New Additions to Leagues Check Up (ECNL & GA)

[Anonymous]

Wonder how those other NC teams feel now that MLS Next got CISC. The cycle will just continue. Big clubs move to a league, smaller clubs go and start their own thing, fight for survival, it becomes interesting, and then big clubs move to league. Rinse and repeat.

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Anonymous wrote:Competitive in the oldest two age groups, but those boys will be aged out soon. Those teams have been more established and not been poached by the shiny new toy that was Fox.🦊 take a look at their 2 youngest age groups, to 2011s and 2012s. The future of the program and a key look at what it will be a few years down the road. Bottom of the table, basically. Those poor boys would lose 95% of their games in MLS Next.

In the 2 youngest age groups I would agree. The Academy teams 2010 and older will be fine, particularly if they bioband a few of the Q3/4 players on existing Academy and ECNL teams.

Am hoping going from 4 teams (2 RL, 2 NL) to 3 will help with the loss of players to Fox SA, as most RL teams are as non-competitive as the ECNL teams 09 and younger.

For CISC, I see this more of a strategic move against Fox (who they were losing players to) vs a repudiation of ECNL. Fox got MLSN2 on boys side and is DPL on girls side - and no secret they want to be MLSN/GA eventually. If CISC gets MLSN plus 2 MLSN2 teams, they will pull top players back from Fox who want to play MLS Next, and at MLSN2 level, it will be all about what clubs facilities are more convenient for most families.

On girls side, CISC in GA will preclude Fox from ever getting it. North Charlotte area isn't anywhere as populated as DMV and two GA teams there would just make them both watered down and terrible.

Has CISC really been awarded MLSN? I doubt that and think at best they get Next 2. I had heard they only left ECNL because some teams were being dropped and they took this approach to get at ECNL. Will be interesting to see where it all goes.

And honestly, most players at Fox aren't leaving. Completely different environment and I don't see many going back. Maybe they chase the label if CISC gets Next, but Fox has already shown the ability to get them in front of a lot of college coaches and I don't see many leaving.

Yes, one of their Academy players confirmed it with his coach yesterday at their College ID session. Have not heard anyone official confirm the 2 x MLS2 spots, but that's what is rumored. Probably a North and South team.

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Anonymous wrote:Competitive in the oldest two age groups, but those boys will be aged out soon. Those teams have been more established and not been poached by the shiny new toy that was Fox.🦊 take a look at their 2 youngest age groups, to 2011s and 2012s. The future of the program and a key look at what it will be a few years down the road. Bottom of the table, basically. Those poor boys would lose 95% of their games in MLS Next.

In the 2 youngest age groups I would agree. The Academy teams 2010 and older will be fine, particularly if they bioband a few of the Q3/4 players on existing Academy and ECNL teams.

Am hoping going from 4 teams (2 RL, 2 NL) to 3 will help with the loss of players to Fox SA, as most RL teams are as non-competitive as the ECNL teams 09 and younger.

For CISC, I see this more of a strategic move against Fox (who they were losing players to) vs a repudiation of ECNL. Fox got MLSN2 on boys side and is DPL on girls side - and no secret they want to be MLSN/GA eventually. If CISC gets MLSN plus 2 MLSN2 teams, they will pull top players back from Fox who want to play MLS Next, and at MLSN2 level, it will be all about what clubs facilities are more convenient for most families.

On girls side, CISC in GA will preclude Fox from ever getting it. North Charlotte area isn't anywhere as populated as DMV and two GA teams there would just make them both watered down and terrible.

Has CISC really been awarded MLSN? I doubt that and think at best they get Next 2. I had heard they only left ECNL because some teams were being dropped and they took this approach to get at ECNL. Will be interesting to see where it all goes.

And honestly, most players at Fox aren't leaving. Completely different environment and I don't see many going back. Maybe they chase the label if CISC gets Next, but Fox has already shown the ability to get them in front of a lot of college coaches and I don't see many leaving.

