Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries

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This is nothing new. It's happened many times in the past.

For that matter many athletes for other countries train in the US. They use American coaches and American facilities. Should this not be allowed?

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Mini Olympians, especially women, train in the US. This is nothing new.

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Anonymous wrote:Mini Olympians, especially women, train in the US. This is nothing new.

What are mini Olympians?

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I think people who cheer children to fail are pretty gross.

I felt awful for the poor skater, who does now live in China. She doesn't train here.

I fear for her and her family now. I do hope that she is allowed to compete in the actual women's competition and do better.

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It's rather interesting that Zhu renounced her US citizenship in 2018 to become a Chinese citizenship. Her father who is an award winning scientist in artificial intelligence was working at UCLA, but now he is at Peking University. She is obviously not a great skater so it begs the question . . . did they want her or her father?

She can reclaim her US citizenship, I believe. She may not be a great skier but she may be better than any China has to offer so it is still a plus for their effort. Interesting re her dad. Also, has she always used "Gu" as her family name or did she drop her father's name to be more Chinese?

Reclaiming US citizenship isn’t some automatic or easy thing. In most cases it’s impossible. She’s now a Chinese citizen. No American anything. That’s gone. China can decide she doesn’t leave China for college and disappear her like Peng and she has no recourse. They can take money she makes or retaliate against her family if she makes headlines for the wrong reasons. An iPhone video of her saying Hong Kong is being handled poorly surfaces, and she’s done.

It not a position I’d want for my daughter. Especially after Peng’s allegations. But I guess if you are a 15 year old Asian American kid, you do what your parents say.

The most hypocritical part about it all is that Gu is a supporter of movements like BLM, yet at the same time competes for a country oppressing many types of ethnic minorities. I mean Stanford really let this walking ball of two faced hypocrisy through their doors? I though academia in the US were supposed to be the last line of defense for western ideology, democracy, and freedom of speech....

Oppressing minorities? What are you talking about? The Chinese constitution protects minority groups. Heck, minority representatives to the National People's Congress even get to wear their ornate ceremonial clothing to all meetings (where they are taken very very seriously).

Seriously the most laughable comment ever posted on DCUM.

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the US has not paid for her training. So let her pick who she wants to represent. this is a really dumb thing to be upset about.

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Anonymous wrote:It is sooooooo hypocritical that we have athletes living in this country who get to enjoy all of the benefits of living in the US, but then go compete under the banner of another country. Eileen Gu loves all of the freedom in the US, was born a US citizen, yet has no qualms about enriching herself as an athlete for 'China' while the country she competes for has systemic oppression of multiple ethnic minorities ongoing at the moment. Zhu Yi is also a hypocrite, because she enjoys living in California while skating for China. Why is it that all of these traitors to the US Olympic seem to be coming from blue states like California too? If they are living in blue democrat states, shouldn't they be tuned into socially progressive agendas that run those states? How could you possibly live in California while simultaneously make money representing a country that commits some of the worst human rights violations in the modern world? Such hypocrisy. Athletes like Gu should lose all benefits of living in the US, starting with her presidential scholars program benefits, which is intended for US citizens.

There's a lot of nonsense in here, but the bolded really stands out. So, you think that anyone living in a "blue state" is a hypocrite if they don't adopt progressive beliefs? That because a state consistently voted for democrats in statewide elections, everyone in the state is required to be a democrat? More than 6 million Californians voted for Trump. Are they hypocrites, too, because they live in a blue state and don't adhere to progressive values? This is beyond idiocy.

In any event, aren't you and your ilk always going on and on about how socialism is terrible, and capitalism is the best? Free markets, where people have to make their own way without government interference? Isn't this the essence of capitalism? She's going to make millions.

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It's rather interesting that Zhu renounced her US citizenship in 2018 to become a Chinese citizenship. Her father who is an award winning scientist in artificial intelligence was working at UCLA, but now he is at Peking University. She is obviously not a great skater so it begs the question . . . did they want her or her father?

He should be forced to pay back every single grant dollar her took.

