Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread cracks me up.

Native Americans, who mostly call themselves Indians, aren't a monolithic group of people. Tribes fought tribes and drove tribes off lands and were just as warlike as any people anywhere in the world. So what tribe owned the land in the first place? Because they just replaced whoever was there before.

Nor am I sure why some people think borders are racist. I lived for decades outside the US in non white countries and people were certainty very protective of borders and strong cultural identities.

Why do people say things like this? Who cares? How is this relevant to colonizers? It doesn't excuse it.

The 13 colonies were decades ago, literally centuries ago and before the birth of this country. Why are you talking about the colonists?

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Anonymous wrote:My ancestors once owned most of Europe and then got pushed to the edge of the North Atlantic and dominated by England for 1500 years. I seek to know what they did wrong.

That’s probably irrelevant, but if you are a citizen of a country like the UK, which still has colonies, or the US, which is currently violating treaties with tribal governments, you are—as a current citizen of a democratic government—responsible for what *your* country is doing *now* and to address prior wrongs of the country you are a citizen of. You can’t inherit guilt but you do inherit the responsibilities of your country.

I think I have learned that rule number one in human history is don’t lose wars.

You didn't already know that?

I figured it out when I was 3 or 4 and dealing with siblings and classmates.

To the victor go the spoils. I guess people these days want to enjoy the spoils but just don't want the losers to feel bad about it. But, the former have no intention of ever giving up the spoils.

People like Americans and the Brits have the luxury of crying crocodile tears about what our ancestors did because we've typically been on the winning side of history.

Sure, some people will do self-flagellating land acknowledgments and other similar meaningless stuff. But, no, we're not giving American Indians our. That's not how the grown up world works.

So the 523 federally recognized tribes in the US are….not grown-ups? Very white supremacist of you.

The ones who want the colonizers to go home sound pretty childish.

Your viewing this through the wrong lens.

Land-back is not about the colonizers “going home.” It’s about the colonizers giving the land back to its rightful historical heirs - the indigenous peoples of the so-called US. That’s why we have collectively pivoted to Indigenous Peoples day.

Who is "we?" Well-off liberals?

OK, so we give the land back to the tribes. Then what? Do the rest of us live on it like renters or serfs? Do they have to collect the taxes and run the local governments?

We - means just about everybody.

Except you apparently!


https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1087290.page

Still celebrating Columbus Day over here...

An Italian guy, traveling under a Spanish flag, who likely was not the first to land in North America and likely landed in Hispaniola? Don't even start on his atrocities on the people there.

What exactly are you celebrating? And why are you so proud of that?

Columbus' voyage was proof of concept that Europeans could travel to and from the New World, safely and repeatedly. Sure, Vikings made some tentative efforts during the Middle Ages, but they didn't have the technology or economic means to make their colonies permanent. Columbus' journey was a huge turning point in history, and it signifies the beginning of the creation of what we consider the modern world.

Maybe he wasn't a nice person, but people who change history rarely are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread cracks me up.

Native Americans, who mostly call themselves Indians, aren't a monolithic group of people. Tribes fought tribes and drove tribes off lands and were just as warlike as any people anywhere in the world. So what tribe owned the land in the first place? Because they just replaced whoever was there before.

Nor am I sure why some people think borders are racist. I lived for decades outside the US in non white countries and people were certainty very protective of borders and strong cultural identities.

Why do people say things like this? Who cares? How is this relevant to colonizers? It doesn't excuse it.

The 13 colonies were decades ago, literally centuries ago and before the birth of this country. Why are you talking about the colonists?

Because there's been an effort to delegitimize countries like the US, Canada, and Australia as "settler" nations.

The long-term goal of people who call Americans "settlers" and "colonists" is ethnic cleansing and genocide of everyone who can't trace their roots to pre-European times.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread cracks me up.

Native Americans, who mostly call themselves Indians, aren't a monolithic group of people. Tribes fought tribes and drove tribes off lands and were just as warlike as any people anywhere in the world. So what tribe owned the land in the first place? Because they just replaced whoever was there before.

Nor am I sure why some people think borders are racist. I lived for decades outside the US in non white countries and people were certainty very protective of borders and strong cultural identities.

Why do people say things like this? Who cares? How is this relevant to colonizers? It doesn't excuse it.

The 13 colonies were decades ago, literally centuries ago and before the birth of this country. Why are you talking about the colonists?