Yes, one of their Academy players confirmed it with his coach yesterday at their College ID session. Have not heard anyone official confirm the 2 x MLS2 spots, but that's what is rumored. Probably a North and South team.

Wonder how they pulled that off when Fox has Fuchs and his connections and only got Next 2. Guess will see official announcement. I know there are parent meetings this week. Crazy how all spins in circles. All league chasers will have fun with this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Competitive in the oldest two age groups, but those boys will be aged out soon. Those teams have been more established and not been poached by the shiny new toy that was Fox.🦊 take a look at their 2 youngest age groups, to 2011s and 2012s. The future of the program and a key look at what it will be a few years down the road. Bottom of the table, basically. Those poor boys would lose 95% of their games in MLS Next.

In the 2 youngest age groups I would agree. The Academy teams 2010 and older will be fine, particularly if they bioband a few of the Q3/4 players on existing Academy and ECNL teams.

Am hoping going from 4 teams (2 RL, 2 NL) to 3 will help with the loss of players to Fox SA, as most RL teams are as non-competitive as the ECNL teams 09 and younger.

For CISC, I see this more of a strategic move against Fox (who they were losing players to) vs a repudiation of ECNL. Fox got MLSN2 on boys side and is DPL on girls side - and no secret they want to be MLSN/GA eventually. If CISC gets MLSN plus 2 MLSN2 teams, they will pull top players back from Fox who want to play MLS Next, and at MLSN2 level, it will be all about what clubs facilities are more convenient for most families.

On girls side, CISC in GA will preclude Fox from ever getting it. North Charlotte area isn't anywhere as populated as DMV and two GA teams there would just make them both watered down and terrible.

Has CISC really been awarded MLSN? I doubt that and think at best they get Next 2. I had heard they only left ECNL because some teams were being dropped and they took this approach to get at ECNL. Will be interesting to see where it all goes.

And honestly, most players at Fox aren't leaving. Completely different environment and I don't see many going back. Maybe they chase the label if CISC gets Next, but Fox has already shown the ability to get them in front of a lot of college coaches and I don't see many leaving.

Yes, one of their Academy players confirmed it with his coach yesterday at their College ID session. Have not heard anyone official confirm the 2 x MLS2 spots, but that's what is rumored. Probably a North and South team.

Wonder how they pulled that off when Fox has Fuchs and his connections and only got Next 2. Guess will see official announcement. I know there are parent meetings this week. Crazy how all spins in circles. All league chasers will have fun with this.

No idea, but I suspect having their girls ECNL teams move to GA sweetened the deal for the boys teams. The new tier 2 Carolinas division could use a couple more teams too.

Would love to be a fly on the wall at the senior girls meeting tonight to hear how they explain dropping this on the NL/RL teams post-tryouts. Gonna get spicy!

[Anonymous]

It's a good move for CISC, some chairs are going to shuffle and fast though. The national team that they lose will be split up and some of those kids will run off (or were already trying out for Fox) and some will take spots on the N/S teams.

New kids will come in, possibly from CSA because now CISC, despite being generally weaker, has the MLSN tag. CSA is in a bind because their girls teams are strong as well, which might have kept them on the sideline of these moves.

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Wonder how they pulled that off when Fox has Fuchs and his connections and only got Next 2. Guess will see official announcement. I know there are parent meetings this week. Crazy how all spins in circles. All league chasers will have fun with this.

Fuchs opened Fox in NC because he didn't like any of the options for his son. In two years when his son moves to the Charlotte FC Academy, the real question becomes how money will he continue to pour into Fox or does it start to wither.

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Wonder how they pulled that off when Fox has Fuchs and his connections and only got Next 2. Guess will see official announcement. I know there are parent meetings this week. Crazy how all spins in circles. All league chasers will have fun with this.

Fuchs opened Fox in NC because he didn't like any of the options for his son. In two years when his son moves to the Charlotte FC Academy, the real question becomes how money will he continue to pour into Fox or does it start to wither.

