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Anonymous wrote:Maybe teachers should direct their irritation about compensatory services toward their leadership? Parents didn’t make the directive that they didn’t have to teach special kids.

I taught special ed kids. Every day during the virtual learning year. This lawsuit even covers the year we were fully back in person. And requires us to spend hours combing through old data and hold second iep meetings for literally every special education student in our building before June. It's almost impossible to get through all the meetings in a regular year but now we have to do it twice. OCR has lost there ever loving minds.

That is nice that you taught special kids when it was your job but many schools took away services. It happened to us. We were fortunate to be able to go to a private tutor- it was expensive but the teacher was fantastic and our child made massive improvements. It was worth it but it was expensive.

I have no expectations that the FCPS compensatory services will be good so we are not doing them but we are submitting our expenses for the time we paid for the private tutor. We probably won’t get paid back but I want someone to see the cost.

Ok: wow- that was really expensive. You really helped your kid by paying all that money. You really love him! A+ for parenting. Bad school. Bad teacher. Bad emergency response. Bad bad scared teachers.

Does that help? What you are saying is you are angry and want acknowledgement because you can’t handle it. You want the teaching profession to pay. We got it. At this point it is like give us the paddling you think all those horrible lazy women teachers deserve and move on with picking up the pieces. The misogyny that is inherent in the lack of respect teachers and nurses are feeling right now is incredible. So abisive. You need to be heard so make women do more work- got it.

Stop. First of all, yes it IS A+ parenting and one that schools and everyone in it should be thankful.
This poster said nothing about "bad teachers" or paddling. But the fact is, lots of parents DID have to PAY to fill that gap. We were happy do so, as well. But don't you dare complain about those parents who did so and picked up where the schools left off. And your screed only gives teachers a bad name.

The “schools should be thankful?” Please. It’s YOUR KID.

My kid that is propping up YOUR numbers for high performing students. It isn't the education being received but the extra work we and others do to fill those gaps. And you know it.

This is such a wild stance to have. IT IS YOUR KID. Yeah, you’re doing way more work than the school for them- as you should. That’s called parenting. This has always been the case. You have a child, you raise the child, you support the child. You fill in the gaps in every aspect their whole life. You are not specifically owed compensation for this, it’s called parenting.

I really hope you are not a SpEd teacher because you really don't seem to understand that public schools have a responsibility under federal law to provide a free and appropriate education to students with disabilities. While lots of parents pay out of pocket when school come up short, they shouldn't have to because they have an obligation under federal law and subsquent case law to not only provide FAPE but also for example to ensure that a student makes "meaningful progress."

The US Dept of Ed was clear on schools responsibilities to SWDs as early as spring of 2020 (my kid suddenly started receiving certain services shortly after spring break after that guidance came out). The OCR resolution found that FCPS was not in compliance with federal law. You can be angry all you like about this but FCPS was not in compliance with the law. And that is not on parents. Sure, Fairfax has been made an example of because lots of schools failed to comply with federal guidance under IDEA during the pandemic. But given the latest OCR findings on the VDOE and their poor statewide guidance, I won't be surprised if there are more ramifications in other districts. OCR was pretty explicit they are taking a look at places beyond Fairfax, as they should.

FAPE doesn’t mean you get everything you need to make your kid the most successful they could possibly be. Public school doesn’t mean that for any kid! FAPE means barriers to entry are removed and children are given support so they can make progress, not the most progress possible. For every kid in the history of all school, that has required extra outside of school.

Didn't suggest that FAPE did. IDEA does not require best practices. But parent after parent after parent has experienced that services are cut (remember everyone's hours getting cut during the pandemic not based on need - if you don't, see the OCR inestigation into FCPS for a refresher), interventions may not be appropriate to a kids needs (talk to loads of parents of dyslexic kids), progress reports are squishy and almost always suggest kids are making progress even when school's own data suggests otherwise. Parents often turn to outside tutors not to get the best for their kids but because the school is not meeting its responsibilities under IDEA. And that is exactly what the resolution against FCPS specifically and now VDOE more broadly get too. I'm here for it.

DP, I don’t think anybody here saying that students with IEP’s received the services that they need it over those months, but I also don’t know how students were going to receive those services when practically, the whole country was closed down (March to June 2020). But parents also need to be realistic that they are probably not going to get the outcome from this that they think they are.

Well, it was March to June.
And for seriously disabled kids who qualify for ESY, there was no ESY that summer.
Then it was almost the whole entire next school year with poor or no services.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe teachers should direct their irritation about compensatory services toward their leadership? Parents didn’t make the directive that they didn’t have to teach special kids.

I taught special ed kids. Every day during the virtual learning year. This lawsuit even covers the year we were fully back in person. And requires us to spend hours combing through old data and hold second iep meetings for literally every special education student in our building before June. It's almost impossible to get through all the meetings in a regular year but now we have to do it twice. OCR has lost there ever loving minds.

That is nice that you taught special kids when it was your job but many schools took away services. It happened to us. We were fortunate to be able to go to a private tutor- it was expensive but the teacher was fantastic and our child made massive improvements. It was worth it but it was expensive.

I have no expectations that the FCPS compensatory services will be good so we are not doing them but we are submitting our expenses for the time we paid for the private tutor. We probably won’t get paid back but I want someone to see the cost.

Ok: wow- that was really expensive. You really helped your kid by paying all that money. You really love him! A+ for parenting. Bad school. Bad teacher. Bad emergency response. Bad bad scared teachers.

Does that help? What you are saying is you are angry and want acknowledgement because you can’t handle it. You want the teaching profession to pay. We got it. At this point it is like give us the paddling you think all those horrible lazy women teachers deserve and move on with picking up the pieces. The misogyny that is inherent in the lack of respect teachers and nurses are feeling right now is incredible. So abisive. You need to be heard so make women do more work- got it.

Stop. First of all, yes it IS A+ parenting and one that schools and everyone in it should be thankful.
This poster said nothing about "bad teachers" or paddling. But the fact is, lots of parents DID have to PAY to fill that gap. We were happy do so, as well. But don't you dare complain about those parents who did so and picked up where the schools left off. And your screed only gives teachers a bad name.

The “schools should be thankful?” Please. It’s YOUR KID.

My kid that is propping up YOUR numbers for high performing students. It isn't the education being received but the extra work we and others do to fill those gaps. And you know it.

This is such a wild stance to have. IT IS YOUR KID. Yeah, you’re doing way more work than the school for them- as you should. That’s called parenting. This has always been the case. You have a child, you raise the child, you support the child. You fill in the gaps in every aspect their whole life. You are not specifically owed compensation for this, it’s called parenting.

I really hope you are not a SpEd teacher because you really don't seem to understand that public schools have a responsibility under federal law to provide a free and appropriate education to students with disabilities. While lots of parents pay out of pocket when school come up short, they shouldn't have to because they have an obligation under federal law and subsquent case law to not only provide FAPE but also for example to ensure that a student makes "meaningful progress."

The US Dept of Ed was clear on schools responsibilities to SWDs as early as spring of 2020 (my kid suddenly started receiving certain services shortly after spring break after that guidance came out). The OCR resolution found that FCPS was not in compliance with federal law. You can be angry all you like about this but FCPS was not in compliance with the law. And that is not on parents. Sure, Fairfax has been made an example of because lots of schools failed to comply with federal guidance under IDEA during the pandemic. But given the latest OCR findings on the VDOE and their poor statewide guidance, I won't be surprised if there are more ramifications in other districts. OCR was pretty explicit they are taking a look at places beyond Fairfax, as they should.

FAPE doesn’t mean you get everything you need to make your kid the most successful they could possibly be. Public school doesn’t mean that for any kid! FAPE means barriers to entry are removed and children are given support so they can make progress, not the most progress possible. For every kid in the history of all school, that has required extra outside of school.

