Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is sooooooo hypocritical that we have athletes living in this country who get to enjoy all of the benefits of living in the US, but then go compete under the banner of another country. Eileen Gu loves all of the freedom in the US, was born a US citizen, yet has no qualms about enriching herself as an athlete for 'China' while the country she competes for has systemic oppression of multiple ethnic minorities ongoing at the moment. Zhu Yi is also a hypocrite, because she enjoys living in California while skating for China. Why is it that all of these traitors to the US Olympic seem to be coming from blue states like California too? If they are living in blue democrat states, shouldn't they be tuned into socially progressive agendas that run those states? How could you possibly live in California while simultaneously make money representing a country that commits some of the worst human rights violations in the modern world? Such hypocrisy. Athletes like Gu should lose all benefits of living in the US, starting with her presidential scholars program benefits, which is intended for US citizens.

Agree 100%. Eileen Gu in particular should not only lose her scholarship but also be shunned by US companies and shamed by the media for representing China with its horrific human rights abuses, chronic intellectual property theft, and cyber attacks on networks across the globe.

- hardcore Maggat-hating Democrat

What makes you think she needs a scholarship? This is a girl who went to a $50K/yr private school and currently makes millions of dollars a year from endorsements. She is not hurting for cash, and she's going to "not hurt" for it even less.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:this board would be a lot less mad about gu if she wasn’t a smoke show

Let’s be very honest here.

If she looked like Elaine chao, the vitriol would be 1/10 it is now

+1. This is more about a certain demographic feeling entitled to dominate and control a young, attractive woman, particularly an Asian one, than anything else.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:this board would be a lot less mad about gu if she wasn’t a smoke show

Let’s be very honest here.

If she looked like Elaine chao, the vitriol would be 1/10 it is now

+1. This is more about a certain demographic feeling entitled to dominate and control a young, attractive woman, particularly an Asian one, than anything else.

The irony is that Gu is viewed as a symbol of dominance and control by China on the global stage. Personally I think anyone should be free to choose their own path. I would not have done it, but she is obviously doing this for her own selfish reasons.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is sooooooo hypocritical that we have athletes living in this country who get to enjoy all of the benefits of living in the US, but then go compete under the banner of another country. Eileen Gu loves all of the freedom in the US, was born a US citizen, yet has no qualms about enriching herself as an athlete for 'China' while the country she competes for has systemic oppression of multiple ethnic minorities ongoing at the moment. Zhu Yi is also a hypocrite, because she enjoys living in California while skating for China. Why is it that all of these traitors to the US Olympic seem to be coming from blue states like California too? If they are living in blue democrat states, shouldn't they be tuned into socially progressive agendas that run those states? How could you possibly live in California while simultaneously make money representing a country that commits some of the worst human rights violations in the modern world? Such hypocrisy. Athletes like Gu should lose all benefits of living in the US, starting with her presidential scholars program benefits, which is intended for US citizens.

Agree 100%. Eileen Gu in particular should not only lose her scholarship but also be shunned by US companies and shamed by the media for representing China with its horrific human rights abuses, chronic intellectual property theft, and cyber attacks on networks across the globe.

- hardcore Maggat-hating Democrat

What makes you think she needs a scholarship? This is a girl who went to a $50K/yr private school and currently makes millions of dollars a year from endorsements. She is not hurting for cash, and she's going to "not hurt" for it even less.

Never said she needed the money - the money angle never occurred to me as of course she doesn’t need it. This is about principle folks. It’s the prestige of being a U.S. Presidential Scholar that she values and what it would symbolize in being rescinded because of her behavior.

Also don’t care that she is Asian, or Chinese-American or super pretty. All these things are great as far as I’m concerned. It’s her representing a country that is not her country of birth and much worse is a country that perpetrates horrors every day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is sooooooo hypocritical that we have athletes living in this country who get to enjoy all of the benefits of living in the US, but then go compete under the banner of another country. Eileen Gu loves all of the freedom in the US, was born a US citizen, yet has no qualms about enriching herself as an athlete for 'China' while the country she competes for has systemic oppression of multiple ethnic minorities ongoing at the moment. Zhu Yi is also a hypocrite, because she enjoys living in California while skating for China. Why is it that all of these traitors to the US Olympic seem to be coming from blue states like California too? If they are living in blue democrat states, shouldn't they be tuned into socially progressive agendas that run those states? How could you possibly live in California while simultaneously make money representing a country that commits some of the worst human rights violations in the modern world? Such hypocrisy. Athletes like Gu should lose all benefits of living in the US, starting with her presidential scholars program benefits, which is intended for US citizens.

Agree 100%. Eileen Gu in particular should not only lose her scholarship but also be shunned by US companies and shamed by the media for representing China with its horrific human rights abuses, chronic intellectual property theft, and cyber attacks on networks across the globe.

- hardcore Maggat-hating Democrat

What makes you think she needs a scholarship? This is a girl who went to a $50K/yr private school and currently makes millions of dollars a year from endorsements. She is not hurting for cash, and she's going to "not hurt" for it even less.

