Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why he asked about the weight. If you have a back injury, a few pounds either way isn't going to change lifting someone up. He knew she was post partum and they could estimate her weight from looking at her.

I think he asked more due to his body dysmorphia and issues and wanting to know her exact weight.


Agree with this. He definitely wasn't trying to "fat shame" her. However, I think this is a good example of where he is tone deaf and handles things poorly, and hit backfires HUGELY because Lively is highly reactive.

Asking the trainer what Lively's weight was... that was just stupid. Like unacceptably stupid. Again, I don't think he was trying to harass her or shame her or anything. I just think he was being an idiot and not getting what a radioactive violation of her privacy that would be especially with her just coming back from having a baby and clearly being in a sensitive place regarding her weight.

The stuff about him recommending a "weight loss specialist" is silly and I don't agree with her at all that that's what he was doing. But I also thin it all links back to him doing this dumb thing and asking her trainer for her weight.

He and Heath both do stuff like this throughout the production -- just idiotic transgressions that I truly don't believe were intentionally harassing but even just taken in isolation, I'm like "what? who does that?" Telling a mother of four what is normal during childbirth? Walking in on a woman who is topless in a trailer (even if you think she might be "cool" with it, this is just a dumb thing to do and someone with more sense would be like "oh excuse me I'll wait outside")? Talking about porn and asking lots of questions about porn (yes, even in the context of the movie -- this is a hot button topic and especially when you are talking to someone you know offends easily)?

If there was a cause of action that was "accidental harassment via stupidity and lack of self-awareness," I think this two would be guilty of it.


Yes! His tone deafness towards real women’s actual needs and feelings is so weird given his active stance as a male feminist. I saw online where his wife told him he actually still needs to work quite a bit harder at it, which makes sense to me given the stuff he was doing in here.


This was something other people in the industry had said about him too. I think it must stem from anxiety. He tries really hard to come across like he is one person but that isn't who he actually is - but a front he puts on of who he thinks people will like. In the end it makes him very two faced.


Oh, so you know him? I thought he was so unsuccessful that he was beneath notice. But he’s famed for his hypocrisy? This is sourced? Hm, makes sense. Certainly you have a bunch of primary sources to link right?


DP but the texts he has released on his website have his fellow producers or the Sony people talking about how over anxious he is. If he were a woman we would have pages by now about how desperately he needed therapy and anxiety meds and maybe should have found another profession if he wasn’t temperamentally suited to Hollywood.


Why are you speculating as to how anyone other than you would regard him were he female? Try to be less manipulative and for yourself and attempt if you have any capacity to discuss verifiable acts and communications.


Wut? This whole thread is speculation about why Blake did this or why so and so wrote that or whatever. My speculation about how someone with Justin’s issues and temperament would be treated here if he were a woman is ABSOLUTELY on topic. Try to deal.


Wut huh wuuuhh? Maybe you can ABSOLUTELY go back to screaming “MISOGYNY ALERT!!!!!!!” to the posters who are discussing the timelines and complaints rather than projecting and trying with your touching desperation to avoid concluding that she’s a liar based on the materials publicly available.

Your own inability to deal is visible from space. Try a suppository.


lol, yeah, the last ten pages have definitely been filled with a lot of Very Important legal discussions. Wait let me sign on to Westlaw and see if I can find some of these quotes about how overweight Lively is, hang on a minute.
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Anonymous wrote:If you are crying over a back injury and then have to lift someone up and have MEDICAL restrictions it is completely appropriate to ask for someone’s weight.


But asking her trainer behind her back was very much the wrong way to go about it. Like just think.

He should have worked with a stunt coordinator who could have figured out if it was safe for him to lift her without that kind invasion of privacy, or just reworked the scene so he didn't lift her. He was the director, not just an actor on the movie, so the solutions available to him were actually pretty extensive.

To be clear, I don't think asking her trainer about her weight was harassment. I just think it was an incredibly stupid way to handle that situation.