Didn't suggest that FAPE did. IDEA does not require best practices. But parent after parent after parent has experienced that services are cut (remember everyone's hours getting cut during the pandemic not based on need - if you don't, see the OCR inestigation into FCPS for a refresher), interventions may not be appropriate to a kids needs (talk to loads of parents of dyslexic kids), progress reports are squishy and almost always suggest kids are making progress even when school's own data suggests otherwise. Parents often turn to outside tutors not to get the best for their kids but because the school is not meeting its responsibilities under IDEA. And that is exactly what the resolution against FCPS specifically and now VDOE more broadly get too. I'm here for it.

DP, I don’t think anybody here saying that students with IEP’s received the services that they need it over those months, but I also don’t know how students were going to receive those services when practically, the whole country was closed down (March to June 2020). But parents also need to be realistic that they are probably not going to get the outcome from this that they think they are.

Most students with IEPs weren't receiving the services they needed before Covid started. However it became apparent that the services parents were paying for outside of school were not interrupted like school was. Our OG tutor went immediately online and never missed a session. (because this was her job and she relies on the hourly rate).

So you expected the same services from FCPS as a woman that you pay and relies on your payment for her livelihood?

Yes. Schools get paid right?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe teachers should direct their irritation about compensatory services toward their leadership? Parents didn’t make the directive that they didn’t have to teach special kids.

I taught special ed kids. Every day during the virtual learning year. This lawsuit even covers the year we were fully back in person. And requires us to spend hours combing through old data and hold second iep meetings for literally every special education student in our building before June. It's almost impossible to get through all the meetings in a regular year but now we have to do it twice. OCR has lost there ever loving minds.

That is nice that you taught special kids when it was your job but many schools took away services. It happened to us. We were fortunate to be able to go to a private tutor- it was expensive but the teacher was fantastic and our child made massive improvements. It was worth it but it was expensive.

I have no expectations that the FCPS compensatory services will be good so we are not doing them but we are submitting our expenses for the time we paid for the private tutor. We probably won’t get paid back but I want someone to see the cost.

Ok: wow- that was really expensive. You really helped your kid by paying all that money. You really love him! A+ for parenting. Bad school. Bad teacher. Bad emergency response. Bad bad scared teachers.

Does that help? What you are saying is you are angry and want acknowledgement because you can’t handle it. You want the teaching profession to pay. We got it. At this point it is like give us the paddling you think all those horrible lazy women teachers deserve and move on with picking up the pieces. The misogyny that is inherent in the lack of respect teachers and nurses are feeling right now is incredible. So abisive. You need to be heard so make women do more work- got it.

Stop. First of all, yes it IS A+ parenting and one that schools and everyone in it should be thankful.
This poster said nothing about "bad teachers" or paddling. But the fact is, lots of parents DID have to PAY to fill that gap. We were happy do so, as well. But don't you dare complain about those parents who did so and picked up where the schools left off. And your screed only gives teachers a bad name.

The “schools should be thankful?” Please. It’s YOUR KID.

My kid that is propping up YOUR numbers for high performing students. It isn't the education being received but the extra work we and others do to fill those gaps. And you know it.

This is such a wild stance to have. IT IS YOUR KID. Yeah, you’re doing way more work than the school for them- as you should. That’s called parenting. This has always been the case. You have a child, you raise the child, you support the child. You fill in the gaps in every aspect their whole life. You are not specifically owed compensation for this, it’s called parenting.

I really hope you are not a SpEd teacher because you really don't seem to understand that public schools have a responsibility under federal law to provide a free and appropriate education to students with disabilities. While lots of parents pay out of pocket when school come up short, they shouldn't have to because they have an obligation under federal law and subsquent case law to not only provide FAPE but also for example to ensure that a student makes "meaningful progress."

The US Dept of Ed was clear on schools responsibilities to SWDs as early as spring of 2020 (my kid suddenly started receiving certain services shortly after spring break after that guidance came out). The OCR resolution found that FCPS was not in compliance with federal law. You can be angry all you like about this but FCPS was not in compliance with the law. And that is not on parents. Sure, Fairfax has been made an example of because lots of schools failed to comply with federal guidance under IDEA during the pandemic. But given the latest OCR findings on the VDOE and their poor statewide guidance, I won't be surprised if there are more ramifications in other districts. OCR was pretty explicit they are taking a look at places beyond Fairfax, as they should.

FAPE doesn’t mean you get everything you need to make your kid the most successful they could possibly be. Public school doesn’t mean that for any kid! FAPE means barriers to entry are removed and children are given support so they can make progress, not the most progress possible. For every kid in the history of all school, that has required extra outside of school.

Didn't suggest that FAPE did. IDEA does not require best practices. But parent after parent after parent has experienced that services are cut (remember everyone's hours getting cut during the pandemic not based on need - if you don't, see the OCR inestigation into FCPS for a refresher), interventions may not be appropriate to a kids needs (talk to loads of parents of dyslexic kids), progress reports are squishy and almost always suggest kids are making progress even when school's own data suggests otherwise. Parents often turn to outside tutors not to get the best for their kids but because the school is not meeting its responsibilities under IDEA. And that is exactly what the resolution against FCPS specifically and now VDOE more broadly get too. I'm here for it.

DP, I don’t think anybody here saying that students with IEP’s received the services that they need it over those months, but I also don’t know how students were going to receive those services when practically, the whole country was closed down (March to June 2020). But parents also need to be realistic that they are probably not going to get the outcome from this that they think they are.

Most students with IEPs weren't receiving the services they needed before Covid started. However it became apparent that the services parents were paying for outside of school were not interrupted like school was. Our OG tutor went immediately online and never missed a session. (because this was her job and she relies on the hourly rate).

So you expected the same services from FCPS as a woman that you pay and relies on your payment for her livelihood?

Yes. Schools get paid right?

Yes, I expected schools to be able to continue to offer whatever they were offering before but it took over a year for things to return to "almost" normal.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe teachers should direct their irritation about compensatory services toward their leadership? Parents didn’t make the directive that they didn’t have to teach special kids.

I taught special ed kids. Every day during the virtual learning year. This lawsuit even covers the year we were fully back in person. And requires us to spend hours combing through old data and hold second iep meetings for literally every special education student in our building before June. It's almost impossible to get through all the meetings in a regular year but now we have to do it twice. OCR has lost there ever loving minds.

That is nice that you taught special kids when it was your job but many schools took away services. It happened to us. We were fortunate to be able to go to a private tutor- it was expensive but the teacher was fantastic and our child made massive improvements. It was worth it but it was expensive.

I have no expectations that the FCPS compensatory services will be good so we are not doing them but we are submitting our expenses for the time we paid for the private tutor. We probably won’t get paid back but I want someone to see the cost.

Ok: wow- that was really expensive. You really helped your kid by paying all that money. You really love him! A+ for parenting. Bad school. Bad teacher. Bad emergency response. Bad bad scared teachers.

Does that help? What you are saying is you are angry and want acknowledgement because you can’t handle it. You want the teaching profession to pay. We got it. At this point it is like give us the paddling you think all those horrible lazy women teachers deserve and move on with picking up the pieces. The misogyny that is inherent in the lack of respect teachers and nurses are feeling right now is incredible. So abisive. You need to be heard so make women do more work- got it.

Stop. First of all, yes it IS A+ parenting and one that schools and everyone in it should be thankful.
This poster said nothing about "bad teachers" or paddling. But the fact is, lots of parents DID have to PAY to fill that gap. We were happy do so, as well. But don't you dare complain about those parents who did so and picked up where the schools left off. And your screed only gives teachers a bad name.

The “schools should be thankful?” Please. It’s YOUR KID.

