My abortion story

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Anonymous wrote:You don't want to be in the situation where people are debating whether your life is "truly' at risk before getting access to an abortion. The outcry over the case below is why heavily Catholic Ireland now allows abortion.

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/savita-halappanavar

Savita Halappanavar died on October 28, 2012, at Galway University Hospital after suffering a septic miscarriage for which she was denied an abortion.

I used to work at a hospital in Liberia, where abortion was illegal. Our doctor performed abortions. He explained to me that when he was a new doctor, a girl came asking for an abortion and they denied it to her. She tried herself and show back at the hospital dead. After that, even though it was risky, he did them.

Did he ever offer resources? Supposedly most people don’t really want an abortion, but feel alone with no other options.

In Liberia? Do you even hear yourself?

I am willing to bet she has no clue what/where Liberia is. Which proves the point that too much church and too little education ain’t good for you.

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I terminated when we found out the 3rd pregnancy was a boy. I had told my husband I would only raise a 3rd child if it was a girl, as our first 2 were boys. This was an unintended pregnancy so I was not thrilled to begin with. 1st trimester so there were no issues.

I find this absolutely appalling. I am struggling with how I feel about abortion, and a story like this makes it even harder.

You might also consider that this is extremely likely to be untrue/a troll.

My mother worked in a women’s hospital as a nurse and said this was in fact a very common reason to have an abortion. Other common reasons were, I’m going on vacation or to a wedding and want to be able to drink or I just don’t feel like being pregnant right now.

You know, you don't have to like any of those reasons. You can feel they are totally wrong. People do things I strongly disagree with each and every day, but I wouldn't think of making illegal, like drinking alcohol.

Are you really comparing an adult drinking alcohol to aborting a baby?

It’s not a baby. In the vast majority of cases, it is an embryo. Which is not much different than the unfertilized egg you discard with every period. The difference is 4-8 weeks, which on the grand scheme of a human life or better yet, on the grand scheme of our species’ existence, is negligible.

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Anonymous wrote:Abortion is one of those things you can be fully, 100 percent against - until you need one. My catholic best childhood friend was against abortion rights until she got pregnant at 19. She got an abortion.

This x 1,000, 000

I grew up Catholic and going to Catholic schools. The first person I knew to have an abortion was a very pro life and had participated in rallies with our church and had actually cried tears while talking about the issue with others. When she got pregnancy as a freshman in college her first thought was to have an abortion which she did. She didn’t regret it. She still attends church, married has kids.

I absolutely believe a woman has the right to terminate a pregnancy. But then again, I also absolutely believe that a person has a right to refuse vaccines. And the absolute right to refuse any and/or all medical interventions and medications. (as long as they are a legal competent adult) It’s their body, their life, their choice. I absolutely don’t support most pro choice organizations because they don’t believe these things. If you say “my body, my choice” but believe it only aligns with this one issue, then you don’t really believe it and I can understand why pro life proponents don’t take you seriously.

Reproductive choices don't make anyone else sick. The choice to not get your kids the typical childhood vaccinations has made other people sick. With the original variant of the Covid pandemic, vaccinations absolutely protected those around us. And throughout the pandemic, unvaccinated people have caused stress on the health care system.

There's a huge difference between vaccination and abortion.

Neither are reversible.
Both can have serious health consequences for the individual receiving them.
So you either believe “my body, my choice” in all medical choices or you don’t really believe it and just like to say slogans. 🤷‍♀️

I do believe "my body my choice." But vaccines affect everyone around you. Abortions don't. I don't believe vaccines can be required to live in the US (my body my choice) but I am ok with restrictions on unvaccinated people by employers and private business because of the fact that unvaccinated people can negatively affect the people around them (my choice=my choice to accept the consequences). A woman's abortion has zero potential to negatively affect the people around her.

Well, it affects one other person around her, at least.

Bingo.

It is not a person. It doesn’t have a name, or better yet, a consciousness and a functioning brain. It doesn’t have a social security number. It is up to the woman carrying that potential person to decide if they come to existence or not. Just like it is up to her to decide if/when to have one of her monthly eggs fertilized. An embryo is not much different than an egg - both are a *potential* person. Unique DNA is a weak argument: there is nothing unique about a species of which there are 8 billion in existence.