It was the perfect way, because he did not want to upset Blake by asking her directly. But go off on one of your four paragraph diatribes, please.


No and I say this trying to be helpful: if you are ever in a situation where you have to lift a woman (or anyone actually) for work and you are unsure if you can do so safely, the answer is never "I will go and ask this person's trainer/physician/dietician/assistant what they weigh." It's not a smart way to handle that, it comes off as very invasive. A lot of people are self-conscious about their weight and would be very uncomfortable having it discussed in that way.


I'm a woman and would have no issue with this whatsoever. He's clearly trying to not upset her by talking about her weight with her directly.


Well I'm a former employment lawyer and I would advise against it because it is precisely it's precisely the kind of thing that upsets people and exposes you to litigation. My advice to any employer or professional would be that if there is a touchy topic like this, you should (1) see if you can solve the problem without obtaining the personal information at all, or if that is not possible (2) go through a system where it is not you, personally, asking the question, but it's going through some kind de-personalized process that you can stay at arms length from. Like in this case I would have suggested hiring a stunt coordinator to choreograph the lift and work separately with both actors, and the stunt coordinator could have had Lively directly disclose her weight in a confidential way and then the coordinator can make an assessment about the safety of the lift (or change it to make it safer) based on that info, without ever disclosing the sensitive info.

Asking behind her back was a dumb move and he should have recognized that. I have seen managers do similar things regarding personal info like an employees physical or mental health condition, family status, etc., and it can go south very quickly.


You are not an employment lawyer, but nice try.

These are actors though. They are playing characters in a film. Her weight and looks are relevant as she is supposed to become the character. We aren’t talking about an office job, BL and JB aren’t accountants.


There are many jobs where a person's weight is relevant (dancer, acrobat, wrestler, military, personal trainer, to name a few) but in none of them would going behind their back to ask their trainer what their weight is be the appropriate way to address it. You would just address it via a formal process for whatever whatever job requirement was impacted by their weight.

BL was miscast here, yes she was too heavy, too old, too matronly for this part. Both JB and BL seem very unprofessional for various reasons, but for BL to be offended by JB inquiring about her weight is extremely insecure especially for a supposed actor.


If she was miscast, is that her fault or the fault of the people who cast her (JB/Wayfarer)?


Why does it matter in this situation?
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Anonymous wrote:If you are crying over a back injury and then have to lift someone up and have MEDICAL restrictions it is completely appropriate to ask for someone’s weight.


But asking her trainer behind her back was very much the wrong way to go about it. Like just think.

He should have worked with a stunt coordinator who could have figured out if it was safe for him to lift her without that kind invasion of privacy, or just reworked the scene so he didn't lift her. He was the director, not just an actor on the movie, so the solutions available to him were actually pretty extensive.

To be clear, I don't think asking her trainer about her weight was harassment. I just think it was an incredibly stupid way to handle that situation.


It was the perfect way, because he did not want to upset Blake by asking her directly. But go off on one of your four paragraph diatribes, please.


No and I say this trying to be helpful: if you are ever in a situation where you have to lift a woman (or anyone actually) for work and you are unsure if you can do so safely, the answer is never "I will go and ask this person's trainer/physician/dietician/assistant what they weigh." It's not a smart way to handle that, it comes off as very invasive. A lot of people are self-conscious about their weight and would be very uncomfortable having it discussed in that way.


I'm a woman and would have no issue with this whatsoever. He's clearly trying to not upset her by talking about her weight with her directly.


Well I'm a former employment lawyer and I would advise against it because it is precisely it's precisely the kind of thing that upsets people and exposes you to litigation. My advice to any employer or professional would be that if there is a touchy topic like this, you should (1) see if you can solve the problem without obtaining the personal information at all, or if that is not possible (2) go through a system where it is not you, personally, asking the question, but it's going through some kind de-personalized process that you can stay at arms length from. Like in this case I would have suggested hiring a stunt coordinator to choreograph the lift and work separately with both actors, and the stunt coordinator could have had Lively directly disclose her weight in a confidential way and then the coordinator can make an assessment about the safety of the lift (or change it to make it safer) based on that info, without ever disclosing the sensitive info.

