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Anonymous wrote:Maybe teachers should direct their irritation about compensatory services toward their leadership? Parents didn’t make the directive that they didn’t have to teach special kids.

I taught special ed kids. Every day during the virtual learning year. This lawsuit even covers the year we were fully back in person. And requires us to spend hours combing through old data and hold second iep meetings for literally every special education student in our building before June. It's almost impossible to get through all the meetings in a regular year but now we have to do it twice. OCR has lost there ever loving minds.

That is nice that you taught special kids when it was your job but many schools took away services. It happened to us. We were fortunate to be able to go to a private tutor- it was expensive but the teacher was fantastic and our child made massive improvements. It was worth it but it was expensive.

I have no expectations that the FCPS compensatory services will be good so we are not doing them but we are submitting our expenses for the time we paid for the private tutor. We probably won’t get paid back but I want someone to see the cost.

Ok: wow- that was really expensive. You really helped your kid by paying all that money. You really love him! A+ for parenting. Bad school. Bad teacher. Bad emergency response. Bad bad scared teachers.

Does that help? What you are saying is you are angry and want acknowledgement because you can’t handle it. You want the teaching profession to pay. We got it. At this point it is like give us the paddling you think all those horrible lazy women teachers deserve and move on with picking up the pieces. The misogyny that is inherent in the lack of respect teachers and nurses are feeling right now is incredible. So abisive. You need to be heard so make women do more work- got it.

Stop. First of all, yes it IS A+ parenting and one that schools and everyone in it should be thankful.
This poster said nothing about "bad teachers" or paddling. But the fact is, lots of parents DID have to PAY to fill that gap. We were happy do so, as well. But don't you dare complain about those parents who did so and picked up where the schools left off. And your screed only gives teachers a bad name.

The “schools should be thankful?” Please. It’s YOUR KID.

My kid that is propping up YOUR numbers for high performing students. It isn't the education being received but the extra work we and others do to fill those gaps. And you know it.

This is such a wild stance to have. IT IS YOUR KID. Yeah, you’re doing way more work than the school for them- as you should. That’s called parenting. This has always been the case. You have a child, you raise the child, you support the child. You fill in the gaps in every aspect their whole life. You are not specifically owed compensation for this, it’s called parenting.

I really hope you are not a SpEd teacher because you really don't seem to understand that public schools have a responsibility under federal law to provide a free and appropriate education to students with disabilities. While lots of parents pay out of pocket when school come up short, they shouldn't have to because they have an obligation under federal law and subsquent case law to not only provide FAPE but also for example to ensure that a student makes "meaningful progress."

The US Dept of Ed was clear on schools responsibilities to SWDs as early as spring of 2020 (my kid suddenly started receiving certain services shortly after spring break after that guidance came out). The OCR resolution found that FCPS was not in compliance with federal law. You can be angry all you like about this but FCPS was not in compliance with the law. And that is not on parents. Sure, Fairfax has been made an example of because lots of schools failed to comply with federal guidance under IDEA during the pandemic. But given the latest OCR findings on the VDOE and their poor statewide guidance, I won't be surprised if there are more ramifications in other districts. OCR was pretty explicit they are taking a look at places beyond Fairfax, as they should.

FAPE doesn’t mean you get everything you need to make your kid the most successful they could possibly be. Public school doesn’t mean that for any kid! FAPE means barriers to entry are removed and children are given support so they can make progress, not the most progress possible. For every kid in the history of all school, that has required extra outside of school.

Didn't suggest that FAPE did. IDEA does not require best practices. But parent after parent after parent has experienced that services are cut (remember everyone's hours getting cut during the pandemic not based on need - if you don't, see the OCR inestigation into FCPS for a refresher), interventions may not be appropriate to a kids needs (talk to loads of parents of dyslexic kids), progress reports are squishy and almost always suggest kids are making progress even when school's own data suggests otherwise. Parents often turn to outside tutors not to get the best for their kids but because the school is not meeting its responsibilities under IDEA. And that is exactly what the resolution against FCPS specifically and now VDOE more broadly get too. I'm here for it.

DP, I don’t think anybody here saying that students with IEP’s received the services that they need it over those months, but I also don’t know how students were going to receive those services when practically, the whole country was closed down (March to June 2020). But parents also need to be realistic that they are probably not going to get the outcome from this that they think they are.

Most students with IEPs weren't receiving the services they needed before Covid started. However it became apparent that the services parents were paying for outside of school were not interrupted like school was. Our OG tutor went immediately online and never missed a session. (because this was her job and she relies on the hourly rate).

So you expected the same services from FCPS as a woman that you pay and relies on your payment for her livelihood?

Yes. Schools get paid right?

Yes, I expected schools to be able to continue to offer whatever they were offering before but it took over a year for things to return to "almost" normal.

Teachers are still waiting for parents to get back to normal parenting....still waiting.

I never gave up parenting. I just had to deal with schools and teachers deciding they were to precious to work when the rest of us had to.

Teachers didn't make that decision.

They certainly were not saying they wanted to come back to the classroom. Many were advocating to stay at home as long as possible.