My kid that is propping up YOUR numbers for high performing students. It isn't the education being received but the extra work we and others do to fill those gaps. And you know it.

This is such a wild stance to have. IT IS YOUR KID. Yeah, you’re doing way more work than the school for them- as you should. That’s called parenting. This has always been the case. You have a child, you raise the child, you support the child. You fill in the gaps in every aspect their whole life. You are not specifically owed compensation for this, it’s called parenting.

I really hope you are not a SpEd teacher because you really don't seem to understand that public schools have a responsibility under federal law to provide a free and appropriate education to students with disabilities. While lots of parents pay out of pocket when school come up short, they shouldn't have to because they have an obligation under federal law and subsquent case law to not only provide FAPE but also for example to ensure that a student makes "meaningful progress."

The US Dept of Ed was clear on schools responsibilities to SWDs as early as spring of 2020 (my kid suddenly started receiving certain services shortly after spring break after that guidance came out). The OCR resolution found that FCPS was not in compliance with federal law. You can be angry all you like about this but FCPS was not in compliance with the law. And that is not on parents. Sure, Fairfax has been made an example of because lots of schools failed to comply with federal guidance under IDEA during the pandemic. But given the latest OCR findings on the VDOE and their poor statewide guidance, I won't be surprised if there are more ramifications in other districts. OCR was pretty explicit they are taking a look at places beyond Fairfax, as they should.

FAPE doesn’t mean you get everything you need to make your kid the most successful they could possibly be. Public school doesn’t mean that for any kid! FAPE means barriers to entry are removed and children are given support so they can make progress, not the most progress possible. For every kid in the history of all school, that has required extra outside of school.

Didn't suggest that FAPE did. IDEA does not require best practices. But parent after parent after parent has experienced that services are cut (remember everyone's hours getting cut during the pandemic not based on need - if you don't, see the OCR inestigation into FCPS for a refresher), interventions may not be appropriate to a kids needs (talk to loads of parents of dyslexic kids), progress reports are squishy and almost always suggest kids are making progress even when school's own data suggests otherwise. Parents often turn to outside tutors not to get the best for their kids but because the school is not meeting its responsibilities under IDEA. And that is exactly what the resolution against FCPS specifically and now VDOE more broadly get too. I'm here for it.

DP, I don’t think anybody here saying that students with IEP’s received the services that they need it over those months, but I also don’t know how students were going to receive those services when practically, the whole country was closed down (March to June 2020). But parents also need to be realistic that they are probably not going to get the outcome from this that they think they are.

Tell me you haven’t read the resolution agreements without telling me you haven’t read the resolution agreements…

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Anonymous wrote:Agree that gatehouse staff should be doing the paperwork and meetings. This was a systemic failure and should be handled out of gatehouse not indovodual teachers.

+ a million-teachers are DONE. this has finished a lot of SPED teachers. Good luck next year with your resident teachers.

Okay. I’m still waiting for the resignations that we’ve been hearing about since 2020 to actually occur.

After a while this kind of shrill argument loses its effectiveness. Lol.

Teachers have been complaining for 40 years. We get it- we hear you- you have the hardest job in the world. So please go get another one and see how the rest of us live. It is hard to have a job.

Another boring entitled parent you are. Dime a dozen. Yawn.

+1 no one complains louder than people like this

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS has been horrible to families for years and they are finally getting their due BUT they are digging themselves further into a hole because they are not taking the OCS investigation seriously. It is like they have gotten away with things for so long that they expect they will still get away with it.

I am not sure who the parents are that have made these things happen but I would like to thank them.

LOL LOL LOL

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe teachers should direct their irritation about compensatory services toward their leadership? Parents didn’t make the directive that they didn’t have to teach special kids.

I taught special ed kids. Every day during the virtual learning year. This lawsuit even covers the year we were fully back in person. And requires us to spend hours combing through old data and hold second iep meetings for literally every special education student in our building before June. It's almost impossible to get through all the meetings in a regular year but now we have to do it twice. OCR has lost there ever loving minds.

That is nice that you taught special kids when it was your job but many schools took away services. It happened to us. We were fortunate to be able to go to a private tutor- it was expensive but the teacher was fantastic and our child made massive improvements. It was worth it but it was expensive.

I have no expectations that the FCPS compensatory services will be good so we are not doing them but we are submitting our expenses for the time we paid for the private tutor. We probably won’t get paid back but I want someone to see the cost.

Ok: wow- that was really expensive. You really helped your kid by paying all that money. You really love him! A+ for parenting. Bad school. Bad teacher. Bad emergency response. Bad bad scared teachers.

Does that help? What you are saying is you are angry and want acknowledgement because you can’t handle it. You want the teaching profession to pay. We got it. At this point it is like give us the paddling you think all those horrible lazy women teachers deserve and move on with picking up the pieces. The misogyny that is inherent in the lack of respect teachers and nurses are feeling right now is incredible. So abisive. You need to be heard so make women do more work- got it.

Stop. First of all, yes it IS A+ parenting and one that schools and everyone in it should be thankful.
This poster said nothing about "bad teachers" or paddling. But the fact is, lots of parents DID have to PAY to fill that gap. We were happy do so, as well. But don't you dare complain about those parents who did so and picked up where the schools left off. And your screed only gives teachers a bad name.

The “schools should be thankful?” Please. It’s YOUR KID.

My kid that is propping up YOUR numbers for high performing students. It isn't the education being received but the extra work we and others do to fill those gaps. And you know it.

This is such a wild stance to have. IT IS YOUR KID. Yeah, you’re doing way more work than the school for them- as you should. That’s called parenting. This has always been the case. You have a child, you raise the child, you support the child. You fill in the gaps in every aspect their whole life. You are not specifically owed compensation for this, it’s called parenting.

I really hope you are not a SpEd teacher because you really don't seem to understand that public schools have a responsibility under federal law to provide a free and appropriate education to students with disabilities. While lots of parents pay out of pocket when school come up short, they shouldn't have to because they have an obligation under federal law and subsquent case law to not only provide FAPE but also for example to ensure that a student makes "meaningful progress."

The US Dept of Ed was clear on schools responsibilities to SWDs as early as spring of 2020 (my kid suddenly started receiving certain services shortly after spring break after that guidance came out). The OCR resolution found that FCPS was not in compliance with federal law. You can be angry all you like about this but FCPS was not in compliance with the law. And that is not on parents. Sure, Fairfax has been made an example of because lots of schools failed to comply with federal guidance under IDEA during the pandemic. But given the latest OCR findings on the VDOE and their poor statewide guidance, I won't be surprised if there are more ramifications in other districts. OCR was pretty explicit they are taking a look at places beyond Fairfax, as they should.

You are so wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe teachers should direct their irritation about compensatory services toward their leadership? Parents didn’t make the directive that they didn’t have to teach special kids.

I taught special ed kids. Every day during the virtual learning year. This lawsuit even covers the year we were fully back in person. And requires us to spend hours combing through old data and hold second iep meetings for literally every special education student in our building before June. It's almost impossible to get through all the meetings in a regular year but now we have to do it twice. OCR has lost there ever loving minds.

That is nice that you taught special kids when it was your job but many schools took away services. It happened to us. We were fortunate to be able to go to a private tutor- it was expensive but the teacher was fantastic and our child made massive improvements. It was worth it but it was expensive.

I have no expectations that the FCPS compensatory services will be good so we are not doing them but we are submitting our expenses for the time we paid for the private tutor. We probably won’t get paid back but I want someone to see the cost.

Ok: wow- that was really expensive. You really helped your kid by paying all that money. You really love him! A+ for parenting. Bad school. Bad teacher. Bad emergency response. Bad bad scared teachers.