Because that is how this country that I live it was founded? I would think that is obvious. There are literally people who revel in being descended from pilgrims. Entire societies of people who have had to prove their lineage to those people. And we are responsible, as a country, for our actions, past, present, and future. I'm not responsible for what other countries do but I do support my own taking steps to right past wrongs.

Are you always obtuse?

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Anonymous wrote:My ancestors once owned most of Europe and then got pushed to the edge of the North Atlantic and dominated by England for 1500 years. I seek to know what they did wrong.

That’s probably irrelevant, but if you are a citizen of a country like the UK, which still has colonies, or the US, which is currently violating treaties with tribal governments, you are—as a current citizen of a democratic government—responsible for what *your* country is doing *now* and to address prior wrongs of the country you are a citizen of. You can’t inherit guilt but you do inherit the responsibilities of your country.

I think I have learned that rule number one in human history is don’t lose wars.

You didn't already know that?

I figured it out when I was 3 or 4 and dealing with siblings and classmates.

To the victor go the spoils. I guess people these days want to enjoy the spoils but just don't want the losers to feel bad about it. But, the former have no intention of ever giving up the spoils.

People like Americans and the Brits have the luxury of crying crocodile tears about what our ancestors did because we've typically been on the winning side of history.

Sure, some people will do self-flagellating land acknowledgments and other similar meaningless stuff. But, no, we're not giving American Indians our. That's not how the grown up world works.

So the 523 federally recognized tribes in the US are….not grown-ups? Very white supremacist of you.

The ones who want the colonizers to go home sound pretty childish.

Your viewing this through the wrong lens.

Land-back is not about the colonizers “going home.” It’s about the colonizers giving the land back to its rightful historical heirs - the indigenous peoples of the so-called US. That’s why we have collectively pivoted to Indigenous Peoples day.

Who is "we?" Well-off liberals?

OK, so we give the land back to the tribes. Then what? Do the rest of us live on it like renters or serfs? Do they have to collect the taxes and run the local governments?

We - means just about everybody.

Except you apparently!


https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1087290.page

Still celebrating Columbus Day over here...

An Italian guy, traveling under a Spanish flag, who likely was not the first to land in North America and likely landed in Hispaniola? Don't even start on his atrocities on the people there.

What exactly are you celebrating? And why are you so proud of that?

Columbus' voyage was proof of concept that Europeans could travel to and from the New World, safely and repeatedly. Sure, Vikings made some tentative efforts during the Middle Ages, but they didn't have the technology or economic means to make their colonies permanent. Columbus' journey was a huge turning point in history, and it signifies the beginning of the creation of what we consider the modern world.

Maybe he wasn't a nice person, but people who change history rarely are.

The fact you say he merely wasn't "nice" says a lot about you. None of it good. He was brutal and genocidal.

We don't get taught "columbus discovered Hispaniola." We get taught he sailed the ocean blue and discovered America. Kids are still taught this BS pack of lies.

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Anonymous wrote:My ancestors once owned most of Europe and then got pushed to the edge of the North Atlantic and dominated by England for 1500 years. I seek to know what they did wrong.

That’s probably irrelevant, but if you are a citizen of a country like the UK, which still has colonies, or the US, which is currently violating treaties with tribal governments, you are—as a current citizen of a democratic government—responsible for what *your* country is doing *now* and to address prior wrongs of the country you are a citizen of. You can’t inherit guilt but you do inherit the responsibilities of your country.

I think I have learned that rule number one in human history is don’t lose wars.

You didn't already know that?

I figured it out when I was 3 or 4 and dealing with siblings and classmates.

To the victor go the spoils. I guess people these days want to enjoy the spoils but just don't want the losers to feel bad about it. But, the former have no intention of ever giving up the spoils.

People like Americans and the Brits have the luxury of crying crocodile tears about what our ancestors did because we've typically been on the winning side of history.

Sure, some people will do self-flagellating land acknowledgments and other similar meaningless stuff. But, no, we're not giving American Indians our. That's not how the grown up world works.

So the 523 federally recognized tribes in the US are….not grown-ups? Very white supremacist of you.

The ones who want the colonizers to go home sound pretty childish.

Your viewing this through the wrong lens.

Land-back is not about the colonizers “going home.” It’s about the colonizers giving the land back to its rightful historical heirs - the indigenous peoples of the so-called US. That’s why we have collectively pivoted to Indigenous Peoples day.

