Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder whether when all of this is over whether Baldoni will go back to a public facing feminist role, or whether he will naturally make a hard right turn that sometimes happens when the feminism was fake to begin with. Kind of like Milo Yannapolis, Jordan Peterson, Russell Brand and their ilk — initially gained attention for being male feminists and then sh!t got real.

Maybe this has changed his view on feminism. He’s gotten totally screwed over with false allegations.

Alternatively, maybe Big Man got called on some of his sexist bullish!t and harassment such as insisting on sex scenes and nudity from a costar who hadn’t signed up for that, and maybe mentally he just couldn’t cope with that when he had built his entire public image on being a male feminist who supported women. Seems like that story was coming crashing down. So I wonder whether he will try to rebuild it if he sincerely believes that way, or if he will go the other way if it was never really heartfelt but kinda just a prop from the start to get attention.

You sound desperate and crazy, for real.

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JB looks like Yanni…

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure that you’re the only person in here who is “outraged” — I guess that anyone might possibly disagree with you about what a great feminist and good guy Baldoni is. This is a thread to discuss that, not just for a bunch of people to talk about how overweight Lively was.

There are so very many different PR firms. Absolutely no need to hire the very same one that had destroyed Heard. My guess is he knew precisely what he was doing.

I have no idea about Justin’s feminism and whether or not he is a good guy. Blake and Ryan tried to destroy him and Jamey heath. If I were in their shoes I would try and destroy them right back. When you make false accusations like this the gloves are off.

Ok but he signed a document saying he wouldn't retaliate against Lively. If he hired PR specifically to "destroy" Lively he will lose his lawsuit, even if you think he had a right to do that. He said he wouldn't.

So you think she should use her dragons and destroy him and he should just do nothing? I don’t think he signed a paper promising that lol.

The multiple people arguing with you have been super clear about this. Hollywood has hundreds or PR firms and dozens of very excellent ones. There was no need to hire precisely the same PR firms that planted stories to destroy Heard, if you actually have any feminist ideals. Seems like you also wouldn’t want to send your people a story about another woman being taken out by questionable PR and say “hey this is the kind of thing we need.” Seems like you’re specifically focused on some sort of male vengeance at that point that would seem to run counter to actual feminism, but ymmv I guess.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are crying over a back injury and then have to lift someone up and have MEDICAL restrictions it is completely appropriate to ask for someone’s weight.

But asking her trainer behind her back was very much the wrong way to go about it. Like just think.

He should have worked with a stunt coordinator who could have figured out if it was safe for him to lift her without that kind invasion of privacy, or just reworked the scene so he didn't lift her. He was the director, not just an actor on the movie, so the solutions available to him were actually pretty extensive.

To be clear, I don't think asking her trainer about her weight was harassment. I just think it was an incredibly stupid way to handle that situation.

It was the perfect way, because he did not want to upset Blake by asking her directly. But go off on one of your four paragraph diatribes, please.

No and I say this trying to be helpful: if you are ever in a situation where you have to lift a woman (or anyone actually) for work and you are unsure if you can do so safely, the answer is never "I will go and ask this person's trainer/physician/dietician/assistant what they weigh." It's not a smart way to handle that, it comes off as very invasive. A lot of people are self-conscious about their weight and would be very uncomfortable having it discussed in that way.

I'm a woman and would have no issue with this whatsoever. He's clearly trying to not upset her by talking about her weight with her directly.

Well I'm a former employment lawyer and I would advise against it because it is precisely it's precisely the kind of thing that upsets people and exposes you to litigation. My advice to any employer or professional would be that if there is a touchy topic like this, you should (1) see if you can solve the problem without obtaining the personal information at all, or if that is not possible (2) go through a system where it is not you, personally, asking the question, but it's going through some kind de-personalized process that you can stay at arms length from. Like in this case I would have suggested hiring a stunt coordinator to choreograph the lift and work separately with both actors, and the stunt coordinator could have had Lively directly disclose her weight in a confidential way and then the coordinator can make an assessment about the safety of the lift (or change it to make it safer) based on that info, without ever disclosing the sensitive info.