He could have easily had his son at the NY location and been fine. He hasn't let that one go even though he's here and I doubt he does with this one. It's been set up really well and the training is excellent. Year 1 and 2 they've beat some strong ECNL and Next programs. And the girls side has competed well in GA showcases. It has a solid foundation. Some things they do aren't ideal, but overall it's set up well. Talking to keeper parents, they get 2 to 3 days a week keeper specific training. Players movement is fluid. Only time will tell, but it has a strong foothold in the area and I don't see it going anywhere.

If CISC really does get three teams I'm interested to see what that does to the entire landscape in the area. Mutiny in particular hasn't had much competition for players as they get who they want, and now they have multiple teams to compete for players. CISC getting Next and then Fox likely will get it another year down the line, now multiple teams in the league so the selling points for Mutiny change big.

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Anonymous wrote:Competitive in the oldest two age groups, but those boys will be aged out soon. Those teams have been more established and not been poached by the shiny new toy that was Fox.🦊 take a look at their 2 youngest age groups, to 2011s and 2012s. The future of the program and a key look at what it will be a few years down the road. Bottom of the table, basically. Those poor boys would lose 95% of their games in MLS Next.

In the 2 youngest age groups I would agree. The Academy teams 2010 and older will be fine, particularly if they bioband a few of the Q3/4 players on existing Academy and ECNL teams.

Am hoping going from 4 teams (2 RL, 2 NL) to 3 will help with the loss of players to Fox SA, as most RL teams are as non-competitive as the ECNL teams 09 and younger.

For CISC, I see this more of a strategic move against Fox (who they were losing players to) vs a repudiation of ECNL. Fox got MLSN2 on boys side and is DPL on girls side - and no secret they want to be MLSN/GA eventually. If CISC gets MLSN plus 2 MLSN2 teams, they will pull top players back from Fox who want to play MLS Next, and at MLSN2 level, it will be all about what clubs facilities are more convenient for most families.

On girls side, CISC in GA will preclude Fox from ever getting it. North Charlotte area isn't anywhere as populated as DMV and two GA teams there would just make them both watered down and terrible.

Has CISC really been awarded MLSN? I doubt that and think at best they get Next 2. I had heard they only left ECNL because some teams were being dropped and they took this approach to get at ECNL. Will be interesting to see where it all goes.

And honestly, most players at Fox aren't leaving. Completely different environment and I don't see many going back. Maybe they chase the label if CISC gets Next, but Fox has already shown the ability to get them in front of a lot of college coaches and I don't see many leaving.

Yes, one of their Academy players confirmed it with his coach yesterday at their College ID session. Have not heard anyone official confirm the 2 x MLS2 spots, but that's what is rumored. Probably a North and South team.

Wonder how they pulled that off when Fox has Fuchs and his connections and only got Next 2. Guess will see official announcement. I know there are parent meetings this week. Crazy how all spins in circles. All league chasers will have fun with this.

No idea, but I suspect having their girls ECNL teams move to GA sweetened the deal for the boys teams. The new tier 2 Carolinas division could use a couple more teams too.

Would love to be a fly on the wall at the senior girls meeting tonight to hear how they explain dropping this on the NL/RL teams post-tryouts. Gonna get spicy!

Ummmm…if they were D1 players in ECNL guess what….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's a good move for CISC, some chairs are going to shuffle and fast though. The national team that they lose will be split up and some of those kids will run off (or were already trying out for Fox) and some will take spots on the N/S teams.

New kids will come in, possibly from CSA because now CISC, despite being generally weaker, has the MLSN tag. CSA is in a bind because their girls teams are strong as well, which might have kept them on the sideline of these moves.

This is what most girls dads don’t understand. Boys programs are bigger than girls programs and most clubs. Big enough to sink a club. CSA will now lose a good chunk of boys to a growing CISC… another club that is thinking ahead.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Competitive in the oldest two age groups, but those boys will be aged out soon. Those teams have been more established and not been poached by the shiny new toy that was Fox.🦊 take a look at their 2 youngest age groups, to 2011s and 2012s. The future of the program and a key look at what it will be a few years down the road. Bottom of the table, basically. Those poor boys would lose 95% of their games in MLS Next.