Does that help? What you are saying is you are angry and want acknowledgement because you can’t handle it. You want the teaching profession to pay. We got it. At this point it is like give us the paddling you think all those horrible lazy women teachers deserve and move on with picking up the pieces. The misogyny that is inherent in the lack of respect teachers and nurses are feeling right now is incredible. So abisive. You need to be heard so make women do more work- got it.

Stop. First of all, yes it IS A+ parenting and one that schools and everyone in it should be thankful.
This poster said nothing about "bad teachers" or paddling. But the fact is, lots of parents DID have to PAY to fill that gap. We were happy do so, as well. But don't you dare complain about those parents who did so and picked up where the schools left off. And your screed only gives teachers a bad name.

The “schools should be thankful?” Please. It’s YOUR KID.

My kid that is propping up YOUR numbers for high performing students. It isn't the education being received but the extra work we and others do to fill those gaps. And you know it.

This is such a wild stance to have. IT IS YOUR KID. Yeah, you’re doing way more work than the school for them- as you should. That’s called parenting. This has always been the case. You have a child, you raise the child, you support the child. You fill in the gaps in every aspect their whole life. You are not specifically owed compensation for this, it’s called parenting.

I really hope you are not a SpEd teacher because you really don't seem to understand that public schools have a responsibility under federal law to provide a free and appropriate education to students with disabilities. While lots of parents pay out of pocket when school come up short, they shouldn't have to because they have an obligation under federal law and subsquent case law to not only provide FAPE but also for example to ensure that a student makes "meaningful progress."

The US Dept of Ed was clear on schools responsibilities to SWDs as early as spring of 2020 (my kid suddenly started receiving certain services shortly after spring break after that guidance came out). The OCR resolution found that FCPS was not in compliance with federal law. You can be angry all you like about this but FCPS was not in compliance with the law. And that is not on parents. Sure, Fairfax has been made an example of because lots of schools failed to comply with federal guidance under IDEA during the pandemic. But given the latest OCR findings on the VDOE and their poor statewide guidance, I won't be surprised if there are more ramifications in other districts. OCR was pretty explicit they are taking a look at places beyond Fairfax, as they should.

FAPE doesn’t mean you get everything you need to make your kid the most successful they could possibly be. Public school doesn’t mean that for any kid! FAPE means barriers to entry are removed and children are given support so they can make progress, not the most progress possible. For every kid in the history of all school, that has required extra outside of school.

Didn't suggest that FAPE did. IDEA does not require best practices. But parent after parent after parent has experienced that services are cut (remember everyone's hours getting cut during the pandemic not based on need - if you don't, see the OCR inestigation into FCPS for a refresher), interventions may not be appropriate to a kids needs (talk to loads of parents of dyslexic kids), progress reports are squishy and almost always suggest kids are making progress even when school's own data suggests otherwise. Parents often turn to outside tutors not to get the best for their kids but because the school is not meeting its responsibilities under IDEA. And that is exactly what the resolution against FCPS specifically and now VDOE more broadly get too. I'm here for it.

DP, I don’t think anybody here saying that students with IEP’s received the services that they need it over those months, but I also don’t know how students were going to receive those services when practically, the whole country was closed down (March to June 2020). But parents also need to be realistic that they are probably not going to get the outcome from this that they think they are.

Most students with IEPs weren't receiving the services they needed before Covid started. However it became apparent that the services parents were paying for outside of school were not interrupted like school was. Our OG tutor went immediately online and never missed a session. (because this was her job and she relies on the hourly rate).

So you expected the same services from FCPS as a woman that you pay and relies on your payment for her livelihood?

Yes. Schools get paid right?

Yes, I expected schools to be able to continue to offer whatever they were offering before but it took over a year for things to return to "almost" normal.

Teachers are still waiting for parents to get back to normal parenting....still waiting.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe teachers should direct their irritation about compensatory services toward their leadership? Parents didn’t make the directive that they didn’t have to teach special kids.

I taught special ed kids. Every day during the virtual learning year. This lawsuit even covers the year we were fully back in person. And requires us to spend hours combing through old data and hold second iep meetings for literally every special education student in our building before June. It's almost impossible to get through all the meetings in a regular year but now we have to do it twice. OCR has lost there ever loving minds.

That is nice that you taught special kids when it was your job but many schools took away services. It happened to us. We were fortunate to be able to go to a private tutor- it was expensive but the teacher was fantastic and our child made massive improvements. It was worth it but it was expensive.

I have no expectations that the FCPS compensatory services will be good so we are not doing them but we are submitting our expenses for the time we paid for the private tutor. We probably won’t get paid back but I want someone to see the cost.

Ok: wow- that was really expensive. You really helped your kid by paying all that money. You really love him! A+ for parenting. Bad school. Bad teacher. Bad emergency response. Bad bad scared teachers.

Does that help? What you are saying is you are angry and want acknowledgement because you can’t handle it. You want the teaching profession to pay. We got it. At this point it is like give us the paddling you think all those horrible lazy women teachers deserve and move on with picking up the pieces. The misogyny that is inherent in the lack of respect teachers and nurses are feeling right now is incredible. So abisive. You need to be heard so make women do more work- got it.

Stop. First of all, yes it IS A+ parenting and one that schools and everyone in it should be thankful.
This poster said nothing about "bad teachers" or paddling. But the fact is, lots of parents DID have to PAY to fill that gap. We were happy do so, as well. But don't you dare complain about those parents who did so and picked up where the schools left off. And your screed only gives teachers a bad name.

The “schools should be thankful?” Please. It’s YOUR KID.

My kid that is propping up YOUR numbers for high performing students. It isn't the education being received but the extra work we and others do to fill those gaps. And you know it.

This is such a wild stance to have. IT IS YOUR KID. Yeah, you’re doing way more work than the school for them- as you should. That’s called parenting. This has always been the case. You have a child, you raise the child, you support the child. You fill in the gaps in every aspect their whole life. You are not specifically owed compensation for this, it’s called parenting.

I really hope you are not a SpEd teacher because you really don't seem to understand that public schools have a responsibility under federal law to provide a free and appropriate education to students with disabilities. While lots of parents pay out of pocket when school come up short, they shouldn't have to because they have an obligation under federal law and subsquent case law to not only provide FAPE but also for example to ensure that a student makes "meaningful progress."

The US Dept of Ed was clear on schools responsibilities to SWDs as early as spring of 2020 (my kid suddenly started receiving certain services shortly after spring break after that guidance came out). The OCR resolution found that FCPS was not in compliance with federal law. You can be angry all you like about this but FCPS was not in compliance with the law. And that is not on parents. Sure, Fairfax has been made an example of because lots of schools failed to comply with federal guidance under IDEA during the pandemic. But given the latest OCR findings on the VDOE and their poor statewide guidance, I won't be surprised if there are more ramifications in other districts. OCR was pretty explicit they are taking a look at places beyond Fairfax, as they should.

FAPE doesn’t mean you get everything you need to make your kid the most successful they could possibly be. Public school doesn’t mean that for any kid! FAPE means barriers to entry are removed and children are given support so they can make progress, not the most progress possible. For every kid in the history of all school, that has required extra outside of school.

Didn't suggest that FAPE did. IDEA does not require best practices. But parent after parent after parent has experienced that services are cut (remember everyone's hours getting cut during the pandemic not based on need - if you don't, see the OCR inestigation into FCPS for a refresher), interventions may not be appropriate to a kids needs (talk to loads of parents of dyslexic kids), progress reports are squishy and almost always suggest kids are making progress even when school's own data suggests otherwise. Parents often turn to outside tutors not to get the best for their kids but because the school is not meeting its responsibilities under IDEA. And that is exactly what the resolution against FCPS specifically and now VDOE more broadly get too. I'm here for it.

