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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]My ancestors once owned most of Europe and then got pushed to the edge of the North Atlantic and dominated by England for 1500 years.  I seek to know what they did wrong.  [/quote]

That’s probably irrelevant, but if you are a citizen of a country like the UK, which still has colonies, or the US, which is currently violating treaties with tribal governments, you are—as a current citizen of a democratic government—responsible for what *your* country is doing *now* and to address prior wrongs of the country you are a citizen of. You can’t inherit guilt but you do inherit the responsibilities of your country. [/quote]

I think I have learned that rule number one in human history is don’t lose wars.  [/quote]

You didn't already know that?[/quote]

I figured it out when I was 3 or 4 and dealing with siblings and classmates.  [/quote]

To the victor go the spoils. I guess people these days want to enjoy the spoils but just don't want the losers to feel bad about it. But, the former have no intention of ever giving up the spoils.[/quote]
People like Americans and the Brits have the luxury of crying crocodile tears about what our ancestors did because we've typically been on the winning side of history.

Sure, some people will do self-flagellating land acknowledgments and other similar meaningless stuff. But, no, we're not giving American Indians our. That's not how the grown up world works. [/quote]

So the 523 federally recognized tribes in the US are….not grown-ups? Very white supremacist of you.[/quote]

The ones who want the colonizers to go home sound pretty childish.[/quote]

Your viewing this through the wrong lens.

Land-back is not about the colonizers “going home.” It’s about the colonizers giving the land back to its rightful historical heirs - the indigenous peoples of the so-called US.  [b]That’s why we have collectively pivoted to Indigenous Peoples day. [/b]

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Who is "we?"  Well-off liberals?

OK, so we give the land back to the tribes. Then what?  Do the rest of us live on it like renters or serfs?  Do they have to collect the taxes and run the local governments?  [/quote]

We - means just about everybody.

Except you apparently!

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1087290.page[/quote]

Still celebrating Columbus Day over here...[/quote]

An Italian guy, traveling under a Spanish flag, who likely was not the first to land in North America and likely landed in Hispaniola? Don't even start on his atrocities on the people there.

What exactly are you celebrating? And why are you so proud of that?[/quote]
Columbus' voyage was proof of concept that Europeans could travel to and from the New World, safely and repeatedly. Sure, Vikings made some tentative efforts during the Middle Ages, but they didn't have the technology or economic means to make their colonies permanent. Columbus' journey was a huge turning point in history, and it signifies the beginning of the creation of what we consider the modern world.

Maybe he wasn't a nice person, but people who change history rarely are. [/quote]

The fact you say he merely wasn't "nice" says a lot about you. None of it good. He was brutal and genocidal.

We don't get taught "columbus discovered Hispaniola." We get taught he sailed the ocean blue and discovered America. Kids are still taught this BS pack of lies. [/quote]

Wow. You really are impressionable. It’s fascinating to see the social hysteria of the last few years where everyone is sort angrily grilling people from long ago. Move on.[/quote]

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