2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort

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Anonymous wrote:I live in Florida and I wouldn't mind if gators went extinct. Nothing but problems. Gross.

I agree. They are a nusiance. How much tax payer dollars are spent protecting them? I wonder how long it would take to kill 'em all or at least reduce the population by half.

lol

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Anonymous wrote:I live in Florida and I wouldn't mind if gators went extinct. Nothing but problems. Gross.

I agree. They are a nusiance. How much tax payer dollars are spent protecting them? I wonder how long it would take to kill 'em all or at least reduce the population by half.

Not long if they were allowed to be caught and Louboutin made a killer pair of shoes that people wanted.

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If gators went extinct you would be dealing with an overflow of about 200 more pests whose natural predator that keeps their population in check is now gone.

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Anonymous wrote:If gators went extinct you would be dealing with an overflow of about 200 more pests whose natural predator that keeps their population in check is now gone.

But gators themselves have no natural predator - so their own population is out of control. That's the issue. They should be culled way way down at least.

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Anonymous wrote:Do any of the Disney vacation travel books (brand or not) mention snakes or alligators? Do Florida travel guides? Just curious if one was researching Disney or travel to Orlando if mention of alligators or snakes be in any travel guides.

Snakes come up pretty often on Intercot and the Dis boards. Last year a kid ended up hospitalized because he was playing with a venomous snake at his Disney resort and it bit him.

Alligators don't really come up too often. There's never been an attack and Disney has been very reassuring to guests that they remove alligators when they find them.

But they don't remove them. And there was an attack in the 80s. Reports coming out now of recent alligator sightings on property and Disney didn't do anything.

I feel like people have tried to make this point but it has been more implied than explicitly stated.

If Disney was able to wave a magic wand today that eliminated every alligator from their property there would still be alligators there tomorrow. Disney is actually incapable of micromanaging nature, despite their ability to micromanage virtually everything else.

But it's a man-made lagoon and beach. So they created it, thereby inviting the danger. They can't argue, "hey, we can't control nature" when they created the habitat for the gator to live in.

In Florida you cannot control where the gators go - man made or natural lake... They are notoriously territorial and will invade manmade spaces. It would be like trying to remove all of our squirrels from forests or new home builds... Aint gonna happen.

And that's why it's a bad idea to build an artificial lake next to a tourist resort and then invite tourist to play on the beach at dusk.

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From AP on the radio: Beaches are now reopened with signage and temporary barriers. They are pretty sure they caught the actual alligator who attacked the boy. And Disney has removed 240 nuisance alligators from their property over the last ten years.

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Anonymous wrote:If gators went extinct you would be dealing with an overflow of about 200 more pests whose natural predator that keeps their population in check is now gone.

But gators themselves have no natural predator - so their own population is out of control. That's the issue. They should be culled way way down at least.

What are humans?

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Anonymous wrote:Do any of the Disney vacation travel books (brand or not) mention snakes or alligators? Do Florida travel guides? Just curious if one was researching Disney or travel to Orlando if mention of alligators or snakes be in any travel guides.

Snakes come up pretty often on Intercot and the Dis boards. Last year a kid ended up hospitalized because he was playing with a venomous snake at his Disney resort and it bit him.

Alligators don't really come up too often. There's never been an attack and Disney has been very reassuring to guests that they remove alligators when they find them.

But they don't remove them. And there was an attack in the 80s. Reports coming out now of recent alligator sightings on property and Disney didn't do anything.

I feel like people have tried to make this point but it has been more implied than explicitly stated.

If Disney was able to wave a magic wand today that eliminated every alligator from their property there would still be alligators there tomorrow. Disney is actually incapable of micromanaging nature, despite their ability to micromanage virtually everything else.

But it's a man-made lagoon and beach. So they created it, thereby inviting the danger. They can't argue, "hey, we can't control nature" when they created the habitat for the gator to live in.

In Florida you cannot control where the gators go - man made or natural lake... They are notoriously territorial and will invade manmade spaces. It would be like trying to remove all of our squirrels from forests or new home builds... Aint gonna happen.

And that's why it's a bad idea to build an artificial lake next to a tourist resort and then invite tourist to play on the beach at dusk.

This has been beaten to death on all pages of this thread but death by alligator is not common or usual. Yes, there should have been signs but you are more likely to be attacked by a shark or struck by lightening or in a car accident. People don't seem to get how rare alligator attacks are.

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Anonymous wrote:If gators went extinct you would be dealing with an overflow of about 200 more pests whose natural predator that keeps their population in check is now gone.

But gators themselves have no natural predator - so their own population is out of control. That's the issue. They should be culled way way down at least.

What are humans?

Law abiding humans are prohibited from hunting alligators under the ESA (except during a very limited state "harvesting" program).

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Anonymous wrote:Do any of the Disney vacation travel books (brand or not) mention snakes or alligators? Do Florida travel guides? Just curious if one was researching Disney or travel to Orlando if mention of alligators or snakes be in any travel guides.

Snakes come up pretty often on Intercot and the Dis boards. Last year a kid ended up hospitalized because he was playing with a venomous snake at his Disney resort and it bit him.

Alligators don't really come up too often. There's never been an attack and Disney has been very reassuring to guests that they remove alligators when they find them.

But they don't remove them. And there was an attack in the 80s. Reports coming out now of recent alligator sightings on property and Disney didn't do anything.

I feel like people have tried to make this point but it has been more implied than explicitly stated.