Who is "we?" Well-off liberals?

OK, so we give the land back to the tribes. Then what? Do the rest of us live on it like renters or serfs? Do they have to collect the taxes and run the local governments?

We - means just about everybody.

Except you apparently!


https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1087290.page

Still celebrating Columbus Day over here...

An Italian guy, traveling under a Spanish flag, who likely was not the first to land in North America and likely landed in Hispaniola? Don't even start on his atrocities on the people there.

What exactly are you celebrating? And why are you so proud of that?

Columbus' voyage was proof of concept that Europeans could travel to and from the New World, safely and repeatedly. Sure, Vikings made some tentative efforts during the Middle Ages, but they didn't have the technology or economic means to make their colonies permanent. Columbus' journey was a huge turning point in history, and it signifies the beginning of the creation of what we consider the modern world.

Maybe he wasn't a nice person, but people who change history rarely are.

The fact you say he merely wasn't "nice" says a lot about you. None of it good. He was brutal and genocidal.

We don't get taught "columbus discovered Hispaniola." We get taught he sailed the ocean blue and discovered America. Kids are still taught this BS pack of lies.

I'm going to be pedantic about this, but Hispaniola is in the Americas, just like the US. No one is claiming Columbus discovered the entire land mass from Tierra Del Fuego to Ellesmere Island. But his voyage is what opened up the entire land mass to settlement, conquest and colonization. True, if his voyage failed, someone else from Europe would have made it soon after.

And, honestly, whoever discovered the New World, the native populations were screwed. Eurasian diseases are what did the most harm to native populations, and there was nothing anyone could do to prevent them.

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Anonymous wrote:My ancestors once owned most of Europe and then got pushed to the edge of the North Atlantic and dominated by England for 1500 years. I seek to know what they did wrong.

That’s probably irrelevant, but if you are a citizen of a country like the UK, which still has colonies, or the US, which is currently violating treaties with tribal governments, you are—as a current citizen of a democratic government—responsible for what *your* country is doing *now* and to address prior wrongs of the country you are a citizen of. You can’t inherit guilt but you do inherit the responsibilities of your country.

I think I have learned that rule number one in human history is don’t lose wars.

You didn't already know that?

I figured it out when I was 3 or 4 and dealing with siblings and classmates.

To the victor go the spoils. I guess people these days want to enjoy the spoils but just don't want the losers to feel bad about it. But, the former have no intention of ever giving up the spoils.

People like Americans and the Brits have the luxury of crying crocodile tears about what our ancestors did because we've typically been on the winning side of history.

Sure, some people will do self-flagellating land acknowledgments and other similar meaningless stuff. But, no, we're not giving American Indians our. That's not how the grown up world works.

So the 523 federally recognized tribes in the US are….not grown-ups? Very white supremacist of you.

The ones who want the colonizers to go home sound pretty childish.

Your viewing this through the wrong lens.

Land-back is not about the colonizers “going home.” It’s about the colonizers giving the land back to its rightful historical heirs - the indigenous peoples of the so-called US. That’s why we have collectively pivoted to Indigenous Peoples day.

Who is "we?" Well-off liberals?

OK, so we give the land back to the tribes. Then what? Do the rest of us live on it like renters or serfs? Do they have to collect the taxes and run the local governments?

We - means just about everybody.

Except you apparently!


https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1087290.page

Still celebrating Columbus Day over here...

An Italian guy, traveling under a Spanish flag, who likely was not the first to land in North America and likely landed in Hispaniola? Don't even start on his atrocities on the people there.

What exactly are you celebrating? And why are you so proud of that?

Columbus' voyage was proof of concept that Europeans could travel to and from the New World, safely and repeatedly. Sure, Vikings made some tentative efforts during the Middle Ages, but they didn't have the technology or economic means to make their colonies permanent. Columbus' journey was a huge turning point in history, and it signifies the beginning of the creation of what we consider the modern world.

Maybe he wasn't a nice person, but people who change history rarely are.

The fact you say he merely wasn't "nice" says a lot about you. None of it good. He was brutal and genocidal.

We don't get taught "columbus discovered Hispaniola." We get taught he sailed the ocean blue and discovered America. Kids are still taught this BS pack of lies.