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Anonymous wrote:Before having kids i also would have been horrified by PP's story about not wanting a third boy. Now I know how huge a deal having a kid is, and think nobody should have one they don't want to, straight up.

I just don't think ending a pregnancy at 8 weeks is the same as killing a child. It feels to me like a fetus at that point is the potential of a child. Huge difference.

It’s not even a fetus at that stage, it’s an embryo.

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Anonymous wrote:Before having kids i also would have been horrified by PP's story about not wanting a third boy. Now I know how huge a deal having a kid is, and think nobody should have one they don't want to, straight up.

I just don't think ending a pregnancy at 8 weeks is the same as killing a child. It feels to me like a fetus at that point is the potential of a child. Huge difference.

It’s not even a fetus at that stage, it’s an embryo.

You realize that that PP had to have been well into the fetus stage by the time she ended her pregnancy, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Abortion is one of those things you can be fully, 100 percent against - until you need one. My catholic best childhood friend was against abortion rights until she got pregnant at 19. She got an abortion.

This x 1,000, 000

I grew up Catholic and going to Catholic schools. The first person I knew to have an abortion was a very pro life and had participated in rallies with our church and had actually cried tears while talking about the issue with others. When she got pregnancy as a freshman in college her first thought was to have an abortion which she did. She didn’t regret it. She still attends church, married has kids.

I absolutely believe a woman has the right to terminate a pregnancy. But then again, I also absolutely believe that a person has a right to refuse vaccines. And the absolute right to refuse any and/or all medical interventions and medications. (as long as they are a legal competent adult) It’s their body, their life, their choice. I absolutely don’t support most pro choice organizations because they don’t believe these things. If you say “my body, my choice” but believe it only aligns with this one issue, then you don’t really believe it and I can understand why pro life proponents don’t take you seriously.

Reproductive choices don't make anyone else sick. The choice to not get your kids the typical childhood vaccinations has made other people sick. With the original variant of the Covid pandemic, vaccinations absolutely protected those around us. And throughout the pandemic, unvaccinated people have caused stress on the health care system.

There's a huge difference between vaccination and abortion.

Neither are reversible.
Both can have serious health consequences for the individual receiving them.
So you either believe “my body, my choice” in all medical choices or you don’t really believe it and just like to say slogans. 🤷‍♀️

I do believe "my body my choice." But vaccines affect everyone around you. Abortions don't. I don't believe vaccines can be required to live in the US (my body my choice) but I am ok with restrictions on unvaccinated people by employers and private business because of the fact that unvaccinated people can negatively affect the people around them (my choice=my choice to accept the consequences). A woman's abortion has zero potential to negatively affect the people around her.

Well, it affects one other person around her, at least.

Bingo.

It is not a person. It doesn’t have a name, or better yet, a consciousness and a functioning brain. It doesn’t have a social security number. It is up to the woman carrying that potential person to decide if they come to existence or not. Just like it is up to her to decide if/when to have one of her monthly eggs fertilized. An embryo is not much different than an egg - both are a *potential* person. Unique DNA is a weak argument: there is nothing unique about a species of which there are 8 billion in existence.

This seems to be some new, radical talking point-saying an embryo, an egg fertilized by sperm, is the same as an unfertilized egg. They are not remotely the same thing. Between this and saying males can be females, the left wing has gone seriously off the deep end when it comes to science.

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Anonymous wrote:I had a medical abortion. The embryo heart stopped but because of other issues my body would not miscarry. I’m ever thankful that my doctor was kind and performed it before sepsis set in. People posting here know very little about the dangers of pregnancy.
I have had 3 friends with later MC who nearly bled to death. MC can be fatal.
Up until recently the main cause of death among women under 50 was childbirth or pregnancy complications of which there are many.
But nothing will change the pro choice attitude.

Yes this. It broke my heart to see abortion listed on my medical paperwork for a much wanted and desired pregnancy. But nothing was right with the pregnancy from the very first scans. I waited an agonizing 5 weeks for the heartbeat to stop. We all knew it would, it was just a matter of when. I was 11 weeks. Then my body would not give up the fetal tissue. I waited another two weeks to miscarry naturally and it would not happen. So I had a D&C. Traumatizing and the nurses didn’t help. I’d never had a general in my life and I woke up sobbing, to hear a nurse say “we’ve got a a weeper.”