Never said she needed the money - the money angle never occurred to me as of course she doesn’t need it. This is about principle folks. It’s the prestige of being a U.S. Presidential Scholar that she values and what it would symbolize in being rescinded because of her behavior.

Also don’t care that she is Asian, or Chinese-American or super pretty. All these things are great as far as I’m concerned. It’s her representing a country that is not her country of birth and much worse is a country that perpetrates horrors every day.

If she isn’t a US citizen she isn’t eligible for this scholarship.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Eileen Gu is so sharp. Here is her answer to people like OP: "I know that I have a good heart, and I know my reasons for making the decisions I do are based on a greater common interest and something I feel is for the greater good," she said. "If other people don't really believe that that's where I'm coming from, then that just reflects that they do not have the empathy to empathize with a good heart, perhaps because they don't share the same kind of morals that I do."

"In that sense, I'm not going to waste my time trying to placate people who are, one, uneducated and, two, probably never going to experience the kind of joy and gratitude and love that I have the great fortune to experience on a daily basis," Gu said. "If people don't like me, that's their loss. They're never going to win the Olympics."

Maybe this statement sounds better in Chinese…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Gu is basically a traitor. If she hasn’t given up her US citizenship, it should be revoked.

Please stop use, wear, eat, or touch anything made in China. Including the free covid test kits and KN95 masks the government purchased and imported from China, using your tax dollar.
Please throw away your iphone, ipad, your laptop, your TV immediately. Please where your shoes, socks, and underwear were made.

What does using products from another country have to do with someone getting citizenship in another country to compete for them in the Olympics?

There are a lots of athletes who are us citizens represent other countries. No one asks other athletes to give up there us citizenship. Why Gu?
People claim that she supports a dictatorship, but we all do. Buying everything from China enables its government to slave its citizens, to bully other countries, to seize freedoms in HK. Soon it may invade Taiwan.

I think there are subtle racisms at play.

I have no doubt racism is at play.

Just look at Chloe Kim: https://people.com/sports/chloe-kim-says-she-gets-hundreds-of-racist-messages-monthly-opens-up-about-anti-asian-attacks/

Here's a quote:

"People belittled my accomplishment because I was Asian," Kim said. "There were messages in my DMs telling me to go back to China and to stop taking medals away from the white American girls on the team. I was so proud of my accomplishment, but instead I was sobbing in bed next to my mom, asking her, 'Why are people being so mean because I'm Asian?'"

She gets dozens of racist messages a day, and she's been getting them since she was 13. She's been winning golds for the USA, and yet she feels she needs to walk around with tasers, pepper spray and a knife.

The same racism that makes Chloe Kim fear for her safety is the same racism that's magnifying the backlash against Gu.

Reminds me of when Stephen Smith said it was bad for Ohtani to be the face of baseball: https://twitter.com/arashmarkazi/status/1414645250581090304?lang=en

A lot of people in America do not like seeing Asians or Asian Americans succeed, and they are nasty about it.

And New York Times recently argued that Asians are over-presented in figure skating, right before Nathan Chan got the Gold medal.

https://deadline.com/2022/02/new-york-times-gets-backlash-for-asian-american-figure-skating-overrepresented-article-1234932425/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is sooooooo hypocritical that we have athletes living in this country who get to enjoy all of the benefits of living in the US, but then go compete under the banner of another country. Eileen Gu loves all of the freedom in the US, was born a US citizen, yet has no qualms about enriching herself as an athlete for 'China' while the country she competes for has systemic oppression of multiple ethnic minorities ongoing at the moment. Zhu Yi is also a hypocrite, because she enjoys living in California while skating for China. Why is it that all of these traitors to the US Olympic seem to be coming from blue states like California too? If they are living in blue democrat states, shouldn't they be tuned into socially progressive agendas that run those states? How could you possibly live in California while simultaneously make money representing a country that commits some of the worst human rights violations in the modern world? Such hypocrisy. Athletes like Gu should lose all benefits of living in the US, starting with her presidential scholars program benefits, which is intended for US citizens.

So she also has no qualms about living in a country that has systemic oppression of multiple ethnic minorities ongoing at all times?

[Anonymous]

Does she pay for facilities she uses and for her coaching staff? If yes, welcome to capitalism baby!