Why? The government got the resulting benefits of any research they funded.

You've clearly never done research in academia. The USG can fund researchers to do all of the hard foundational level work, and then just as projects start to become mature enough to start paying off, the Chinese govt will lure them away where they will take nearly all of the rewards. Your assumption is often wrong.

I am in research field and manages a lot of R&D funding. This is happening more than people realize and there is a significant amount of IP theft(read several hundreds of B$s) that happens every year from China. This needs to stop.

This- it’s a huge issue for industry.

What is IP theft?

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Anonymous wrote:It is sooooooo hypocritical that we have athletes living in this country who get to enjoy all of the benefits of living in the US, but then go compete under the banner of another country. Eileen Gu loves all of the freedom in the US, was born a US citizen, yet has no qualms about enriching herself as an athlete for 'China' while the country she competes for has systemic oppression of multiple ethnic minorities ongoing at the moment. Zhu Yi is also a hypocrite, because she enjoys living in California while skating for China. Why is it that all of these traitors to the US Olympic seem to be coming from blue states like California too? If they are living in blue democrat states, shouldn't they be tuned into socially progressive agendas that run those states? How could you possibly live in California while simultaneously make money representing a country that commits some of the worst human rights violations in the modern world? Such hypocrisy. Athletes like Gu should lose all benefits of living in the US, starting with her presidential scholars program benefits, which is intended for US citizens.

Perhaps she didn’t make the American team but meets the citizenship requirements to represent China?

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Anonymous wrote:It is sooooooo hypocritical that we have athletes living in this country who get to enjoy all of the benefits of living in the US, but then go compete under the banner of another country. Eileen Gu loves all of the freedom in the US, was born a US citizen, yet has no qualms about enriching herself as an athlete for 'China' while the country she competes for has systemic oppression of multiple ethnic minorities ongoing at the moment. Zhu Yi is also a hypocrite, because she enjoys living in California while skating for China. Why is it that all of these traitors to the US Olympic seem to be coming from blue states like California too? If they are living in blue democrat states, shouldn't they be tuned into socially progressive agendas that run those states? How could you possibly live in California while simultaneously make money representing a country that commits some of the worst human rights violations in the modern world? Such hypocrisy. Athletes like Gu should lose all benefits of living in the US, starting with her presidential scholars program benefits, which is intended for US citizens.

Perhaps she didn’t make the American team but meets the citizenship requirements to represent China?

Ding ding ding. She wasn't good enough for the American team but was both eligible and good enough for the weaker Chinese team. Her only chance of going to the Olympics was with China. I have no problem with her doing that. This happens all the time in sports and is not a big deal.

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Anonymous wrote:It is sooooooo hypocritical that we have athletes living in this country who get to enjoy all of the benefits of living in the US, but then go compete under the banner of another country. Eileen Gu loves all of the freedom in the US, was born a US citizen, yet has no qualms about enriching herself as an athlete for 'China' while the country she competes for has systemic oppression of multiple ethnic minorities ongoing at the moment. Zhu Yi is also a hypocrite, because she enjoys living in California while skating for China. Why is it that all of these traitors to the US Olympic seem to be coming from blue states like California too? If they are living in blue democrat states, shouldn't they be tuned into socially progressive agendas that run those states? How could you possibly live in California while simultaneously make money representing a country that commits some of the worst human rights violations in the modern world? Such hypocrisy. Athletes like Gu should lose all benefits of living in the US, starting with her presidential scholars program benefits, which is intended for US citizens.

Elite athletes do it all the time if they think competing for another country would increase their chances to enter international competitions.

You calling Zhu a hypocrite and a traitor tells me you're very new to watching skating.

Did you boil with venom when Kristin Fraser took Azerbaijani citizenship to compete for Azerbaijan? She'd never make it out of sectionals in the US, but skating for a small, corrupt, obscure Azerbaijan she became a four-times national champion and a two-time Olympian.