Asking behind her back was a dumb move and he should have recognized that. I have seen managers do similar things regarding personal info like an employees physical or mental health condition, family status, etc., and it can go south very quickly.

Oh please. This is part of her job. the same as having to know her dress size for costuming.

Yes but the way you find out an actor's size for costumes is not by going behind their back to their stylist and asking like it's some shameful secret that you need to get on the sly.

You call the actor in for a fitting and make sure everyone involved is professional and discrete. The end.

Baldoni should have just had a stunt coordinator work with them if he was worried about it. TBH it sounds like the limiting factor here was Baldoni's injury and back issues, not Lively's weight. He could have just talked to his doctor and ballparked her weight without asking anyone and gotten the advice he needed.

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Anonymous wrote:JB looks like Yanni…

Ha!! He reminds me a little of Gary Gulman, the comedian, who I actually like, so that’s kind of a bummer.

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure that you’re the only person in here who is “outraged” — I guess that anyone might possibly disagree with you about what a great feminist and good guy Baldoni is. This is a thread to discuss that, not just for a bunch of people to talk about how overweight Lively was.

There are so very many different PR firms. Absolutely no need to hire the very same one that had destroyed Heard. My guess is he knew precisely what he was doing.

I have no idea about Justin’s feminism and whether or not he is a good guy. Blake and Ryan tried to destroy him and Jamey heath. If I were in their shoes I would try and destroy them right back. When you make false accusations like this the gloves are off.

Ok but he signed a document saying he wouldn't retaliate against Lively. If he hired PR specifically to "destroy" Lively he will lose his lawsuit, even if you think he had a right to do that. He said he wouldn't.

So you think she should use her dragons and destroy him and he should just do nothing? I don’t think he signed a paper promising that lol.

The multiple people arguing with you have been super clear about this. Hollywood has hundreds or PR firms and dozens of very excellent ones. There was no need to hire precisely the same PR firms that planted stories to destroy Heard, if you actually have any feminist ideals. Seems like you also wouldn’t want to send your people a story about another woman being taken out by questionable PR and say “hey this is the kind of thing we need.” Seems like you’re specifically focused on some sort of male vengeance at that point that would seem to run counter to actual feminism, but ymmv I guess.

Also no reason to hire Nathan if you are actually innocent. Depp hired Nathan because Depp is a violent alcoholic and Heard had him on video going into violent tirades. Depp could not win in the court of public opinion without dirty tricks because Depp was/is a pretty crappy person who treated his ex-wife very badly. There wasn't much to work with there.

If Baldoni is such a great guy and the allegations were totally false, he doesn't need Nathan doing dirty tricks for him. He can hire someone one the up and up who will promote what a good guy his is with all the copious evidence at their disposal.

Nathan's specialty is smearing the opposition because it's the only way out of getting pinned with viable accusations. Why would Baldoni need that?

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I feel like there are still some twists and turns ahead.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder whether when all of this is over whether Baldoni will go back to a public facing feminist role, or whether he will naturally make a hard right turn that sometimes happens when the feminism was fake to begin with. Kind of like Milo Yannapolis, Jordan Peterson, Russell Brand and their ilk — initially gained attention for being male feminists and then sh!t got real.

Maybe this has changed his view on feminism. He’s gotten totally screwed over with false allegations.

Alternatively, maybe Big Man got called on some of his sexist bullish!t and harassment such as insisting on sex scenes and nudity from a costar who hadn’t signed up for that, and maybe mentally he just couldn’t cope with that when he had built his entire public image on being a male feminist who supported women. Seems like that story was coming crashing down. So I wonder whether he will try to rebuild it if he sincerely believes that way, or if he will go the other way if it was never really heartfelt but kinda just a prop from the start to get attention.

You sound desperate and crazy, for real.

