Trump tariffs: ruin U.S. economy until 2040

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I'll say this for Trump and the working class. He was right to call out NAFTA and China's accession to the WTO as a big reason for why manufacturing jobs were obliterated in the US.

There are many studies indicating that the main driver of the decline in the # of US manufacturing jobs has been increases in productivity. China's impact has been relatively small.

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Anonymous wrote:If only there was a Party that addressed the concerns of working and middle class Americans. Not seeing anything from Hakeem Jeffries or Chuck Schumer. And meanwhile leading Democratic presidential candidate Gavin Newsom spends his days like a middle schooler with his online trolling and memes.

At some point the rest of the world is going to acknowledge that the US is not a serious country. The moment when the US dollar - which has dropped more than 10 percent in recent months - is abandoned as the global reserve currency is when the bottom drops out for the US. And it will be catastrophic.

The EU and Asia seem to be buying time now to prepare for a new world. But it’s just a question of time. Absolutely no country can rely on the US for anything anymore - including capital markets.

Harris offered up a whole platform of solutions which are still part of the Dem party platform. You can choose to ignore, or you can acknowledge that the Dems have been fighting for the working class for decades and that Governor Newsome is trying to meet the moment, taking on Texas with respect to Gerrymandering.

Historically, the Dems and the Unions are responsible for: 5 day work week, minimum wage, healthcare, worker safety requirement and a whole host of other things that people like you either ignore or memory-hole for some reason.

What is the GOP doing for working class residents other than killing jobs, stagnating wages and eliminating guardrails to corporate greed and exploitation?

I'll say this for Trump and the working class. He was right to call out NAFTA and China's accession to the WTO as a big reason for why manufacturing jobs were obliterated in the US. He was right to call out the enormous impact illegal migrants have had on wages as employers seek to exploit vulnerable people to reduce wage costs - not to mention all the social, housing, education, and crime issues that came with opening the border like Biden did. He was also right - unique among Republicans - to call out how stupid our endless wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were, which overwhelming affected the working and middle class folks who serve.

I don't like Trump. I think he's a disaster.

But what do Democrats offer?

Some obscure tax credit, and then samo samo for Wall Street and the warmongers. Plus, Democrats are all about preferential hiring for certain chosen people, which profoundly impacts whites, asians, and hispanics just trying to make a living. Throw in the refusal of Democrats to prosecute violent crime, which overwhelmingly impacts working and middle class communities. And then add all the social progressive crap - with its DEI, LatinX, CIS-whatever, Terfs, and all the other nonsense. Then finish off with Democrats making it impossible for public schools to have safe and well-run schools because "Equity."

Republicans suck. But what the WTF do Democrats do for the working and middle class?

The answer is nothing. They make day to day life for the vast majority of working and middle class folks more difficult. Can't deal with crime, schools, unfair trade, fair hiring, and they have a propensity for being enthusiastic for stupid wars.

I despise Trump and Republicans. But they are right on some things. And Democrats offer absolutely nothing. A tiny little tax credit does F all to fix America.

I am not sure why you don't think OSHA and safe working conditions, a 40 hour work week, a five day work week, a minimum wage, affordable healthcare, support for public ediucations, safe food and water, safe drugs etc are not things the Democraats have done for working Americans.

Name one thing the GOP has done for working Americans since the 1950's.

Federal minimum wage is a joke. You've never worked in a factory have you?

The GOP/MAGA just blocked the Dems federal wage increase two months ago.

Obama had all the tools he needed to fix it, index it to inflation for example. Republicans don't do minimum wage, but Trump is doing tariffs. That is something which is not insignificant. If your argument is Democrats give us Minimum wage vs Trump giving us tariffs, well did Democrats really give us a decent minimum wage? I don't think so.

Then what about everyone else that aren't in a Union and make more than a minimum wage. (Hint: I lost my job and ACA was horrible.)

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Anonymous wrote:If only there was a Party that addressed the concerns of working and middle class Americans. Not seeing anything from Hakeem Jeffries or Chuck Schumer. And meanwhile leading Democratic presidential candidate Gavin Newsom spends his days like a middle schooler with his online trolling and memes.

