4-6th graders FLE all genders together and more

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Anonymous wrote:Boys and girls are in class together all day and *still* are embarrassed to talk to or about the opposite sex. Its a part of growing up. The insistence that throwing kids together for FLE will magically make them not embarrassed is silly.

Separating them will only reinforce that they should be embarrassed.

Or maybe it promotes a safe space to ask questions.

Why are you teaching your kids that they are only “safe” with same-gender friends?

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No one is teaching their kids that they are only safe with same gender friends. But they do have common experience with those of the same sex. Their bodies are going through the same changes if at different rates. There is no need for these changes to be discussed in front of children of the opposite sex if it will make them more uncomfortable.

Why the push to throw kids together for these lessons? What is the benefits because it absolutely will not stop kids from being embarrassed or anxious.

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I support this

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Anonymous wrote:Why shouldn't they combine everybody? Should only girls know about stuff?

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We were never separated out back in the 80s.

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Same here...and I was embarrassed to ask a question about period blood in front of other girls, there would be no way I'd have the courage to ask (or even write it down) a TMI question in front of boys.

But they can at least teach basics. Overall this is going to make people a *lot* more knowledgeable.

Can't they teach the "basics" in separated genders? That way, specific questions and details pertaining to gender can be discussed.

No questions are asked spontaneously. All questions are written down and vetted first by the teacher. You won’t have a girl embarrassed to ask a question in front of classmates about her period because won’t happen. There’s no reason to separate by gender. As another PP noted, you don’t separate for any other subjects.

They have the option to write them down, plenty ask in front of their peers by raising their hand.

Not in the FCPS elementary school where I teach. I’ve been teaching FLE for over 10 years at 5th and 6th grade. We teach the kids to write down their questions. It’s not that difficult. If a kid raises their hand, I simply don’t answer. I say, “I see your hand is up. You can write down your question and we’ll review them.”

I also have been teaching FLE for over 10 years, some write down their questions and some ask. Either way is accepted. It’s not that difficult.

Correct. And if boys and girls are combined, no one will raise their hand anymore or feel safe. This is outrageous.

What’s outrageous is your faux outrage and lack of basic comprehension skills. ALL STUDENTS CAN WRITE THEIR QUESTIONS ANONYMOUSLY. No one is stopping anyone from asking anything. All the kids are given blank notecards. They write questions. The cards are collected. Questions get answered. No one knows whether a boy or girl asked it.

Faux outrage is correct.

I thought FCPS was an educated area. What is with all of these ass-backwards parents and teachers? Are they even from FCPS? Might be outside agitators trying to stir up trouble.

No, not everyone is post-gender like you. Most of us are modest and are embarrassed by embarrassing things.

All learned behaviors. Stop teaching your kids to be embarrassed.

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I’ve posted a few times earlier in this thread. This doesn’t need to be an embarrassing topic.

ES Teacher

Nope. My kids grew up in an household where we openly discussed. Fast forward towards the tween years and it didn’t matter. They were embarrassed and reading about puberty in a book or talking about and it suddenly happening to you is a whole different thing. They suddenly became more private and embarrassed and yes around their friends and at school they were more embarrassed and didn’t talk openly. It’s actually developmental and not something you can “parent” out of a child.

This. I grew up in a very open household. I knew all of this stuff. But, most of these kids don’t come from households that talk openly. You can tell with the types of questions they ask. I have a lot of gripes about FLE. It takes away from instructional time for a full week. There are so many things we cannot answer, which is dumb if the county wants to do this for equity purposes. If they truly want to do this, then we should be able to talk about same sex relationships, other ways to have babies(ivf,surrogacy), etc. I get more questions about these things and we cannot answer them. I personally think it is a huge mistake combining ES grades. Most adults are not embarrassed but the kids are. If a book has any romance in it, some kids get embarrassed. It is part of life. The majority of northern VA does not do mixed for ES grades. What will end up happening is there will be a large influx of parents opting out and the schools won’t have anyone to watch them when 10 kids from each class stay to be educated on this stuff. It will be a waste of instructional time.

Hell no.

