Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries

[Anonymous]

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It's rather interesting that Zhu renounced her US citizenship in 2018 to become a Chinese citizenship. Her father who is an award winning scientist in artificial intelligence was working at UCLA, but now he is at Peking University. She is obviously not a great skater so it begs the question . . . did they want her or her father?

She can reclaim her US citizenship, I believe. She may not be a great skier but she may be better than any China has to offer so it is still a plus for their effort. Interesting re her dad. Also, has she always used "Gu" as her family name or did she drop her father's name to be more Chinese?

[Anonymous]

I'm a dual national due to a foreign-born parent. I don't prize one citizenship over another. If I were an Olympic-level athlete, I might consider representing my other country since it is much smaller and has fewer winning Olympic athletes than the US. I don't know anything about the athletes cited in this thread and they may very well be political pawns, but I'm pretty sure they're not the first to represent another country.

I just checked and apparently Team USA has at least 33_ foreign-born Olympians.

"At least 33 of the TeamUSA Olympians were not born here, but have made the United States their home and proudly represent this country. Thirteen hail from Europe, followed by seven from Asia, six from Africa, five from the Americas, and two from Australia. These foreign-born athletes comprise approximately five percent of the US delegation and represent the best of US athletics from track and field to equestrian, fencing, table tennis, volleyball, water polo, and 15 additional sports. These international athletes take a variety of paths to arrive in the United States, and they contribute to the overall success of TeamUSA."

https://iir.gmu.edu/articles/16201

[Anonymous]

https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/33160624/...elicate-balancing-act-china-us

I feel a little bad for her. She chose to compete for China when she was only 15. And that was a decision with major consequences for the rest of her life. It certainly looks like her mother pressured her to make this decision. She had to renounced her US citizenship and for the rest of her life will have to toe the line China sets. She’s certainly losing endorsement $$$.

I have kids in their late teens. So, I know 15 year olds can be convinced to do stupid stuff. She’s subject to the whims of the Chinese government. So no OP, she doesn’t get all the benefits of being American anymore. Because legally she isn’t American.

She can probably buy back her American citizenship later. She will have plenty of money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It's rather interesting that Zhu renounced her US citizenship in 2018 to become a Chinese citizenship. Her father who is an award winning scientist in artificial intelligence was working at UCLA, but now he is at Peking University. She is obviously not a great skater so it begs the question . . . did they want her or her father?

He should be forced to pay back every single grant dollar her took.

Why? The government got the resulting benefits of any research they funded.

[Anonymous]

[quoteGetting back your citizenship will be irrevocable and irreversible. The only exception to getting back U.S. citizenship is if you renounced before age 18.

Just saw this on the internet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It's rather interesting that Zhu renounced her US citizenship in 2018 to become a Chinese citizenship. Her father who is an award winning scientist in artificial intelligence was working at UCLA, but now he is at Peking University. She is obviously not a great skater so it begs the question . . . did they want her or her father?

He should be forced to pay back every single grant dollar her took.

Why? The government got the resulting benefits of any research they funded.

You've clearly never done research in academia. The USG can fund researchers to do all of the hard foundational level work, and then just as projects start to become mature enough to start paying off, the Chinese govt will lure them away where they will take nearly all of the rewards. Your assumption is often wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It's rather interesting that Zhu renounced her US citizenship in 2018 to become a Chinese citizenship. Her father who is an award winning scientist in artificial intelligence was working at UCLA, but now he is at Peking University. She is obviously not a great skater so it begs the question . . . did they want her or her father?

She can reclaim her US citizenship, I believe. She may not be a great skier but she may be better than any China has to offer so it is still a plus for their effort. Interesting re her dad. Also, has she always used "Gu" as her family name or did she drop her father's name to be more Chinese?

Reclaiming US citizenship isn’t some automatic or easy thing. In most cases it’s impossible. She’s now a Chinese citizen. No American anything. That’s gone. China can decide she doesn’t leave China for college and disappear her like Peng and she has no recourse. They can take money she makes or retaliate against her family if she makes headlines for the wrong reasons. An iPhone video of her saying Hong Kong is being handled poorly surfaces, and she’s done.

It not a position I’d want for my daughter. Especially after Peng’s allegations. But I guess if you are a 15 year old Asian American kid, you do what your parents say.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

It's rather interesting that Zhu renounced her US citizenship in 2018 to become a Chinese citizenship. Her father who is an award winning scientist in artificial intelligence was working at UCLA, but now he is at Peking University. She is obviously not a great skater so it begs the question . . . did they want her or her father?


She can reclaim her US citizenship, I believe. She may not be a great skier but she may be better than any China has to offer so it is still a plus for their effort. Interesting re her dad. Also, has she always used "Gu" as her family name or did she drop her father's name to be more Chinese?

Just to clarify . . . Zhu and Gu are two different people. Zhu is the skater and Gu is the skier. I was talking about Zhu here (the skater). The skier/snowboarder is not the one with the scientist dad. The scientist dad is Zhu's, the skater's father. Gu's (the skier) father is an American and and her mother is Chinese. So far it looks like Zhu is not going to get a medal (she fell yesterday). Gu is a good skier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It's rather interesting that Zhu renounced her US citizenship in 2018 to become a Chinese citizenship. Her father who is an award winning scientist in artificial intelligence was working at UCLA, but now he is at Peking University. She is obviously not a great skater so it begs the question . . . did they want her or her father?