In the 2 youngest age groups I would agree. The Academy teams 2010 and older will be fine, particularly if they bioband a few of the Q3/4 players on existing Academy and ECNL teams.

Am hoping going from 4 teams (2 RL, 2 NL) to 3 will help with the loss of players to Fox SA, as most RL teams are as non-competitive as the ECNL teams 09 and younger.

For CISC, I see this more of a strategic move against Fox (who they were losing players to) vs a repudiation of ECNL. Fox got MLSN2 on boys side and is DPL on girls side - and no secret they want to be MLSN/GA eventually. If CISC gets MLSN plus 2 MLSN2 teams, they will pull top players back from Fox who want to play MLS Next, and at MLSN2 level, it will be all about what clubs facilities are more convenient for most families.

On girls side, CISC in GA will preclude Fox from ever getting it. North Charlotte area isn't anywhere as populated as DMV and two GA teams there would just make them both watered down and terrible.

Has CISC really been awarded MLSN? I doubt that and think at best they get Next 2. I had heard they only left ECNL because some teams were being dropped and they took this approach to get at ECNL. Will be interesting to see where it all goes.

And honestly, most players at Fox aren't leaving. Completely different environment and I don't see many going back. Maybe they chase the label if CISC gets Next, but Fox has already shown the ability to get them in front of a lot of college coaches and I don't see many leaving.

Yes, one of their Academy players confirmed it with his coach yesterday at their College ID session. Have not heard anyone official confirm the 2 x MLS2 spots, but that's what is rumored. Probably a North and South team.

Wonder how they pulled that off when Fox has Fuchs and his connections and only got Next 2. Guess will see official announcement. I know there are parent meetings this week. Crazy how all spins in circles. All league chasers will have fun with this.

No idea, but I suspect having their girls ECNL teams move to GA sweetened the deal for the boys teams. The new tier 2 Carolinas division could use a couple more teams too.

Would love to be a fly on the wall at the senior girls meeting tonight to hear how they explain dropping this on the NL/RL teams post-tryouts. Gonna get spicy!

Ummmm…if they were D1 players in ECNL guess what….

Okay, I'll bite: they'll also be D1 players in GA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a good move for CISC, some chairs are going to shuffle and fast though. The national team that they lose will be split up and some of those kids will run off (or were already trying out for Fox) and some will take spots on the N/S teams.

New kids will come in, possibly from CSA because now CISC, despite being generally weaker, has the MLSN tag. CSA is in a bind because their girls teams are strong as well, which might have kept them on the sideline of these moves.

This is what most girls dads don’t understand. Boys programs are bigger than girls programs and most clubs. Big enough to sink a club. CSA will now lose a good chunk of boys to a growing CISC… another club that is thinking ahead.

CISC thinking ahead is going to sink CSA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a good move for CISC, some chairs are going to shuffle and fast though. The national team that they lose will be split up and some of those kids will run off (or were already trying out for Fox) and some will take spots on the N/S teams.

New kids will come in, possibly from CSA because now CISC, despite being generally weaker, has the MLSN tag. CSA is in a bind because their girls teams are strong as well, which might have kept them on the sideline of these moves.

This is what most girls dads don’t understand. Boys programs are bigger than girls programs and most clubs. Big enough to sink a club. CSA will now lose a good chunk of boys to a growing CISC… another club that is thinking ahead.

CISC thinking ahead is going to sink CSA?

Let’s just say, CSA will be wondering what the hell happened to their boys program. Unless they go MLSn in the next year or ao

[Anonymous]

ECNLs problem was always going to be that they gave a dozen or so clubs too much power. Now the mid tier teams are gaining leverage.

What clubs did ECNL promote from RL today?

[Anonymous]

Wenatchee FC Youth to ECRL.
Club from Washington state……..another dud.

[Anonymous]

BOOM