What would have happened if I couldn’t get that D&C, even with a no longer viable pregnancy that had already lingered for weeks?

I am unaware of any state law that outlaws abortion for a non-viable pregnancy or one that is to protect the health of the mother.

Well, until Friday it was unconstitutional for such a law to exist.

Texas, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Kentucky, Arkansas, and Louisiana have no exceptions for health of the mother, for rape or incest, or for a fetus with conditions incompatible with life. I am not sure what you mean by non-viable pregnancy - doesn't matter in the above states unless the mother's life is in danger.

So now you are aware.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/24/abortion-laws-by-state-roe-v-wade-00037695

You appear to be contradicting yourself—see bolded above.

Exceptions for the life of the mother mean nothing when there is no doctor in your state who will perform the abortion .

Life of the mother exceptions also do not cover those fetuses who are incompatible with life (t-18 or heart defects, for example) because technically the mothers life isn’t in danger. The impact on NICUs and the trauma that will place on families who have to deliver a baby just to watch it die will be significant. Also, what happens to prenatal care like NIPT tests, amnio, or CVS if you don’t have a choice to terminate for medical reasons?

In many cases, NO ONE, even the doctor knows for sure that the baby isn’t compatible with life. Not every condition, or diagnosis made is automatically a death sentence. Down’s syndrome isn’t incompatible with life. Think of all the babies born with special needs and no one knows until they are born.

Yes, having a baby with special needs takes a lot of selflessness and so parents might choose to abort instead.

Even if a baby is likely to only live hours, many people choose to carry to term out of dignity for the baby because they do believe that baby is a life. And maybe they can hold that baby for a few hours or even a few days. But that’s a very courageous that not many can make.

I happen to think that it is not only not courageous, but it is selfish (baby will suffer, but at least you got to hold them), irrational (imo it’s better to terminate asap and save time that you can dedicate to a healthy pregnancy and baby), irresponsible (huge medical bills that responsible tax payers and insurance subscribers have to foot) and frankly, stupid/brain washed (which is what I think of most religious people…who believe that we all lived in a fish for 3 days!)

What religious people believed we all lived in a fish for three days? If you're referring to Jonah and the whale, clearly Jonah lived in a whale (a mammal).

Many of these situations are not known until birth, but yes you're right these parents are selfish!!! Maybe we should abort everyone because there is no guarantee they will come out as perfectly as you right?

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Anonymous wrote:I had a medical abortion. The embryo heart stopped but because of other issues my body would not miscarry. I’m ever thankful that my doctor was kind and performed it before sepsis set in. People posting here know very little about the dangers of pregnancy.
I have had 3 friends with later MC who nearly bled to death. MC can be fatal.
Up until recently the main cause of death among women under 50 was childbirth or pregnancy complications of which there are many.
But nothing will change the pro choice attitude.

Yes this. It broke my heart to see abortion listed on my medical paperwork for a much wanted and desired pregnancy. But nothing was right with the pregnancy from the very first scans. I waited an agonizing 5 weeks for the heartbeat to stop. We all knew it would, it was just a matter of when. I was 11 weeks. Then my body would not give up the fetal tissue. I waited another two weeks to miscarry naturally and it would not happen. So I had a D&C. Traumatizing and the nurses didn’t help. I’d never had a general in my life and I woke up sobbing, to hear a nurse say “we’ve got a a weeper.”

What would have happened if I couldn’t get that D&C, even with a no longer viable pregnancy that had already lingered for weeks?

I am unaware of any state law that outlaws abortion for a non-viable pregnancy or one that is to protect the health of the mother.

Well, until Friday it was unconstitutional for such a law to exist.

Texas, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Kentucky, Arkansas, and Louisiana have no exceptions for health of the mother, for rape or incest, or for a fetus with conditions incompatible with life. I am not sure what you mean by non-viable pregnancy - doesn't matter in the above states unless the mother's life is in danger.

So now you are aware.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/24/abortion-laws-by-state-roe-v-wade-00037695

You appear to be contradicting yourself—see bolded above.

Exceptions for the life of the mother mean nothing when there is no doctor in your state who will perform the abortion .

Life of the mother exceptions also do not cover those fetuses who are incompatible with life (t-18 or heart defects, for example) because technically the mothers life isn’t in danger. The impact on NICUs and the trauma that will place on families who have to deliver a baby just to watch it die will be significant. Also, what happens to prenatal care like NIPT tests, amnio, or CVS if you don’t have a choice to terminate for medical reasons?

