Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but Native Americans aren’t native to the Americas, either. They came from Asia. No hominid species is native to the New World.

They were merely the first modern humans to live in the Americas. But they’re not native to here. No human is. We are all an introduced species.


Science is real.

How do we know they did not displace some other, truly native, American group?

Because the current fossil record, and known DNA, do not support that.

Hominids evolved in Africa, and spread to the rest of the world from there. There was no parallel evolution occurring on different continents. Africa is the ONLY place on earth where modern humans are actually native to.

Actually you cannot prove a negative.

Who knows, perhaps next year some new finding will prove that some other dudes were here before so-called NAs.

Parallel evolution of another sapient species in the Americas would be one of the greatest discoveries in human history. That would be mind-blowing, to say the least.

While all hominids originated in Africa, the Clovis people are the currently accepted first hominids in the Americas but there is some evidence that other people were here long before them.

Science is real, and science supports a human presence predating Clovis people’s’ presence in the Americas.

Which still doesn't mean that their descendants are owed the Western Hemisphere...

You can start by either moving non-tribal members off any land within current treaty borders or paying rent (US or state government can pay the rent instead of the private landowner, that's fine). Here is the map showing the treaty lands:

When the Land Back people are ready to forcibly move all of the people they think are on their land, they can do so. Maybe they'll have more success than Russia is having right now in taking back (annexing) their rightful land.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but Native Americans aren’t native to the Americas, either. They came from Asia. No hominid species is native to the New World.

They were merely the first modern humans to live in the Americas. But they’re not native to here. No human is. We are all an introduced species.


Science is real.

How do we know they did not displace some other, truly native, American group?

Because the current fossil record, and known DNA, do not support that.

Hominids evolved in Africa, and spread to the rest of the world from there. There was no parallel evolution occurring on different continents. Africa is the ONLY place on earth where modern humans are actually native to.

Actually you cannot prove a negative.

Who knows, perhaps next year some new finding will prove that some other dudes were here before so-called NAs.

Parallel evolution of another sapient species in the Americas would be one of the greatest discoveries in human history. That would be mind-blowing, to say the least.

While all hominids originated in Africa, the Clovis people are the currently accepted first hominids in the Americas but there is some evidence that other people were here long before them.

Science is real, and science supports a human presence predating Clovis people’s’ presence in the Americas.

Which still doesn't mean that their descendants are owed the Western Hemisphere...

You can start by either moving non-tribal members off any land within current treaty borders or paying rent (US or state government can pay the rent instead of the private landowner, that's fine). Here is the map showing the treaty lands:

For those of you who don't think you are living on "stolen land" -- the treaties, ratified by the Senate and signed by the President, typically establish fixed borders for a “permanent home for the _____ nation of Indians” and say that the United States grants title "to the ____ nation of Indians for the land” to continue “so long as they shall exist as a nation" and "“no portion of the lands will ever be embraced or included within, or annexed to, any Territory or State."

Only both parties to a treaty can renegotiate a treaty.


(1) Once a federal reservation is established, only Congress can diminish or disestablish it. Doing so requires a clear expression of con- gressional intent. Pp. 6–8.

Unless I'm reading that map incorrectly, what you're proposing would result in the potential displacement of tens of millions of Americans, or requiring the loss of property rights for those people.

If you think that's anywhere near the realm of realm of reality, you're delusional.

Agree 100%.

This “land back” is an absurdity; a total non-starter.

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I think I will make a point to keep calling it Columbus Day.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but Native Americans aren’t native to the Americas, either. They came from Asia. No hominid species is native to the New World.

They were merely the first modern humans to live in the Americas. But they’re not native to here. No human is. We are all an introduced species.


Science is real.

How do we know they did not displace some other, truly native, American group?

Because the current fossil record, and known DNA, do not support that.

Hominids evolved in Africa, and spread to the rest of the world from there. There was no parallel evolution occurring on different continents. Africa is the ONLY place on earth where modern humans are actually native to.

Actually you cannot prove a negative.

Who knows, perhaps next year some new finding will prove that some other dudes were here before so-called NAs.

Parallel evolution of another sapient species in the Americas would be one of the greatest discoveries in human history. That would be mind-blowing, to say the least.

While all hominids originated in Africa, the Clovis people are the currently accepted first hominids in the Americas but there is some evidence that other people were here long before them.