At some point the rest of the world is going to acknowledge that the US is not a serious country. The moment when the US dollar - which has dropped more than 10 percent in recent months - is abandoned as the global reserve currency is when the bottom drops out for the US. And it will be catastrophic.

The EU and Asia seem to be buying time now to prepare for a new world. But it’s just a question of time. Absolutely no country can rely on the US for anything anymore - including capital markets.

Harris offered up a whole platform of solutions which are still part of the Dem party platform. You can choose to ignore, or you can acknowledge that the Dems have been fighting for the working class for decades and that Governor Newsome is trying to meet the moment, taking on Texas with respect to Gerrymandering.

Historically, the Dems and the Unions are responsible for: 5 day work week, minimum wage, healthcare, worker safety requirement and a whole host of other things that people like you either ignore or memory-hole for some reason.

What is the GOP doing for working class residents other than killing jobs, stagnating wages and eliminating guardrails to corporate greed and exploitation?

I'll say this for Trump and the working class. He was right to call out NAFTA and China's accession to the WTO as a big reason for why manufacturing jobs were obliterated in the US. He was right to call out the enormous impact illegal migrants have had on wages as employers seek to exploit vulnerable people to reduce wage costs - not to mention all the social, housing, education, and crime issues that came with opening the border like Biden did. He was also right - unique among Republicans - to call out how stupid our endless wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were, which overwhelming affected the working and middle class folks who serve.

I don't like Trump. I think he's a disaster.

But what do Democrats offer?

Some obscure tax credit, and then samo samo for Wall Street and the warmongers. Plus, Democrats are all about preferential hiring for certain chosen people, which profoundly impacts whites, asians, and hispanics just trying to make a living. Throw in the refusal of Democrats to prosecute violent crime, which overwhelmingly impacts working and middle class communities. And then add all the social progressive crap - with its DEI, LatinX, CIS-whatever, Terfs, and all the other nonsense. Then finish off with Democrats making it impossible for public schools to have safe and well-run schools because "Equity."

Republicans suck. But what the WTF do Democrats do for the working and middle class?

The answer is nothing. They make day to day life for the vast majority of working and middle class folks more difficult. Can't deal with crime, schools, unfair trade, fair hiring, and they have a propensity for being enthusiastic for stupid wars.

I despise Trump and Republicans. But they are right on some things. And Democrats offer absolutely nothing. A tiny little tax credit does F all to fix America.

I am not sure why you don't think OSHA and safe working conditions, a 40 hour work week, a five day work week, a minimum wage, affordable healthcare, support for public ediucations, safe food and water, safe drugs etc are not things the Democraats have done for working Americans.

Name one thing the GOP has done for working Americans since the 1950's.

Federal minimum wage is a joke. You've never worked in a factory have you?

The GOP/MAGA just blocked the Dems federal wage increase two months ago.

Obama had all the tools he needed to fix it, index it to inflation for example. Republicans don't do minimum wage, but Trump is doing tariffs. That is something which is not insignificant. If your argument is Democrats give us Minimum wage vs Trump giving us tariffs, well did Democrats really give us a decent minimum wage? I don't think so.

Then what about everyone else that aren't in a Union and make more than a minimum wage. (Hint: I lost my job and ACA was horrible.)

Sigh…..
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/senate-republicans-block-obama-bid-to-hike-minimum-wage-idUSBREA3T0PX/

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Anonymous wrote:I’m pp, also Walmart was the biggest reason we shopped businesses overseas, not the government. Walmart’s price model is low margin, high volume. They pressured companies to lower prices to be on their shelves and the only way to do that was to ship jobs to China.

It seems easy to blame government instead of greedy capitalists. There’s lots of information on this should you choose to google it. I’ve posted lots of info here on DCUM.

Thanks for giving your heartfelt opinion, but there are many facts you got wrong. And while I understand your point above, it doesn’t go deep enough. For example, WHY do you think Walmart pushes vendors to lower their prices? It is because 1) they know lower prices are available in the market, and 2) customers WANT to pay the cheapest price and don’t mind it coming from China if it does. #2 is VERY important. Capitalism is exceptionally efficient and it rewards companies who offer consumers what they are willing to pay for. Given Walmart’s stature as the nation’s largest retailer by far, they have clearly unlocked the code that American’s simply want low prices. That is impossible to produce in the US at our wage rates and frankly skill level on many products.