If Disney was able to wave a magic wand today that eliminated every alligator from their property there would still be alligators there tomorrow. Disney is actually incapable of micromanaging nature, despite their ability to micromanage virtually everything else.

But it's a man-made lagoon and beach. So they created it, thereby inviting the danger. They can't argue, "hey, we can't control nature" when they created the habitat for the gator to live in.

In Florida you cannot control where the gators go - man made or natural lake... They are notoriously territorial and will invade manmade spaces. It would be like trying to remove all of our squirrels from forests or new home builds... Aint gonna happen.

And that's why it's a bad idea to build an artificial lake next to a tourist resort and then invite tourist to play on the beach at dusk.

dude, stop being obtuse. Disney, or any Florida developers, don't build "artificial lakes" in the way you imagine. The water there is everywhere, the land is low. In order to develop 1,000 acres of low swampy land, you need to raise 800 acres of land and leave 200 acres for a lake. The alligators were on that exact same spot 75 years ago, and they will be there 75 years from now.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do any of the Disney vacation travel books (brand or not) mention snakes or alligators? Do Florida travel guides? Just curious if one was researching Disney or travel to Orlando if mention of alligators or snakes be in any travel guides.

Snakes come up pretty often on Intercot and the Dis boards. Last year a kid ended up hospitalized because he was playing with a venomous snake at his Disney resort and it bit him.

Alligators don't really come up too often. There's never been an attack and Disney has been very reassuring to guests that they remove alligators when they find them.

But they don't remove them. And there was an attack in the 80s. Reports coming out now of recent alligator sightings on property and Disney didn't do anything.

I feel like people have tried to make this point but it has been more implied than explicitly stated.

If Disney was able to wave a magic wand today that eliminated every alligator from their property there would still be alligators there tomorrow. Disney is actually incapable of micromanaging nature, despite their ability to micromanage virtually everything else.

But it's a man-made lagoon and beach. So they created it, thereby inviting the danger. They can't argue, "hey, we can't control nature" when they created the habitat for the gator to live in.

In Florida you cannot control where the gators go - man made or natural lake... They are notoriously territorial and will invade manmade spaces. It would be like trying to remove all of our squirrels from forests or new home builds... Aint gonna happen.

And that's why it's a bad idea to build an artificial lake next to a tourist resort and then invite tourist to play on the beach at dusk.

dude, stop being obtuse. Disney, or any Florida developers, don't build "artificial lakes" in the way you imagine. The water there is everywhere, the land is low. In order to develop 1,000 acres of low swampy land, you need to raise 800 acres of land and leave 200 acres for a lake. The alligators were on that exact same spot 75 years ago, and they will be there 75 years from now.

That explains why you have to have a lake for drainage, but it doesn't explain why you have to build resorts and recreation areas on the lake. Disney could have put the alligator-filled drainage system on a far end of the property.

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Anonymous wrote:If gators went extinct you would be dealing with an overflow of about 200 more pests whose natural predator that keeps their population in check is now gone.

But gators themselves have no natural predator - so their own population is out of control. That's the issue. They should be culled way way down at least.

What are humans?

Law abiding humans are prohibited from hunting alligators under the ESA (except during a very limited state "harvesting" program).

Disney has a permit from the State of Florida to kill nuisance alligators on its property at any time.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-alligator-disney-idUSKCN0Z91IY

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If gators went extinct you would be dealing with an overflow of about 200 more pests whose natural predator that keeps their population in check is now gone.

But gators themselves have no natural predator - so their own population is out of control. That's the issue. They should be culled way way down at least.

Humans are the ones destroying the planet. Not the alligators

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Anonymous wrote:Do any of the Disney vacation travel books (brand or not) mention snakes or alligators? Do Florida travel guides? Just curious if one was researching Disney or travel to Orlando if mention of alligators or snakes be in any travel guides.

Snakes come up pretty often on Intercot and the Dis boards. Last year a kid ended up hospitalized because he was playing with a venomous snake at his Disney resort and it bit him.

Alligators don't really come up too often. There's never been an attack and Disney has been very reassuring to guests that they remove alligators when they find them.

But they don't remove them. And there was an attack in the 80s. Reports coming out now of recent alligator sightings on property and Disney didn't do anything.

I feel like people have tried to make this point but it has been more implied than explicitly stated.

If Disney was able to wave a magic wand today that eliminated every alligator from their property there would still be alligators there tomorrow. Disney is actually incapable of micromanaging nature, despite their ability to micromanage virtually everything else.

But it's a man-made lagoon and beach. So they created it, thereby inviting the danger. They can't argue, "hey, we can't control nature" when they created the habitat for the gator to live in.

In Florida you cannot control where the gators go - man made or natural lake... They are notoriously territorial and will invade manmade spaces. It would be like trying to remove all of our squirrels from forests or new home builds... Aint gonna happen.

And that's why it's a bad idea to build an artificial lake next to a tourist resort and then invite tourist to play on the beach at dusk.

dude, stop being obtuse. Disney, or any Florida developers, don't build "artificial lakes" in the way you imagine. The water there is everywhere, the land is low. In order to develop 1,000 acres of low swampy land, you need to raise 800 acres of land and leave 200 acres for a lake. The alligators were on that exact same spot 75 years ago, and they will be there 75 years from now.

LOL the "stop being obtuse" poster... This time I agree with you 100%.

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I can't believe you people are still yammering on 139 pages later, JFC.