+1 yep. Our school gave families a choice to be virtual or in person. After seeing the numbers, they basically made one class per grade level in person, and the rest stayed virtual. The school allowed by seniority teachers to remain 100% virtual, even though we were promised concurrent teaching. My child would have had to switch teachers in order to go back in person, so they chose virtual to be consistent. It sucked.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe teachers should direct their irritation about compensatory services toward their leadership? Parents didn’t make the directive that they didn’t have to teach special kids.

I taught special ed kids. Every day during the virtual learning year. This lawsuit even covers the year we were fully back in person. And requires us to spend hours combing through old data and hold second iep meetings for literally every special education student in our building before June. It's almost impossible to get through all the meetings in a regular year but now we have to do it twice. OCR has lost there ever loving minds.

That is nice that you taught special kids when it was your job but many schools took away services. It happened to us. We were fortunate to be able to go to a private tutor- it was expensive but the teacher was fantastic and our child made massive improvements. It was worth it but it was expensive.

I have no expectations that the FCPS compensatory services will be good so we are not doing them but we are submitting our expenses for the time we paid for the private tutor. We probably won’t get paid back but I want someone to see the cost.

Ok: wow- that was really expensive. You really helped your kid by paying all that money. You really love him! A+ for parenting. Bad school. Bad teacher. Bad emergency response. Bad bad scared teachers.

Does that help? What you are saying is you are angry and want acknowledgement because you can’t handle it. You want the teaching profession to pay. We got it. At this point it is like give us the paddling you think all those horrible lazy women teachers deserve and move on with picking up the pieces. The misogyny that is inherent in the lack of respect teachers and nurses are feeling right now is incredible. So abisive. You need to be heard so make women do more work- got it.

Stop. First of all, yes it IS A+ parenting and one that schools and everyone in it should be thankful.
This poster said nothing about "bad teachers" or paddling. But the fact is, lots of parents DID have to PAY to fill that gap. We were happy do so, as well. But don't you dare complain about those parents who did so and picked up where the schools left off. And your screed only gives teachers a bad name.

The “schools should be thankful?” Please. It’s YOUR KID.

My kid that is propping up YOUR numbers for high performing students. It isn't the education being received but the extra work we and others do to fill those gaps. And you know it.

This is such a wild stance to have. IT IS YOUR KID. Yeah, you’re doing way more work than the school for them- as you should. That’s called parenting. This has always been the case. You have a child, you raise the child, you support the child. You fill in the gaps in every aspect their whole life. You are not specifically owed compensation for this, it’s called parenting.

I really hope you are not a SpEd teacher because you really don't seem to understand that public schools have a responsibility under federal law to provide a free and appropriate education to students with disabilities. While lots of parents pay out of pocket when school come up short, they shouldn't have to because they have an obligation under federal law and subsquent case law to not only provide FAPE but also for example to ensure that a student makes "meaningful progress."

The US Dept of Ed was clear on schools responsibilities to SWDs as early as spring of 2020 (my kid suddenly started receiving certain services shortly after spring break after that guidance came out). The OCR resolution found that FCPS was not in compliance with federal law. You can be angry all you like about this but FCPS was not in compliance with the law. And that is not on parents. Sure, Fairfax has been made an example of because lots of schools failed to comply with federal guidance under IDEA during the pandemic. But given the latest OCR findings on the VDOE and their poor statewide guidance, I won't be surprised if there are more ramifications in other districts. OCR was pretty explicit they are taking a look at places beyond Fairfax, as they should.

FAPE doesn’t mean you get everything you need to make your kid the most successful they could possibly be. Public school doesn’t mean that for any kid! FAPE means barriers to entry are removed and children are given support so they can make progress, not the most progress possible. For every kid in the history of all school, that has required extra outside of school.

Didn't suggest that FAPE did. IDEA does not require best practices. But parent after parent after parent has experienced that services are cut (remember everyone's hours getting cut during the pandemic not based on need - if you don't, see the OCR inestigation into FCPS for a refresher), interventions may not be appropriate to a kids needs (talk to loads of parents of dyslexic kids), progress reports are squishy and almost always suggest kids are making progress even when school's own data suggests otherwise. Parents often turn to outside tutors not to get the best for their kids but because the school is not meeting its responsibilities under IDEA. And that is exactly what the resolution against FCPS specifically and now VDOE more broadly get too. I'm here for it.

DP, I don’t think anybody here saying that students with IEP’s received the services that they need it over those months, but I also don’t know how students were going to receive those services when practically, the whole country was closed down (March to June 2020). But parents also need to be realistic that they are probably not going to get the outcome from this that they think they are.

Most students with IEPs weren't receiving the services they needed before Covid started. However it became apparent that the services parents were paying for outside of school were not interrupted like school was. Our OG tutor went immediately online and never missed a session. (because this was her job and she relies on the hourly rate).

So you expected the same services from FCPS as a woman that you pay and relies on your payment for her livelihood?

Yes. Schools get paid right?

Yes, I expected schools to be able to continue to offer whatever they were offering before but it took over a year for things to return to "almost" normal.

Teachers are still waiting for parents to get back to normal parenting....still waiting.

I never gave up parenting. I just had to deal with schools and teachers deciding they were to precious to work when the rest of us had to.

Teachers didn't make that decision.