Science is real, and science supports a human presence predating Clovis people’s’ presence in the Americas.

Which still doesn't mean that their descendants are owed the Western Hemisphere...

You can start by either moving non-tribal members off any land within current treaty borders or paying rent (US or state government can pay the rent instead of the private landowner, that's fine). Here is the map showing the treaty lands:

For those of you who don't think you are living on "stolen land" -- the treaties, ratified by the Senate and signed by the President, typically establish fixed borders for a “permanent home for the _____ nation of Indians” and say that the United States grants title "to the ____ nation of Indians for the land” to continue “so long as they shall exist as a nation" and "“no portion of the lands will ever be embraced or included within, or annexed to, any Territory or State."

Only both parties to a treaty can renegotiate a treaty.


(1) Once a federal reservation is established, only Congress can diminish or disestablish it. Doing so requires a clear expression of con- gressional intent. Pp. 6–8.

Unless I'm reading that map incorrectly, what you're proposing would result in the potential displacement of tens of millions of Americans, or requiring the loss of property rights for those people.

If you think that's anywhere near the realm of realm of reality, you're delusional.

Yes because that it literally what the people who took the land from the tribes did

They displaced them and deprived them of their property rights

With the last 100-150 years

And the people on the land now still benefit from that, no one along the way has compensated the tribes for the loss

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but Native Americans aren’t native to the Americas, either. They came from Asia. No hominid species is native to the New World.

They were merely the first modern humans to live in the Americas. But they’re not native to here. No human is. We are all an introduced species.


Science is real.

How do we know they did not displace some other, truly native, American group?

Because the current fossil record, and known DNA, do not support that.

Hominids evolved in Africa, and spread to the rest of the world from there. There was no parallel evolution occurring on different continents. Africa is the ONLY place on earth where modern humans are actually native to.

Actually you cannot prove a negative.

Who knows, perhaps next year some new finding will prove that some other dudes were here before so-called NAs.

Parallel evolution of another sapient species in the Americas would be one of the greatest discoveries in human history. That would be mind-blowing, to say the least.

While all hominids originated in Africa, the Clovis people are the currently accepted first hominids in the Americas but there is some evidence that other people were here long before them.

Science is real, and science supports a human presence predating Clovis people’s’ presence in the Americas.

Which still doesn't mean that their descendants are owed the Western Hemisphere...

You can start by either moving non-tribal members off any land within current treaty borders or paying rent (US or state government can pay the rent instead of the private landowner, that's fine). Here is the map showing the treaty lands:

For those of you who don't think you are living on "stolen land" -- the treaties, ratified by the Senate and signed by the President, typically establish fixed borders for a “permanent home for the _____ nation of Indians” and say that the United States grants title "to the ____ nation of Indians for the land” to continue “so long as they shall exist as a nation" and "“no portion of the lands will ever be embraced or included within, or annexed to, any Territory or State."

Only both parties to a treaty can renegotiate a treaty.


(1) Once a federal reservation is established, only Congress can diminish or disestablish it. Doing so requires a clear expression of con- gressional intent. Pp. 6–8.

Unless I'm reading that map incorrectly, what you're proposing would result in the potential displacement of tens of millions of Americans, or requiring the loss of property rights for those people.

If you think that's anywhere near the realm of realm of reality, you're delusional.

Yes because that it literally what the people who took the land from the tribes did

They displaced them and deprived them of their property rights

With the last 100-150 years

And the people on the land now still benefit from that, no one along the way has compensated the tribes for the loss

So I guess you just identified the one progressive policy that would have me joining the red side in a (civil war, invasion?). I'm not giving up my money, citizenship, or property for old treaties. Seems like Democrats are going to need to head this crap off before it hits Twitter and eclipses defunding the police.

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Anonymous wrote:Most of us are living on stolen land.

Uh yet we aren't welcome in our ancestral lands. Would love it if I were allowed to move back, but I can't.

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Where am I native to, if not where I was born?

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but Native Americans aren’t native to the Americas, either. They came from Asia. No hominid species is native to the New World.

They were merely the first modern humans to live in the Americas. But they’re not native to here. No human is. We are all an introduced species.


Science is real.

How do we know they did not displace some other, truly native, American group?

Because the current fossil record, and known DNA, do not support that.

Hominids evolved in Africa, and spread to the rest of the world from there. There was no parallel evolution occurring on different continents. Africa is the ONLY place on earth where modern humans are actually native to.