Asking behind her back was a dumb move and he should have recognized that. I have seen managers do similar things regarding personal info like an employees physical or mental health condition, family status, etc., and it can go south very quickly.


You are not an employment lawyer, but nice try.

These are actors though. They are playing characters in a film. Her weight and looks are relevant as she is supposed to become the character. We aren’t talking about an office job, BL and JB aren’t accountants.


There are many jobs where a person's weight is relevant (dancer, acrobat, wrestler, military, personal trainer, to name a few) but in none of them would going behind their back to ask their trainer what their weight is be the appropriate way to address it. You would just address it via a formal process for whatever whatever job requirement was impacted by their weight.

BL was miscast here, yes she was too heavy, too old, too matronly for this part. Both JB and BL seem very unprofessional for various reasons, but for BL to be offended by JB inquiring about her weight is extremely insecure especially for a supposed actor.


He’s still several years older. A late 30s man with a 21 yr old is hardly realistic.
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Anonymous wrote:If you are crying over a back injury and then have to lift someone up and have MEDICAL restrictions it is completely appropriate to ask for someone’s weight.


But asking her trainer behind her back was very much the wrong way to go about it. Like just think.

He should have worked with a stunt coordinator who could have figured out if it was safe for him to lift her without that kind invasion of privacy, or just reworked the scene so he didn't lift her. He was the director, not just an actor on the movie, so the solutions available to him were actually pretty extensive.

To be clear, I don't think asking her trainer about her weight was harassment. I just think it was an incredibly stupid way to handle that situation.


It was the perfect way, because he did not want to upset Blake by asking her directly. But go off on one of your four paragraph diatribes, please.


No and I say this trying to be helpful: if you are ever in a situation where you have to lift a woman (or anyone actually) for work and you are unsure if you can do so safely, the answer is never "I will go and ask this person's trainer/physician/dietician/assistant what they weigh." It's not a smart way to handle that, it comes off as very invasive. A lot of people are self-conscious about their weight and would be very uncomfortable having it discussed in that way.


I'm a woman and would have no issue with this whatsoever. He's clearly trying to not upset her by talking about her weight with her directly.


Well I'm a former employment lawyer and I would advise against it because it is precisely it's precisely the kind of thing that upsets people and exposes you to litigation. My advice to any employer or professional would be that if there is a touchy topic like this, you should (1) see if you can solve the problem without obtaining the personal information at all, or if that is not possible (2) go through a system where it is not you, personally, asking the question, but it's going through some kind de-personalized process that you can stay at arms length from. Like in this case I would have suggested hiring a stunt coordinator to choreograph the lift and work separately with both actors, and the stunt coordinator could have had Lively directly disclose her weight in a confidential way and then the coordinator can make an assessment about the safety of the lift (or change it to make it safer) based on that info, without ever disclosing the sensitive info.

Asking behind her back was a dumb move and he should have recognized that. I have seen managers do similar things regarding personal info like an employees physical or mental health condition, family status, etc., and it can go south very quickly.


You are not an employment lawyer, but nice try.

These are actors though. They are playing characters in a film. Her weight and looks are relevant as she is supposed to become the character. We aren’t talking about an office job, BL and JB aren’t accountants.


There are many jobs where a person's weight is relevant (dancer, acrobat, wrestler, military, personal trainer, to name a few) but in none of them would going behind their back to ask their trainer what their weight is be the appropriate way to address it. You would just address it via a formal process for whatever whatever job requirement was impacted by their weight.

BL was miscast here, yes she was too heavy, too old, too matronly for this part. Both JB and BL seem very unprofessional for various reasons, but for BL to be offended by JB inquiring about her weight is extremely insecure especially for a supposed actor.


He’s still several years older. A late 30s man with a 21 yr old is hardly realistic.