In many cases, NO ONE, even the doctor knows for sure that the baby isn’t compatible with life. Not every condition, or diagnosis made is automatically a death sentence. Down’s syndrome isn’t incompatible with life. Think of all the babies born with special needs and no one knows until they are born.

Yes, having a baby with special needs takes a lot of selflessness and so parents might choose to abort instead.

Even if a baby is likely to only live hours, many people choose to carry to term out of dignity for the baby because they do believe that baby is a life. And maybe they can hold that baby for a few hours or even a few days. But that’s a very courageous that not many can make.

I happen to think that it is not only not courageous, but it is selfish (baby will suffer, but at least you got to hold them), irrational (imo it’s better to terminate asap and save time that you can dedicate to a healthy pregnancy and baby), irresponsible (huge medical bills that responsible tax payers and insurance subscribers have to foot) and frankly, stupid/brain washed (which is what I think of most religious people…who believe that we all lived in a fish for 3 days!)

What religious people believed we all lived in a fish for three days? If you're referring to Jonah and the whale, clearly Jonah lived in a whale (a mammal).

Many of these situations are not known until birth, but yes you're right these parents are selfish!!! Maybe we should abort everyone because there is no guarantee they will come out as perfectly as you right?

So why do we have all these medical advances to detect fetal abnormalities prior to birth? Women and doctors should be able to make medical decisions based on that info, but now they will not be able to in many states.

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Anonymous wrote:Abortion is one of those things you can be fully, 100 percent against - until you need one. My catholic best childhood friend was against abortion rights until she got pregnant at 19. She got an abortion.

This x 1,000, 000

I grew up Catholic and going to Catholic schools. The first person I knew to have an abortion was a very pro life and had participated in rallies with our church and had actually cried tears while talking about the issue with others. When she got pregnancy as a freshman in college her first thought was to have an abortion which she did. She didn’t regret it. She still attends church, married has kids.

I absolutely believe a woman has the right to terminate a pregnancy. But then again, I also absolutely believe that a person has a right to refuse vaccines. And the absolute right to refuse any and/or all medical interventions and medications. (as long as they are a legal competent adult) It’s their body, their life, their choice. I absolutely don’t support most pro choice organizations because they don’t believe these things. If you say “my body, my choice” but believe it only aligns with this one issue, then you don’t really believe it and I can understand why pro life proponents don’t take you seriously.

Reproductive choices don't make anyone else sick. The choice to not get your kids the typical childhood vaccinations has made other people sick. With the original variant of the Covid pandemic, vaccinations absolutely protected those around us. And throughout the pandemic, unvaccinated people have caused stress on the health care system.

There's a huge difference between vaccination and abortion.

Neither are reversible.
Both can have serious health consequences for the individual receiving them.
So you either believe “my body, my choice” in all medical choices or you don’t really believe it and just like to say slogans. 🤷‍♀️

I do believe "my body my choice." But vaccines affect everyone around you. Abortions don't. I don't believe vaccines can be required to live in the US (my body my choice) but I am ok with restrictions on unvaccinated people by employers and private business because of the fact that unvaccinated people can negatively affect the people around them (my choice=my choice to accept the consequences). A woman's abortion has zero potential to negatively affect the people around her.

Well, it affects one other person around her, at least.

Bingo.

It is not a person. It doesn’t have a name, or better yet, a consciousness and a functioning brain. It doesn’t have a social security number. It is up to the woman carrying that potential person to decide if they come to existence or not. Just like it is up to her to decide if/when to have one of her monthly eggs fertilized. An embryo is not much different than an egg - both are a *potential* person. Unique DNA is a weak argument: there is nothing unique about a species of which there are 8 billion in existence.

This seems to be some new, radical talking point-saying an embryo, an egg fertilized by sperm, is the same as an unfertilized egg. They are not remotely the same thing. Between this and saying males can be females, the left wing has gone seriously off the deep end when it comes to science.

Why do you think that only women on the left gets abortions? And we all know that a fertilised egg is a potential human. I happen to think that what goes on in my body is my business, and is nothing to do with anyone else. Would you like me to come to all your medical appointments with you and decide which treatment you should receive?