I honestly think I sound much less desperate or crazy than multiple people in here who have been calling Lively and Reynolds all sorts of juvenile names, speculating on their marriage, mental health, clothing size, personality disorders, etc etc and yet somehow you haven’t been calling them out, just me. The world is a strange place.

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure that you’re the only person in here who is “outraged” — I guess that anyone might possibly disagree with you about what a great feminist and good guy Baldoni is. This is a thread to discuss that, not just for a bunch of people to talk about how overweight Lively was.

There are so very many different PR firms. Absolutely no need to hire the very same one that had destroyed Heard. My guess is he knew precisely what he was doing.

I have no idea about Justin’s feminism and whether or not he is a good guy. Blake and Ryan tried to destroy him and Jamey heath. If I were in their shoes I would try and destroy them right back. When you make false accusations like this the gloves are off.

Ok but he signed a document saying he wouldn't retaliate against Lively. If he hired PR specifically to "destroy" Lively he will lose his lawsuit, even if you think he had a right to do that. He said he wouldn't.

So you think she should use her dragons and destroy him and he should just do nothing? I don’t think he signed a paper promising that lol.

The multiple people arguing with you have been super clear about this. Hollywood has hundreds or PR firms and dozens of very excellent ones. There was no need to hire precisely the same PR firms that planted stories to destroy Heard, if you actually have any feminist ideals. Seems like you also wouldn’t want to send your people a story about another woman being taken out by questionable PR and say “hey this is the kind of thing we need.” Seems like you’re specifically focused on some sort of male vengeance at that point that would seem to run counter to actual feminism, but ymmv I guess.

Also no reason to hire Nathan if you are actually innocent. Depp hired Nathan because Depp is a violent alcoholic and Heard had him on video going into violent tirades. Depp could not win in the court of public opinion without dirty tricks because Depp was/is a pretty crappy person who treated his ex-wife very badly. There wasn't much to work with there.

If Baldoni is such a great guy and the allegations were totally false, he doesn't need Nathan doing dirty tricks for him. He can hire someone one the up and up who will promote what a good guy his is with all the copious evidence at their disposal.

Nathan's specialty is smearing the opposition because it's the only way out of getting pinned with viable accusations. Why would Baldoni need that?

I’m PP you’re agreeing with above and that is a really, really great point. Wish I had thought of that. Why, indeed?

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure that you’re the only person in here who is “outraged” — I guess that anyone might possibly disagree with you about what a great feminist and good guy Baldoni is. This is a thread to discuss that, not just for a bunch of people to talk about how overweight Lively was.

There are so very many different PR firms. Absolutely no need to hire the very same one that had destroyed Heard. My guess is he knew precisely what he was doing.

I have no idea about Justin’s feminism and whether or not he is a good guy. Blake and Ryan tried to destroy him and Jamey heath. If I were in their shoes I would try and destroy them right back. When you make false accusations like this the gloves are off.

Ok but he signed a document saying he wouldn't retaliate against Lively. If he hired PR specifically to "destroy" Lively he will lose his lawsuit, even if you think he had a right to do that. He said he wouldn't.

So you think she should use her dragons and destroy him and he should just do nothing? I don’t think he signed a paper promising that lol.

The multiple people arguing with you have been super clear about this. Hollywood has hundreds or PR firms and dozens of very excellent ones. There was no need to hire precisely the same PR firms that planted stories to destroy Heard, if you actually have any feminist ideals. Seems like you also wouldn’t want to send your people a story about another woman being taken out by questionable PR and say “hey this is the kind of thing we need.” Seems like you’re specifically focused on some sort of male vengeance at that point that would seem to run counter to actual feminism, but ymmv I guess.

Also no reason to hire Nathan if you are actually innocent. Depp hired Nathan because Depp is a violent alcoholic and Heard had him on video going into violent tirades. Depp could not win in the court of public opinion without dirty tricks because Depp was/is a pretty crappy person who treated his ex-wife very badly. There wasn't much to work with there.