He looks older than his age and the entire premise of the film is unrealistic. No neurosurgeon would be with this florist woman, no offense to florists, it just wouldn’t happen irl.
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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why he asked about the weight. If you have a back injury, a few pounds either way isn't going to change lifting someone up. He knew she was post partum and they could estimate her weight from looking at her.

I think he asked more due to his body dysmorphia and issues and wanting to know her exact weight.


Agree with this. He definitely wasn't trying to "fat shame" her. However, I think this is a good example of where he is tone deaf and handles things poorly, and hit backfires HUGELY because Lively is highly reactive.

Asking the trainer what Lively's weight was... that was just stupid. Like unacceptably stupid. Again, I don't think he was trying to harass her or shame her or anything. I just think he was being an idiot and not getting what a radioactive violation of her privacy that would be especially with her just coming back from having a baby and clearly being in a sensitive place regarding her weight.

The stuff about him recommending a "weight loss specialist" is silly and I don't agree with her at all that that's what he was doing. But I also thin it all links back to him doing this dumb thing and asking her trainer for her weight.

He and Heath both do stuff like this throughout the production -- just idiotic transgressions that I truly don't believe were intentionally harassing but even just taken in isolation, I'm like "what? who does that?" Telling a mother of four what is normal during childbirth? Walking in on a woman who is topless in a trailer (even if you think she might be "cool" with it, this is just a dumb thing to do and someone with more sense would be like "oh excuse me I'll wait outside")? Talking about porn and asking lots of questions about porn (yes, even in the context of the movie -- this is a hot button topic and especially when you are talking to someone you know offends easily)?

If there was a cause of action that was "accidental harassment via stupidity and lack of self-awareness," I think this two would be guilty of it.


Yes! His tone deafness towards real women’s actual needs and feelings is so weird given his active stance as a male feminist. I saw online where his wife told him he actually still needs to work quite a bit harder at it, which makes sense to me given the stuff he was doing in here.


This was something other people in the industry had said about him too. I think it must stem from anxiety. He tries really hard to come across like he is one person but that isn't who he actually is - but a front he puts on of who he thinks people will like. In the end it makes him very two faced.


Oh, so you know him? I thought he was so unsuccessful that he was beneath notice. But he’s famed for his hypocrisy? This is sourced? Hm, makes sense. Certainly you have a bunch of primary sources to link right?


DP but the texts he has released on his website have his fellow producers or the Sony people talking about how over anxious he is. If he were a woman we would have pages by now about how desperately he needed therapy and anxiety meds and maybe should have found another profession if he wasn’t temperamentally suited to Hollywood.


Why are you speculating as to how anyone other than you would regard him were he female? Try to be less manipulative and for yourself and attempt if you have any capacity to discuss verifiable acts and communications.


Wut? This whole thread is speculation about why Blake did this or why so and so wrote that or whatever. My speculation about how someone with Justin’s issues and temperament would be treated here if he were a woman is ABSOLUTELY on topic. Try to deal.


Wut huh wuuuhh? Maybe you can ABSOLUTELY go back to screaming “MISOGYNY ALERT!!!!!!!” to the posters who are discussing the timelines and complaints rather than projecting and trying with your touching desperation to avoid concluding that she’s a liar based on the materials publicly available.

Your own inability to deal is visible from space. Try a suppository.


lol, yeah, the last ten pages have definitely been filled with a lot of Very Important legal discussions. Wait let me sign on to Westlaw and see if I can find some of these quotes about how overweight Lively is, hang on a minute.


No one said the discussions of her appearance were part of the legal discussions. Some Lively supporter tried to argue that figuring out whether a scene with a lift was ever appropriate, how to approach the topic, and so forth.

It was a discussion about her appearance and styling tipped off by someone(s) arguing that her weight was irrelevant to whether he could lift her weight in a scene Lively intentionally lied about and it’s obvious that that was a big motivator for her false claims. She said no such scene existed; JB’s materials demonstrate it was indeed scripted. Were it never under discussion it’s hard to imagine the topic of her weight being discussed, as the trainer did not, per anything Lively’s side submitted or even suggested, claim that JB talked about BL’s looks or size beyond trying to determine weight so he could safely lift. Speaking of the script, interesting to see that JB was not credited with the screenplay on his poster - a female scriptwriter was, and I’m sure she was tickled to have Lively no wait Reynolds given BL bragging at a premiere “hey my husband rewrote that rooftop scene and no one knows but you reporter for E! Entertainment and that’s an exclusive!” change things around. Much feminism aye aye aye.

It’s fair to talk about the aesthetics of the movie stars when that fairly obviously was a source of tension. She was such a hammy fool for trying to do the costuming; a good stylist or costumer is worth so much. I love the movie Cruella and Emma Thompson looked as fabulous as Emma Stone because both Emmas apparently understood that Jenny Bevan knows more than they about clothes. But those women have talent and don’t use their husbands or friends as enforcers best we know.
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Why is JB wearing hideous rainbow print pajama pants in the film?
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Curious what people think of this: the judge in this case, Lewis Liman, is the brother of director Doug Liman, who made The Bourne Identity, the Edge of Tomorrow, and a bunch of other movies. A major director who has worked with very high level talent. (Their dad was a pretty prominent attorney who worked at Paul Weiss, for those interested).

Anyway, curious if having a brother directing at that level will give Judge Liman and unusually strong insight into how filmmaking works that could help, or potentially bias him, in this case. I tend to think it can only help because my perception is that many people (myself included) have biased layman's perspectives on how movies work and especially the behind the scenes stuff with contracts, power dynamics, etc. I would also assume that Judge Liman will also be less fazed than others might be about the celebrity of it all -- neither impressed or intimidated by it, which should help.
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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why he asked about the weight. If you have a back injury, a few pounds either way isn't going to change lifting someone up. He knew she was post partum and they could estimate her weight from looking at her.

I think he asked more due to his body dysmorphia and issues and wanting to know her exact weight.


Agree with this. He definitely wasn't trying to "fat shame" her. However, I think this is a good example of where he is tone deaf and handles things poorly, and hit backfires HUGELY because Lively is highly reactive.

Asking the trainer what Lively's weight was... that was just stupid. Like unacceptably stupid. Again, I don't think he was trying to harass her or shame her or anything. I just think he was being an idiot and not getting what a radioactive violation of her privacy that would be especially with her just coming back from having a baby and clearly being in a sensitive place regarding her weight.

The stuff about him recommending a "weight loss specialist" is silly and I don't agree with her at all that that's what he was doing. But I also thin it all links back to him doing this dumb thing and asking her trainer for her weight.

He and Heath both do stuff like this throughout the production -- just idiotic transgressions that I truly don't believe were intentionally harassing but even just taken in isolation, I'm like "what? who does that?" Telling a mother of four what is normal during childbirth? Walking in on a woman who is topless in a trailer (even if you think she might be "cool" with it, this is just a dumb thing to do and someone with more sense would be like "oh excuse me I'll wait outside")? Talking about porn and asking lots of questions about porn (yes, even in the context of the movie -- this is a hot button topic and especially when you are talking to someone you know offends easily)?

If there was a cause of action that was "accidental harassment via stupidity and lack of self-awareness," I think this two would be guilty of it.


Yes! His tone deafness towards real women’s actual needs and feelings is so weird given his active stance as a male feminist. I saw online where his wife told him he actually still needs to work quite a bit harder at it, which makes sense to me given the stuff he was doing in here.


This was something other people in the industry had said about him too. I think it must stem from anxiety. He tries really hard to come across like he is one person but that isn't who he actually is - but a front he puts on of who he thinks people will like. In the end it makes him very two faced.


Oh, so you know him? I thought he was so unsuccessful that he was beneath notice. But he’s famed for his hypocrisy? This is sourced? Hm, makes sense. Certainly you have a bunch of primary sources to link right?


DP but the texts he has released on his website have his fellow producers or the Sony people talking about how over anxious he is. If he were a woman we would have pages by now about how desperately he needed therapy and anxiety meds and maybe should have found another profession if he wasn’t temperamentally suited to Hollywood.