They certainly were not saying they wanted to come back to the classroom. Many were advocating to stay at home as long as possible.

+1 yep. Our school gave families a choice to be virtual or in person. After seeing the numbers, they basically made one class per grade level in person, and the rest stayed virtual. The school allowed by seniority teachers to remain 100% virtual, even though we were promised concurrent teaching. My child would have had to switch teachers in order to go back in person, so they chose virtual to be consistent. It sucked.

But, again, that was explained to the families multiple times when you chose between in person and virtual. If you chose virtual, then you were staying virtual for the year.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe teachers should direct their irritation about compensatory services toward their leadership? Parents didn’t make the directive that they didn’t have to teach special kids.

I taught special ed kids. Every day during the virtual learning year. This lawsuit even covers the year we were fully back in person. And requires us to spend hours combing through old data and hold second iep meetings for literally every special education student in our building before June. It's almost impossible to get through all the meetings in a regular year but now we have to do it twice. OCR has lost there ever loving minds.

That is nice that you taught special kids when it was your job but many schools took away services. It happened to us. We were fortunate to be able to go to a private tutor- it was expensive but the teacher was fantastic and our child made massive improvements. It was worth it but it was expensive.

I have no expectations that the FCPS compensatory services will be good so we are not doing them but we are submitting our expenses for the time we paid for the private tutor. We probably won’t get paid back but I want someone to see the cost.

Ok: wow- that was really expensive. You really helped your kid by paying all that money. You really love him! A+ for parenting. Bad school. Bad teacher. Bad emergency response. Bad bad scared teachers.

Does that help? What you are saying is you are angry and want acknowledgement because you can’t handle it. You want the teaching profession to pay. We got it. At this point it is like give us the paddling you think all those horrible lazy women teachers deserve and move on with picking up the pieces. The misogyny that is inherent in the lack of respect teachers and nurses are feeling right now is incredible. So abisive. You need to be heard so make women do more work- got it.

Stop. First of all, yes it IS A+ parenting and one that schools and everyone in it should be thankful.
This poster said nothing about "bad teachers" or paddling. But the fact is, lots of parents DID have to PAY to fill that gap. We were happy do so, as well. But don't you dare complain about those parents who did so and picked up where the schools left off. And your screed only gives teachers a bad name.

The “schools should be thankful?” Please. It’s YOUR KID.

My kid that is propping up YOUR numbers for high performing students. It isn't the education being received but the extra work we and others do to fill those gaps. And you know it.

This is such a wild stance to have. IT IS YOUR KID. Yeah, you’re doing way more work than the school for them- as you should. That’s called parenting. This has always been the case. You have a child, you raise the child, you support the child. You fill in the gaps in every aspect their whole life. You are not specifically owed compensation for this, it’s called parenting.

I really hope you are not a SpEd teacher because you really don't seem to understand that public schools have a responsibility under federal law to provide a free and appropriate education to students with disabilities. While lots of parents pay out of pocket when school come up short, they shouldn't have to because they have an obligation under federal law and subsquent case law to not only provide FAPE but also for example to ensure that a student makes "meaningful progress."

The US Dept of Ed was clear on schools responsibilities to SWDs as early as spring of 2020 (my kid suddenly started receiving certain services shortly after spring break after that guidance came out). The OCR resolution found that FCPS was not in compliance with federal law. You can be angry all you like about this but FCPS was not in compliance with the law. And that is not on parents. Sure, Fairfax has been made an example of because lots of schools failed to comply with federal guidance under IDEA during the pandemic. But given the latest OCR findings on the VDOE and their poor statewide guidance, I won't be surprised if there are more ramifications in other districts. OCR was pretty explicit they are taking a look at places beyond Fairfax, as they should.

FAPE doesn’t mean you get everything you need to make your kid the most successful they could possibly be. Public school doesn’t mean that for any kid! FAPE means barriers to entry are removed and children are given support so they can make progress, not the most progress possible. For every kid in the history of all school, that has required extra outside of school.

Didn't suggest that FAPE did. IDEA does not require best practices. But parent after parent after parent has experienced that services are cut (remember everyone's hours getting cut during the pandemic not based on need - if you don't, see the OCR inestigation into FCPS for a refresher), interventions may not be appropriate to a kids needs (talk to loads of parents of dyslexic kids), progress reports are squishy and almost always suggest kids are making progress even when school's own data suggests otherwise. Parents often turn to outside tutors not to get the best for their kids but because the school is not meeting its responsibilities under IDEA. And that is exactly what the resolution against FCPS specifically and now VDOE more broadly get too. I'm here for it.

DP, I don’t think anybody here saying that students with IEP’s received the services that they need it over those months, but I also don’t know how students were going to receive those services when practically, the whole country was closed down (March to June 2020). But parents also need to be realistic that they are probably not going to get the outcome from this that they think they are.

Tell me you haven’t read the resolution agreements without telling me you haven’t read the resolution agreements…

Exactly, nothing was stoping teachers from coming in and doing their jobs

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe teachers should direct their irritation about compensatory services toward their leadership? Parents didn’t make the directive that they didn’t have to teach special kids.

