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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I'm the pp, and I can't believe how many here have emphasized that immigrants are BREAKING THE LAW. What about all of the American citizens BREAKING THE LAW by hiring them? Why are we only focused on one group of lawbreakers?


Totally agree that the two parties collude to break the law - and more than one of them. It is illegal to enter the US without authorization. It is illegal to work in the US without authorization. It is illegal to hire a worker who is not authorized to work in the US. It is illegal to fail to pay employment taxes - no matter if the worker is legal or not. It is illegal to fail to report income and pay the taxes (if any - 47% of wage earners pay zero or get money given to them that they never paid in). I totally agree - prosecute them all.
Anonymous
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
James Madison kept is simple, and I agree with him:

Federalist Paper 51: "It is of great importance in a republic not only to guard the society against the oppression of its rulers but to guard one part of the society against the injustice of the other part. If a majority be united by a common interest, the rights of the minority will be insecure."


You could keep it simpler still and just say that you don't agree with majority rule. That's fine. I believe the same thing. Protection of minority rights is one of the most important issues to me. Why you simply can't bring yourself to say this is beyond me. But, of course, you can't scream how you want majority rule when it works for you and quote James Madison when it does doesn't.



Of course, you can't talk about "protecting minority rights" in the context of the Senate without pointing out that it's only the rights of rural white folks we care about in this country. The history of the 19th century Western expansion in this country is the history of gerrymandering outsized political power to rural western states.

If we gave a damn about "protecting minority rights," Detroit would have two senators--not fucking Wyoming...
jsteele
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Anonymous wrote:If we gave a damn about "protecting minority rights," Detroit would have two senators--not fucking Wyoming...


I don't know about Detroit (does anyone still live there?), but DC would have two Senators. Wyoming 2009 population: 544,270. DC 2009 population: 599,657.

The sheep in Wyoming are better represented than I am.
Anonymous
jsteele wrote:If you were stopped on the street today, could you prove that you are legally here? If not, don't go to Arizona.


According to the Birthers, a state-issued certificate of live birth at a US hospital is not proof that you are a US citizen, so look out.
Anonymous
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If we gave a damn about "protecting minority rights," Detroit would have two senators--not fucking Wyoming...


I don't know about Detroit (does anyone still live there?), but DC would have two Senators. Wyoming 2009 population: 544,270. DC 2009 population: 599,657.

The sheep in Wyoming are better represented than I am.


Exactly--just pointing out that when conservative celebrate the Senate's grand tradition of "protecting minority rights" they use it to almost exclusively mean "protect the rights of white Christian conservatives against the brown hordes". There's a reason the fillibuster was an arcane parliamentary maneuver--rarely used--until the final years of Jim Crow.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I'm the pp, and I can't believe how many here have emphasized that immigrants are BREAKING THE LAW. What about all of the American citizens BREAKING THE LAW by hiring them? Why are we only focused on one group of lawbreakers?


Real ID, ICE raids, massive prosecution of employers, a social security system with real employer verification mechanisms--these are all things YOUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT has not implemented. THAT'S WHY AZ IS ACTING.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm the pp, and I can't believe how many here have emphasized that immigrants are BREAKING THE LAW. What about all of the American citizens BREAKING THE LAW by hiring them? Why are we only focused on one group of lawbreakers?


Totally agree that the two parties collude to break the law - and more than one of them. It is illegal to enter the US without authorization. It is illegal to work in the US without authorization. It is illegal to hire a worker who is not authorized to work in the US. It is illegal to fail to pay employment taxes - no matter if the worker is legal or not. It is illegal to fail to report income and pay the taxes (if any - 47% of wage earners pay zero or get money given to them that they never paid in). I totally agree - prosecute them all.


Yeah, though to be fair, US citizens have the stronger obligation to obey US law...
jsteele
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Anonymous wrote:
Real ID, ICE raids, massive prosecution of employers, a social security system with real employer verification mechanisms--these are all things YOUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT has not implemented. THAT'S WHY AZ IS ACTING.


Arizona passed a law prohibiting implementation of Real ID. The state's concern about IDs only extends to brown people.
Anonymous
When Arizona passed a bill to reject Real ID, they said it was too big brotherish, that it intruded on privacy, and secondarily that they didn't want to pay for it. So now they have a requirement for people to prove citizenship, and they have no identity card with which to do it. So it is up to you to keep whatever jumble of documents you think might suffice. Morons.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:When Arizona passed a bill to reject Real ID, they said it was too big brotherish, that it intruded on privacy, and secondarily that they didn't want to pay for it. So now they have a requirement for people to prove citizenship, and they have no identity card with which to do it. So it is up to you to keep whatever jumble of documents you think might suffice. Morons.

Factually incorrect.

The AZ drivers license or an AZ state id card will de facto be presumption of legal status. It's in the law. But let's not let the facts interfere with your narrative.
jsteele
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Anonymous wrote:
The AZ drivers license or an AZ state id card will de facto be presumption of legal status. It's in the law. But let's not let the facts interfere with your narrative.


Of course, if you don't have either of those (being from out of state, perhaps), "it is up to you to keep whatever jumble of documents you think might suffice". Don't let reality interfere with your narrative.
Anonymous
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If we gave a damn about "protecting minority rights," Detroit would have two senators--not fucking Wyoming...


I don't know about Detroit (does anyone still live there?), but DC would have two Senators. Wyoming 2009 population: 544,270. DC 2009 population: 599,657.

The sheep in Wyoming are better represented than I am.



Didn't you make the choice to live in DC as opposed to Maryland or Virginia where you would be better represented than Wyoming's sheep?
jsteele
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Anonymous wrote:Didn't you make the choice to live in DC as opposed to Maryland or Virginia where you would be better represented than Wyoming's sheep?


Yes, but I was a supporter of DC Statehood before I even moved from Illinois. One thing that really bugs me is people who are only concerned about their own interests. I'm male, but I supported and still support women's rights. I'm white, but I support minority rights. I'm straight, but I support gay marriage an all other rights for gays. I didn't have to move to DC to understand that taxation without representation is wrong.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If we gave a damn about "protecting minority rights," Detroit would have two senators--not fucking Wyoming...


I don't know about Detroit (does anyone still live there?), but DC would have two Senators. Wyoming 2009 population: 544,270. DC 2009 population: 599,657.

The sheep in Wyoming are better represented than I am.



Didn't you make the choice to live in DC as opposed to Maryland or Virginia where you would be better represented than Wyoming's sheep?


I suppose the disgruntled Colonists should have gone back to England instead of founding our great nation?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If we gave a damn about "protecting minority rights," Detroit would have two senators--not fucking Wyoming...


I don't know about Detroit (does anyone still live there?), but DC would have two Senators. Wyoming 2009 population: 544,270. DC 2009 population: 599,657.

The sheep in Wyoming are better represented than I am.



Didn't you make the choice to live in DC as opposed to Maryland or Virginia where you would be better represented than Wyoming's sheep?


I suppose the disgruntled Colonists should have gone back to England instead of founding our great nation?


Good point. After all, they chose to move here.
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