In my 15 years of teaching ES FLE, the question(s) I get most often are: how do I insert a tampon? how do I prevent pregnancy? does it hurt to have sex? does it hurt to have a baby? and do I have to have a baby? These are the things girls care about. I can’t say a lot in regards to this, so I doubt IVF and surrogacy will be covered soon.

Every year we get questions about same sex relationships and how they have babies.

They don’t together in a biological way. Hopefully that’s a pretty clear teaching point.

In many ES grades, we aren’t even allowed to answer this question.

That is the point. If we cannot be open about this topic and answer, then why do people think it is ok to combine children and teach them explicit content that is sensitive. Looking at a diagram of a penis is uncomfortable for 10 and 11 year olds.

Nope. We shouldn’t cater to the religious nutters. Let them opt-out. Or homeschool/brainwash their kids at home.

We should not cater to the chdless leftist activists that don't seem to know anything about child development and do not have the children's best interests in mind.

If you are a political activist trying to indoctrinate children, get the heck out of the schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Keeping kids together will ensure they don't ask the questions they need to

- parent of a 4th and 6th grader, plus a few other younger grades.

I'm sure the girls puberty and menstruation sessions will be great with all the boys present.

The more of a big deal you make it, the more of a big deal it becomes.

Do you think you can find a class of firth grade girls anywhere in the county where the majority are comfortable discussing menstruation with boys? Maybe one or two per class, but not anywhere close tho the majority. If they don't want girls to be able to freely ask questions, just cancel the class

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Anonymous wrote:Why shouldn't they combine everybody? Should only girls know about stuff?

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We were never separated out back in the 80s.

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Same here...and I was embarrassed to ask a question about period blood in front of other girls, there would be no way I'd have the courage to ask (or even write it down) a TMI question in front of boys.

But they can at least teach basics. Overall this is going to make people a *lot* more knowledgeable.

Can't they teach the "basics" in separated genders? That way, specific questions and details pertaining to gender can be discussed.

No questions are asked spontaneously. All questions are written down and vetted first by the teacher. You won’t have a girl embarrassed to ask a question in front of classmates about her period because won’t happen. There’s no reason to separate by gender. As another PP noted, you don’t separate for any other subjects.

They have the option to write them down, plenty ask in front of their peers by raising their hand.

Not in the FCPS elementary school where I teach. I’ve been teaching FLE for over 10 years at 5th and 6th grade. We teach the kids to write down their questions. It’s not that difficult. If a kid raises their hand, I simply don’t answer. I say, “I see your hand is up. You can write down your question and we’ll review them.”

I also have been teaching FLE for over 10 years, some write down their questions and some ask. Either way is accepted. It’s not that difficult.

Correct. And if boys and girls are combined, no one will raise their hand anymore or feel safe. This is outrageous.

What’s outrageous is your faux outrage and lack of basic comprehension skills. ALL STUDENTS CAN WRITE THEIR QUESTIONS ANONYMOUSLY. No one is stopping anyone from asking anything. All the kids are given blank notecards. They write questions. The cards are collected. Questions get answered. No one knows whether a boy or girl asked it.

Faux outrage is correct.

I thought FCPS was an educated area. What is with all of these ass-backwards parents and teachers? Are they even from FCPS? Might be outside agitators trying to stir up trouble.

No, not everyone is post-gender like you. Most of us are modest and are embarrassed by embarrassing things.

All learned behaviors. Stop teaching your kids to be embarrassed.

+1
I’ve posted a few times earlier in this thread. This doesn’t need to be an embarrassing topic.

ES Teacher

Nope. My kids grew up in an household where we openly discussed. Fast forward towards the tween years and it didn’t matter. They were embarrassed and reading about puberty in a book or talking about and it suddenly happening to you is a whole different thing. They suddenly became more private and embarrassed and yes around their friends and at school they were more embarrassed and didn’t talk openly. It’s actually developmental and not something you can “parent” out of a child.

