Should Northeastern be T20? Or even T10?

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Anonymous wrote:“ U. Michigan and UVA are outliers in terms of public endowment and their endowment is still paltry in a per-student basis compared to the privates like Columbia.”

Columbia has approximately a 4:1 graduate/undergraduate ratio. Typically most publics schools are 2 or 3:1 or more undergraduate/graduate ratios. Graduate students typically are way more expensive to educate than undergraduates since they take up more resources and the time of educators. Once again, endowment per student is not always the best way to determine education quality. Columbia is very overloaded as a graduate school. Not a good example to use at all!

Most endowment, usually about 80%, is restricted in purpose by the donor. Whatever purpose the donor designated may or may not benefit undergraduates. A lot of it may not.

Restricted to what?
Don't they normally donate it for scholarships and the departments or schools they graduated from?
A lot of it may be.

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Anonymous wrote:UCLA, UCSD, UCI and probably even UCSB all get over 100k applications every year, UCLA is barely T50 regardless of public news rankings, the others are around a T100 school which is actually pretty good, think 50 states, T100 is top 2 per state and given states like NY and MA have many elite colleges T100 is actually very good

Northeastern is a solid school but in all seriousness its barely a T100, maybe in a few decades it could be perceived as a T50, but still too early to tell

A telling indicator is endowment, NEU is barely above $1 billion which is not in the T100 in the US

The T10 schools have enormous endowments which provides a real competitive advantage to not only attract students but also their experience + influence among alumni

Harvard has $53 billion, Yale $43 billion, Princeton $38 billion, Penn $38 billion, Columbia $14 billion, Cornell $10 billion, Dartmouth $8 billion, Brown $7 billion - keep in mind to get these endowments alumni + their networks had to donate funds which indicate that the alumni are disproportionately successful + loyal, important factors for consideration among the most talented of college applicants, think top 1% of top 1%, that one kid in a great high school that everybody knows can go anywhere, etc. - these are the kids that largely end up at T10 schools

NEU is around the T125 to T150 at $1 billion, similar to Fordham, Lafayette, or Bucknell

Its a great school but the perception among younger students is that its safety for students that are targeting T30 to T50 schools

UCLA is barely T50 and UCSB, UCSD are T100? What are you smoking?

Endowments relate to the prestige garnered by the school throughout its entire existence more so than its current quality.

Also, public universities tend to have lower endowments despite having a huge number of successful alumni because (a) they don't bother much in getting donations out of alumni and (b) they are backed by the state so (a) is unnecessary.

Is that why University of Texas has a larger endowment than any ivy other than Harvard? Texas A&M has a larger endowment than Darthmouth and Brown...combined. Michigan is larger than Columbia. You assertion of public not having large endowments is just talking out of your rearend without any basis in facts.

So you pick out 3 examples out of 100s of public universities in the country for your comparison?

UT Austin and Texas A&M both have high endowments due to oil money. They literally struck black gold. No other reason.

U. Michigan and UVA are outliers in terms of public endowment and their endowment is still paltry in a per-student basis compared to the privates like Columbia.

The endowment of the remaining top public universities - UC Berkeley, UCLA, UC San Diego, U. Washington, Georgia Tech, etc. etc. - rarely hits above $5 billion.

Pitt’s endowment is close to 5 billion. It’s ranked in the top 20 of all college endowments. And Pitt is public.

Some of the public shcools have large endowment due to the medical school and facilities, and the revenues from it.
It doesn't really effect undergraduate education much. It maybe beneficial to Pre-Med students a little.
Looks like Pitt is the case.

Obviously you don’t do your research, or did they forget to teach you how in your high school. Having a top medical school must not be so bad since all of the top colleges have them. Plus, nearly every private college with a top endowment has one. Oops, forgot about Northeastern.

You have no clear metrics to base your Northeastern superiority on other than a gut feel. Go back to English class and learn how to research schools and rankings. Your arguments are sophomoric. You sound like a high school senior looking to drum up support for NEU

Calm down.

Someone brought up the VCU vs VT example.

VCU has a higher endowment, obviously from the medical stuff.

Nobody would say VCU > VT for undergrad choice.