Actually you cannot prove a negative.

Who knows, perhaps next year some new finding will prove that some other dudes were here before so-called NAs.

Parallel evolution of another sapient species in the Americas would be one of the greatest discoveries in human history. That would be mind-blowing, to say the least.

While all hominids originated in Africa, the Clovis people are the currently accepted first hominids in the Americas but there is some evidence that other people were here long before them.

Science is real, and science supports a human presence predating Clovis people’s’ presence in the Americas.

Which still doesn't mean that their descendants are owed the Western Hemisphere...

You can start by either moving non-tribal members off any land within current treaty borders or paying rent (US or state government can pay the rent instead of the private landowner, that's fine). Here is the map showing the treaty lands:

They’re welcome to fight it out with the current owners of my land - Capitol One. If they can take it from the mortgage company, I guess it’s theirs.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but Native Americans aren’t native to the Americas, either. They came from Asia. No hominid species is native to the New World.

They were merely the first modern humans to live in the Americas. But they’re not native to here. No human is. We are all an introduced species.


Science is real.

How do we know they did not displace some other, truly native, American group?

Because the current fossil record, and known DNA, do not support that.

Hominids evolved in Africa, and spread to the rest of the world from there. There was no parallel evolution occurring on different continents. Africa is the ONLY place on earth where modern humans are actually native to.

Actually you cannot prove a negative.

Who knows, perhaps next year some new finding will prove that some other dudes were here before so-called NAs.

Parallel evolution of another sapient species in the Americas would be one of the greatest discoveries in human history. That would be mind-blowing, to say the least.

While all hominids originated in Africa, the Clovis people are the currently accepted first hominids in the Americas but there is some evidence that other people were here long before them.

Science is real, and science supports a human presence predating Clovis people’s’ presence in the Americas.

Clovis sites are just the oldest sites we were currently aware of until recently. But all that means is that humans came here earlier than thought.

They did NOT evolve here independently and simultaneously as humans in Africa. Human DNA simply doesn’t support that.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but Native Americans aren’t native to the Americas, either. They came from Asia. No hominid species is native to the New World.

They were merely the first modern humans to live in the Americas. But they’re not native to here. No human is. We are all an introduced species.


Science is real.

How do we know they did not displace some other, truly native, American group?

Because the current fossil record, and known DNA, do not support that.

Hominids evolved in Africa, and spread to the rest of the world from there. There was no parallel evolution occurring on different continents. Africa is the ONLY place on earth where modern humans are actually native to.

Actually you cannot prove a negative.

Who knows, perhaps next year some new finding will prove that some other dudes were here before so-called NAs.

Parallel evolution of another sapient species in the Americas would be one of the greatest discoveries in human history. That would be mind-blowing, to say the least.

While all hominids originated in Africa, the Clovis people are the currently accepted first hominids in the Americas but there is some evidence that other people were here long before them.

Science is real, and science supports a human presence predating Clovis people’s’ presence in the Americas.

Which still doesn't mean that their descendants are owed the Western Hemisphere...

You can start by either moving non-tribal members off any land within current treaty borders or paying rent (US or state government can pay the rent instead of the private landowner, that's fine). Here is the map showing the treaty lands:

For those of you who don't think you are living on "stolen land" -- the treaties, ratified by the Senate and signed by the President, typically establish fixed borders for a “permanent home for the _____ nation of Indians” and say that the United States grants title "to the ____ nation of Indians for the land” to continue “so long as they shall exist as a nation" and "“no portion of the lands will ever be embraced or included within, or annexed to, any Territory or State."

Only both parties to a treaty can renegotiate a treaty.


(1) Once a federal reservation is established, only Congress can diminish or disestablish it. Doing so requires a clear expression of con- gressional intent. Pp. 6–8.

Unless I'm reading that map incorrectly, what you're proposing would result in the potential displacement of tens of millions of Americans, or requiring the loss of property rights for those people.

If you think that's anywhere near the realm of realm of reality, you're delusional.

Yes because that it literally what the people who took the land from the tribes did

They displaced them and deprived them of their property rights

With the last 100-150 years

And the people on the land now still benefit from that, no one along the way has compensated the tribes for the loss

So I guess you just identified the one progressive policy that would have me joining the red side in a (civil war, invasion?). I'm not giving up my money, citizenship, or property for old treaties. Seems like Democrats are going to need to head this crap off before it hits Twitter and eclipses defunding the police.