By tariffing imports, the government is effectively raising prices and adding a tax. This is a fact. You should google it from a reliable source or better yet use ChatGPT. Additionally, adding tariffs won’t stimulate a notable increase in domestic production as it is still cheaper (and often better) to produce most goods overseas.

This Trump policy on tariffs is only raising prices while simultaneously doing little to stimulate domestic production. And ironically, the ones who get hurt the most are those who consume more than they produce & earn (low to mid income families). Those who benefit the most are company owners and those who produce more than they spend (the wealthy). As usual, DJT is only helping himself and those like him at your expense. He is a con.

I’m pp and I didn’t get facts wrong, otherwise I agree with what you wrote. Walmart cannibalized small towns. People were forced to shop low prices because they lost their jobs, then put other towns out of business by shopping there. They also put small shops out of business.

Yes, a lot of it rests on the consumer. The Dems have also failed to get creative. They should tax Walmart for all its employees who use government assistance since they underemploy so many to keep from paying benefits. They could tax non-recycled items, or find other creative measures.

I know what tariffs do, I don’t need to Google it. I don’t use ChatGPT because it’s consuming valuable resources and raising electricity prices.

How do you solve consumer habits?

P.S. you also got a fact wrong. You said that Walmart lowered prices because they were competing with other businesses. That is unequivocally false. It is for the reason I stated in my first post. They set the prices. It was never about competition because stores didn’t have that business model.

I am not sure what your bolded statement even means, but I am very qualified on this, and I understand Walmart’s business model REALLY well. To the point that I would be certified by just about any court of law as an expert on the matter.

Walmart is 100% about competition, and any good retailer is whether they say it that way or not. The Walmart model is low prices and high volume but at modest margins. In order to get the modest margins, they are aggressive with their vendors on costing, and they aim to have among the lowest selling prices in their respective markets compared to others. Said another way, they COMPETE with others on price. Some companies have attempted to promote value outside of price to differentiate from Walmart, and Target did that successfully for a while, but competition is 100% the name of the game.

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Anonymous wrote:If only there was a Party that addressed the concerns of working and middle class Americans. Not seeing anything from Hakeem Jeffries or Chuck Schumer. And meanwhile leading Democratic presidential candidate Gavin Newsom spends his days like a middle schooler with his online trolling and memes.

At some point the rest of the world is going to acknowledge that the US is not a serious country. The moment when the US dollar - which has dropped more than 10 percent in recent months - is abandoned as the global reserve currency is when the bottom drops out for the US. And it will be catastrophic.

The EU and Asia seem to be buying time now to prepare for a new world. But it’s just a question of time. Absolutely no country can rely on the US for anything anymore - including capital markets.

Harris offered up a whole platform of solutions which are still part of the Dem party platform. You can choose to ignore, or you can acknowledge that the Dems have been fighting for the working class for decades and that Governor Newsome is trying to meet the moment, taking on Texas with respect to Gerrymandering.

Historically, the Dems and the Unions are responsible for: 5 day work week, minimum wage, healthcare, worker safety requirement and a whole host of other things that people like you either ignore or memory-hole for some reason.

What is the GOP doing for working class residents other than killing jobs, stagnating wages and eliminating guardrails to corporate greed and exploitation?

I'll say this for Trump and the working class. He was right to call out NAFTA and China's accession to the WTO as a big reason for why manufacturing jobs were obliterated in the US. He was right to call out the enormous impact illegal migrants have had on wages as employers seek to exploit vulnerable people to reduce wage costs - not to mention all the social, housing, education, and crime issues that came with opening the border like Biden did. He was also right - unique among Republicans - to call out how stupid our endless wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were, which overwhelming affected the working and middle class folks who serve.

I don't like Trump. I think he's a disaster.

But what do Democrats offer?

Some obscure tax credit, and then samo samo for Wall Street and the warmongers. Plus, