The Kennedy Center is ridiculous for still requiring masks

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a show at the Kennedy Center recently and was yelled at by an usher for not putting my mask on between sips of water (less than 30 seconds). They were pretty militant looking to scold people. Meanwhile I've seen events with celebrities at the Kennedy Center on TV with no masks in site. It's just a way to control people and I'm not going back anytime soon.

Agreed. They’ll be scrambling for more massive donations when they see the financial consequences of their stupidity.

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Anonymous wrote:The sent out a survey long ago and discovered too many people would not come back unless there were masks required and that patrons did not trust other patrons to self monitor for contagiousness.

Trouble is, if they sent out the same survey today, they would get different answers, but they are operating on the old data.

In your opinion. Many of us have avoided covid by masking appropriately. I work in healthcare and wear a mask everyday all day. No covid. Vaccine and masks work. Also consider the age of the Kennedy Center. I cannot imagine their hvac is what is needed for large crowds.

Oh, sure. Every member of the Kennedy Center audience is going to be wearing a properly fit tested N95 mask.

In fact, it is likely likely that *zero* members of the audience will be wearing a mask that is actually effective. It is literally *theater.*

It is also highly likely that you have had covid and were asymptomatic. I do believe that vaccines work -- which is why the mask mandate is ridiculous.

It's this kind of absence of common sense that has completely destroyed the public's faith in the public health establishment.

Anything is helpful. There is still some protection even without a fit test. You are the one lack common sense.

Real life data shows zero protection from anything other than properly fitted N95 masks. Remember those pictures of nurses with bruised faces from wearing masks all day? That’s what wearing a properly fitted mask looks like. No one at the Kennedy Center, other than a health care professional that came directly from work and brought their mask with them, is wearing a mask properly (and even a lot of those aren’t properly fitted). That blue surgical mask may make you feel better, but it does nothing to protect you from Covid.

But the people who know more than you beg to differ. Masks (especially when everyone is wearing them) to lessen transmission.. https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014564118

My kids teacher was a bearded wonder in a k95 all year. What a joke. He got Covid and missed the last two months of school. Guess the jokes on the students. Again.

So you and your children don’t take statistics? Reducing your risk is not the same as eliminating your risk?

I’m not a germ phobe but I would like to avoid getting something that would make me miss 2 months of work.

Also, crappy masks don't do NOTHING. The messaging that cloth masks are not enough to reliably protect against omicron has been completely bastardized, no surprise.

Let's say there is a covid shedder 15 feet from you at a theater. If you're sitting right next to that person for 2 hours, you're probably screwed no matter what kind of masks are being worn. But at 15 feet, a lot of time is needed to infect you. Two hours unmasked might be enough, but at that distance two hours with some sort of mask may not amount to enough viral load to cause infection.

1000 people in a theater is a big herd. Having the whole herd in KN95s is best. Having the herd in a variety of masks is better than an unmasked herd of 1000 individuals.

So if you’re right, then we should be hearing all about outbreaks coming from Broadway theaters in NYC. Care to share articles about that?

Of course I'm right. It's logic.

Why would there be articles about patrons getting sick from covid after attending Broadway shows? Nobody reports their cases anymore and few people can pinpoint where they got infected.

That’s convenient. It allows you to claim whatever you want, without proof.

Of course, we would see evidence of Broadway shows being shut down because actors got COVID from unmasked audience members. That doesn’t appear to be happening lately. What’s your response to that?

My response is neither you, me, or anyone else can say anything definitively. The KC is choosing to be cautious to a level that you don't like. Too bad for you.

If KC really, REALLY cared, they’d shut their doors — just to be sure!

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Anonymous wrote:The sent out a survey long ago and discovered too many people would not come back unless there were masks required and that patrons did not trust other patrons to self monitor for contagiousness.

Trouble is, if they sent out the same survey today, they would get different answers, but they are operating on the old data.

In your opinion. Many of us have avoided covid by masking appropriately. I work in healthcare and wear a mask everyday all day. No covid. Vaccine and masks work. Also consider the age of the Kennedy Center. I cannot imagine their hvac is what is needed for large crowds.

Oh, sure. Every member of the Kennedy Center audience is going to be wearing a properly fit tested N95 mask.

In fact, it is likely likely that *zero* members of the audience will be wearing a mask that is actually effective. It is literally *theater.*

It is also highly likely that you have had covid and were asymptomatic. I do believe that vaccines work -- which is why the mask mandate is ridiculous.

It's this kind of absence of common sense that has completely destroyed the public's faith in the public health establishment.

Anything is helpful. There is still some protection even without a fit test. You are the one lack common sense.

Real life data shows zero protection from anything other than properly fitted N95 masks. Remember those pictures of nurses with bruised faces from wearing masks all day? That’s what wearing a properly fitted mask looks like. No one at the Kennedy Center, other than a health care professional that came directly from work and brought their mask with them, is wearing a mask properly (and even a lot of those aren’t properly fitted). That blue surgical mask may make you feel better, but it does nothing to protect you from Covid.

But the people who know more than you beg to differ. Masks (especially when everyone is wearing them) to lessen transmission.. https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014564118

My kids teacher was a bearded wonder in a k95 all year. What a joke. He got Covid and missed the last two months of school. Guess the jokes on the students. Again.

So you and your children don’t take statistics? Reducing your risk is not the same as eliminating your risk?

I’m not a germ phobe but I would like to avoid getting something that would make me miss 2 months of work.

Also, crappy masks don't do NOTHING. The messaging that cloth masks are not enough to reliably protect against omicron has been completely bastardized, no surprise.

Let's say there is a covid shedder 15 feet from you at a theater. If you're sitting right next to that person for 2 hours, you're probably screwed no matter what kind of masks are being worn. But at 15 feet, a lot of time is needed to infect you. Two hours unmasked might be enough, but at that distance two hours with some sort of mask may not amount to enough viral load to cause infection.

1000 people in a theater is a big herd. Having the whole herd in KN95s is best. Having the herd in a variety of masks is better than an unmasked herd of 1000 individuals.

So if you’re right, then we should be hearing all about outbreaks coming from Broadway theaters in NYC. Care to share articles about that?

Of course I'm right. It's logic.

Why would there be articles about patrons getting sick from covid after attending Broadway shows? Nobody reports their cases anymore and few people can pinpoint where they got infected.

That’s convenient. It allows you to claim whatever you want, without proof.

Of course, we would see evidence of Broadway shows being shut down because actors got COVID from unmasked audience members. That doesn’t appear to be happening lately. What’s your response to that?

My response is neither you, me, or anyone else can say anything definitively. The KC is choosing to be cautious to a level that you don't like. Too bad for you.

If KC really, REALLY cared, they’d shut their doors — just to be sure!

Fair point.

If there's even one case of Covid they should close down for 10-days, it's common sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line is - complaining about this is peak entitlement and frankly pathetic. If masks at the Kennedy Center are taking up your energy and are a real problem that you think about, mull over, and complain about online, then I truly wonder how you handle real problems in life. The less you focus on minor inconveniences, the happier you will be! Go away Grinches!!

Hear, hear!

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a show at the Kennedy Center recently and was yelled at by an usher for not putting my mask on between sips of water (less than 30 seconds). They were pretty militant looking to scold people. Meanwhile I've seen events with celebrities at the Kennedy Center on TV with no masks in site. It's just a way to control people and I'm not going back anytime soon.

Agreed. They’ll be scrambling for more massive donations when they see the financial consequences of their stupidity.

They already are. I can’t imagine how much money they waste on their constant fundraising mailings. I think I get one a week.

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Anonymous wrote:Braodway is also still requiring masks. Theater got really hard hit and it closes down a show quickly when performers get sick. Plus you are sitting there for hours in close quarters. I'm glad people wear masks. I just don't see how it's a big deal and I have massive asthma -- I can't wear them when walking outdoors or excercising, so I think I'm on the sensitive side, but sitting in an air conditioned theater is totally fine. My kids are also all fine with it. This just seems like such a non-issue and if it helps keep the theaters open, then great.

I keep reading this hear, but everything I can find online says Broadway went mask-optional back in July. Is this not the case?

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I heard the Kennedy Center was now requiring theater-goers to wear helmets when riding the escalators up from the parking garage. That seems like overkill to me, but you can never be too safe, rigth?

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Anonymous wrote:I heard the Kennedy Center was now requiring theater-goers to wear helmets when riding the escalators up from the parking garage. That seems like overkill to me, but you can never be too safe, rigth?

Given the demographic profile of many KC patrons, this makes all the sense in the world. Walking should also be fobidden, to prevent falls.

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Anonymous wrote:Braodway is also still requiring masks. Theater got really hard hit and it closes down a show quickly when performers get sick. Plus you are sitting there for hours in close quarters. I'm glad people wear masks. I just don't see how it's a big deal and I have massive asthma -- I can't wear them when walking outdoors or excercising, so I think I'm on the sensitive side, but sitting in an air conditioned theater is totally fine. My kids are also all fine with it. This just seems like such a non-issue and if it helps keep the theaters open, then great.

I keep reading this hear, but everything I can find online says Broadway went mask-optional back in July. Is this not the case?

Broadway is not requiring masks. I saw a show on Broadway in Aug. and masks were not required. Someone keeps posting this but they are wrong.

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Saw a show on Broadway this past weekend and not a mask in sight

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Anonymous wrote:Saw a show on Broadway this past weekend and not a mask in sight

They are anti-science.

The GOP has taken over NYC!

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Anonymous wrote:The sent out a survey long ago and discovered too many people would not come back unless there were masks required and that patrons did not trust other patrons to self monitor for contagiousness.

Trouble is, if they sent out the same survey today, they would get different answers, but they are operating on the old data.

In your opinion. Many of us have avoided covid by masking appropriately. I work in healthcare and wear a mask everyday all day. No covid. Vaccine and masks work. Also consider the age of the Kennedy Center. I cannot imagine their hvac is what is needed for large crowds.

Oh, sure. Every member of the Kennedy Center audience is going to be wearing a properly fit tested N95 mask.

In fact, it is likely likely that *zero* members of the audience will be wearing a mask that is actually effective. It is literally *theater.*

It is also highly likely that you have had covid and were asymptomatic. I do believe that vaccines work -- which is why the mask mandate is ridiculous.

It's this kind of absence of common sense that has completely destroyed the public's faith in the public health establishment.

Anything is helpful. There is still some protection even without a fit test. You are the one lack common sense.

Real life data shows zero protection from anything other than properly fitted N95 masks. Remember those pictures of nurses with bruised faces from wearing masks all day? That’s what wearing a properly fitted mask looks like. No one at the Kennedy Center, other than a health care professional that came directly from work and brought their mask with them, is wearing a mask properly (and even a lot of those aren’t properly fitted). That blue surgical mask may make you feel better, but it does nothing to protect you from Covid.

But the people who know more than you beg to differ. Masks (especially when everyone is wearing them) to lessen transmission.. https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014564118

My kids teacher was a bearded wonder in a k95 all year. What a joke. He got Covid and missed the last two months of school. Guess the jokes on the students. Again.

So you and your children don’t take statistics? Reducing your risk is not the same as eliminating your risk?

I’m not a germ phobe but I would like to avoid getting something that would make me miss 2 months of work.

Also, crappy masks don't do NOTHING. The messaging that cloth masks are not enough to reliably protect against omicron has been completely bastardized, no surprise.

Let's say there is a covid shedder 15 feet from you at a theater. If you're sitting right next to that person for 2 hours, you're probably screwed no matter what kind of masks are being worn. But at 15 feet, a lot of time is needed to infect you. Two hours unmasked might be enough, but at that distance two hours with some sort of mask may not amount to enough viral load to cause infection.

1000 people in a theater is a big herd. Having the whole herd in KN95s is best. Having the herd in a variety of masks is better than an unmasked herd of 1000 individuals.

So if you’re right, then we should be hearing all about outbreaks coming from Broadway theaters in NYC. Care to share articles about that?

Of course I'm right. It's logic.

Why would there be articles about patrons getting sick from covid after attending Broadway shows? Nobody reports their cases anymore and few people can pinpoint where they got infected.

That’s convenient. It allows you to claim whatever you want, without proof.

Of course, we would see evidence of Broadway shows being shut down because actors got COVID from unmasked audience members. That doesn’t appear to be happening lately. What’s your response to that?

You need proof that any mask is better than no mask? Given that the KC requires masks, many people will choose a good one if they have to wear one.

Yes, I want proof that masks prevent outbreaks. Given that Broadway itself doesn’t require them, it seems we have a pretty good experiment going. NYC should be seeing cast outbreaks if your argument is correct.

Masks reduce transmission. KN95s do this better than cloth and surgical. Reduction is good. Total prevention clearly cannot be the goal.

I can't believe you need this explained to you and it's almost 2023.

Bye.

So you have no data to prove that this is the case, even given vaccinations and COVID likely being endemic at this point. Got it.

You wouldn't understand or accept any science provided. So, why would anyone provide something (and to be clear, I'm not the poster you're referring to. You're just annoying af and looking to argue).

I’ve been following all COVID protocols and have sought data to back my decisions. I’m just asking for the same here.

Maybe the KC cares about their ushers and wants as few cases among them as possible.

Do you care about the ushers?

So you’re saying Broadway doesn’t care about them?

I asked you a question first.

Just as Broadway theaters are doing, I think that having masks be optional is perfectly sufficient for keeping them safe.

+1 and London theaters. Also schools and indoor sporting events. All of these mask optional experiments ongoing and doing just fine.

And concerts, and conventions, and airplanes, and colleges . . .

But the Kennedy Center and DC are special covid hotspots .

I have no dog in this fight as I have no plans or desire to go to the KC but their policy is ridiculous.

Well many I know who flew this month or moved into a dorm also just got COVID.

And I know many who didn't. Anecdotes go both ways.

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I saw Six at the National Theatre last month and masks were required.

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Anonymous wrote:If wearing a mask for a few hours will ruin seeing Hamilton, you need better coping skills.

+1

Same for those who think it is “just a way for [Kennedy Center] to control people…”. How does that work, exactly? What is Kennedy Center controlling? For what purpose? What is the end goal? I’m stumped.

And since doctor’s offices still require masks, are they “trying to control people,” too?

None of my doctor’s offices require masks.

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Anonymous wrote:If wearing a mask for a few hours will ruin seeing Hamilton, you need better coping skills.

+1

Same for those who think it is “just a way for [Kennedy Center] to control people…”. How does that work, exactly? What is Kennedy Center controlling? For what purpose? What is the end goal? I’m stumped.

And since doctor’s offices still require masks, are they “trying to control people,” too?

None of my doctor’s offices require masks.

Well that's a very quick way to figure out you need to find a new practice.