She can reclaim her US citizenship, I believe. She may not be a great skier but she may be better than any China has to offer so it is still a plus for their effort. Interesting re her dad. Also, has she always used "Gu" as her family name or did she drop her father's name to be more Chinese?

Reclaiming US citizenship isn’t some automatic or easy thing. In most cases it’s impossible. She’s now a Chinese citizen. No American anything. That’s gone. China can decide she doesn’t leave China for college and disappear her like Peng and she has no recourse. They can take money she makes or retaliate against her family if she makes headlines for the wrong reasons. An iPhone video of her saying Hong Kong is being handled poorly surfaces, and she’s done.

It not a position I’d want for my daughter. Especially after Peng’s allegations. But I guess if you are a 15 year old Asian American kid, you do what your parents say.

The most hypocritical part about it all is that Gu is a supporter of movements like BLM, yet at the same time competes for a country oppressing many types of ethnic minorities. I mean Stanford really let this walking ball of two faced hypocrisy through their doors? I though academia in the US were supposed to be the last line of defense for western ideology, democracy, and freedom of speech....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It's rather interesting that Zhu renounced her US citizenship in 2018 to become a Chinese citizenship. Her father who is an award winning scientist in artificial intelligence was working at UCLA, but now he is at Peking University. She is obviously not a great skater so it begs the question . . . did they want her or her father?

She can reclaim her US citizenship, I believe. She may not be a great skier but she may be better than any China has to offer so it is still a plus for their effort. Interesting re her dad. Also, has she always used "Gu" as her family name or did she drop her father's name to be more Chinese?

Reclaiming US citizenship isn’t some automatic or easy thing. In most cases it’s impossible. She’s now a Chinese citizen. No American anything. That’s gone. China can decide she doesn’t leave China for college and disappear her like Peng and she has no recourse. They can take money she makes or retaliate against her family if she makes headlines for the wrong reasons. An iPhone video of her saying Hong Kong is being handled poorly surfaces, and she’s done.

It not a position I’d want for my daughter. Especially after Peng’s allegations. But I guess if you are a 15 year old Asian American kid, you do what your parents say.

The most hypocritical part about it all is that Gu is a supporter of movements like BLM, yet at the same time competes for a country oppressing many types of ethnic minorities. I mean Stanford really let this walking ball of two faced hypocrisy through their doors? I though academia in the US were supposed to be the last line of defense for western ideology, democracy, and freedom of speech....

Oppressing minorities? What are you talking about? The Chinese constitution protects minority groups. Heck, minority representatives to the National People's Congress even get to wear their ornate ceremonial clothing to all meetings (where they are taken very very seriously).

[Anonymous]

What about Jazmine Fenlator-Victorian, the bobsledder who competed for the US and then Jamaica? The swimmers, Milorad Cavic and Julimar Avila…..and lots more. Are they all traitors or just athletes who desperately want to compete in sports they have devoted their lives to but which, unfortunately, they are not good enough in to make the cut for the US Olympic team?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It's rather interesting that Zhu renounced her US citizenship in 2018 to become a Chinese citizenship. Her father who is an award winning scientist in artificial intelligence was working at UCLA, but now he is at Peking University. She is obviously not a great skater so it begs the question . . . did they want her or her father?

He should be forced to pay back every single grant dollar her took.

Why? The government got the resulting benefits of any research they funded.

You've clearly never done research in academia. The USG can fund researchers to do all of the hard foundational level work, and then just as projects start to become mature enough to start paying off, the Chinese govt will lure them away where they will take nearly all of the rewards. Your assumption is often wrong.

I am in research field and manages a lot of R&D funding. This is happening more than people realize and there is a significant amount of IP theft(read several hundreds of B$s) that happens every year from China. This needs to stop.

[Anonymous]

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How about Americans who get college paid for and then go to work in other countries and for other countries? Are they hypocrites?

Way to compare apples to oranges. Other countries have specific scholarship programs intended for anyone, including people who are not citizens. They also have scholarship programs intended for their own citizens. It'd be like a German citizen in Germany enjoying all of the scholarship programs for German citizens only, yet going out an competing for Russia.

Gu enjoys everything about the US, yet enriches herself competing for China. The hypocrisy is truly astounding. It's funny how progressives will defend her when she competes for the country systematically wiping out Uyghurs while the same progressives will chastise China over the issue. You can't have it both ways.

Wtf are you talking about? No one I know who is a progressive is “defending” Gu. Frankly, I find her participation on behalf of China and her plastic surgery to be really gross.

Same. Progressive here. She is making the decision to go against her former country. What she is doing is disgusting. I will root against her and hope she fails spectacularly, as did Zhu (which made me smile watching fall over and over).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It's rather interesting that Zhu renounced her US citizenship in 2018 to become a Chinese citizenship. Her father who is an award winning scientist in artificial intelligence was working at UCLA, but now he is at Peking University. She is obviously not a great skater so it begs the question . . . did they want her or her father?

He should be forced to pay back every single grant dollar her took.

Why? The government got the resulting benefits of any research they funded.

You've clearly never done research in academia. The USG can fund researchers to do all of the hard foundational level work, and then just as projects start to become mature enough to start paying off, the Chinese govt will lure them away where they will take nearly all of the rewards. Your assumption is often wrong.

I am in research field and manages a lot of R&D funding. This is happening more than people realize and there is a significant amount of IP theft(read several hundreds of B$s) that happens every year from China. This needs to stop.

This- it’s a huge issue for industry.

[Anonymous]

Okay, so detail how to stop it.