Compensatory Services

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We had our meeting last week. The compensatory hours offered are miniscule and would happen over the summer based on staff actually applying to work during that time. Hopefully it is better and more meaningful than Recovery Services were. (Such a joke.) I don’t need childcare—I always pay for camps—but starting services at 10am (or an even more inconvenient time 11am? 1pm?) will just show me they were hoping parents bailed due to inconvenience (Aja needing to keep their jobs) and they can check the box that they were offered.

Trying not to be so jaded, but old habits die hard.

Teachers are feeling jaded too and taken advantage of. I don't know many teachers willing to raise their hand for this. Good luck!

Teachers (general) need to stop feeling like parents are holding THEM personally responsible for FCPS’s failings. My beef is not with teachers—my son’s teachers wanted to be back in person! (Lower ES grade, thus online was a joke.) FCPS’s failings and the OCR complaint has everything to do with leadership (led by Brabrand) and the SB. (I know people are sick of beating a dead horse about the awful SB, but they 👏🏼were👏🏼wrong👏🏼 and now teachers, students and administrators are paying the price.)

[Anonymous]

I can't believe they are paying you $9 a kid. They should have the gatehouse admin who are at fault here doing this paperwork.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We had our meeting last week. The compensatory hours offered are miniscule and would happen over the summer based on staff actually applying to work during that time. Hopefully it is better and more meaningful than Recovery Services were. (Such a joke.) I don’t need childcare—I always pay for camps—but starting services at 10am (or an even more inconvenient time 11am? 1pm?) will just show me they were hoping parents bailed due to inconvenience (Aja needing to keep their jobs) and they can check the box that they were offered.

Trying not to be so jaded, but old habits die hard.

Teachers are feeling jaded too and taken advantage of. I don't know many teachers willing to raise their hand for this. Good luck!

Teachers (general) need to stop feeling like parents are holding THEM personally responsible for FCPS’s failings. My beef is not with teachers—my son’s teachers wanted to be back in person! (Lower ES grade, thus online was a joke.) FCPS’s failings and the OCR complaint has everything to do with leadership (led by Brabrand) and the SB. (I know people are sick of beating a dead horse about the awful SB, but they 👏🏼were👏🏼wrong👏🏼 and now teachers, students and administrators are paying the price.)

There are only so many hours that teachers have. OCR seems to think that students with IEPs should get all of theme

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We had our meeting last week. The compensatory hours offered are miniscule and would happen over the summer based on staff actually applying to work during that time. Hopefully it is better and more meaningful than Recovery Services were. (Such a joke.) I don’t need childcare—I always pay for camps—but starting services at 10am (or an even more inconvenient time 11am? 1pm?) will just show me they were hoping parents bailed due to inconvenience (Aja needing to keep their jobs) and they can check the box that they were offered.

Trying not to be so jaded, but old habits die hard.

Teachers are feeling jaded too and taken advantage of. I don't know many teachers willing to raise their hand for this. Good luck!

In all seriousness. What did teachers think would happen when they were given a pass on fulfilling taxpayer-funded job duties? The services are called compensatory because they are meant to COMPENSATE for all the services kids didn't get.

If this were about teachers not "fulfilling taxpayer funded job duties" then general education students would be getting compensatory services as well.

This is about a small group of students needing highly specialized services that didn't get them (blind, deaf, ID, etc). The majority of special education students sat in those virtual classes right there alongside their peers and learned just as well as the rest of them. But because all of special education is covered under the same laws, the compensatory services have to be offered to all. We sat in my daughter's meeting the other day and completely agreed that she received appropriate services during COVID and made good progress, so we rejected the compensatory services. A lot of parents are doing that. Because, again, this lawsuit wasn't really for their students.

And the fact that the 2021-2022 school year is included in this mess is stupid as well. Everyone was back in person at that point and if you weren't, it's because you chose not to be, therefore, any services you didn't receive at that point were on you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We had our meeting last week. The compensatory hours offered are miniscule and would happen over the summer based on staff actually applying to work during that time. Hopefully it is better and more meaningful than Recovery Services were. (Such a joke.) I don’t need childcare—I always pay for camps—but starting services at 10am (or an even more inconvenient time 11am? 1pm?) will just show me they were hoping parents bailed due to inconvenience (Aja needing to keep their jobs) and they can check the box that they were offered.

Trying not to be so jaded, but old habits die hard.

Teachers are feeling jaded too and taken advantage of. I don't know many teachers willing to raise their hand for this. Good luck!