This. I grew up in a very open household. I knew all of this stuff. But, most of these kids don’t come from households that talk openly. You can tell with the types of questions they ask. I have a lot of gripes about FLE. It takes away from instructional time for a full week. There are so many things we cannot answer, which is dumb if the county wants to do this for equity purposes. If they truly want to do this, then we should be able to talk about same sex relationships, other ways to have babies(ivf,surrogacy), etc. I get more questions about these things and we cannot answer them. I personally think it is a huge mistake combining ES grades. Most adults are not embarrassed but the kids are. If a book has any romance in it, some kids get embarrassed. It is part of life. The majority of northern VA does not do mixed for ES grades. What will end up happening is there will be a large influx of parents opting out and the schools won’t have anyone to watch them when 10 kids from each class stay to be educated on this stuff. It will be a waste of instructional time.

Hell no.

In my 15 years of teaching ES FLE, the question(s) I get most often are: how do I insert a tampon? how do I prevent pregnancy? does it hurt to have sex? does it hurt to have a baby? and do I have to have a baby? These are the things girls care about. I can’t say a lot in regards to this, so I doubt IVF and surrogacy will be covered soon.

Every year we get questions about same sex relationships and how they have babies.

They don’t together in a biological way. Hopefully that’s a pretty clear teaching point.

In many ES grades, we aren’t even allowed to answer this question.

That is the point. If we cannot be open about this topic and answer, then why do people think it is ok to combine children and teach them explicit content that is sensitive. Looking at a diagram of a penis is uncomfortable for 10 and 11 year olds.

Nope. We shouldn’t cater to the religious nutters. Let them opt-out. Or homeschool/brainwash their kids at home.

We should not cater to the chdless leftist activists that don't seem to know anything about child development and do not have the children's best interests in mind.

If you are a political activist trying to indoctrinate children, get the heck out of the schools.

I have kids in elementary and middle. You can keep your religious nuttery to yourself, thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Boys and girls are in class together all day and *still* are embarrassed to talk to or about the opposite sex. Its a part of growing up. The insistence that throwing kids together for FLE will magically make them not embarrassed is silly.

Separating them will only reinforce that they should be embarrassed.

Or maybe it promotes a safe space to ask questions.

Why are you teaching your kids that they are only “safe” with same-gender friends?

Why are you trying to break down natural childhood inhibitions about sexuality and bodily privacy? Only perverts and predators want to do that.

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Anonymous wrote:Why shouldn't they combine everybody? Should only girls know about stuff?

+1

We were never separated out back in the 80s.

+2
Same here...and I was embarrassed to ask a question about period blood in front of other girls, there would be no way I'd have the courage to ask (or even write it down) a TMI question in front of boys.

But they can at least teach basics. Overall this is going to make people a *lot* more knowledgeable.

Can't they teach the "basics" in separated genders? That way, specific questions and details pertaining to gender can be discussed.

No questions are asked spontaneously. All questions are written down and vetted first by the teacher. You won’t have a girl embarrassed to ask a question in front of classmates about her period because won’t happen. There’s no reason to separate by gender. As another PP noted, you don’t separate for any other subjects.

They have the option to write them down, plenty ask in front of their peers by raising their hand.

Not in the FCPS elementary school where I teach. I’ve been teaching FLE for over 10 years at 5th and 6th grade. We teach the kids to write down their questions. It’s not that difficult. If a kid raises their hand, I simply don’t answer. I say, “I see your hand is up. You can write down your question and we’ll review them.”

I also have been teaching FLE for over 10 years, some write down their questions and some ask. Either way is accepted. It’s not that difficult.

Correct. And if boys and girls are combined, no one will raise their hand anymore or feel safe. This is outrageous.

What’s outrageous is your faux outrage and lack of basic comprehension skills. ALL STUDENTS CAN WRITE THEIR QUESTIONS ANONYMOUSLY. No one is stopping anyone from asking anything. All the kids are given blank notecards. They write questions. The cards are collected. Questions get answered. No one knows whether a boy or girl asked it.

Faux outrage is correct.

I thought FCPS was an educated area. What is with all of these ass-backwards parents and teachers? Are they even from FCPS? Might be outside agitators trying to stir up trouble.

No, not everyone is post-gender like you. Most of us are modest and are embarrassed by embarrassing things.

All learned behaviors. Stop teaching your kids to be embarrassed.

+1
I’ve posted a few times earlier in this thread. This doesn’t need to be an embarrassing topic.

