Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:Re first paragraph above, I mean what folks here would say if Baldoni were a woman.

Ignore this poster. She just repeatedly tries to get the thread shut down.

And yet lives in this thread, it is so weird.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Re first paragraph above, I mean what folks here would say if Baldoni were a woman.

Ignore this poster. She just repeatedly tries to get the thread shut down.

I’m dying that he/she took the time to correct herself as if we are reading her posts and care.

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I don’t think a real feminist would actually hire the e same PR firm that destroyed Amber Heard. There are so very many available PR firms. Why would he specifically want the same one unless it was to basically accomplish the same destruction of a woman. I have some trouble lining that up with my idea of what a feminist is. I guess I’ll just have to work harder on reconciling that.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think a real feminist would actually hire the e same PR firm that destroyed Amber Heard. There are so very many available PR firms. Why would he specifically want the same one unless it was to basically accomplish the same destruction of a woman. I have some trouble lining that up with my idea of what a feminist is. I guess I’ll just have to work harder on reconciling that.

+1, specifically as to him agreeing to hiring Melissa Nathan for his crisis team. The texts from both Baldoni's timeline and the Jones lawsuit against Nathan and Abel show that Jones specifically advised against hiring Nathan because Jones considered her to be "shady" and lacking in integrity. She is well known fro having worked for Depp AND for Donald Trump during Russiagate. It is crazy to me that an avowed feminist would hire her even after being told that she engages in dodgy behavior and has worked for these people. Either he didn't know at all or he hired Nathan specifically because he wanted her to do what she did in those instances. The middle ground -- that Baldoni/Wayfarer were aware of Nathan's history but hired her anyway and believed that she would behave differently for them -- makes no sense.

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He needed to do what he needed to do to save himself from false allegations of sexual harassment and I am woman and have zero problem with it. Stop with the faux feminist outrage.

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Pretty sure that you’re the only person in here who is “outraged” — I guess that anyone might possibly disagree with you about what a great feminist and good guy Baldoni is. This is a thread to discuss that, not just for a bunch of people to talk about how overweight Lively was.

There are so very many different PR firms. Absolutely no need to hire the very same one that had destroyed Heard. My guess is he knew precisely what he was doing.

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Anonymous wrote:He needed to do what he needed to do to save himself from false allegations of sexual harassment and I am woman and have zero problem with it. Stop with the faux feminist outrage.

It's not faux outrage, or really even outrage at all.

I don't get why he'd hire Nathan, if he was innocent. She makes him look guilty, IMO, because of her other work. I know a lot of PR people play "both sides" and are unsavory, but most Hollywood PR folks draw the line at representing Trump during impeachment proceedings. And the stuff she did during the Depp/Heard trial was horrifying. I am genuinely confused why he would hire her and the only options I can think of are that he truly did not know, or he knew and didn't care. There were other crisis teams in the running and he chose Nathan/TAG over them. I don't get why.

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure that you’re the only person in here who is “outraged” — I guess that anyone might possibly disagree with you about what a great feminist and good guy Baldoni is. This is a thread to discuss that, not just for a bunch of people to talk about how overweight Lively was.

There are so very many different PR firms. Absolutely no need to hire the very same one that had destroyed Heard. My guess is he knew precisely what he was doing.

I have no idea about Justin’s feminism and whether or not he is a good guy. Blake and Ryan tried to destroy him and Jamey heath. If I were in their shoes I would try and destroy them right back. When you make false accusations like this the gloves are off.

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure that you’re the only person in here who is “outraged” — I guess that anyone might possibly disagree with you about what a great feminist and good guy Baldoni is. This is a thread to discuss that, not just for a bunch of people to talk about how overweight Lively was.

There are so very many different PR firms. Absolutely no need to hire the very same one that had destroyed Heard. My guess is he knew precisely what he was doing.

DP here and yes, this is just what I was thinking. You can even see in his timeline that Stephanie Jones was actively trying to dissuade them from hiring Nathan because she's "shady" and that they vetted multiple other teams.

No one is saying he shouldn't have hired PR. It's super weird he hired that PR team who is best known for what they did to Amber Heard, when they absolutely had other options who would have done a good job lifting him up and changing the narrative on him. Melissa Nathan is far from the only effective crisis manager in the game. But she is one of the ones with the biggest rep for being unscrupulous!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure that you’re the only person in here who is “outraged” — I guess that anyone might possibly disagree with you about what a great feminist and good guy Baldoni is. This is a thread to discuss that, not just for a bunch of people to talk about how overweight Lively was.

There are so very many different PR firms. Absolutely no need to hire the very same one that had destroyed Heard. My guess is he knew precisely what he was doing.

I have no idea about Justin’s feminism and whether or not he is a good guy. Blake and Ryan tried to destroy him and Jamey heath. If I were in their shoes I would try and destroy them right back. When you make false accusations like this the gloves are off.