In all seriousness. What did teachers think would happen when they were given a pass on fulfilling taxpayer-funded job duties? The services are called compensatory because they are meant to COMPENSATE for all the services kids didn't get.

Teachers didn’t have a choice. I checked the box saying I wanted to teach in person. I sat at school every day doing a song and dance on the computer. I had kids back in my room the first day they were allowed and then taught awful concurrent for months. And now I’m being punished for a decision someone else made for me.

If gatehouse hired people to do all this additional paperwork and organize the meetings and sit in 6583625 meetings, there’d be no fussing from most staff. But being told “You need to clean up the mess you didn’t make” is just insulting and demoralizing. And they are offering $9 per student for staff doing all the paperwork and conducting the meetings. Many hours of additional work. $9. That’s insulting too.

This $9 per student statement doesn’t make any sense to me as a parent. How is this determined? Do you see an extra $9 in your paycheck? Starbucks gift card?

So many questions and it seems beyond insulting. I’m so sorry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We had our meeting last week. The compensatory hours offered are miniscule and would happen over the summer based on staff actually applying to work during that time. Hopefully it is better and more meaningful than Recovery Services were. (Such a joke.) I don’t need childcare—I always pay for camps—but starting services at 10am (or an even more inconvenient time 11am? 1pm?) will just show me they were hoping parents bailed due to inconvenience (Aja needing to keep their jobs) and they can check the box that they were offered.

Trying not to be so jaded, but old habits die hard.

Teachers are feeling jaded too and taken advantage of. I don't know many teachers willing to raise their hand for this. Good luck!

In all seriousness. What did teachers think would happen when they were given a pass on fulfilling taxpayer-funded job duties? The services are called compensatory because they are meant to COMPENSATE for all the services kids didn't get.

If this were about teachers not "fulfilling taxpayer funded job duties" then general education students would be getting compensatory services as well.

This is about a small group of students needing highly specialized services that didn't get them (blind, deaf, ID, etc). The majority of special education students sat in those virtual classes right there alongside their peers and learned just as well as the rest of them. But because all of special education is covered under the same laws, the compensatory services have to be offered to all. We sat in my daughter's meeting the other day and completely agreed that she received appropriate services during COVID and made good progress, so we rejected the compensatory services. A lot of parents are doing that. Because, again, this lawsuit wasn't really for their students.

And the fact that the 2021-2022 school year is included in this mess is stupid as well. Everyone was back in person at that point and if you weren't, it's because you chose not to be, therefore, any services you didn't receive at that point were on you.

It’s actually about a legal obligation - IEP/504 is a contract that the school did not deliver on. and is not a small group. It’s almost 30,000 students.

FCPS is reimbursing left and right for tutoring if parents bring receipts to meetings. But parents who did not pay for services already will not get a lot unfortunately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We had our meeting last week. The compensatory hours offered are miniscule and would happen over the summer based on staff actually applying to work during that time. Hopefully it is better and more meaningful than Recovery Services were. (Such a joke.) I don’t need childcare—I always pay for camps—but starting services at 10am (or an even more inconvenient time 11am? 1pm?) will just show me they were hoping parents bailed due to inconvenience (Aja needing to keep their jobs) and they can check the box that they were offered.

Trying not to be so jaded, but old habits die hard.

Teachers are feeling jaded too and taken advantage of. I don't know many teachers willing to raise their hand for this. Good luck!

In all seriousness. What did teachers think would happen when they were given a pass on fulfilling taxpayer-funded job duties? The services are called compensatory because they are meant to COMPENSATE for all the services kids didn't get.

If this were about teachers not "fulfilling taxpayer funded job duties" then general education students would be getting compensatory services as well.

This is about a small group of students needing highly specialized services that didn't get them (blind, deaf, ID, etc). The majority of special education students sat in those virtual classes right there alongside their peers and learned just as well as the rest of them. But because all of special education is covered under the same laws, the compensatory services have to be offered to all. We sat in my daughter's meeting the other day and completely agreed that she received appropriate services during COVID and made good progress, so we rejected the compensatory services. A lot of parents are doing that. Because, again, this lawsuit wasn't really for their students.

And the fact that the 2021-2022 school year is included in this mess is stupid as well. Everyone was back in person at that point and if you weren't, it's because you chose not to be, therefore, any services you didn't receive at that point were on you.

It’s actually about a legal obligation - IEP/504 is a contract that the school did not deliver on. and is not a small group. It’s almost 30,000 students.