I taught special ed kids. Every day during the virtual learning year. This lawsuit even covers the year we were fully back in person. And requires us to spend hours combing through old data and hold second iep meetings for literally every special education student in our building before June. It's almost impossible to get through all the meetings in a regular year but now we have to do it twice. OCR has lost there ever loving minds.

That is nice that you taught special kids when it was your job but many schools took away services. It happened to us. We were fortunate to be able to go to a private tutor- it was expensive but the teacher was fantastic and our child made massive improvements. It was worth it but it was expensive.

I have no expectations that the FCPS compensatory services will be good so we are not doing them but we are submitting our expenses for the time we paid for the private tutor. We probably won’t get paid back but I want someone to see the cost.

Ok: wow- that was really expensive. You really helped your kid by paying all that money. You really love him! A+ for parenting. Bad school. Bad teacher. Bad emergency response. Bad bad scared teachers.

Does that help? What you are saying is you are angry and want acknowledgement because you can’t handle it. You want the teaching profession to pay. We got it. At this point it is like give us the paddling you think all those horrible lazy women teachers deserve and move on with picking up the pieces. The misogyny that is inherent in the lack of respect teachers and nurses are feeling right now is incredible. So abisive. You need to be heard so make women do more work- got it.

Stop. First of all, yes it IS A+ parenting and one that schools and everyone in it should be thankful.
This poster said nothing about "bad teachers" or paddling. But the fact is, lots of parents DID have to PAY to fill that gap. We were happy do so, as well. But don't you dare complain about those parents who did so and picked up where the schools left off. And your screed only gives teachers a bad name.

The “schools should be thankful?” Please. It’s YOUR KID.

My kid that is propping up YOUR numbers for high performing students. It isn't the education being received but the extra work we and others do to fill those gaps. And you know it.

This is such a wild stance to have. IT IS YOUR KID. Yeah, you’re doing way more work than the school for them- as you should. That’s called parenting. This has always been the case. You have a child, you raise the child, you support the child. You fill in the gaps in every aspect their whole life. You are not specifically owed compensation for this, it’s called parenting.

I really hope you are not a SpEd teacher because you really don't seem to understand that public schools have a responsibility under federal law to provide a free and appropriate education to students with disabilities. While lots of parents pay out of pocket when school come up short, they shouldn't have to because they have an obligation under federal law and subsquent case law to not only provide FAPE but also for example to ensure that a student makes "meaningful progress."

The US Dept of Ed was clear on schools responsibilities to SWDs as early as spring of 2020 (my kid suddenly started receiving certain services shortly after spring break after that guidance came out). The OCR resolution found that FCPS was not in compliance with federal law. You can be angry all you like about this but FCPS was not in compliance with the law. And that is not on parents. Sure, Fairfax has been made an example of because lots of schools failed to comply with federal guidance under IDEA during the pandemic. But given the latest OCR findings on the VDOE and their poor statewide guidance, I won't be surprised if there are more ramifications in other districts. OCR was pretty explicit they are taking a look at places beyond Fairfax, as they should.

FAPE doesn’t mean you get everything you need to make your kid the most successful they could possibly be. Public school doesn’t mean that for any kid! FAPE means barriers to entry are removed and children are given support so they can make progress, not the most progress possible. For every kid in the history of all school, that has required extra outside of school.

Didn't suggest that FAPE did. IDEA does not require best practices. But parent after parent after parent has experienced that services are cut (remember everyone's hours getting cut during the pandemic not based on need - if you don't, see the OCR inestigation into FCPS for a refresher), interventions may not be appropriate to a kids needs (talk to loads of parents of dyslexic kids), progress reports are squishy and almost always suggest kids are making progress even when school's own data suggests otherwise. Parents often turn to outside tutors not to get the best for their kids but because the school is not meeting its responsibilities under IDEA. And that is exactly what the resolution against FCPS specifically and now VDOE more broadly get too. I'm here for it.

DP, I don’t think anybody here saying that students with IEP’s received the services that they need it over those months, but I also don’t know how students were going to receive those services when practically, the whole country was closed down (March to June 2020). But parents also need to be realistic that they are probably not going to get the outcome from this that they think they are.

Tell me you haven’t read the resolution agreements without telling me you haven’t read the resolution agreements…

Exactly, nothing was stoping teachers from coming in and doing their jobs

Except the fact that my building was closed and I wasn't allowed in.

And when we did come back, my students CHOSE to remain virtual.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe teachers should direct their irritation about compensatory services toward their leadership? Parents didn’t make the directive that they didn’t have to teach special kids.

I taught special ed kids. Every day during the virtual learning year. This lawsuit even covers the year we were fully back in person. And requires us to spend hours combing through old data and hold second iep meetings for literally every special education student in our building before June. It's almost impossible to get through all the meetings in a regular year but now we have to do it twice. OCR has lost there ever loving minds.

That is nice that you taught special kids when it was your job but many schools took away services. It happened to us. We were fortunate to be able to go to a private tutor- it was expensive but the teacher was fantastic and our child made massive improvements. It was worth it but it was expensive.

I have no expectations that the FCPS compensatory services will be good so we are not doing them but we are submitting our expenses for the time we paid for the private tutor. We probably won’t get paid back but I want someone to see the cost.