DP, I don’t think anybody here saying that students with IEP’s received the services that they need it over those months, but I also don’t know how students were going to receive those services when practically, the whole country was closed down (March to June 2020). But parents also need to be realistic that they are probably not going to get the outcome from this that they think they are.

Most students with IEPs weren't receiving the services they needed before Covid started. However it became apparent that the services parents were paying for outside of school were not interrupted like school was. Our OG tutor went immediately online and never missed a session. (because this was her job and she relies on the hourly rate).

So you expected the same services from FCPS as a woman that you pay and relies on your payment for her livelihood?

Yes. Schools get paid right?

Yes, I expected schools to be able to continue to offer whatever they were offering before but it took over a year for things to return to "almost" normal.

Teachers are still waiting for parents to get back to normal parenting....still waiting.

I never gave up parenting. I just had to deal with schools and teachers deciding they were to precious to work when the rest of us had to.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe teachers should direct their irritation about compensatory services toward their leadership? Parents didn’t make the directive that they didn’t have to teach special kids.

I taught special ed kids. Every day during the virtual learning year. This lawsuit even covers the year we were fully back in person. And requires us to spend hours combing through old data and hold second iep meetings for literally every special education student in our building before June. It's almost impossible to get through all the meetings in a regular year but now we have to do it twice. OCR has lost there ever loving minds.

That is nice that you taught special kids when it was your job but many schools took away services. It happened to us. We were fortunate to be able to go to a private tutor- it was expensive but the teacher was fantastic and our child made massive improvements. It was worth it but it was expensive.

I have no expectations that the FCPS compensatory services will be good so we are not doing them but we are submitting our expenses for the time we paid for the private tutor. We probably won’t get paid back but I want someone to see the cost.

Ok: wow- that was really expensive. You really helped your kid by paying all that money. You really love him! A+ for parenting. Bad school. Bad teacher. Bad emergency response. Bad bad scared teachers.

Does that help? What you are saying is you are angry and want acknowledgement because you can’t handle it. You want the teaching profession to pay. We got it. At this point it is like give us the paddling you think all those horrible lazy women teachers deserve and move on with picking up the pieces. The misogyny that is inherent in the lack of respect teachers and nurses are feeling right now is incredible. So abisive. You need to be heard so make women do more work- got it.

Stop. First of all, yes it IS A+ parenting and one that schools and everyone in it should be thankful.
This poster said nothing about "bad teachers" or paddling. But the fact is, lots of parents DID have to PAY to fill that gap. We were happy do so, as well. But don't you dare complain about those parents who did so and picked up where the schools left off. And your screed only gives teachers a bad name.

The “schools should be thankful?” Please. It’s YOUR KID.

My kid that is propping up YOUR numbers for high performing students. It isn't the education being received but the extra work we and others do to fill those gaps. And you know it.

This is such a wild stance to have. IT IS YOUR KID. Yeah, you’re doing way more work than the school for them- as you should. That’s called parenting. This has always been the case. You have a child, you raise the child, you support the child. You fill in the gaps in every aspect their whole life. You are not specifically owed compensation for this, it’s called parenting.

I really hope you are not a SpEd teacher because you really don't seem to understand that public schools have a responsibility under federal law to provide a free and appropriate education to students with disabilities. While lots of parents pay out of pocket when school come up short, they shouldn't have to because they have an obligation under federal law and subsquent case law to not only provide FAPE but also for example to ensure that a student makes "meaningful progress."

The US Dept of Ed was clear on schools responsibilities to SWDs as early as spring of 2020 (my kid suddenly started receiving certain services shortly after spring break after that guidance came out). The OCR resolution found that FCPS was not in compliance with federal law. You can be angry all you like about this but FCPS was not in compliance with the law. And that is not on parents. Sure, Fairfax has been made an example of because lots of schools failed to comply with federal guidance under IDEA during the pandemic. But given the latest OCR findings on the VDOE and their poor statewide guidance, I won't be surprised if there are more ramifications in other districts. OCR was pretty explicit they are taking a look at places beyond Fairfax, as they should.

FAPE doesn’t mean you get everything you need to make your kid the most successful they could possibly be. Public school doesn’t mean that for any kid! FAPE means barriers to entry are removed and children are given support so they can make progress, not the most progress possible. For every kid in the history of all school, that has required extra outside of school.

Didn't suggest that FAPE did. IDEA does not require best practices. But parent after parent after parent has experienced that services are cut (remember everyone's hours getting cut during the pandemic not based on need - if you don't, see the OCR inestigation into FCPS for a refresher), interventions may not be appropriate to a kids needs (talk to loads of parents of dyslexic kids), progress reports are squishy and almost always suggest kids are making progress even when school's own data suggests otherwise. Parents often turn to outside tutors not to get the best for their kids but because the school is not meeting its responsibilities under IDEA. And that is exactly what the resolution against FCPS specifically and now VDOE more broadly get too. I'm here for it.

DP, I don’t think anybody here saying that students with IEP’s received the services that they need it over those months, but I also don’t know how students were going to receive those services when practically, the whole country was closed down (March to June 2020). But parents also need to be realistic that they are probably not going to get the outcome from this that they think they are.

Most students with IEPs weren't receiving the services they needed before Covid started. However it became apparent that the services parents were paying for outside of school were not interrupted like school was. Our OG tutor went immediately online and never missed a session. (because this was her job and she relies on the hourly rate).

So you expected the same services from FCPS as a woman that you pay and relies on your payment for her livelihood?

Yes. Schools get paid right?

Yes, I expected schools to be able to continue to offer whatever they were offering before but it took over a year for things to return to "almost" normal.

Teachers are still waiting for parents to get back to normal parenting....still waiting.

I never gave up parenting. I just had to deal with schools and teachers deciding they were to precious to work when the rest of us had to.

Teachers didn't make that decision.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe teachers should direct their irritation about compensatory services toward their leadership? Parents didn’t make the directive that they didn’t have to teach special kids.

I taught special ed kids. Every day during the virtual learning year. This lawsuit even covers the year we were fully back in person. And requires us to spend hours combing through old data and hold second iep meetings for literally every special education student in our building before June. It's almost impossible to get through all the meetings in a regular year but now we have to do it twice. OCR has lost there ever loving minds.

That is nice that you taught special kids when it was your job but many schools took away services. It happened to us. We were fortunate to be able to go to a private tutor- it was expensive but the teacher was fantastic and our child made massive improvements. It was worth it but it was expensive.

I have no expectations that the FCPS compensatory services will be good so we are not doing them but we are submitting our expenses for the time we paid for the private tutor. We probably won’t get paid back but I want someone to see the cost.

Ok: wow- that was really expensive. You really helped your kid by paying all that money. You really love him! A+ for parenting. Bad school. Bad teacher. Bad emergency response. Bad bad scared teachers.

Does that help? What you are saying is you are angry and want acknowledgement because you can’t handle it. You want the teaching profession to pay. We got it. At this point it is like give us the paddling you think all those horrible lazy women teachers deserve and move on with picking up the pieces. The misogyny that is inherent in the lack of respect teachers and nurses are feeling right now is incredible. So abisive. You need to be heard so make women do more work- got it.

Stop. First of all, yes it IS A+ parenting and one that schools and everyone in it should be thankful.
This poster said nothing about "bad teachers" or paddling. But the fact is, lots of parents DID have to PAY to fill that gap. We were happy do so, as well. But don't you dare complain about those parents who did so and picked up where the schools left off. And your screed only gives teachers a bad name.

The “schools should be thankful?” Please. It’s YOUR KID.

My kid that is propping up YOUR numbers for high performing students. It isn't the education being received but the extra work we and others do to fill those gaps. And you know it.

This is such a wild stance to have. IT IS YOUR KID. Yeah, you’re doing way more work than the school for them- as you should. That’s called parenting. This has always been the case. You have a child, you raise the child, you support the child. You fill in the gaps in every aspect their whole life. You are not specifically owed compensation for this, it’s called parenting.