FCPS is reimbursing left and right for tutoring if parents bring receipts to meetings. But parents who did not pay for services already will not get a lot unfortunately.

so glad they care about 30,000 of the 180,000 students they educate.

[Anonymous]

Its sad that the parents who could afford expensive tutoring are getting reimbursed, but the ones who couldn't afford any help for their kids are getting nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We had our meeting last week. The compensatory hours offered are miniscule and would happen over the summer based on staff actually applying to work during that time. Hopefully it is better and more meaningful than Recovery Services were. (Such a joke.) I don’t need childcare—I always pay for camps—but starting services at 10am (or an even more inconvenient time 11am? 1pm?) will just show me they were hoping parents bailed due to inconvenience (Aja needing to keep their jobs) and they can check the box that they were offered.

Trying not to be so jaded, but old habits die hard.

Teachers are feeling jaded too and taken advantage of. I don't know many teachers willing to raise their hand for this. Good luck!

In all seriousness. What did teachers think would happen when they were given a pass on fulfilling taxpayer-funded job duties? The services are called compensatory because they are meant to COMPENSATE for all the services kids didn't get.

If this were about teachers not "fulfilling taxpayer funded job duties" then general education students would be getting compensatory services as well.

This is about a small group of students needing highly specialized services that didn't get them (blind, deaf, ID, etc). The majority of special education students sat in those virtual classes right there alongside their peers and learned just as well as the rest of them. But because all of special education is covered under the same laws, the compensatory services have to be offered to all. We sat in my daughter's meeting the other day and completely agreed that she received appropriate services during COVID and made good progress, so we rejected the compensatory services. A lot of parents are doing that. Because, again, this lawsuit wasn't really for their students.

And the fact that the 2021-2022 school year is included in this mess is stupid as well. Everyone was back in person at that point and if you weren't, it's because you chose not to be, therefore, any services you didn't receive at that point were on you.

It’s actually about a legal obligation - IEP/504 is a contract that the school did not deliver on. and is not a small group. It’s almost 30,000 students.

FCPS is reimbursing left and right for tutoring if parents bring receipts to meetings. But parents who did not pay for services already will not get a lot unfortunately.

so glad they care about 30,000 of the 180,000 students they educate.

Ha. My kid has an IEP and has been in and out of contract/day schools for almost ten years. With long stretches (years), out, with no school to attend. Trust me, there are lots of kids with IEPs who are not being educated by FCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We had our meeting last week. The compensatory hours offered are miniscule and would happen over the summer based on staff actually applying to work during that time. Hopefully it is better and more meaningful than Recovery Services were. (Such a joke.) I don’t need childcare—I always pay for camps—but starting services at 10am (or an even more inconvenient time 11am? 1pm?) will just show me they were hoping parents bailed due to inconvenience (Aja needing to keep their jobs) and they can check the box that they were offered.

Trying not to be so jaded, but old habits die hard.

Teachers are feeling jaded too and taken advantage of. I don't know many teachers willing to raise their hand for this. Good luck!

In all seriousness. What did teachers think would happen when they were given a pass on fulfilling taxpayer-funded job duties? The services are called compensatory because they are meant to COMPENSATE for all the services kids didn't get.

If this were about teachers not "fulfilling taxpayer funded job duties" then general education students would be getting compensatory services as well.

This is about a small group of students needing highly specialized services that didn't get them (blind, deaf, ID, etc). The majority of special education students sat in those virtual classes right there alongside their peers and learned just as well as the rest of them. But because all of special education is covered under the same laws, the compensatory services have to be offered to all. We sat in my daughter's meeting the other day and completely agreed that she received appropriate services during COVID and made good progress, so we rejected the compensatory services. A lot of parents are doing that. Because, again, this lawsuit wasn't really for their students.

And the fact that the 2021-2022 school year is included in this mess is stupid as well. Everyone was back in person at that point and if you weren't, it's because you chose not to be, therefore, any services you didn't receive at that point were on you.

It’s actually about a legal obligation - IEP/504 is a contract that the school did not deliver on. and is not a small group. It’s almost 30,000 students.

FCPS is reimbursing left and right for tutoring if parents bring receipts to meetings. But parents who did not pay for services already will not get a lot unfortunately.

so glad they care about 30,000 of the 180,000 students they educate.

Ha. My kid has an IEP and has been in and out of contract/day schools for almost ten years. With long stretches (years), out, with no school to attend. Trust me, there are lots of kids with IEPs who are not being educated by FCPS.