Ok: wow- that was really expensive. You really helped your kid by paying all that money. You really love him! A+ for parenting. Bad school. Bad teacher. Bad emergency response. Bad bad scared teachers.

Does that help? What you are saying is you are angry and want acknowledgement because you can’t handle it. You want the teaching profession to pay. We got it. At this point it is like give us the paddling you think all those horrible lazy women teachers deserve and move on with picking up the pieces. The misogyny that is inherent in the lack of respect teachers and nurses are feeling right now is incredible. So abisive. You need to be heard so make women do more work- got it.

Stop. First of all, yes it IS A+ parenting and one that schools and everyone in it should be thankful.
This poster said nothing about "bad teachers" or paddling. But the fact is, lots of parents DID have to PAY to fill that gap. We were happy do so, as well. But don't you dare complain about those parents who did so and picked up where the schools left off. And your screed only gives teachers a bad name.

The “schools should be thankful?” Please. It’s YOUR KID.

My kid that is propping up YOUR numbers for high performing students. It isn't the education being received but the extra work we and others do to fill those gaps. And you know it.

This is such a wild stance to have. IT IS YOUR KID. Yeah, you’re doing way more work than the school for them- as you should. That’s called parenting. This has always been the case. You have a child, you raise the child, you support the child. You fill in the gaps in every aspect their whole life. You are not specifically owed compensation for this, it’s called parenting.

I really hope you are not a SpEd teacher because you really don't seem to understand that public schools have a responsibility under federal law to provide a free and appropriate education to students with disabilities. While lots of parents pay out of pocket when school come up short, they shouldn't have to because they have an obligation under federal law and subsquent case law to not only provide FAPE but also for example to ensure that a student makes "meaningful progress."

The US Dept of Ed was clear on schools responsibilities to SWDs as early as spring of 2020 (my kid suddenly started receiving certain services shortly after spring break after that guidance came out). The OCR resolution found that FCPS was not in compliance with federal law. You can be angry all you like about this but FCPS was not in compliance with the law. And that is not on parents. Sure, Fairfax has been made an example of because lots of schools failed to comply with federal guidance under IDEA during the pandemic. But given the latest OCR findings on the VDOE and their poor statewide guidance, I won't be surprised if there are more ramifications in other districts. OCR was pretty explicit they are taking a look at places beyond Fairfax, as they should.

FAPE doesn’t mean you get everything you need to make your kid the most successful they could possibly be. Public school doesn’t mean that for any kid! FAPE means barriers to entry are removed and children are given support so they can make progress, not the most progress possible. For every kid in the history of all school, that has required extra outside of school.

Didn't suggest that FAPE did. IDEA does not require best practices. But parent after parent after parent has experienced that services are cut (remember everyone's hours getting cut during the pandemic not based on need - if you don't, see the OCR inestigation into FCPS for a refresher), interventions may not be appropriate to a kids needs (talk to loads of parents of dyslexic kids), progress reports are squishy and almost always suggest kids are making progress even when school's own data suggests otherwise. Parents often turn to outside tutors not to get the best for their kids but because the school is not meeting its responsibilities under IDEA. And that is exactly what the resolution against FCPS specifically and now VDOE more broadly get too. I'm here for it.

DP, I don’t think anybody here saying that students with IEP’s received the services that they need it over those months, but I also don’t know how students were going to receive those services when practically, the whole country was closed down (March to June 2020). But parents also need to be realistic that they are probably not going to get the outcome from this that they think they are.

Most students with IEPs weren't receiving the services they needed before Covid started. However it became apparent that the services parents were paying for outside of school were not interrupted like school was. Our OG tutor went immediately online and never missed a session. (because this was her job and she relies on the hourly rate).

So you expected the same services from FCPS as a woman that you pay and relies on your payment for her livelihood?

Yes. Schools get paid right?

Yes, I expected schools to be able to continue to offer whatever they were offering before but it took over a year for things to return to "almost" normal.

Teachers are still waiting for parents to get back to normal parenting....still waiting.

I never gave up parenting. I just had to deal with schools and teachers deciding they were to precious to work when the rest of us had to.

Teachers didn't make that decision.

They certainly were not saying they wanted to come back to the classroom. Many were advocating to stay at home as long as possible.

Many of us said we’d teach in person when surveyed during the summer of 2020. There were many teachers in my building teaching virtually from the classroom that fall. Every teacher I spoke to during that time wanted the students to come back into the school. We all hated teaching virtually.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe teachers should direct their irritation about compensatory services toward their leadership? Parents didn’t make the directive that they didn’t have to teach special kids.

I taught special ed kids. Every day during the virtual learning year. This lawsuit even covers the year we were fully back in person. And requires us to spend hours combing through old data and hold second iep meetings for literally every special education student in our building before June. It's almost impossible to get through all the meetings in a regular year but now we have to do it twice. OCR has lost there ever loving minds.

That is nice that you taught special kids when it was your job but many schools took away services. It happened to us. We were fortunate to be able to go to a private tutor- it was expensive but the teacher was fantastic and our child made massive improvements. It was worth it but it was expensive.

I have no expectations that the FCPS compensatory services will be good so we are not doing them but we are submitting our expenses for the time we paid for the private tutor. We probably won’t get paid back but I want someone to see the cost.