Current treaties

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but Native Americans aren’t native to the Americas, either. They came from Asia. No hominid species is native to the New World.

They were merely the first modern humans to live in the Americas. But they’re not native to here. No human is. We are all an introduced species.


Science is real.

How do we know they did not displace some other, truly native, American group?

Because the current fossil record, and known DNA, do not support that.

Hominids evolved in Africa, and spread to the rest of the world from there. There was no parallel evolution occurring on different continents. Africa is the ONLY place on earth where modern humans are actually native to.

Actually you cannot prove a negative.

Who knows, perhaps next year some new finding will prove that some other dudes were here before so-called NAs.

Parallel evolution of another sapient species in the Americas would be one of the greatest discoveries in human history. That would be mind-blowing, to say the least.

While all hominids originated in Africa, the Clovis people are the currently accepted first hominids in the Americas but there is some evidence that other people were here long before them.

Science is real, and science supports a human presence predating Clovis people’s’ presence in the Americas.

Which still doesn't mean that their descendants are owed the Western Hemisphere...

You can start by either moving non-tribal members off any land within current treaty borders or paying rent (US or state government can pay the rent instead of the private landowner, that's fine). Here is the map showing the treaty lands:

For those of you who don't think you are living on "stolen land" -- the treaties, ratified by the Senate and signed by the President, typically establish fixed borders for a “permanent home for the _____ nation of Indians” and say that the United States grants title "to the ____ nation of Indians for the land” to continue “so long as they shall exist as a nation" and "“no portion of the lands will ever be embraced or included within, or annexed to, any Territory or State."

Only both parties to a treaty can renegotiate a treaty.


(1) Once a federal reservation is established, only Congress can diminish or disestablish it. Doing so requires a clear expression of con- gressional intent. Pp. 6–8.

Unless I'm reading that map incorrectly, what you're proposing would result in the potential displacement of tens of millions of Americans, or requiring the loss of property rights for those people.

If you think that's anywhere near the realm of realm of reality, you're delusional.

Yes because that it literally what the people who took the land from the tribes did

They displaced them and deprived them of their property rights

With the last 100-150 years

And the people on the land now still benefit from that, no one along the way has compensated the tribes for the loss

Americans who own that land now aren't giving it up without violence. I certainly wouldn't.

Again, you're delusional if you think this is some sort of realistic goal.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but Native Americans aren’t native to the Americas, either. They came from Asia. No hominid species is native to the New World.

They were merely the first modern humans to live in the Americas. But they’re not native to here. No human is. We are all an introduced species.


Science is real.

How do we know they did not displace some other, truly native, American group?

Because the current fossil record, and known DNA, do not support that.

Hominids evolved in Africa, and spread to the rest of the world from there. There was no parallel evolution occurring on different continents. Africa is the ONLY place on earth where modern humans are actually native to.

Actually you cannot prove a negative.

Who knows, perhaps next year some new finding will prove that some other dudes were here before so-called NAs.

Parallel evolution of another sapient species in the Americas would be one of the greatest discoveries in human history. That would be mind-blowing, to say the least.

While all hominids originated in Africa, the Clovis people are the currently accepted first hominids in the Americas but there is some evidence that other people were here long before them.

Science is real, and science supports a human presence predating Clovis people’s’ presence in the Americas.

Which still doesn't mean that their descendants are owed the Western Hemisphere...

You can start by either moving non-tribal members off any land within current treaty borders or paying rent (US or state government can pay the rent instead of the private landowner, that's fine). Here is the map showing the treaty lands:

For those of you who don't think you are living on "stolen land" -- the treaties, ratified by the Senate and signed by the President, typically establish fixed borders for a “permanent home for the _____ nation of Indians” and say that the United States grants title "to the ____ nation of Indians for the land” to continue “so long as they shall exist as a nation" and "“no portion of the lands will ever be embraced or included within, or annexed to, any Territory or State."

Only both parties to a treaty can renegotiate a treaty.


(1) Once a federal reservation is established, only Congress can diminish or disestablish it. Doing so requires a clear expression of con- gressional intent. Pp. 6–8.

Unless I'm reading that map incorrectly, what you're proposing would result in the potential displacement of tens of millions of Americans, or requiring the loss of property rights for those people.