+100

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Its sad that the parents who could afford expensive tutoring are getting reimbursed, but the ones who couldn't afford any help for their kids are getting nothing.

The thinking is that a child is currently at a certain point. If they are behind, the IEP team is supposed to propose services to get them caught up.

If a child is not behind and the parent has hired tutors, then the child is where they are because of the interventions of the parents. The school under the OCR agreement (that FCPS entered into willingly!) must assume that the child’s progress is due in part to the tutoring and must reimburse the parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its sad that the parents who could afford expensive tutoring are getting reimbursed, but the ones who couldn't afford any help for their kids are getting nothing.

The thinking is that a child is currently at a certain point. If they are behind, the IEP team is supposed to propose services to get them caught up.

If a child is not behind and the parent has hired tutors, then the child is where they are because of the interventions of the parents. The school under the OCR agreement (that FCPS entered into willingly!) must assume that the child’s progress is due in part to the tutoring and must reimburse the parents.

i.e. the parents who were able to spend a fortune on tutoring get reimbursed via tax payer money and those who couldn't afford it will get an extra pull out or two if the sped teacher has time

[Anonymous]

we are getting reimbursed for tutoring because FCPS failed at multiple levels. We are not getting reimbursed for all the touting, testing and services prior to Covid or this year.

I don't feel guilty about my reimbursement at all because it is just a small amount compared to the years and years of having to deal with a terrible school system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We had our meeting last week. The compensatory hours offered are miniscule and would happen over the summer based on staff actually applying to work during that time. Hopefully it is better and more meaningful than Recovery Services were. (Such a joke.) I don’t need childcare—I always pay for camps—but starting services at 10am (or an even more inconvenient time 11am? 1pm?) will just show me they were hoping parents bailed due to inconvenience (Aja needing to keep their jobs) and they can check the box that they were offered.

Trying not to be so jaded, but old habits die hard.

Teachers are feeling jaded too and taken advantage of. I don't know many teachers willing to raise their hand for this. Good luck!

In all seriousness. What did teachers think would happen when they were given a pass on fulfilling taxpayer-funded job duties? The services are called compensatory because they are meant to COMPENSATE for all the services kids didn't get.

If this were about teachers not "fulfilling taxpayer funded job duties" then general education students would be getting compensatory services as well.

This is about a small group of students needing highly specialized services that didn't get them (blind, deaf, ID, etc). The majority of special education students sat in those virtual classes right there alongside their peers and learned just as well as the rest of them. But because all of special education is covered under the same laws, the compensatory services have to be offered to all. We sat in my daughter's meeting the other day and completely agreed that she received appropriate services during COVID and made good progress, so we rejected the compensatory services. A lot of parents are doing that. Because, again, this lawsuit wasn't really for their students.

And the fact that the 2021-2022 school year is included in this mess is stupid as well. Everyone was back in person at that point and if you weren't, it's because you chose not to be, therefore, any services you didn't receive at that point were on you.

It’s actually about a legal obligation - IEP/504 is a contract that the school did not deliver on. and is not a small group. It’s almost 30,000 students.

FCPS is reimbursing left and right for tutoring if parents bring receipts to meetings. But parents who did not pay for services already will not get a lot unfortunately.

so glad they care about 30,000 of the 180,000 students they educate.

Many of us would love to trade places with you and have a kid amongst the other 150,000 students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its sad that the parents who could afford expensive tutoring are getting reimbursed, but the ones who couldn't afford any help for their kids are getting nothing.

The thinking is that a child is currently at a certain point. If they are behind, the IEP team is supposed to propose services to get them caught up.

If a child is not behind and the parent has hired tutors, then the child is where they are because of the interventions of the parents. The school under the OCR agreement (that FCPS entered into willingly!) must assume that the child’s progress is due in part to the tutoring and must reimburse the parents.

i.e. the parents who were able to spend a fortune on tutoring get reimbursed via tax payer money and those who couldn't afford it will get an extra pull out or two if the sped teacher has time

Most compensatory services—or maybe it is figured out school by school—are happening over the summer. A lot is unknown, as they need to get through the meetings, see who needs what and then they will hire staff willing to work.

Regarding the taxpayer money, FCPS/Gatehouse received a lot of money to provide SPED services during the pandemic that they were not able/willing to deliver on/provide. Parents didn’t sign their kids up for tutoring or private therapy sessions just for fun…they did it to stop the gap from getting wider, to help slow down deteriorating skills, etc…

Don’t be angry at parents or teachers. Be mad at Brabrand and the SB for putting FCPS in this position.