Ok but he signed a document saying he wouldn't retaliate against Lively. If he hired PR specifically to "destroy" Lively he will lose his lawsuit, even if you think he had a right to do that. He said he wouldn't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure that you’re the only person in here who is “outraged” — I guess that anyone might possibly disagree with you about what a great feminist and good guy Baldoni is. This is a thread to discuss that, not just for a bunch of people to talk about how overweight Lively was.

There are so very many different PR firms. Absolutely no need to hire the very same one that had destroyed Heard. My guess is he knew precisely what he was doing.

I have no idea about Justin’s feminism and whether or not he is a good guy. Blake and Ryan tried to destroy him and Jamey heath. If I were in their shoes I would try and destroy them right back. When you make false accusations like this the gloves are off.

Ok but he signed a document saying he wouldn't retaliate against Lively. If he hired PR specifically to "destroy" Lively he will lose his lawsuit, even if you think he had a right to do that. He said he wouldn't.

So you think she should use her dragons and destroy him and he should just do nothing? I don’t think he signed a paper promising that lol.

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I wonder whether when all of this is over whether Baldoni will go back to a public facing feminist role, or whether he will naturally make a hard right turn that sometimes happens when the feminism was fake to begin with. Kind of like Milo Yannapolis, Jordan Peterson, Russell Brand and their ilk — initially gained attention for being male feminists and then sh!t got real.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder whether when all of this is over whether Baldoni will go back to a public facing feminist role, or whether he will naturally make a hard right turn that sometimes happens when the feminism was fake to begin with. Kind of like Milo Yannapolis, Jordan Peterson, Russell Brand and their ilk — initially gained attention for being male feminists and then sh!t got real.

Maybe this has changed his view on feminism. He’s gotten totally screwed over with false allegations.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are crying over a back injury and then have to lift someone up and have MEDICAL restrictions it is completely appropriate to ask for someone’s weight.

But asking her trainer behind her back was very much the wrong way to go about it. Like just think.

He should have worked with a stunt coordinator who could have figured out if it was safe for him to lift her without that kind invasion of privacy, or just reworked the scene so he didn't lift her. He was the director, not just an actor on the movie, so the solutions available to him were actually pretty extensive.

To be clear, I don't think asking her trainer about her weight was harassment. I just think it was an incredibly stupid way to handle that situation.

It was the perfect way, because he did not want to upset Blake by asking her directly. But go off on one of your four paragraph diatribes, please.

No and I say this trying to be helpful: if you are ever in a situation where you have to lift a woman (or anyone actually) for work and you are unsure if you can do so safely, the answer is never "I will go and ask this person's trainer/physician/dietician/assistant what they weigh." It's not a smart way to handle that, it comes off as very invasive. A lot of people are self-conscious about their weight and would be very uncomfortable having it discussed in that way.

I'm a woman and would have no issue with this whatsoever. He's clearly trying to not upset her by talking about her weight with her directly.

Well I'm a former employment lawyer and I would advise against it because it is precisely it's precisely the kind of thing that upsets people and exposes you to litigation. My advice to any employer or professional would be that if there is a touchy topic like this, you should (1) see if you can solve the problem without obtaining the personal information at all, or if that is not possible (2) go through a system where it is not you, personally, asking the question, but it's going through some kind de-personalized process that you can stay at arms length from. Like in this case I would have suggested hiring a stunt coordinator to choreograph the lift and work separately with both actors, and the stunt coordinator could have had Lively directly disclose her weight in a confidential way and then the coordinator can make an assessment about the safety of the lift (or change it to make it safer) based on that info, without ever disclosing the sensitive info.

Asking behind her back was a dumb move and he should have recognized that. I have seen managers do similar things regarding personal info like an employees physical or mental health condition, family status, etc., and it can go south very quickly.

Oh please. This is part of her job. the same as having to know her dress size for costuming.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder whether when all of this is over whether Baldoni will go back to a public facing feminist role, or whether he will naturally make a hard right turn that sometimes happens when the feminism was fake to begin with. Kind of like Milo Yannapolis, Jordan Peterson, Russell Brand and their ilk — initially gained attention for being male feminists and then sh!t got real.

Maybe this has changed his view on feminism. He’s gotten totally screwed over with false allegations.

Alternatively, maybe Big Man got called on some of his sexist bullish!t and harassment such as insisting on sex scenes and nudity from a costar who hadn’t signed up for that, and maybe mentally he just couldn’t cope with that when he had built his entire public image on being a male feminist who supported women. Seems like that story was coming crashing down. So I wonder whether he will try to rebuild it if he sincerely believes that way, or if he will go the other way if it was never really heartfelt but kinda just a prop from the start to get attention.