I'm going to be pedantic about this, but Hispaniola is in the Americas, just like the US. No one is claiming Columbus discovered the entire land mass from Tierra Del Fuego to Ellesmere Island. But his voyage is what opened up the entire land mass to settlement, conquest and colonization. True, if his voyage failed, someone else from Europe would have made it soon after.

And, honestly, whoever discovered the New World, the native populations were screwed. Eurasian diseases are what did the most harm to native populations, and there was nothing anyone could do to prevent them.

True. Just like Europe's population was devastated by the Black Plague in the 14th century, which came from Asia.

The settling of the New World was going to be unavoidable. Even the Native Americans themselves were settlers. Humans are migratory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread cracks me up.

Native Americans, who mostly call themselves Indians, aren't a monolithic group of people. Tribes fought tribes and drove tribes off lands and were just as warlike as any people anywhere in the world. So what tribe owned the land in the first place? Because they just replaced whoever was there before.

Nor am I sure why some people think borders are racist. I lived for decades outside the US in non white countries and people were certainty very protective of borders and strong cultural identities.

Why do people say things like this? Who cares? How is this relevant to colonizers? It doesn't excuse it.

The 13 colonies were decades ago, literally centuries ago and before the birth of this country. Why are you talking about the colonists?

Because that is how this country that I live it was founded? I would think that is obvious. There are literally people who revel in being descended from pilgrims. Entire societies of people who have had to prove their lineage to those people. And we are responsible, as a country, for our actions, past, present, and future. I'm not responsible for what other countries do but I do support my own taking steps to right past wrongs.

Are you always obtuse?

Now who is being obtuse? I disagree vehemently with "colonizer" and "oppressor" language.

If you like it, then say so. I will have nothing to do with it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread cracks me up.

Native Americans, who mostly call themselves Indians, aren't a monolithic group of people. Tribes fought tribes and drove tribes off lands and were just as warlike as any people anywhere in the world. So what tribe owned the land in the first place? Because they just replaced whoever was there before.

Nor am I sure why some people think borders are racist. I lived for decades outside the US in non white countries and people were certainty very protective of borders and strong cultural identities.

Why do people say things like this? Who cares? How is this relevant to colonizers? It doesn't excuse it.

The 13 colonies were decades ago, literally centuries ago and before the birth of this country. Why are you talking about the colonists?

Because there's been an effort to delegitimize countries like the US, Canada, and Australia as "settler" nations.

The long-term goal of people who call Americans "settlers" and "colonists" is ethnic cleansing and genocide of everyone who can't trace their roots to pre-European times.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My ancestors once owned most of Europe and then got pushed to the edge of the North Atlantic and dominated by England for 1500 years. I seek to know what they did wrong.

That’s probably irrelevant, but if you are a citizen of a country like the UK, which still has colonies, or the US, which is currently violating treaties with tribal governments, you are—as a current citizen of a democratic government—responsible for what *your* country is doing *now* and to address prior wrongs of the country you are a citizen of. You can’t inherit guilt but you do inherit the responsibilities of your country.

I think I have learned that rule number one in human history is don’t lose wars.

You didn't already know that?

I figured it out when I was 3 or 4 and dealing with siblings and classmates.

To the victor go the spoils. I guess people these days want to enjoy the spoils but just don't want the losers to feel bad about it. But, the former have no intention of ever giving up the spoils.

People like Americans and the Brits have the luxury of crying crocodile tears about what our ancestors did because we've typically been on the winning side of history.

Sure, some people will do self-flagellating land acknowledgments and other similar meaningless stuff. But, no, we're not giving American Indians our. That's not how the grown up world works.

So the 523 federally recognized tribes in the US are….not grown-ups? Very white supremacist of you.

The ones who want the colonizers to go home sound pretty childish.

Your viewing this through the wrong lens.

Land-back is not about the colonizers “going home.” It’s about the colonizers giving the land back to its rightful historical heirs - the indigenous peoples of the so-called US. That’s why we have collectively pivoted to Indigenous Peoples day.

Who is "we?" Well-off liberals?

OK, so we give the land back to the tribes. Then what? Do the rest of us live on it like renters or serfs? Do they have to collect the taxes and run the local governments?

We - means just about everybody.

Except you apparently!


https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1087290.page

Still celebrating Columbus Day over here...

An Italian guy, traveling under a Spanish flag, who likely was not the first to land in North America and likely landed in Hispaniola? Don't even start on his atrocities on the people there.