Ok: wow- that was really expensive. You really helped your kid by paying all that money. You really love him! A+ for parenting. Bad school. Bad teacher. Bad emergency response. Bad bad scared teachers.

Does that help? What you are saying is you are angry and want acknowledgement because you can’t handle it. You want the teaching profession to pay. We got it. At this point it is like give us the paddling you think all those horrible lazy women teachers deserve and move on with picking up the pieces. The misogyny that is inherent in the lack of respect teachers and nurses are feeling right now is incredible. So abisive. You need to be heard so make women do more work- got it.

Stop. First of all, yes it IS A+ parenting and one that schools and everyone in it should be thankful.
This poster said nothing about "bad teachers" or paddling. But the fact is, lots of parents DID have to PAY to fill that gap. We were happy do so, as well. But don't you dare complain about those parents who did so and picked up where the schools left off. And your screed only gives teachers a bad name.

The “schools should be thankful?” Please. It’s YOUR KID.

My kid that is propping up YOUR numbers for high performing students. It isn't the education being received but the extra work we and others do to fill those gaps. And you know it.

This is such a wild stance to have. IT IS YOUR KID. Yeah, you’re doing way more work than the school for them- as you should. That’s called parenting. This has always been the case. You have a child, you raise the child, you support the child. You fill in the gaps in every aspect their whole life. You are not specifically owed compensation for this, it’s called parenting.

I really hope you are not a SpEd teacher because you really don't seem to understand that public schools have a responsibility under federal law to provide a free and appropriate education to students with disabilities. While lots of parents pay out of pocket when school come up short, they shouldn't have to because they have an obligation under federal law and subsquent case law to not only provide FAPE but also for example to ensure that a student makes "meaningful progress."

The US Dept of Ed was clear on schools responsibilities to SWDs as early as spring of 2020 (my kid suddenly started receiving certain services shortly after spring break after that guidance came out). The OCR resolution found that FCPS was not in compliance with federal law. You can be angry all you like about this but FCPS was not in compliance with the law. And that is not on parents. Sure, Fairfax has been made an example of because lots of schools failed to comply with federal guidance under IDEA during the pandemic. But given the latest OCR findings on the VDOE and their poor statewide guidance, I won't be surprised if there are more ramifications in other districts. OCR was pretty explicit they are taking a look at places beyond Fairfax, as they should.

FAPE doesn’t mean you get everything you need to make your kid the most successful they could possibly be. Public school doesn’t mean that for any kid! FAPE means barriers to entry are removed and children are given support so they can make progress, not the most progress possible. For every kid in the history of all school, that has required extra outside of school.

Didn't suggest that FAPE did. IDEA does not require best practices. But parent after parent after parent has experienced that services are cut (remember everyone's hours getting cut during the pandemic not based on need - if you don't, see the OCR inestigation into FCPS for a refresher), interventions may not be appropriate to a kids needs (talk to loads of parents of dyslexic kids), progress reports are squishy and almost always suggest kids are making progress even when school's own data suggests otherwise. Parents often turn to outside tutors not to get the best for their kids but because the school is not meeting its responsibilities under IDEA. And that is exactly what the resolution against FCPS specifically and now VDOE more broadly get too. I'm here for it.

DP, I don’t think anybody here saying that students with IEP’s received the services that they need it over those months, but I also don’t know how students were going to receive those services when practically, the whole country was closed down (March to June 2020). But parents also need to be realistic that they are probably not going to get the outcome from this that they think they are.

Most students with IEPs weren't receiving the services they needed before Covid started. However it became apparent that the services parents were paying for outside of school were not interrupted like school was. Our OG tutor went immediately online and never missed a session. (because this was her job and she relies on the hourly rate).

So you expected the same services from FCPS as a woman that you pay and relies on your payment for her livelihood?

Yes. Schools get paid right?

Yes, I expected schools to be able to continue to offer whatever they were offering before but it took over a year for things to return to "almost" normal.

Teachers are still waiting for parents to get back to normal parenting....still waiting.

I never gave up parenting. I just had to deal with schools and teachers deciding they were to precious to work when the rest of us had to.

Teachers didn't make that decision.

My child's teacher didn't come back to school. She was taking vacations frequently all year though. They had a monitor and had to all be in headphones on their laptops all day once schools finally opened.
Oh, but guess what? She came back in person in the summer in person for summer school for extra pay.

My child’s teacher moved out of the county during the virtual year (2 hours away). Since she got the be the virtual teacher, nothing changed. She still continued teaching virtually from her new home.

Plenty of students moved during the pandemic. We had one student in my child’s class who was in another country the entire school year. FCPS didn’t care.

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Anonymous wrote:We heard at our IEP meeting that evening and weekend compensatory hours were available from non-FCPS teachers. No one is making teachers do this work.

Not true in all cases. For my DC, it is his SPED teacher doing it. I turned them down because it would either be before/after school or Saturdays. None of them seemed like good options. The days are long enough and my DC needs a break on weekends.

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Anonymous wrote:We heard at our IEP meeting that evening and weekend compensatory hours were available from non-FCPS teachers. No one is making teachers do this work.

Not true in all cases. For my DC, it is his SPED teacher doing it. I turned them down because it would either be before/after school or Saturdays. None of them seemed like good options. The days are long enough and my DC needs a break on weekends.