I really hope you are not a SpEd teacher because you really don't seem to understand that public schools have a responsibility under federal law to provide a free and appropriate education to students with disabilities. While lots of parents pay out of pocket when school come up short, they shouldn't have to because they have an obligation under federal law and subsquent case law to not only provide FAPE but also for example to ensure that a student makes "meaningful progress."

The US Dept of Ed was clear on schools responsibilities to SWDs as early as spring of 2020 (my kid suddenly started receiving certain services shortly after spring break after that guidance came out). The OCR resolution found that FCPS was not in compliance with federal law. You can be angry all you like about this but FCPS was not in compliance with the law. And that is not on parents. Sure, Fairfax has been made an example of because lots of schools failed to comply with federal guidance under IDEA during the pandemic. But given the latest OCR findings on the VDOE and their poor statewide guidance, I won't be surprised if there are more ramifications in other districts. OCR was pretty explicit they are taking a look at places beyond Fairfax, as they should.

FAPE doesn’t mean you get everything you need to make your kid the most successful they could possibly be. Public school doesn’t mean that for any kid! FAPE means barriers to entry are removed and children are given support so they can make progress, not the most progress possible. For every kid in the history of all school, that has required extra outside of school.

Didn't suggest that FAPE did. IDEA does not require best practices. But parent after parent after parent has experienced that services are cut (remember everyone's hours getting cut during the pandemic not based on need - if you don't, see the OCR inestigation into FCPS for a refresher), interventions may not be appropriate to a kids needs (talk to loads of parents of dyslexic kids), progress reports are squishy and almost always suggest kids are making progress even when school's own data suggests otherwise. Parents often turn to outside tutors not to get the best for their kids but because the school is not meeting its responsibilities under IDEA. And that is exactly what the resolution against FCPS specifically and now VDOE more broadly get too. I'm here for it.

DP, I don’t think anybody here saying that students with IEP’s received the services that they need it over those months, but I also don’t know how students were going to receive those services when practically, the whole country was closed down (March to June 2020). But parents also need to be realistic that they are probably not going to get the outcome from this that they think they are.

Most students with IEPs weren't receiving the services they needed before Covid started. However it became apparent that the services parents were paying for outside of school were not interrupted like school was. Our OG tutor went immediately online and never missed a session. (because this was her job and she relies on the hourly rate).

So you expected the same services from FCPS as a woman that you pay and relies on your payment for her livelihood?

Yes. Schools get paid right?

Yes, I expected schools to be able to continue to offer whatever they were offering before but it took over a year for things to return to "almost" normal.

Teachers are still waiting for parents to get back to normal parenting....still waiting.

I never gave up parenting. I just had to deal with schools and teachers deciding they were to precious to work when the rest of us had to.

Teachers didn't make that decision.

Oh, and teachers were working.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe teachers should direct their irritation about compensatory services toward their leadership? Parents didn’t make the directive that they didn’t have to teach special kids.

I taught special ed kids. Every day during the virtual learning year. This lawsuit even covers the year we were fully back in person. And requires us to spend hours combing through old data and hold second iep meetings for literally every special education student in our building before June. It's almost impossible to get through all the meetings in a regular year but now we have to do it twice. OCR has lost there ever loving minds.

That is nice that you taught special kids when it was your job but many schools took away services. It happened to us. We were fortunate to be able to go to a private tutor- it was expensive but the teacher was fantastic and our child made massive improvements. It was worth it but it was expensive.

I have no expectations that the FCPS compensatory services will be good so we are not doing them but we are submitting our expenses for the time we paid for the private tutor. We probably won’t get paid back but I want someone to see the cost.

Ok: wow- that was really expensive. You really helped your kid by paying all that money. You really love him! A+ for parenting. Bad school. Bad teacher. Bad emergency response. Bad bad scared teachers.

Does that help? What you are saying is you are angry and want acknowledgement because you can’t handle it. You want the teaching profession to pay. We got it. At this point it is like give us the paddling you think all those horrible lazy women teachers deserve and move on with picking up the pieces. The misogyny that is inherent in the lack of respect teachers and nurses are feeling right now is incredible. So abisive. You need to be heard so make women do more work- got it.

Stop. First of all, yes it IS A+ parenting and one that schools and everyone in it should be thankful.
This poster said nothing about "bad teachers" or paddling. But the fact is, lots of parents DID have to PAY to fill that gap. We were happy do so, as well. But don't you dare complain about those parents who did so and picked up where the schools left off. And your screed only gives teachers a bad name.

The “schools should be thankful?” Please. It’s YOUR KID.

My kid that is propping up YOUR numbers for high performing students. It isn't the education being received but the extra work we and others do to fill those gaps. And you know it.

This is such a wild stance to have. IT IS YOUR KID. Yeah, you’re doing way more work than the school for them- as you should. That’s called parenting. This has always been the case. You have a child, you raise the child, you support the child. You fill in the gaps in every aspect their whole life. You are not specifically owed compensation for this, it’s called parenting.

I really hope you are not a SpEd teacher because you really don't seem to understand that public schools have a responsibility under federal law to provide a free and appropriate education to students with disabilities. While lots of parents pay out of pocket when school come up short, they shouldn't have to because they have an obligation under federal law and subsquent case law to not only provide FAPE but also for example to ensure that a student makes "meaningful progress."

The US Dept of Ed was clear on schools responsibilities to SWDs as early as spring of 2020 (my kid suddenly started receiving certain services shortly after spring break after that guidance came out). The OCR resolution found that FCPS was not in compliance with federal law. You can be angry all you like about this but FCPS was not in compliance with the law. And that is not on parents. Sure, Fairfax has been made an example of because lots of schools failed to comply with federal guidance under IDEA during the pandemic. But given the latest OCR findings on the VDOE and their poor statewide guidance, I won't be surprised if there are more ramifications in other districts. OCR was pretty explicit they are taking a look at places beyond Fairfax, as they should.

FAPE doesn’t mean you get everything you need to make your kid the most successful they could possibly be. Public school doesn’t mean that for any kid! FAPE means barriers to entry are removed and children are given support so they can make progress, not the most progress possible. For every kid in the history of all school, that has required extra outside of school.

Didn't suggest that FAPE did. IDEA does not require best practices. But parent after parent after parent has experienced that services are cut (remember everyone's hours getting cut during the pandemic not based on need - if you don't, see the OCR inestigation into FCPS for a refresher), interventions may not be appropriate to a kids needs (talk to loads of parents of dyslexic kids), progress reports are squishy and almost always suggest kids are making progress even when school's own data suggests otherwise. Parents often turn to outside tutors not to get the best for their kids but because the school is not meeting its responsibilities under IDEA. And that is exactly what the resolution against FCPS specifically and now VDOE more broadly get too. I'm here for it.

DP, I don’t think anybody here saying that students with IEP’s received the services that they need it over those months, but I also don’t know how students were going to receive those services when practically, the whole country was closed down (March to June 2020). But parents also need to be realistic that they are probably not going to get the outcome from this that they think they are.

Most students with IEPs weren't receiving the services they needed before Covid started. However it became apparent that the services parents were paying for outside of school were not interrupted like school was. Our OG tutor went immediately online and never missed a session. (because this was her job and she relies on the hourly rate).

So you expected the same services from FCPS as a woman that you pay and relies on your payment for her livelihood?

Yes. Schools get paid right?

Yes, I expected schools to be able to continue to offer whatever they were offering before but it took over a year for things to return to "almost" normal.

Teachers are still waiting for parents to get back to normal parenting....still waiting.

I never gave up parenting. I just had to deal with schools and teachers deciding they were to precious to work when the rest of us had to.