What exactly are you celebrating? And why are you so proud of that?

Columbus' voyage was proof of concept that Europeans could travel to and from the New World, safely and repeatedly. Sure, Vikings made some tentative efforts during the Middle Ages, but they didn't have the technology or economic means to make their colonies permanent. Columbus' journey was a huge turning point in history, and it signifies the beginning of the creation of what we consider the modern world.

Maybe he wasn't a nice person, but people who change history rarely are.

The fact you say he merely wasn't "nice" says a lot about you. None of it good. He was brutal and genocidal.

We don't get taught "columbus discovered Hispaniola." We get taught he sailed the ocean blue and discovered America. Kids are still taught this BS pack of lies.

Wow. You really are impressionable. It’s fascinating to see the social hysteria of the last few years where everyone is sort angrily grilling people from long ago. Move on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My ancestors once owned most of Europe and then got pushed to the edge of the North Atlantic and dominated by England for 1500 years. I seek to know what they did wrong.

That’s probably irrelevant, but if you are a citizen of a country like the UK, which still has colonies, or the US, which is currently violating treaties with tribal governments, you are—as a current citizen of a democratic government—responsible for what *your* country is doing *now* and to address prior wrongs of the country you are a citizen of. You can’t inherit guilt but you do inherit the responsibilities of your country.

I think I have learned that rule number one in human history is don’t lose wars.

You didn't already know that?

I figured it out when I was 3 or 4 and dealing with siblings and classmates.

To the victor go the spoils. I guess people these days want to enjoy the spoils but just don't want the losers to feel bad about it. But, the former have no intention of ever giving up the spoils.

People like Americans and the Brits have the luxury of crying crocodile tears about what our ancestors did because we've typically been on the winning side of history.

Sure, some people will do self-flagellating land acknowledgments and other similar meaningless stuff. But, no, we're not giving American Indians our. That's not how the grown up world works.

So the 523 federally recognized tribes in the US are….not grown-ups? Very white supremacist of you.

The ones who want the colonizers to go home sound pretty childish.

Your viewing this through the wrong lens.

Land-back is not about the colonizers “going home.” It’s about the colonizers giving the land back to its rightful historical heirs - the indigenous peoples of the so-called US. That’s why we have collectively pivoted to Indigenous Peoples day.

Who is "we?" Well-off liberals?

OK, so we give the land back to the tribes. Then what? Do the rest of us live on it like renters or serfs? Do they have to collect the taxes and run the local governments?

We - means just about everybody.

Except you apparently!


https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1087290.page

Still celebrating Columbus Day over here...

An Italian guy, traveling under a Spanish flag, who likely was not the first to land in North America and likely landed in Hispaniola? Don't even start on his atrocities on the people there.

What exactly are you celebrating? And why are you so proud of that?

Columbus' voyage was proof of concept that Europeans could travel to and from the New World, safely and repeatedly. Sure, Vikings made some tentative efforts during the Middle Ages, but they didn't have the technology or economic means to make their colonies permanent. Columbus' journey was a huge turning point in history, and it signifies the beginning of the creation of what we consider the modern world.

Maybe he wasn't a nice person, but people who change history rarely are.

The fact you say he merely wasn't "nice" says a lot about you. None of it good. He was brutal and genocidal.

We don't get taught "columbus discovered Hispaniola." We get taught he sailed the ocean blue and discovered America. Kids are still taught this BS pack of lies.

Wow. You really are impressionable. It’s fascinating to see the social hysteria of the last few years where everyone is sort angrily grilling people from long ago. Move on.

It all just seems so performative. As if, because of this recent groupthink among progressives or whoever, that we’re all supposed to now hate Christopher Columbus. Most people give zero fcks about Columbus. This is outrage at things that happens centuries ago. Are we all supposed to be mad about sht that happens in Sumeria ages ago? Also, if you really are so upset why are living in America? Shouldn’t you trace where you’re originally from based on genealogy and go there so it’s more just?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My ancestors once owned most of Europe and then got pushed to the edge of the North Atlantic and dominated by England for 1500 years. I seek to know what they did wrong.

That’s probably irrelevant, but if you are a citizen of a country like the UK, which still has colonies, or the US, which is currently violating treaties with tribal governments, you are—as a current citizen of a democratic government—responsible for what *your* country is doing *now* and to address prior wrongs of the country you are a citizen of. You can’t inherit guilt but you do inherit the responsibilities of your country.