[Anonymous]

I just had my abortion yesterday. 7 weeks. Whew. This is my 2nd one (first one was about 11 years ago). I have finally convinced my boyfriend to have that vasectomy!

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Anonymous wrote:Abortion is one of those things you can be fully, 100 percent against - until you need one. My catholic best childhood friend was against abortion rights until she got pregnant at 19. She got an abortion.

This x 1,000, 000

I grew up Catholic and going to Catholic schools. The first person I knew to have an abortion was a very pro life and had participated in rallies with our church and had actually cried tears while talking about the issue with others. When she got pregnancy as a freshman in college her first thought was to have an abortion which she did. She didn’t regret it. She still attends church, married has kids.

I absolutely believe a woman has the right to terminate a pregnancy. But then again, I also absolutely believe that a person has a right to refuse vaccines. And the absolute right to refuse any and/or all medical interventions and medications. (as long as they are a legal competent adult) It’s their body, their life, their choice. I absolutely don’t support most pro choice organizations because they don’t believe these things. If you say “my body, my choice” but believe it only aligns with this one issue, then you don’t really believe it and I can understand why pro life proponents don’t take you seriously.

Reproductive choices don't make anyone else sick. The choice to not get your kids the typical childhood vaccinations has made other people sick. With the original variant of the Covid pandemic, vaccinations absolutely protected those around us. And throughout the pandemic, unvaccinated people have caused stress on the health care system.

There's a huge difference between vaccination and abortion.

Neither are reversible.
Both can have serious health consequences for the individual receiving them.
So you either believe “my body, my choice” in all medical choices or you don’t really believe it and just like to say slogans. 🤷‍♀️

I do believe "my body my choice." But vaccines affect everyone around you. Abortions don't. I don't believe vaccines can be required to live in the US (my body my choice) but I am ok with restrictions on unvaccinated people by employers and private business because of the fact that unvaccinated people can negatively affect the people around them (my choice=my choice to accept the consequences). A woman's abortion has zero potential to negatively affect the people around her.

Well, it affects one other person around her, at least.

Bingo.

It is not a person. It doesn’t have a name, or better yet, a consciousness and a functioning brain. It doesn’t have a social security number. It is up to the woman carrying that potential person to decide if they come to existence or not. Just like it is up to her to decide if/when to have one of her monthly eggs fertilized. An embryo is not much different than an egg - both are a *potential* person. Unique DNA is a weak argument: there is nothing unique about a species of which there are 8 billion in existence.

This seems to be some new, radical talking point-saying an embryo, an egg fertilized by sperm, is the same as an unfertilized egg. They are not remotely the same thing. Between this and saying males can be females, the left wing has gone seriously off the deep end when it comes to science.

Why do you think that only women on the left gets abortions? And we all know that a fertilised egg is a potential human. I happen to think that what goes on in my body is my business, and is nothing to do with anyone else. Would you like me to come to all your medical appointments with you and decide which treatment you should receive?

Your reply had nothing to do with the post. PP is referring to many posters on this board who keeping comparing embryos to eggs, saying there's no difference. They are very very different, but there's a new talking point that attempts to equalize them. But since you posted, if I'm not pregnant, than my medical issues involve just me, not a life inside of me. Again, a difference. All the repeating of non-science based talking points will not change the fact that embryos and fetuses are lives that are separate from the mother. Do I believe that women should be able to choose to end that life? Up to a point, yes, I do. But all these radical talking points are doing the pro-choice movement no favors at all.

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It is not a person. It doesn’t have a name, or better yet, a consciousness and a functioning brain. It doesn’t have a social security number. It is up to the woman carrying that potential person to decide if they come to existence or not. Just like it is up to her to decide if/when to have one of her monthly eggs fertilized. An embryo is not much different than an egg - both are a *potential* person. Unique DNA is a weak argument: there is nothing unique about a species of which there are 8 billion in existence.

This is the worst argument in support of abortion I have ever read. Babies aren’t born with social security numbers - it takes weeks to obtain them after birth. Undocumented immigrants don’t have social security numbers. So, is it ok if we kill all of them?

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An abortion enabled me to be born!