Teachers didn't make that decision.

+1, and a little over 50% of the families chose to stay virtual all year.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe teachers should direct their irritation about compensatory services toward their leadership? Parents didn’t make the directive that they didn’t have to teach special kids.

I taught special ed kids. Every day during the virtual learning year. This lawsuit even covers the year we were fully back in person. And requires us to spend hours combing through old data and hold second iep meetings for literally every special education student in our building before June. It's almost impossible to get through all the meetings in a regular year but now we have to do it twice. OCR has lost there ever loving minds.

That is nice that you taught special kids when it was your job but many schools took away services. It happened to us. We were fortunate to be able to go to a private tutor- it was expensive but the teacher was fantastic and our child made massive improvements. It was worth it but it was expensive.

I have no expectations that the FCPS compensatory services will be good so we are not doing them but we are submitting our expenses for the time we paid for the private tutor. We probably won’t get paid back but I want someone to see the cost.

Ok: wow- that was really expensive. You really helped your kid by paying all that money. You really love him! A+ for parenting. Bad school. Bad teacher. Bad emergency response. Bad bad scared teachers.

Does that help? What you are saying is you are angry and want acknowledgement because you can’t handle it. You want the teaching profession to pay. We got it. At this point it is like give us the paddling you think all those horrible lazy women teachers deserve and move on with picking up the pieces. The misogyny that is inherent in the lack of respect teachers and nurses are feeling right now is incredible. So abisive. You need to be heard so make women do more work- got it.

Stop. First of all, yes it IS A+ parenting and one that schools and everyone in it should be thankful.
This poster said nothing about "bad teachers" or paddling. But the fact is, lots of parents DID have to PAY to fill that gap. We were happy do so, as well. But don't you dare complain about those parents who did so and picked up where the schools left off. And your screed only gives teachers a bad name.

The “schools should be thankful?” Please. It’s YOUR KID.

My kid that is propping up YOUR numbers for high performing students. It isn't the education being received but the extra work we and others do to fill those gaps. And you know it.

This is such a wild stance to have. IT IS YOUR KID. Yeah, you’re doing way more work than the school for them- as you should. That’s called parenting. This has always been the case. You have a child, you raise the child, you support the child. You fill in the gaps in every aspect their whole life. You are not specifically owed compensation for this, it’s called parenting.

I really hope you are not a SpEd teacher because you really don't seem to understand that public schools have a responsibility under federal law to provide a free and appropriate education to students with disabilities. While lots of parents pay out of pocket when school come up short, they shouldn't have to because they have an obligation under federal law and subsquent case law to not only provide FAPE but also for example to ensure that a student makes "meaningful progress."

The US Dept of Ed was clear on schools responsibilities to SWDs as early as spring of 2020 (my kid suddenly started receiving certain services shortly after spring break after that guidance came out). The OCR resolution found that FCPS was not in compliance with federal law. You can be angry all you like about this but FCPS was not in compliance with the law. And that is not on parents. Sure, Fairfax has been made an example of because lots of schools failed to comply with federal guidance under IDEA during the pandemic. But given the latest OCR findings on the VDOE and their poor statewide guidance, I won't be surprised if there are more ramifications in other districts. OCR was pretty explicit they are taking a look at places beyond Fairfax, as they should.

FAPE doesn’t mean you get everything you need to make your kid the most successful they could possibly be. Public school doesn’t mean that for any kid! FAPE means barriers to entry are removed and children are given support so they can make progress, not the most progress possible. For every kid in the history of all school, that has required extra outside of school.

Didn't suggest that FAPE did. IDEA does not require best practices. But parent after parent after parent has experienced that services are cut (remember everyone's hours getting cut during the pandemic not based on need - if you don't, see the OCR inestigation into FCPS for a refresher), interventions may not be appropriate to a kids needs (talk to loads of parents of dyslexic kids), progress reports are squishy and almost always suggest kids are making progress even when school's own data suggests otherwise. Parents often turn to outside tutors not to get the best for their kids but because the school is not meeting its responsibilities under IDEA. And that is exactly what the resolution against FCPS specifically and now VDOE more broadly get too. I'm here for it.

DP, I don’t think anybody here saying that students with IEP’s received the services that they need it over those months, but I also don’t know how students were going to receive those services when practically, the whole country was closed down (March to June 2020). But parents also need to be realistic that they are probably not going to get the outcome from this that they think they are.

Most students with IEPs weren't receiving the services they needed before Covid started. However it became apparent that the services parents were paying for outside of school were not interrupted like school was. Our OG tutor went immediately online and never missed a session. (because this was her job and she relies on the hourly rate).

So you expected the same services from FCPS as a woman that you pay and relies on your payment for her livelihood?

Yes. Schools get paid right?

Yes, I expected schools to be able to continue to offer whatever they were offering before but it took over a year for things to return to "almost" normal.

Teachers are still waiting for parents to get back to normal parenting....still waiting.

I never gave up parenting. I just had to deal with schools and teachers deciding they were to precious to work when the rest of us had to.

Teachers didn't make that decision.

My child's teacher didn't come back to school. She was taking vacations frequently all year though. They had a monitor and had to all be in headphones on their laptops all day once schools finally opened.
Oh, but guess what? She came back in person in the summer in person for summer school for extra pay.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe teachers should direct their irritation about compensatory services toward their leadership? Parents didn’t make the directive that they didn’t have to teach special kids.

I taught special ed kids. Every day during the virtual learning year. This lawsuit even covers the year we were fully back in person. And requires us to spend hours combing through old data and hold second iep meetings for literally every special education student in our building before June. It's almost impossible to get through all the meetings in a regular year but now we have to do it twice. OCR has lost there ever loving minds.

That is nice that you taught special kids when it was your job but many schools took away services. It happened to us. We were fortunate to be able to go to a private tutor- it was expensive but the teacher was fantastic and our child made massive improvements. It was worth it but it was expensive.

I have no expectations that the FCPS compensatory services will be good so we are not doing them but we are submitting our expenses for the time we paid for the private tutor. We probably won’t get paid back but I want someone to see the cost.

Ok: wow- that was really expensive. You really helped your kid by paying all that money. You really love him! A+ for parenting. Bad school. Bad teacher. Bad emergency response. Bad bad scared teachers.

Does that help? What you are saying is you are angry and want acknowledgement because you can’t handle it. You want the teaching profession to pay. We got it. At this point it is like give us the paddling you think all those horrible lazy women teachers deserve and move on with picking up the pieces. The misogyny that is inherent in the lack of respect teachers and nurses are feeling right now is incredible. So abisive. You need to be heard so make women do more work- got it.

Stop. First of all, yes it IS A+ parenting and one that schools and everyone in it should be thankful.
This poster said nothing about "bad teachers" or paddling. But the fact is, lots of parents DID have to PAY to fill that gap. We were happy do so, as well. But don't you dare complain about those parents who did so and picked up where the schools left off. And your screed only gives teachers a bad name.

The “schools should be thankful?” Please. It’s YOUR KID.

My kid that is propping up YOUR numbers for high performing students. It isn't the education being received but the extra work we and others do to fill those gaps. And you know it.

This is such a wild stance to have. IT IS YOUR KID. Yeah, you’re doing way more work than the school for them- as you should. That’s called parenting. This has always been the case. You have a child, you raise the child, you support the child. You fill in the gaps in every aspect their whole life. You are not specifically owed compensation for this, it’s called parenting.

I really hope you are not a SpEd teacher because you really don't seem to understand that public schools have a responsibility under federal law to provide a free and appropriate education to students with disabilities. While lots of parents pay out of pocket when school come up short, they shouldn't have to because they have an obligation under federal law and subsquent case law to not only provide FAPE but also for example to ensure that a student makes "meaningful progress."