If you think that's anywhere near the realm of realm of reality, you're delusional.

Yes because that it literally what the people who took the land from the tribes did

They displaced them and deprived them of their property rights

With the last 100-150 years

And the people on the land now still benefit from that, no one along the way has compensated the tribes for the loss

Americans who own that land now aren't giving it up without violence. I certainly wouldn't.

Again, you're delusional if you think this is some sort of realistic goal.

Those that are demanding their land back are vastly outnumbered. They didn't win the first time around what makes them think they have a snowballs chance in hell this time? Waste of time.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but Native Americans aren’t native to the Americas, either. They came from Asia. No hominid species is native to the New World.

They were merely the first modern humans to live in the Americas. But they’re not native to here. No human is. We are all an introduced species.


Science is real.

How do we know they did not displace some other, truly native, American group?

Because the current fossil record, and known DNA, do not support that.

Hominids evolved in Africa, and spread to the rest of the world from there. There was no parallel evolution occurring on different continents. Africa is the ONLY place on earth where modern humans are actually native to.

Actually you cannot prove a negative.

Who knows, perhaps next year some new finding will prove that some other dudes were here before so-called NAs.

Parallel evolution of another sapient species in the Americas would be one of the greatest discoveries in human history. That would be mind-blowing, to say the least.

While all hominids originated in Africa, the Clovis people are the currently accepted first hominids in the Americas but there is some evidence that other people were here long before them.

Science is real, and science supports a human presence predating Clovis people’s’ presence in the Americas.

Which still doesn't mean that their descendants are owed the Western Hemisphere...

You can start by either moving non-tribal members off any land within current treaty borders or paying rent (US or state government can pay the rent instead of the private landowner, that's fine). Here is the map showing the treaty lands:

For those of you who don't think you are living on "stolen land" -- the treaties, ratified by the Senate and signed by the President, typically establish fixed borders for a “permanent home for the _____ nation of Indians” and say that the United States grants title "to the ____ nation of Indians for the land” to continue “so long as they shall exist as a nation" and "“no portion of the lands will ever be embraced or included within, or annexed to, any Territory or State."

Only both parties to a treaty can renegotiate a treaty.


(1) Once a federal reservation is established, only Congress can diminish or disestablish it. Doing so requires a clear expression of con- gressional intent. Pp. 6–8.

Unless I'm reading that map incorrectly, what you're proposing would result in the potential displacement of tens of millions of Americans, or requiring the loss of property rights for those people.

If you think that's anywhere near the realm of realm of reality, you're delusional.

Yes because that it literally what the people who took the land from the tribes did

They displaced them and deprived them of their property rights

With the last 100-150 years

And the people on the land now still benefit from that, no one along the way has compensated the tribes for the loss

Americans who own that land now aren't giving it up without violence. I certainly wouldn't.

Again, you're delusional if you think this is some sort of realistic goal.

It's not going to be violence, this would be litigated through the courts and pursued through new legislative remedies (e.g., payments for treaty violations). Are you saying you would contact your legislators and tell them to vote against the tribes' pursuit of their treaty rights?

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but Native Americans aren’t native to the Americas, either. They came from Asia. No hominid species is native to the New World.

They were merely the first modern humans to live in the Americas. But they’re not native to here. No human is. We are all an introduced species.


Science is real.

How do we know they did not displace some other, truly native, American group?

Because the current fossil record, and known DNA, do not support that.

Hominids evolved in Africa, and spread to the rest of the world from there. There was no parallel evolution occurring on different continents. Africa is the ONLY place on earth where modern humans are actually native to.

Actually you cannot prove a negative.

Who knows, perhaps next year some new finding will prove that some other dudes were here before so-called NAs.

Parallel evolution of another sapient species in the Americas would be one of the greatest discoveries in human history. That would be mind-blowing, to say the least.

While all hominids originated in Africa, the Clovis people are the currently accepted first hominids in the Americas but there is some evidence that other people were here long before them.

Science is real, and science supports a human presence predating Clovis people’s’ presence in the Americas.

Which still doesn't mean that their descendants are owed the Western Hemisphere...