Why are you speculating as to how anyone other than you would regard him were he female? Try to be less manipulative and for yourself and attempt if you have any capacity to discuss verifiable acts and communications.


Wut? This whole thread is speculation about why Blake did this or why so and so wrote that or whatever. My speculation about how someone with Justin’s issues and temperament would be treated here if he were a woman is ABSOLUTELY on topic. Try to deal.


Wut huh wuuuhh? Maybe you can ABSOLUTELY go back to screaming “MISOGYNY ALERT!!!!!!!” to the posters who are discussing the timelines and complaints rather than projecting and trying with your touching desperation to avoid concluding that she’s a liar based on the materials publicly available.

Your own inability to deal is visible from space. Try a suppository.


lol, yeah, the last ten pages have definitely been filled with a lot of Very Important legal discussions. Wait let me sign on to Westlaw and see if I can find some of these quotes about how overweight Lively is, hang on a minute.


No one said the discussions of her appearance were part of the legal discussions. Some Lively supporter tried to argue that figuring out whether a scene with a lift was ever appropriate, how to approach the topic, and so forth.

It was a discussion about her appearance and styling tipped off by someone(s) arguing that her weight was irrelevant to whether he could lift her weight in a scene Lively intentionally lied about and it’s obvious that that was a big motivator for her false claims. She said no such scene existed; JB’s materials demonstrate it was indeed scripted. Were it never under discussion it’s hard to imagine the topic of her weight being discussed, as the trainer did not, per anything Lively’s side submitted or even suggested, claim that JB talked about BL’s looks or size beyond trying to determine weight so he could safely lift. Speaking of the script, interesting to see that JB was not credited with the screenplay on his poster - a female scriptwriter was, and I’m sure she was tickled to have Lively no wait Reynolds given BL bragging at a premiere “hey my husband rewrote that rooftop scene and no one knows but you reporter for E! Entertainment and that’s an exclusive!” change things around. Much feminism aye aye aye.

It’s fair to talk about the aesthetics of the movie stars when that fairly obviously was a source of tension. She was such a hammy fool for trying to do the costuming; a good stylist or costumer is worth so much. I love the movie Cruella and Emma Thompson looked as fabulous as Emma Stone because both Emmas apparently understood that Jenny Bevan knows more than they about clothes. But those women have talent and don’t use their husbands or friends as enforcers best we know.


Pretty sure my inquiry into how folks in this thread would react to a Baldoni who was, as his coworkers described him, this overanxious and constantly overthinking things and, with his back problems, maybe wasn’t really up for the physical demands that the part he had signed up for required. I think based on what people here have been saying about Lively, they would say that Baldoni wasn’t really a good choice for the role, and had bitten off more than he could chew, and that maybe he should have taken a step back. If the role was more psychologically and physically demanding than he could actually handle, I think people here would say it was his and his production company’s mistake for giving it to him.

And looking at him just as a man, who called himself a male feminist, if his own wife tells him he is not being a proper feminist at times, if he himself says he wasn’t doing a great job of it during those six months, I’m really not going to disagree with him. Insisting that a woman who has had multiple kids actually needs to give birth topless I. A tub because that’s how his wife and all women do it — well, that’s … I don’t like that at all, sir. Same with the “all real wimmens simultaneously hit the big O with their mens” thing and insisting on adding in a scene showing that. No thank you, sir. This supposedly enlightened man is giving off a very weird vibe, and that’s all before he knowingly hired the very same PR firm that took down Amber Heard. If uiu did t hate Lively and Ryan Reynolds in some weird leftover-from-high-school mean girl BS kind of way you might be taking a harder look at your weird feminist hero, but you guys only need one Wicker Man to set on fire and you already have both Lively and Reynolds, so I guess that’s already plenty.
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Re first paragraph above, I mean what folks here would say if Baldoni were a woman.
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Anonymous wrote:If you are crying over a back injury and then have to lift someone up and have MEDICAL restrictions it is completely appropriate to ask for someone’s weight.