[Anonymous]

A Hockey Player, born and raised in Canada, attended Princeton, worked in Wall Street, and now plays in Team China in the Olympics In Beijing. Does any one in the US or Canada have a problem?
“As a child, Kimberly Newell could never have aspired to a professional hockey gig in China. It was an option that did not exist until after she had retired post-graduation from Princeton University, one that the KRS Vanke Rays netminder joked she thought was a “scam” when it was first proposed in 2018. But this twist of fate allowed Newell to fulfill another dream simultaneously, a goal that she had set while studying Chinese in college. After the 2018-19 season, she had the opportunity to travel to her family’s home in Hangzhou, where she had one final conversation with her grandfather. “

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A Hockey Player, born and raised in Canada, attended Princeton, worked in Wall Street, and now plays in Team China in the Olympics In Beijing. Does any one in the US or Canada have a problem?
“As a child, Kimberly Newell could never have aspired to a professional hockey gig in China. It was an option that did not exist until after she had retired post-graduation from Princeton University, one that the KRS Vanke Rays netminder joked she thought was a “scam” when it was first proposed in 2018. But this twist of fate allowed Newell to fulfill another dream simultaneously, a goal that she had set while studying Chinese in college. After the 2018-19 season, she had the opportunity to travel to her family’s home in Hangzhou, where she had one final conversation with her grandfather. “

Yup. Difference is she wouldn’t qualify for US or Canadian hockey team so it was her only choice if she wanted to compete at Olympics.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A Hockey Player, born and raised in Canada, attended Princeton, worked in Wall Street, and now plays in Team China in the Olympics In Beijing. Does any one in the US or Canada have a problem?
“As a child, Kimberly Newell could never have aspired to a professional hockey gig in China. It was an option that did not exist until after she had retired post-graduation from Princeton University, one that the KRS Vanke Rays netminder joked she thought was a “scam” when it was first proposed in 2018. But this twist of fate allowed Newell to fulfill another dream simultaneously, a goal that she had set while studying Chinese in college. After the 2018-19 season, she had the opportunity to travel to her family’s home in Hangzhou, where she had one final conversation with her grandfather. “

Yup. Difference is she wouldn’t qualify for US or Canadian hockey team so it was her only choice if she wanted to compete at Olympics.

Yes, I have no problem with her competing in olympics for china.

[Anonymous]

It looks like on Instagram Gu suggested that anyone can get a VPN for free and access Insta just like she does. Unfortunately in China VPNs are illegal. And her comment has now disappeared from where it was posted on Weibo. It looks like maybe she should have spent more time in China following their laws to avoid this sort of thing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So much hatred in this thread. Way to go! I would like to see the posters get off their obese American asses and try to skate or ski at the level these young women do. If you are not aware, the United States or private companies do not invest a penny in growing athletes like other countries do. They provide literal nothing. The parents of these women paid for private lessons, equipment, coaches etc so they don’t owe anything to this country. Nothing .

I don’t hate Gu. I do question her choice and I certainly question how she was parented. I guess many of you are saying that financial considerations should easily trump patriotism for one’s country. That’s just sad.

Don't talk like the communists. They use patriotism to incite mobs and beat down the individuals.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Gu is basically a traitor. If she hasn’t given up her US citizenship, it should be revoked.

Please stop use, wear, eat, or touch anything made in China. Including the free covid test kits and KN95 masks the government purchased and imported from China, using your tax dollar.
Please throw away your iphone, ipad, your laptop, your TV immediately. Please where your shoes, socks, and underwear were made.

What does using products from another country have to do with someone getting citizenship in another country to compete for them in the Olympics?

There are a lots of athletes who are us citizens represent other countries. No one asks other athletes to give up there us citizenship. Why Gu?
People claim that she supports a dictatorship, but we all do. Buying everything from China enables its government to slave its citizens, to bully other countries, to seize freedoms in HK. Soon it may invade Taiwan.

I think there are subtle racisms at play.

I have no doubt racism is at play.

Just look at Chloe Kim: https://people.com/sports/chloe-kim-says-she-gets-hundreds-of-racist-messages-monthly-opens-up-about-anti-asian-attacks/

Here's a quote:

"People belittled my accomplishment because I was Asian," Kim said. "There were messages in my DMs telling me to go back to China and to stop taking medals away from the white American girls on the team. I was so proud of my accomplishment, but instead I was sobbing in bed next to my mom, asking her, 'Why are people being so mean because I'm Asian?'"

She gets dozens of racist messages a day, and she's been getting them since she was 13. She's been winning golds for the USA, and yet she feels she needs to walk around with tasers, pepper spray and a knife.

The same racism that makes Chloe Kim fear for her safety is the same racism that's magnifying the backlash against Gu.

Reminds me of when Stephen Smith said it was bad for Ohtani to be the face of baseball: https://twitter.com/arashmarkazi/status/1414645250581090304?lang=en

A lot of people in America do not like seeing Asians or Asian Americans succeed, and they are nasty about it.

And New York Times recently argued that Asians are over-presented in figure skating, right before Nathan Chan got the Gold medal.

https://deadline.com/2022/02/new-york-times-gets-backlash-for-asian-american-figure-skating-overrepresented-article-1234932425/

The messages to Chloe Kim are terrible!

I don't understand the backlash over the NYT article. Why it is offensive to say Asian Americans are over-represented in figure skating if that is indeed a factual statement? It is the same thing as if someone said Black Americans are overrepresented in the NFL or Male Americans are over-represented in technology companies or Elderly Americans are over-represented in the Presidency.

How should it be worded appropriately to say that a certain group holds proportion of the group that is more than what is seen in the general population?