You can start by either moving non-tribal members off any land within current treaty borders or paying rent (US or state government can pay the rent instead of the private landowner, that's fine). Here is the map showing the treaty lands:

For those of you who don't think you are living on "stolen land" -- the treaties, ratified by the Senate and signed by the President, typically establish fixed borders for a “permanent home for the _____ nation of Indians” and say that the United States grants title "to the ____ nation of Indians for the land” to continue “so long as they shall exist as a nation" and "“no portion of the lands will ever be embraced or included within, or annexed to, any Territory or State."

Only both parties to a treaty can renegotiate a treaty.


(1) Once a federal reservation is established, only Congress can diminish or disestablish it. Doing so requires a clear expression of con- gressional intent. Pp. 6–8.

Unless I'm reading that map incorrectly, what you're proposing would result in the potential displacement of tens of millions of Americans, or requiring the loss of property rights for those people.

If you think that's anywhere near the realm of realm of reality, you're delusional.

Yes because that it literally what the people who took the land from the tribes did

They displaced them and deprived them of their property rights

With the last 100-150 years

And the people on the land now still benefit from that, no one along the way has compensated the tribes for the loss

Americans who own that land now aren't giving it up without violence. I certainly wouldn't.

Again, you're delusional if you think this is some sort of realistic goal.

It's not going to be violence, this would be litigated through the courts and pursued through new legislative remedies (e.g., payments for treaty violations). Are you saying you would contact your legislators and tell them to vote against the tribes' pursuit of their treaty rights?

If the courts take half the country away, the courts will lose their legitimacy and authority and will be ignored. Courts are only respected as long as they are respected.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but Native Americans aren’t native to the Americas, either. They came from Asia. No hominid species is native to the New World.

They were merely the first modern humans to live in the Americas. But they’re not native to here. No human is. We are all an introduced species.


Science is real.

How do we know they did not displace some other, truly native, American group?

Because the current fossil record, and known DNA, do not support that.

Hominids evolved in Africa, and spread to the rest of the world from there. There was no parallel evolution occurring on different continents. Africa is the ONLY place on earth where modern humans are actually native to.

Actually you cannot prove a negative.

Who knows, perhaps next year some new finding will prove that some other dudes were here before so-called NAs.

Parallel evolution of another sapient species in the Americas would be one of the greatest discoveries in human history. That would be mind-blowing, to say the least.

While all hominids originated in Africa, the Clovis people are the currently accepted first hominids in the Americas but there is some evidence that other people were here long before them.

Science is real, and science supports a human presence predating Clovis people’s’ presence in the Americas.

Which still doesn't mean that their descendants are owed the Western Hemisphere...

You can start by either moving non-tribal members off any land within current treaty borders or paying rent (US or state government can pay the rent instead of the private landowner, that's fine). Here is the map showing the treaty lands:

For those of you who don't think you are living on "stolen land" -- the treaties, ratified by the Senate and signed by the President, typically establish fixed borders for a “permanent home for the _____ nation of Indians” and say that the United States grants title "to the ____ nation of Indians for the land” to continue “so long as they shall exist as a nation" and "“no portion of the lands will ever be embraced or included within, or annexed to, any Territory or State."

Only both parties to a treaty can renegotiate a treaty.


(1) Once a federal reservation is established, only Congress can diminish or disestablish it. Doing so requires a clear expression of con- gressional intent. Pp. 6–8.

Unless I'm reading that map incorrectly, what you're proposing would result in the potential displacement of tens of millions of Americans, or requiring the loss of property rights for those people.

If you think that's anywhere near the realm of realm of reality, you're delusional.

Yes because that it literally what the people who took the land from the tribes did

They displaced them and deprived them of their property rights

With the last 100-150 years

And the people on the land now still benefit from that, no one along the way has compensated the tribes for the loss

Americans who own that land now aren't giving it up without violence. I certainly wouldn't.

Again, you're delusional if you think this is some sort of realistic goal.

It's not going to be violence, this would be litigated through the courts and pursued through new legislative remedies (e.g., payments for treaty violations). Are you saying you would contact your legislators and tell them to vote against the tribes' pursuit of their treaty rights?

If the US government violated treaty rights, then the US government should pay damages to the respective tribes. But, if the courts tried to take property from its current private owners, I would certainly support overturning that decisions. I can certainly see the Federal government having to give its land back to the tribes. But private landowners? absolutely not.

It should be noted that the courts haven't shown any real desire to seize land from private owners to give to tribes. The recent decision regarding Oklahoma was about criminal jurisdiction, not ownership of property.