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Anonymous wrote:UCLA, UCSD, UCI and probably even UCSB all get over 100k applications every year, UCLA is barely T50 regardless of public news rankings, the others are around a T100 school which is actually pretty good, think 50 states, T100 is top 2 per state and given states like NY and MA have many elite colleges T100 is actually very good

Northeastern is a solid school but in all seriousness its barely a T100, maybe in a few decades it could be perceived as a T50, but still too early to tell

A telling indicator is endowment, NEU is barely above $1 billion which is not in the T100 in the US

The T10 schools have enormous endowments which provides a real competitive advantage to not only attract students but also their experience + influence among alumni

Harvard has $53 billion, Yale $43 billion, Princeton $38 billion, Penn $38 billion, Columbia $14 billion, Cornell $10 billion, Dartmouth $8 billion, Brown $7 billion - keep in mind to get these endowments alumni + their networks had to donate funds which indicate that the alumni are disproportionately successful + loyal, important factors for consideration among the most talented of college applicants, think top 1% of top 1%, that one kid in a great high school that everybody knows can go anywhere, etc. - these are the kids that largely end up at T10 schools

NEU is around the T125 to T150 at $1 billion, similar to Fordham, Lafayette, or Bucknell

Its a great school but the perception among younger students is that its safety for students that are targeting T30 to T50 schools

UCLA is barely T50 and UCSB, UCSD are T100? What are you smoking?

Endowments relate to the prestige garnered by the school throughout its entire existence more so than its current quality.

Also, public universities tend to have lower endowments despite having a huge number of successful alumni because (a) they don't bother much in getting donations out of alumni and (b) they are backed by the state so (a) is unnecessary.

Is that why University of Texas has a larger endowment than any ivy other than Harvard? Texas A&M has a larger endowment than Darthmouth and Brown...combined. Michigan is larger than Columbia. You assertion of public not having large endowments is just talking out of your rearend without any basis in facts.

So you pick out 3 examples out of 100s of public universities in the country for your comparison?

UT Austin and Texas A&M both have high endowments due to oil money. They literally struck black gold. No other reason.

U. Michigan and UVA are outliers in terms of public endowment and their endowment is still paltry in a per-student basis compared to the privates like Columbia.

The endowment of the remaining top public universities - UC Berkeley, UCLA, UC San Diego, U. Washington, Georgia Tech, etc. etc. - rarely hits above $5 billion.

Pitt’s endowment is close to 5 billion. It’s ranked in the top 20 of all college endowments. And Pitt is public.

Some of the public shcools have large endowment due to the medical school and facilities, and the revenues from it.
It doesn't really effect undergraduate education much. It maybe beneficial to Pre-Med students a little.
Looks like Pitt is the case.

Obviously you don’t do your research, or did they forget to teach you how in your high school. Having a top medical school must not be so bad since all of the top colleges have them. Plus, nearly every private college with a top endowment has one. Oops, forgot about Northeastern.

You have no clear metrics to base your Northeastern superiority on other than a gut feel. Go back to English class and learn how to research schools and rankings. Your arguments are sophomoric. You sound like a high school senior looking to drum up support for NEU

Calm down.

Someone brought up the VCU vs VT example.

VCU has a higher endowment, obviously from the medical stuff.

Nobody would say VCU > VT for undergrad choice.

+1

OMG the daily rants, and hat sets this poster off, are so obvious!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:14 pages of nonsense... anyone who believes NEU is in T50 is out of his f'king mind. At best T70-T100 level school. I think OP's been trolling us all.

There's just like two NEU alums/parents who are reeeeeally insistent on trying to convince people that NEU is elite. They've been perpetuating the bulk of this thread.

[Anonymous]

Northeastern should be top 40. With GaTech and BC.

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Anonymous wrote:UCLA, UCSD, UCI and probably even UCSB all get over 100k applications every year, UCLA is barely T50 regardless of public news rankings, the others are around a T100 school which is actually pretty good, think 50 states, T100 is top 2 per state and given states like NY and MA have many elite colleges T100 is actually very good

Northeastern is a solid school but in all seriousness its barely a T100, maybe in a few decades it could be perceived as a T50, but still too early to tell

A telling indicator is endowment, NEU is barely above $1 billion which is not in the T100 in the US

The T10 schools have enormous endowments which provides a real competitive advantage to not only attract students but also their experience + influence among alumni

Harvard has $53 billion, Yale $43 billion, Princeton $38 billion, Penn $38 billion, Columbia $14 billion, Cornell $10 billion, Dartmouth $8 billion, Brown $7 billion - keep in mind to get these endowments alumni + their networks had to donate funds which indicate that the alumni are disproportionately successful + loyal, important factors for consideration among the most talented of college applicants, think top 1% of top 1%, that one kid in a great high school that everybody knows can go anywhere, etc. - these are the kids that largely end up at T10 schools

NEU is around the T125 to T150 at $1 billion, similar to Fordham, Lafayette, or Bucknell

Its a great school but the perception among younger students is that its safety for students that are targeting T30 to T50 schools

UCLA is barely T50 and UCSB, UCSD are T100? What are you smoking?

Endowments relate to the prestige garnered by the school throughout its entire existence more so than its current quality.