If Baldoni is such a great guy and the allegations were totally false, he doesn't need Nathan doing dirty tricks for him. He can hire someone one the up and up who will promote what a good guy his is with all the copious evidence at their disposal.

Nathan's specialty is smearing the opposition because it's the only way out of getting pinned with viable accusations. Why would Baldoni need that?

I’m PP you’re agreeing with above and that is a really, really great point. Wish I had thought of that. Why, indeed?

Why would Blake lively need to go to the NYT with lies?

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure that you’re the only person in here who is “outraged” — I guess that anyone might possibly disagree with you about what a great feminist and good guy Baldoni is. This is a thread to discuss that, not just for a bunch of people to talk about how overweight Lively was.

There are so very many different PR firms. Absolutely no need to hire the very same one that had destroyed Heard. My guess is he knew precisely what he was doing.

I have no idea about Justin’s feminism and whether or not he is a good guy. Blake and Ryan tried to destroy him and Jamey heath. If I were in their shoes I would try and destroy them right back. When you make false accusations like this the gloves are off.

Ok but he signed a document saying he wouldn't retaliate against Lively. If he hired PR specifically to "destroy" Lively he will lose his lawsuit, even if you think he had a right to do that. He said he wouldn't.

So you think she should use her dragons and destroy him and he should just do nothing? I don’t think he signed a paper promising that lol.

The multiple people arguing with you have been super clear about this. Hollywood has hundreds or PR firms and dozens of very excellent ones. There was no need to hire precisely the same PR firms that planted stories to destroy Heard, if you actually have any feminist ideals. Seems like you also wouldn’t want to send your people a story about another woman being taken out by questionable PR and say “hey this is the kind of thing we need.” Seems like you’re specifically focused on some sort of male vengeance at that point that would seem to run counter to actual feminism, but ymmv I guess.

Also no reason to hire Nathan if you are actually innocent. Depp hired Nathan because Depp is a violent alcoholic and Heard had him on video going into violent tirades. Depp could not win in the court of public opinion without dirty tricks because Depp was/is a pretty crappy person who treated his ex-wife very badly. There wasn't much to work with there.

If Baldoni is such a great guy and the allegations were totally false, he doesn't need Nathan doing dirty tricks for him. He can hire someone one the up and up who will promote what a good guy his is with all the copious evidence at their disposal.

Nathan's specialty is smearing the opposition because it's the only way out of getting pinned with viable accusations. Why would Baldoni need that?

I’m PP you’re agreeing with above and that is a really, really great point. Wish I had thought of that. Why, indeed?

Why would Blake lively need to go to the NYT with lies?

Better question: why would Blake Lively file a lawsuit and publicize it in the NYT if it was based on lies? Surely it would be debunked and ruin her career. It doesn't make any sense unless she truly believes her allegations are truthful.

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Team Baldoni

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure that you’re the only person in here who is “outraged” — I guess that anyone might possibly disagree with you about what a great feminist and good guy Baldoni is. This is a thread to discuss that, not just for a bunch of people to talk about how overweight Lively was.

There are so very many different PR firms. Absolutely no need to hire the very same one that had destroyed Heard. My guess is he knew precisely what he was doing.

I have no idea about Justin’s feminism and whether or not he is a good guy. Blake and Ryan tried to destroy him and Jamey heath. If I were in their shoes I would try and destroy them right back. When you make false accusations like this the gloves are off.

Ok but he signed a document saying he wouldn't retaliate against Lively. If he hired PR specifically to "destroy" Lively he will lose his lawsuit, even if you think he had a right to do that. He said he wouldn't.

So you think she should use her dragons and destroy him and he should just do nothing? I don’t think he signed a paper promising that lol.