ES Teacher

Nope. My kids grew up in an household where we openly discussed. Fast forward towards the tween years and it didn’t matter. They were embarrassed and reading about puberty in a book or talking about and it suddenly happening to you is a whole different thing. They suddenly became more private and embarrassed and yes around their friends and at school they were more embarrassed and didn’t talk openly. It’s actually developmental and not something you can “parent” out of a child.

This. I grew up in a very open household. I knew all of this stuff. But, most of these kids don’t come from households that talk openly. You can tell with the types of questions they ask. I have a lot of gripes about FLE. It takes away from instructional time for a full week. There are so many things we cannot answer, which is dumb if the county wants to do this for equity purposes. If they truly want to do this, then we should be able to talk about same sex relationships, other ways to have babies(ivf,surrogacy), etc. I get more questions about these things and we cannot answer them. I personally think it is a huge mistake combining ES grades. Most adults are not embarrassed but the kids are. If a book has any romance in it, some kids get embarrassed. It is part of life. The majority of northern VA does not do mixed for ES grades. What will end up happening is there will be a large influx of parents opting out and the schools won’t have anyone to watch them when 10 kids from each class stay to be educated on this stuff. It will be a waste of instructional time.

Hell no.

In my 15 years of teaching ES FLE, the question(s) I get most often are: how do I insert a tampon? how do I prevent pregnancy? does it hurt to have sex? does it hurt to have a baby? and do I have to have a baby? These are the things girls care about. I can’t say a lot in regards to this, so I doubt IVF and surrogacy will be covered soon.

Every year we get questions about same sex relationships and how they have babies.

They don’t together in a biological way. Hopefully that’s a pretty clear teaching point.

In many ES grades, we aren’t even allowed to answer this question.

That is the point. If we cannot be open about this topic and answer, then why do people think it is ok to combine children and teach them explicit content that is sensitive. Looking at a diagram of a penis is uncomfortable for 10 and 11 year olds.

Nope. We shouldn’t cater to the religious nutters. Let them opt-out. Or homeschool/brainwash their kids at home.

We should not cater to the chdless leftist activists that don't seem to know anything about child development and do not have the children's best interests in mind.

If you are a political activist trying to indoctrinate children, get the heck out of the schools.

I have kids in elementary and middle. You can keep your religious nuttery to yourself, thanks.

Sure you do.

No one is buying that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Boys and girls are in class together all day and *still* are embarrassed to talk to or about the opposite sex. Its a part of growing up. The insistence that throwing kids together for FLE will magically make them not embarrassed is silly.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keeping kids together will ensure they don't ask the questions they need to

- parent of a 4th and 6th grader, plus a few other younger grades.

I'm sure the girls puberty and menstruation sessions will be great with all the boys present.

The more of a big deal you make it, the more of a big deal it becomes.

Do you think you can find a class of firth grade girls anywhere in the county where the majority are comfortable discussing menstruation with boys? Maybe one or two per class, but not anywhere close tho the majority. If they don't want girls to be able to freely ask questions, just cancel the class

+1,000

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The only reason combining genders for FLE is even being considered if because of trans kids.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why shouldn't they combine everybody? Should only girls know about stuff?

+1

We were never separated out back in the 80s.

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Same here...and I was embarrassed to ask a question about period blood in front of other girls, there would be no way I'd have the courage to ask (or even write it down) a TMI question in front of boys.

But they can at least teach basics. Overall this is going to make people a *lot* more knowledgeable.

Can't they teach the "basics" in separated genders? That way, specific questions and details pertaining to gender can be discussed.

No questions are asked spontaneously. All questions are written down and vetted first by the teacher. You won’t have a girl embarrassed to ask a question in front of classmates about her period because won’t happen. There’s no reason to separate by gender. As another PP noted, you don’t separate for any other subjects.

They have the option to write them down, plenty ask in front of their peers by raising their hand.

Not in the FCPS elementary school where I teach. I’ve been teaching FLE for over 10 years at 5th and 6th grade. We teach the kids to write down their questions. It’s not that difficult. If a kid raises their hand, I simply don’t answer. I say, “I see your hand is up. You can write down your question and we’ll review them.”

I also have been teaching FLE for over 10 years, some write down their questions and some ask. Either way is accepted. It’s not that difficult.