Caseload managers don't have to do the actual compensatory services instruction part but they are doing time intensive data work and holding meetings during their planning times. Enough with your no one is making SPED teachers do things they are.

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Anonymous wrote:We heard at our IEP meeting that evening and weekend compensatory hours were available from non-FCPS teachers. No one is making teachers do this work.

Not true in all cases. For my DC, it is his SPED teacher doing it. I turned them down because it would either be before/after school or Saturdays. None of them seemed like good options. The days are long enough and my DC needs a break on weekends.

...when did you think "additional instruction" was going to happen? They aren't going to take away Johnny's reading services time in school to provide compensatory reading services. It's in addition to what he's already getting.

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Anonymous wrote:We heard at our IEP meeting that evening and weekend compensatory hours were available from non-FCPS teachers. No one is making teachers do this work.

Not true in all cases. For my DC, it is his SPED teacher doing it. I turned them down because it would either be before/after school or Saturdays. None of them seemed like good options. The days are long enough and my DC needs a break on weekends.

...when did you think "additional instruction" was going to happen? They aren't going to take away Johnny's reading services time in school to provide compensatory reading services. It's in addition to what he's already getting.

I wasn't expecting them to be done in school at all. I already knew this when I went to the meeting and declined the extra time. It wouldn't have been a great benefit to my child. I expect for other people, it will be a benefit and I'm happy that the services are being offered. And the other person that commented about SPED teachers not doing the instruction...I don't know the ins and outs of the logistics, but why would my son's teacher would lie to me when talking about already spending time with some other classmates after school? Maybe there is leeway on implementation?

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We had our meeting last week. The compensatory hours offered are miniscule and would happen over the summer based on staff actually applying to work during that time. Hopefully it is better and more meaningful than Recovery Services were. (Such a joke.) I don’t need childcare—I always pay for camps—but starting services at 10am (or an even more inconvenient time 11am? 1pm?) will just show me they were hoping parents bailed due to inconvenience (Aja needing to keep their jobs) and they can check the box that they were offered.

Trying not to be so jaded, but old habits die hard.

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Anonymous wrote:We had our meeting last week. The compensatory hours offered are miniscule and would happen over the summer based on staff actually applying to work during that time. Hopefully it is better and more meaningful than Recovery Services were. (Such a joke.) I don’t need childcare—I always pay for camps—but starting services at 10am (or an even more inconvenient time 11am? 1pm?) will just show me they were hoping parents bailed due to inconvenience (Aja needing to keep their jobs) and they can check the box that they were offered.

Trying not to be so jaded, but old habits die hard.

Teachers are feeling jaded too and taken advantage of. I don't know many teachers willing to raise their hand for this. Good luck!

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Anonymous wrote:We had our meeting last week. The compensatory hours offered are miniscule and would happen over the summer based on staff actually applying to work during that time. Hopefully it is better and more meaningful than Recovery Services were. (Such a joke.) I don’t need childcare—I always pay for camps—but starting services at 10am (or an even more inconvenient time 11am? 1pm?) will just show me they were hoping parents bailed due to inconvenience (Aja needing to keep their jobs) and they can check the box that they were offered.

Trying not to be so jaded, but old habits die hard.

Teachers are feeling jaded too and taken advantage of. I don't know many teachers willing to raise their hand for this. Good luck!

In all seriousness. What did teachers think would happen when they were given a pass on fulfilling taxpayer-funded job duties? The services are called compensatory because they are meant to COMPENSATE for all the services kids didn't get.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe teachers should direct their irritation about compensatory services toward their leadership? Parents didn’t make the directive that they didn’t have to teach special kids.

I taught special ed kids. Every day during the virtual learning year. This lawsuit even covers the year we were fully back in person. And requires us to spend hours combing through old data and hold second iep meetings for literally every special education student in our building before June. It's almost impossible to get through all the meetings in a regular year but now we have to do it twice. OCR has lost there ever loving minds.

That is nice that you taught special kids when it was your job but many schools took away services. It happened to us. We were fortunate to be able to go to a private tutor- it was expensive but the teacher was fantastic and our child made massive improvements. It was worth it but it was expensive.

I have no expectations that the FCPS compensatory services will be good so we are not doing them but we are submitting our expenses for the time we paid for the private tutor. We probably won’t get paid back but I want someone to see the cost.

Ok: wow- that was really expensive. You really helped your kid by paying all that money. You really love him! A+ for parenting. Bad school. Bad teacher. Bad emergency response. Bad bad scared teachers.

Does that help? What you are saying is you are angry and want acknowledgement because you can’t handle it. You want the teaching profession to pay. We got it. At this point it is like give us the paddling you think all those horrible lazy women teachers deserve and move on with picking up the pieces. The misogyny that is inherent in the lack of respect teachers and nurses are feeling right now is incredible. So abisive. You need to be heard so make women do more work- got it.

Stop. First of all, yes it IS A+ parenting and one that schools and everyone in it should be thankful.
This poster said nothing about "bad teachers" or paddling. But the fact is, lots of parents DID have to PAY to fill that gap. We were happy do so, as well. But don't you dare complain about those parents who did so and picked up where the schools left off. And your screed only gives teachers a bad name.