Also, public universities tend to have lower endowments despite having a huge number of successful alumni because (a) they don't bother much in getting donations out of alumni and (b) they are backed by the state so (a) is unnecessary.

Is that why University of Texas has a larger endowment than any ivy other than Harvard? Texas A&M has a larger endowment than Darthmouth and Brown...combined. Michigan is larger than Columbia. You assertion of public not having large endowments is just talking out of your rearend without any basis in facts.

So you pick out 3 examples out of 100s of public universities in the country for your comparison?

UT Austin and Texas A&M both have high endowments due to oil money. They literally struck black gold. No other reason.

U. Michigan and UVA are outliers in terms of public endowment and their endowment is still paltry in a per-student basis compared to the privates like Columbia.

The endowment of the remaining top public universities - UC Berkeley, UCLA, UC San Diego, U. Washington, Georgia Tech, etc. etc. - rarely hits above $5 billion.

Pitt’s endowment is close to 5 billion. It’s ranked in the top 20 of all college endowments. And Pitt is public.

Some of the public shcools have large endowment due to the medical school and facilities, and the revenues from it.
It doesn't really effect undergraduate education much. It maybe beneficial to Pre-Med students a little.
Looks like Pitt is the case.

Obviously you don’t do your research, or did they forget to teach you how in your high school. Having a top medical school must not be so bad since all of the top colleges have them. Plus, nearly every private college with a top endowment has one. Oops, forgot about Northeastern.

You have no clear metrics to base your Northeastern superiority on other than a gut feel. Go back to English class and learn how to research schools and rankings. Your arguments are sophomoric. You sound like a high school senior looking to drum up support for NEU

Calm down.

Someone brought up the VCU vs VT example.

VCU has a higher endowment, obviously from the medical stuff.

Nobody would say VCU > VT for undergrad choice.

+1

OMG the daily rants, and hat sets this poster off, are so obvious!

*what sets

[Anonymous]

LOL OP is clearly either a troll or lightly making a joke, and it really ticked off the haters. 
Haters took it really seriously by theT20 T10 comments.  
Ironically it's actually an indication that Northeastern is regarded that much good.  
If a troll starts a thread about a podunk school is T20, would anyone bother lol

It's only the haters who took it really seriously.
Northeastern folks don't claim anything.
They are probably the least of the prestige/ranking whores.  

Again, many of them can easily go to higher ranked schools if they care much about the ranking/prestige, but value and fit are what drive the choice for Northeastern.
It was ranked 40 a few years ago and 42 last year tied with BU.
Somehow it went down to 49(by USN&WR), however both application and yield soared.
Outside of T20-25ish schools, there's very few you can arguable claim is better than northeastern. 
Georgia Tech is one that comes to my mind, but my kid chose Northeastern over Georgia Tech because it's a better fit.
It comes down to personal preference, major/program, cost, and FIT for the schools outside of T20-25ish schools. 
For T20ish schools, I would buy more into the prestige.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ U. Michigan and UVA are outliers in terms of public endowment and their endowment is still paltry in a per-student basis compared to the privates like Columbia.”

Columbia has approximately a 4:1 graduate/undergraduate ratio. Typically most publics schools are 2 or 3:1 or more undergraduate/graduate ratios. Graduate students typically are way more expensive to educate than undergraduates since they take up more resources and the time of educators. Once again, endowment per student is not always the best way to determine education quality. Columbia is very overloaded as a graduate school. Not a good example to use at all!

Most endowment, usually about 80%, is restricted in purpose by the donor. Whatever purpose the donor designated may or may not benefit undergraduates. A lot of it may not.

Restricted to what?
Don't they normally donate it for scholarships and the departments or schools they graduated from?
A lot of it may be.

Restricted to the purpose they specified. e.g. an endowed professorship in the law school. That money isn't then used for undergraduate financial aid, for instance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LOL OP is clearly either a troll or lightly making a joke, and it really ticked off the haters. 
Haters took it really seriously by theT20 T10 comments.  
Ironically it's actually an indication that Northeastern is regarded that much good.  
If a troll starts a thread about a podunk school is T20, would anyone bother lol

It's only the haters who took it really seriously.
Northeastern folks don't claim anything.
They are probably the least of the prestige/ranking whores.

Again, many of them can easily go to higher ranked schools if they care much about the ranking/prestige, but value and fit are what drive the choice for Northeastern.
It was ranked 40 a few years ago and 42 last year tied with BU.
Somehow it went down to 49(by USN&WR), however both application and yield soared.
Outside of T20-25ish schools, there's very few you can arguable claim is better than northeastern. 
Georgia Tech is one that comes to my mind, but my kid chose Northeastern over Georgia Tech because it's a better fit.
It comes down to personal preference, major/program, cost, and FIT for the schools outside of T20-25ish schools. 
For T20ish schools, I would buy more into the prestige.