Correct. And if boys and girls are combined, no one will raise their hand anymore or feel safe. This is outrageous.

What’s outrageous is your faux outrage and lack of basic comprehension skills. ALL STUDENTS CAN WRITE THEIR QUESTIONS ANONYMOUSLY. No one is stopping anyone from asking anything. All the kids are given blank notecards. They write questions. The cards are collected. Questions get answered. No one knows whether a boy or girl asked it.

Faux outrage is correct.

I thought FCPS was an educated area. What is with all of these ass-backwards parents and teachers? Are they even from FCPS? Might be outside agitators trying to stir up trouble.

No, not everyone is post-gender like you. Most of us are modest and are embarrassed by embarrassing things.

All learned behaviors. Stop teaching your kids to be embarrassed.

+1
I’ve posted a few times earlier in this thread. This doesn’t need to be an embarrassing topic.

ES Teacher

Nope. My kids grew up in an household where we openly discussed. Fast forward towards the tween years and it didn’t matter. They were embarrassed and reading about puberty in a book or talking about and it suddenly happening to you is a whole different thing. They suddenly became more private and embarrassed and yes around their friends and at school they were more embarrassed and didn’t talk openly. It’s actually developmental and not something you can “parent” out of a child.

This. I grew up in a very open household. I knew all of this stuff. But, most of these kids don’t come from households that talk openly. You can tell with the types of questions they ask. I have a lot of gripes about FLE. It takes away from instructional time for a full week. There are so many things we cannot answer, which is dumb if the county wants to do this for equity purposes. If they truly want to do this, then we should be able to talk about same sex relationships, other ways to have babies(ivf,surrogacy), etc. I get more questions about these things and we cannot answer them. I personally think it is a huge mistake combining ES grades. Most adults are not embarrassed but the kids are. If a book has any romance in it, some kids get embarrassed. It is part of life. The majority of northern VA does not do mixed for ES grades. What will end up happening is there will be a large influx of parents opting out and the schools won’t have anyone to watch them when 10 kids from each class stay to be educated on this stuff. It will be a waste of instructional time.

Hell no.

In my 15 years of teaching ES FLE, the question(s) I get most often are: how do I insert a tampon? how do I prevent pregnancy? does it hurt to have sex? does it hurt to have a baby? and do I have to have a baby? These are the things girls care about. I can’t say a lot in regards to this, so I doubt IVF and surrogacy will be covered soon.

Every year we get questions about same sex relationships and how they have babies.

They don’t together in a biological way. Hopefully that’s a pretty clear teaching point.

In many ES grades, we aren’t even allowed to answer this question.

That is the point. If we cannot be open about this topic and answer, then why do people think it is ok to combine children and teach them explicit content that is sensitive. Looking at a diagram of a penis is uncomfortable for 10 and 11 year olds.

Nope. We shouldn’t cater to the religious nutters. Let them opt-out. Or homeschool/brainwash their kids at home.

We should not cater to the chdless leftist activists that don't seem to know anything about child development and do not have the children's best interests in mind.

If you are a political activist trying to indoctrinate children, get the heck out of the schools.

I have kids in elementary and middle. You can keep your religious nuttery to yourself, thanks.

Sure you do.

No one is buying that.

I do. The big difference here is that I’m not a religious nutter who wants to push backwards ideas on my kids.

Menstruation happens.
Erections happen.

It’s ok to talk about them with anyone, regardless of gender.

[Anonymous]

How do we stop the school board from voting to combine genders for FLE in elementary school? This must be stopped.

[Anonymous]

Research has shown that when girls are with all girls, they are more confident and willing to ask questions. That’s what all girls’ schools have shown.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Boys and girls are in class together all day and *still* are embarrassed to talk to or about the opposite sex. Its a part of growing up. The insistence that throwing kids together for FLE will magically make them not embarrassed is silly.

Separating them will only reinforce that they should be embarrassed.

Or maybe it promotes a safe space to ask questions.

Why are you teaching your kids that they are only “safe” with same-gender friends?

Why are you trying to break down natural childhood inhibitions about sexuality and bodily privacy? Only perverts and predators want to do that.

Why are you sexualizing normal human functions?

It shouldn’t be weird for anyone to say they have their period.