The US Dept of Ed was clear on schools responsibilities to SWDs as early as spring of 2020 (my kid suddenly started receiving certain services shortly after spring break after that guidance came out). The OCR resolution found that FCPS was not in compliance with federal law. You can be angry all you like about this but FCPS was not in compliance with the law. And that is not on parents. Sure, Fairfax has been made an example of because lots of schools failed to comply with federal guidance under IDEA during the pandemic. But given the latest OCR findings on the VDOE and their poor statewide guidance, I won't be surprised if there are more ramifications in other districts. OCR was pretty explicit they are taking a look at places beyond Fairfax, as they should.

FAPE doesn’t mean you get everything you need to make your kid the most successful they could possibly be. Public school doesn’t mean that for any kid! FAPE means barriers to entry are removed and children are given support so they can make progress, not the most progress possible. For every kid in the history of all school, that has required extra outside of school.

Didn't suggest that FAPE did. IDEA does not require best practices. But parent after parent after parent has experienced that services are cut (remember everyone's hours getting cut during the pandemic not based on need - if you don't, see the OCR inestigation into FCPS for a refresher), interventions may not be appropriate to a kids needs (talk to loads of parents of dyslexic kids), progress reports are squishy and almost always suggest kids are making progress even when school's own data suggests otherwise. Parents often turn to outside tutors not to get the best for their kids but because the school is not meeting its responsibilities under IDEA. And that is exactly what the resolution against FCPS specifically and now VDOE more broadly get too. I'm here for it.

DP, I don’t think anybody here saying that students with IEP’s received the services that they need it over those months, but I also don’t know how students were going to receive those services when practically, the whole country was closed down (March to June 2020). But parents also need to be realistic that they are probably not going to get the outcome from this that they think they are.

Most students with IEPs weren't receiving the services they needed before Covid started. However it became apparent that the services parents were paying for outside of school were not interrupted like school was. Our OG tutor went immediately online and never missed a session. (because this was her job and she relies on the hourly rate).

So you expected the same services from FCPS as a woman that you pay and relies on your payment for her livelihood?

Yes. Schools get paid right?

Yes, I expected schools to be able to continue to offer whatever they were offering before but it took over a year for things to return to "almost" normal.

Teachers are still waiting for parents to get back to normal parenting....still waiting.

I never gave up parenting. I just had to deal with schools and teachers deciding they were to precious to work when the rest of us had to.

Teachers didn't make that decision.

They certainly were not saying they wanted to come back to the classroom. Many were advocating to stay at home as long as possible.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe teachers should direct their irritation about compensatory services toward their leadership? Parents didn’t make the directive that they didn’t have to teach special kids.

I taught special ed kids. Every day during the virtual learning year. This lawsuit even covers the year we were fully back in person. And requires us to spend hours combing through old data and hold second iep meetings for literally every special education student in our building before June. It's almost impossible to get through all the meetings in a regular year but now we have to do it twice. OCR has lost there ever loving minds.

That is nice that you taught special kids when it was your job but many schools took away services. It happened to us. We were fortunate to be able to go to a private tutor- it was expensive but the teacher was fantastic and our child made massive improvements. It was worth it but it was expensive.

I have no expectations that the FCPS compensatory services will be good so we are not doing them but we are submitting our expenses for the time we paid for the private tutor. We probably won’t get paid back but I want someone to see the cost.

Ok: wow- that was really expensive. You really helped your kid by paying all that money. You really love him! A+ for parenting. Bad school. Bad teacher. Bad emergency response. Bad bad scared teachers.

Does that help? What you are saying is you are angry and want acknowledgement because you can’t handle it. You want the teaching profession to pay. We got it. At this point it is like give us the paddling you think all those horrible lazy women teachers deserve and move on with picking up the pieces. The misogyny that is inherent in the lack of respect teachers and nurses are feeling right now is incredible. So abisive. You need to be heard so make women do more work- got it.

Stop. First of all, yes it IS A+ parenting and one that schools and everyone in it should be thankful.
This poster said nothing about "bad teachers" or paddling. But the fact is, lots of parents DID have to PAY to fill that gap. We were happy do so, as well. But don't you dare complain about those parents who did so and picked up where the schools left off. And your screed only gives teachers a bad name.

The “schools should be thankful?” Please. It’s YOUR KID.

My kid that is propping up YOUR numbers for high performing students. It isn't the education being received but the extra work we and others do to fill those gaps. And you know it.

This is such a wild stance to have. IT IS YOUR KID. Yeah, you’re doing way more work than the school for them- as you should. That’s called parenting. This has always been the case. You have a child, you raise the child, you support the child. You fill in the gaps in every aspect their whole life. You are not specifically owed compensation for this, it’s called parenting.

I really hope you are not a SpEd teacher because you really don't seem to understand that public schools have a responsibility under federal law to provide a free and appropriate education to students with disabilities. While lots of parents pay out of pocket when school come up short, they shouldn't have to because they have an obligation under federal law and subsquent case law to not only provide FAPE but also for example to ensure that a student makes "meaningful progress."

The US Dept of Ed was clear on schools responsibilities to SWDs as early as spring of 2020 (my kid suddenly started receiving certain services shortly after spring break after that guidance came out). The OCR resolution found that FCPS was not in compliance with federal law. You can be angry all you like about this but FCPS was not in compliance with the law. And that is not on parents. Sure, Fairfax has been made an example of because lots of schools failed to comply with federal guidance under IDEA during the pandemic. But given the latest OCR findings on the VDOE and their poor statewide guidance, I won't be surprised if there are more ramifications in other districts. OCR was pretty explicit they are taking a look at places beyond Fairfax, as they should.

FAPE doesn’t mean you get everything you need to make your kid the most successful they could possibly be. Public school doesn’t mean that for any kid! FAPE means barriers to entry are removed and children are given support so they can make progress, not the most progress possible. For every kid in the history of all school, that has required extra outside of school.

Didn't suggest that FAPE did. IDEA does not require best practices. But parent after parent after parent has experienced that services are cut (remember everyone's hours getting cut during the pandemic not based on need - if you don't, see the OCR inestigation into FCPS for a refresher), interventions may not be appropriate to a kids needs (talk to loads of parents of dyslexic kids), progress reports are squishy and almost always suggest kids are making progress even when school's own data suggests otherwise. Parents often turn to outside tutors not to get the best for their kids but because the school is not meeting its responsibilities under IDEA. And that is exactly what the resolution against FCPS specifically and now VDOE more broadly get too. I'm here for it.

DP, I don’t think anybody here saying that students with IEP’s received the services that they need it over those months, but I also don’t know how students were going to receive those services when practically, the whole country was closed down (March to June 2020). But parents also need to be realistic that they are probably not going to get the outcome from this that they think they are.

Most students with IEPs weren't receiving the services they needed before Covid started. However it became apparent that the services parents were paying for outside of school were not interrupted like school was. Our OG tutor went immediately online and never missed a session. (because this was her job and she relies on the hourly rate).

So you expected the same services from FCPS as a woman that you pay and relies on your payment for her livelihood?

Yes. Schools get paid right?

Yes, I expected schools to be able to continue to offer whatever they were offering before but it took over a year for things to return to "almost" normal.

Teachers are still waiting for parents to get back to normal parenting....still waiting.

I never gave up parenting. I just had to deal with schools and teachers deciding they were to precious to work when the rest of us had to.

Teachers didn't make that decision.

My child's teacher didn't come back to school. She was taking vacations frequently all year though. They had a monitor and had to all be in headphones on their laptops all day once schools finally opened.
Oh, but guess what? She came back in person in the summer in person for summer school for extra pay.

My child’s teacher moved out of the county during the virtual year (2 hours away). Since she got the be the virtual teacher, nothing changed. She still continued teaching virtually from her new home.