The multiple people arguing with you have been super clear about this. Hollywood has hundreds or PR firms and dozens of very excellent ones. There was no need to hire precisely the same PR firms that planted stories to destroy Heard, if you actually have any feminist ideals. Seems like you also wouldn’t want to send your people a story about another woman being taken out by questionable PR and say “hey this is the kind of thing we need.” Seems like you’re specifically focused on some sort of male vengeance at that point that would seem to run counter to actual feminism, but ymmv I guess.

Also no reason to hire Nathan if you are actually innocent. Depp hired Nathan because Depp is a violent alcoholic and Heard had him on video going into violent tirades. Depp could not win in the court of public opinion without dirty tricks because Depp was/is a pretty crappy person who treated his ex-wife very badly. There wasn't much to work with there.

If Baldoni is such a great guy and the allegations were totally false, he doesn't need Nathan doing dirty tricks for him. He can hire someone one the up and up who will promote what a good guy his is with all the copious evidence at their disposal.

Nathan's specialty is smearing the opposition because it's the only way out of getting pinned with viable accusations. Why would Baldoni need that?

I’m PP you’re agreeing with above and that is a really, really great point. Wish I had thought of that. Why, indeed?

Why would Blake lively need to go to the NYT with lies?

Better question: why would Blake Lively file a lawsuit and publicize it in the NYT if it was based on lies? Surely it would be debunked and ruin her career. It doesn't make any sense unless she truly believes her allegations are truthful.

It has been debunked by the plethora of receipts released so far. She never expected Justin to be able to fight back to this level. And she is going down.

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Interestingly, the only other films that Baldoni had directed before this one were teen romances with little to no nudity, so it seems possible that Baldoni actually had no idea what he was doing as the director of a more mature film. The whole premise of his debut film, Five Feet Apart, was that the doomed, sick, teenaged lovers needed to stay five feet apart from one another so that they wouldn’t die. If Baldoni had just carried a little bit of that prudence into this film and not thrown surprise kissing and nudity and sex at his costar, he might not be in this situation.

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure that you’re the only person in here who is “outraged” — I guess that anyone might possibly disagree with you about what a great feminist and good guy Baldoni is. This is a thread to discuss that, not just for a bunch of people to talk about how overweight Lively was.

There are so very many different PR firms. Absolutely no need to hire the very same one that had destroyed Heard. My guess is he knew precisely what he was doing.

I have no idea about Justin’s feminism and whether or not he is a good guy. Blake and Ryan tried to destroy him and Jamey heath. If I were in their shoes I would try and destroy them right back. When you make false accusations like this the gloves are off.

Ok but he signed a document saying he wouldn't retaliate against Lively. If he hired PR specifically to "destroy" Lively he will lose his lawsuit, even if you think he had a right to do that. He said he wouldn't.

So you think she should use her dragons and destroy him and he should just do nothing? I don’t think he signed a paper promising that lol.

The multiple people arguing with you have been super clear about this. Hollywood has hundreds or PR firms and dozens of very excellent ones. There was no need to hire precisely the same PR firms that planted stories to destroy Heard, if you actually have any feminist ideals. Seems like you also wouldn’t want to send your people a story about another woman being taken out by questionable PR and say “hey this is the kind of thing we need.” Seems like you’re specifically focused on some sort of male vengeance at that point that would seem to run counter to actual feminism, but ymmv I guess.

Also no reason to hire Nathan if you are actually innocent. Depp hired Nathan because Depp is a violent alcoholic and Heard had him on video going into violent tirades. Depp could not win in the court of public opinion without dirty tricks because Depp was/is a pretty crappy person who treated his ex-wife very badly. There wasn't much to work with there.

If Baldoni is such a great guy and the allegations were totally false, he doesn't need Nathan doing dirty tricks for him. He can hire someone one the up and up who will promote what a good guy his is with all the copious evidence at their disposal.

Nathan's specialty is smearing the opposition because it's the only way out of getting pinned with viable accusations. Why would Baldoni need that?

Nathan and her page six sister are freaks for how they work. I am on Justin's side but I they both of them + Abel all need to go down.