But asking her trainer behind her back was very much the wrong way to go about it. Like just think.

He should have worked with a stunt coordinator who could have figured out if it was safe for him to lift her without that kind invasion of privacy, or just reworked the scene so he didn't lift her. He was the director, not just an actor on the movie, so the solutions available to him were actually pretty extensive.

To be clear, I don't think asking her trainer about her weight was harassment. I just think it was an incredibly stupid way to handle that situation.


It was the perfect way, because he did not want to upset Blake by asking her directly. But go off on one of your four paragraph diatribes, please.


No and I say this trying to be helpful: if you are ever in a situation where you have to lift a woman (or anyone actually) for work and you are unsure if you can do so safely, the answer is never "I will go and ask this person's trainer/physician/dietician/assistant what they weigh." It's not a smart way to handle that, it comes off as very invasive. A lot of people are self-conscious about their weight and would be very uncomfortable having it discussed in that way.


I'm a woman and would have no issue with this whatsoever. He's clearly trying to not upset her by talking about her weight with her directly.


Well I'm a former employment lawyer and I would advise against it because it is precisely it's precisely the kind of thing that upsets people and exposes you to litigation. My advice to any employer or professional would be that if there is a touchy topic like this, you should (1) see if you can solve the problem without obtaining the personal information at all, or if that is not possible (2) go through a system where it is not you, personally, asking the question, but it's going through some kind de-personalized process that you can stay at arms length from. Like in this case I would have suggested hiring a stunt coordinator to choreograph the lift and work separately with both actors, and the stunt coordinator could have had Lively directly disclose her weight in a confidential way and then the coordinator can make an assessment about the safety of the lift (or change it to make it safer) based on that info, without ever disclosing the sensitive info.

Asking behind her back was a dumb move and he should have recognized that. I have seen managers do similar things regarding personal info like an employees physical or mental health condition, family status, etc., and it can go south very quickly.


You are not an employment lawyer, but nice try.

These are actors though. They are playing characters in a film. Her weight and looks are relevant as she is supposed to become the character. We aren’t talking about an office job, BL and JB aren’t accountants.


There are many jobs where a person's weight is relevant (dancer, acrobat, wrestler, military, personal trainer, to name a few) but in none of them would going behind their back to ask their trainer what their weight is be the appropriate way to address it. You would just address it via a formal process for whatever whatever job requirement was impacted by their weight.

BL was miscast here, yes she was too heavy, too old, too matronly for this part. Both JB and BL seem very unprofessional for various reasons, but for BL to be offended by JB inquiring about her weight is extremely insecure especially for a supposed actor.


He’s still several years older. A late 30s man with a 21 yr old is hardly realistic.

He looks older than his age and the entire premise of the film is unrealistic. No neurosurgeon would be with this florist woman, no offense to florists, it just wouldn’t happen irl.


The movie was prole slop meant to appeal to middle American women with dead-end and do-nothing laptop jobs.
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Also on the big O point, if his wife is doing that every time like he says, pretty sure she is faking it.
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Anonymous wrote:Also on the big O point, if his wife is doing that every time like he says, pretty sure she is faking it.


And usually when women do this it’s to soothe their man’s ego, which you wouldn’t think a certified (tm) Male Feminist would need so much but *shrug*
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Anonymous wrote:Re first paragraph above, I mean what folks here would say if Baldoni were a woman.


Ignore this poster. She just repeatedly tries to get the thread shut down.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Re first paragraph above, I mean what folks here would say if Baldoni were a woman.


Ignore this poster. She just repeatedly tries to get the thread shut down.


Nope, just adding my very real opinion to this thread, same as you. I can understand why you wouldn’t want to deal with my criticism of Baldoni, but I assure you it’s perfectly sincere and in no way am I trying to shut the thread, which I totally understand you kind of need for your continuing mental health at this point. But I am allowed to have and post negative opinions about Baldoni in here.
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