This is just patently untrue. Northeastern boosters getting more creative, lmao, I’ll give you that.

[Anonymous]

For some strange reason people think it has prestige. My friend's kid was rejected RD but told she could do one year abroad in London. Cost would be about 80k, does not include food, some no name college which is housed in a single building. There is no housing on their return to northeastern and the credits transfer as pass/fail only.
Sounds like an utter scam. But she is an okay student and wanted prestige so begged her parents to pay for this nonsense. What a joke.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For some strange reason people think it has prestige. My friend's kid was rejected RD but told she could do one year abroad in London. Cost would be about 80k, does not include food, some no name college which is housed in a single building. There is no housing on their return to northeastern and the credits transfer as pass/fail only.
Sounds like an utter scam. But she is an okay student and wanted prestige so begged her parents to pay for this nonsense. What a joke.

It's a complete scam. This is why Northeastern is trying so desperately to shore up fake prestige, in order to convince kids and their parents to pony up a premium for what is ultimately a subpar experience (NU Bound?).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For some strange reason people think it has prestige. My friend's kid was rejected RD but told she could do one year abroad in London. Cost would be about 80k, does not include food, some no name college which is housed in a single building. There is no housing on their return to northeastern and the credits transfer as pass/fail only.
Sounds like an utter scam. But she is an okay student and wanted prestige so begged her parents to pay for this nonsense. What a joke.

It's a complete scam. This is why Northeastern is trying so desperately to shore up fake prestige, in order to convince kids and their parents to pony up a premium for what is ultimately a subpar experience (NU Bound?).

Yes NU Bound.
Well kudos to Northeastern for being marketing geniuses. Selling subpar product in pretty packaging. It's like a Louis Vuitton. Somebody will always buy the bag because they love to show the LV all over it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For some strange reason people think it has prestige. My friend's kid was rejected RD but told she could do one year abroad in London. Cost would be about 80k, does not include food, some no name college which is housed in a single building. There is no housing on their return to northeastern and the credits transfer as pass/fail only.
Sounds like an utter scam. But she is an okay student and wanted prestige so begged her parents to pay for this nonsense. What a joke.

It's a complete scam. This is why Northeastern is trying so desperately to shore up fake prestige, in order to convince kids and their parents to pony up a premium for what is ultimately a subpar experience (NU Bound?).

Yes NU Bound.
Well kudos to Northeastern for being marketing geniuses. Selling subpar product in pretty packaging. It's like a Louis Vuitton. Somebody will always buy the bag because they love to show the LV all over it.

Why do people insist on calling these colleges subpar. Subpar to what- Harvard? Not every smart student will be admitted to a USNWR high ranked school. So what. Most colleges highly ranked or not try to educate students. Some of the highest ranked schools are very sketchy on who they admit. Oh your daddy isn’t President then I guess you have to go to Northeastern. Northeastern is for the rest of the students out there that want a good life too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For some strange reason people think it has prestige. My friend's kid was rejected RD but told she could do one year abroad in London. Cost would be about 80k, does not include food, some no name college which is housed in a single building. There is no housing on their return to northeastern and the credits transfer as pass/fail only.
Sounds like an utter scam. But she is an okay student and wanted prestige so begged her parents to pay for this nonsense. What a joke.

It's a complete scam. This is why Northeastern is trying so desperately to shore up fake prestige, in order to convince kids and their parents to pony up a premium for what is ultimately a subpar experience (NU Bound?).

Yes NU Bound.
Well kudos to Northeastern for being marketing geniuses. Selling subpar product in pretty packaging. It's like a Louis Vuitton. Somebody will always buy the bag because they love to show the LV all over it.

Jesus. How is this a scam? It is completely transparent. My kid got accepted to NU Bound but has decided to go elsewhere. But we commend the school for its efforts to accept as many kids as possible. NEU has way more demand than supply. It is trying to figure out creative ways to expand supply. The real question is why aren’t more schools doing this??? Imagine if all “top” schools tried to expand the number of students they could take on ? Maybe the way NEU is doing it (by the way, NYU and severs other schools have similar programs), or maybe they could come up with other creative ways. But, alas, too many of these schools are content to keep the number of available slots the same despite rising applications, making the whole admissions process less and less predictable.

Instead of bashing NEU for trying to give as many kids the opposite attend as possible, how about putting some heat on others to do the same?

[Anonymous]

Honestly, I had never even heard of Northeastern (or Pitt, for that matter) before reading this forum. What a silly thread.