Country allegiance is out. Country shopping is in. It's been in for a while.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/33160624/olympics-2022-freeski-star-eileen-gu-delicate-balancing-act-china-us

I feel a little bad for her. She chose to compete for China when she was only 15. And that was a decision with major consequences for the rest of her life. It certainly looks like her mother pressured her to make this decision. She had to renounced her US citizenship and for the rest of her life will have to toe the line China sets. She’s certainly losing endorsement $$$.

I have kids in their late teens. So, I know 15 year olds can be convinced to do stupid stuff. She’s subject to the whims of the Chinese government. So no OP, she doesn’t get all the benefits of being American anymore. Because legally she isn’t American.

If she truly did it at 15, she can get it back any time.

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Anonymous wrote:It is sooooooo hypocritical that we have athletes living in this country who get to enjoy all of the benefits of living in the US, but then go compete under the banner of another country. Eileen Gu loves all of the freedom in the US, was born a US citizen, yet has no qualms about enriching herself as an athlete for 'China' while the country she competes for has systemic oppression of multiple ethnic minorities ongoing at the moment. Zhu Yi is also a hypocrite, because she enjoys living in California while skating for China. Why is it that all of these traitors to the US Olympic seem to be coming from blue states like California too? If they are living in blue democrat states, shouldn't they be tuned into socially progressive agendas that run those states? How could you possibly live in California while simultaneously make money representing a country that commits some of the worst human rights violations in the modern world? Such hypocrisy. Athletes like Gu should lose all benefits of living in the US, starting with her presidential scholars program benefits, which is intended for US citizens.

Perhaps she didn’t make the American team but meets the citizenship requirements to represent China?

Ding ding ding. She wasn't good enough for the American team but was both eligible and good enough for the weaker Chinese team. Her only chance of going to the Olympics was with China. I have no problem with her doing that. This happens all the time in sports and is not a big deal.

You're talking about two different people. Eileen Gu could win multiple golds. She's definitely have made the US team. (And I still have no problem with her doing tis.)

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a dual national due to a foreign-born parent. I don't prize one citizenship over another. If I were an Olympic-level athlete, I might consider representing my other country since it is much smaller and has fewer winning Olympic athletes than the US. I don't know anything about the athletes cited in this thread and they may very well be political pawns, but I'm pretty sure they're not the first to represent another country.

I just checked and apparently Team USA has at least 33_ foreign-born Olympians.

"At least 33 of the TeamUSA Olympians were not born here, but have made the United States their home and proudly represent this country. Thirteen hail from Europe, followed by seven from Asia, six from Africa, five from the Americas, and two from Australia. These foreign-born athletes comprise approximately five percent of the US delegation and represent the best of US athletics from track and field to equestrian, fencing, table tennis, volleyball, water polo, and 15 additional sports. These international athletes take a variety of paths to arrive in the United States, and they contribute to the overall success of TeamUSA."

https://iir.gmu.edu/articles/16201

Indeed! It goes both ways OP.

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Anonymous wrote:It is sooooooo hypocritical that we have athletes living in this country who get to enjoy all of the benefits of living in the US, but then go compete under the banner of another country. Eileen Gu loves all of the freedom in the US, was born a US citizen, yet has no qualms about enriching herself as an athlete for 'China' while the country she competes for has systemic oppression of multiple ethnic minorities ongoing at the moment. Zhu Yi is also a hypocrite, because she enjoys living in California while skating for China. Why is it that all of these traitors to the US Olympic seem to be coming from blue states like California too? If they are living in blue democrat states, shouldn't they be tuned into socially progressive agendas that run those states? How could you possibly live in California while simultaneously make money representing a country that commits some of the worst human rights violations in the modern world? Such hypocrisy. Athletes like Gu should lose all benefits of living in the US, starting with her presidential scholars program benefits, which is intended for US citizens.

Perhaps she didn’t make the American team but meets the citizenship requirements to represent China?

She was born and raised, trained and educated, and lives in the U.S. She is (was) a U.S. citizen. She is a gold metal favorite in multiple events. She had to apply for Chinese citizenship in order to ski for China in the Olympics. Her mother is Chinese and Gu spent summers there. Her father is American.