The “schools should be thankful?” Please. It’s YOUR KID.

My kid that is propping up YOUR numbers for high performing students. It isn't the education being received but the extra work we and others do to fill those gaps. And you know it.

This is such a wild stance to have. IT IS YOUR KID. Yeah, you’re doing way more work than the school for them- as you should. That’s called parenting. This has always been the case. You have a child, you raise the child, you support the child. You fill in the gaps in every aspect their whole life. You are not specifically owed compensation for this, it’s called parenting.

I really hope you are not a SpEd teacher because you really don't seem to understand that public schools have a responsibility under federal law to provide a free and appropriate education to students with disabilities. While lots of parents pay out of pocket when school come up short, they shouldn't have to because they have an obligation under federal law and subsquent case law to not only provide FAPE but also for example to ensure that a student makes "meaningful progress."

The US Dept of Ed was clear on schools responsibilities to SWDs as early as spring of 2020 (my kid suddenly started receiving certain services shortly after spring break after that guidance came out). The OCR resolution found that FCPS was not in compliance with federal law. You can be angry all you like about this but FCPS was not in compliance with the law. And that is not on parents. Sure, Fairfax has been made an example of because lots of schools failed to comply with federal guidance under IDEA during the pandemic. But given the latest OCR findings on the VDOE and their poor statewide guidance, I won't be surprised if there are more ramifications in other districts. OCR was pretty explicit they are taking a look at places beyond Fairfax, as they should.

FAPE doesn’t mean you get everything you need to make your kid the most successful they could possibly be. Public school doesn’t mean that for any kid! FAPE means barriers to entry are removed and children are given support so they can make progress, not the most progress possible. For every kid in the history of all school, that has required extra outside of school.

Didn't suggest that FAPE did. IDEA does not require best practices. But parent after parent after parent has experienced that services are cut (remember everyone's hours getting cut during the pandemic not based on need - if you don't, see the OCR inestigation into FCPS for a refresher), interventions may not be appropriate to a kids needs (talk to loads of parents of dyslexic kids), progress reports are squishy and almost always suggest kids are making progress even when school's own data suggests otherwise. Parents often turn to outside tutors not to get the best for their kids but because the school is not meeting its responsibilities under IDEA. And that is exactly what the resolution against FCPS specifically and now VDOE more broadly get too. I'm here for it.

DP, I don’t think anybody here saying that students with IEP’s received the services that they need it over those months, but I also don’t know how students were going to receive those services when practically, the whole country was closed down (March to June 2020). But parents also need to be realistic that they are probably not going to get the outcome from this that they think they are.

Most students with IEPs weren't receiving the services they needed before Covid started. However it became apparent that the services parents were paying for outside of school were not interrupted like school was. Our OG tutor went immediately online and never missed a session. (because this was her job and she relies on the hourly rate).

So you expected the same services from FCPS as a woman that you pay and relies on your payment for her livelihood?

Yes. Schools get paid right?

Yes, I expected schools to be able to continue to offer whatever they were offering before but it took over a year for things to return to "almost" normal.

Teachers are still waiting for parents to get back to normal parenting....still waiting.

I never gave up parenting. I just had to deal with schools and teachers deciding they were to precious to work when the rest of us had to.

Teachers didn't make that decision.

They certainly were not saying they wanted to come back to the classroom. Many were advocating to stay at home as long as possible.

Many of us said we’d teach in person when surveyed during the summer of 2020. There were many teachers in my building teaching virtually from the classroom that fall. Every teacher I spoke to during that time wanted the students to come back into the school. We all hated teaching virtually.

Not many of you. 1/3 said you would work in person, which led to the giant mismatch when 2/3 of parents wanted their kids in-person....and thus it all got shut down for the first 3 quarters of the 20/21 school year.

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Anonymous wrote:We had our meeting last week. The compensatory hours offered are miniscule and would happen over the summer based on staff actually applying to work during that time. Hopefully it is better and more meaningful than Recovery Services were. (Such a joke.) I don’t need childcare—I always pay for camps—but starting services at 10am (or an even more inconvenient time 11am? 1pm?) will just show me they were hoping parents bailed due to inconvenience (Aja needing to keep their jobs) and they can check the box that they were offered.

Trying not to be so jaded, but old habits die hard.

Teachers are feeling jaded too and taken advantage of. I don't know many teachers willing to raise their hand for this. Good luck!

In all seriousness. What did teachers think would happen when they were given a pass on fulfilling taxpayer-funded job duties? The services are called compensatory because they are meant to COMPENSATE for all the services kids didn't get.

Teachers didn’t have a choice. I checked the box saying I wanted to teach in person. I sat at school every day doing a song and dance on the computer. I had kids back in my room the first day they were allowed and then taught awful concurrent for months. And now I’m being punished for a decision someone else made for me.

If gatehouse hired people to do all this additional paperwork and organize the meetings and sit in 6583625 meetings, there’d be no fussing from most staff. But being told “You need to clean up the mess you didn’t make” is just insulting and demoralizing. And they are offering $9 per student for staff doing all the paperwork and conducting the meetings. Many hours of additional work. $9. That’s insulting too.