In 1983, my mother was pregnant and she was in no way financially or mentally ready to have a child, and the marriage was on the rocks. She terminated.
In 1984, she met my father. In 1986, they married, and in 1988, I was born. Thank goodness for abortion that gave my mother a future, spared her from raising a child with a man she soon divorced, opened up other opportunities for happiness and gave me the chance to live, in a loving, happy, financially stable family!

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Anonymous wrote:I had a medical abortion. The embryo heart stopped but because of other issues my body would not miscarry. I’m ever thankful that my doctor was kind and performed it before sepsis set in. People posting here know very little about the dangers of pregnancy.
I have had 3 friends with later MC who nearly bled to death. MC can be fatal.
Up until recently the main cause of death among women under 50 was childbirth or pregnancy complications of which there are many.
But nothing will change the pro choice attitude.

Yes this. It broke my heart to see abortion listed on my medical paperwork for a much wanted and desired pregnancy. But nothing was right with the pregnancy from the very first scans. I waited an agonizing 5 weeks for the heartbeat to stop. We all knew it would, it was just a matter of when. I was 11 weeks. Then my body would not give up the fetal tissue. I waited another two weeks to miscarry naturally and it would not happen. So I had a D&C. Traumatizing and the nurses didn’t help. I’d never had a general in my life and I woke up sobbing, to hear a nurse say “we’ve got a a weeper.”

What would have happened if I couldn’t get that D&C, even with a no longer viable pregnancy that had already lingered for weeks?

I am unaware of any state law that outlaws abortion for a non-viable pregnancy or one that is to protect the health of the mother.

Well, until Friday it was unconstitutional for such a law to exist.

Texas, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Kentucky, Arkansas, and Louisiana have no exceptions for health of the mother, for rape or incest, or for a fetus with conditions incompatible with life. I am not sure what you mean by non-viable pregnancy - doesn't matter in the above states unless the mother's life is in danger.

So now you are aware.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/24/abortion-laws-by-state-roe-v-wade-00037695

You appear to be contradicting yourself—see bolded above.

Exceptions for the life of the mother mean nothing when there is no doctor in your state who will perform the abortion .

Life of the mother exceptions also do not cover those fetuses who are incompatible with life (t-18 or heart defects, for example) because technically the mothers life isn’t in danger. The impact on NICUs and the trauma that will place on families who have to deliver a baby just to watch it die will be significant. Also, what happens to prenatal care like NIPT tests, amnio, or CVS if you don’t have a choice to terminate for medical reasons?

In many cases, NO ONE, even the doctor knows for sure that the baby isn’t compatible with life. Not every condition, or diagnosis made is automatically a death sentence. Down’s syndrome isn’t incompatible with life. Think of all the babies born with special needs and no one knows until they are born.

Yes, having a baby with special needs takes a lot of selflessness and so parents might choose to abort instead.

Even if a baby is likely to only live hours, many people choose to carry to term out of dignity for the baby because they do believe that baby is a life. And maybe they can hold that baby for a few hours or even a few days. But that’s a very courageous that not many can make.

I happen to think that it is not only not courageous, but it is selfish (baby will suffer, but at least you got to hold them), irrational (imo it’s better to terminate asap and save time that you can dedicate to a healthy pregnancy and baby), irresponsible (huge medical bills that responsible tax payers and insurance subscribers have to foot) and frankly, stupid/brain washed (which is what I think of most religious people…who believe that we all lived in a fish for 3 days!)

What religious people believed we all lived in a fish for three days? If you're referring to Jonah and the whale, clearly Jonah lived in a whale (a mammal).

Many of these situations are not known until birth, but yes you're right these parents are selfish!!! Maybe we should abort everyone because there is no guarantee they will come out as perfectly as you right?

Healthy is very different from perfect.

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Anonymous wrote:Before having kids i also would have been horrified by PP's story about not wanting a third boy. Now I know how huge a deal having a kid is, and think nobody should have one they don't want to, straight up.

I just don't think ending a pregnancy at 8 weeks is the same as killing a child. It feels to me like a fetus at that point is the potential of a child. Huge difference.

It’s not even a fetus at that stage, it’s an embryo.

Fine, either way, my point is that's very different from a born child. I don't know what the "cutoff" is because i think it's a spectrum and there aren't strict divisions in nature the way we sometimes desire, but I think most women and mothers instinctively know this, and thats one reason late term abortion is rare and usually medically necessary. It should be easily available as early as possible.