I think I have learned that rule number one in human history is don’t lose wars.

You didn't already know that?

I figured it out when I was 3 or 4 and dealing with siblings and classmates.

To the victor go the spoils. I guess people these days want to enjoy the spoils but just don't want the losers to feel bad about it. But, the former have no intention of ever giving up the spoils.

People like Americans and the Brits have the luxury of crying crocodile tears about what our ancestors did because we've typically been on the winning side of history.

Sure, some people will do self-flagellating land acknowledgments and other similar meaningless stuff. But, no, we're not giving American Indians our. That's not how the grown up world works.

So the 523 federally recognized tribes in the US are….not grown-ups? Very white supremacist of you.

The ones who want the colonizers to go home sound pretty childish.

Your viewing this through the wrong lens.

Land-back is not about the colonizers “going home.” It’s about the colonizers giving the land back to its rightful historical heirs - the indigenous peoples of the so-called US. That’s why we have collectively pivoted to Indigenous Peoples day.

Who is "we?" Well-off liberals?

OK, so we give the land back to the tribes. Then what? Do the rest of us live on it like renters or serfs? Do they have to collect the taxes and run the local governments?

We - means just about everybody.

Except you apparently!


https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1087290.page

Still celebrating Columbus Day over here...

An Italian guy, traveling under a Spanish flag, who likely was not the first to land in North America and likely landed in Hispaniola? Don't even start on his atrocities on the people there.

What exactly are you celebrating? And why are you so proud of that?

Columbus' voyage was proof of concept that Europeans could travel to and from the New World, safely and repeatedly. Sure, Vikings made some tentative efforts during the Middle Ages, but they didn't have the technology or economic means to make their colonies permanent. Columbus' journey was a huge turning point in history, and it signifies the beginning of the creation of what we consider the modern world.

Maybe he wasn't a nice person, but people who change history rarely are.

The fact you say he merely wasn't "nice" says a lot about you. None of it good. He was brutal and genocidal.

We don't get taught "columbus discovered Hispaniola." We get taught he sailed the ocean blue and discovered America. Kids are still taught this BS pack of lies.

Wow. You really are impressionable. It’s fascinating to see the social hysteria of the last few years where everyone is sort angrily grilling people from long ago. Move on.

It all just seems so performative. As if, because of this recent groupthink among progressives or whoever, that we’re all supposed to now hate Christopher Columbus. Most people give zero fcks about Columbus. This is outrage at things that happens centuries ago. Are we all supposed to be mad about sht that happens in Sumeria ages ago? Also, if you really are so upset why are living in America? Shouldn’t you trace where you’re originally from based on genealogy and go there so it’s more just?

Do they get federal holidays?

[Anonymous]

Look, I'm sorry the native Americans lost. Civilizations come ago go as they get conquered. All of central America and South America too had indigenous Indians at one point who got conquered by invaders. You think they're going to give land back to indigenous tribes?

It's called history. I'm sorry some people cannot handle the fact that history is violent, brutal and oppressive. Where does it stop if we go down this slippery slope? I guess Italy gets to reclaim land across all of Europe and Africa too because those lands were stolen from the Roman Empire?

Enough with the zainy ideas already.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look, I'm sorry the native Americans lost. Civilizations come ago go as they get conquered. All of central America and South America too had indigenous Indians at one point who got conquered by invaders. You think they're going to give land back to indigenous tribes?

It's called history. I'm sorry some people cannot handle the fact that history is violent, brutal and oppressive. Where does it stop if we go down this slippery slope? I guess Italy gets to reclaim land across all of Europe and Africa too because those lands were stolen from the Roman Empire?

Enough with the zainy ideas already.

Just do the treaty lands and get rid of Columbus Day

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look, I'm sorry the native Americans lost. Civilizations come ago go as they get conquered. All of central America and South America too had indigenous Indians at one point who got conquered by invaders. You think they're going to give land back to indigenous tribes?

It's called history. I'm sorry some people cannot handle the fact that history is violent, brutal and oppressive. Where does it stop if we go down this slippery slope? I guess Italy gets to reclaim land across all of Europe and Africa too because those lands were stolen from the Roman Empire?

Enough with the zainy ideas already.

Just do the treaty lands and get rid of Columbus Day

How are you going to make that happen?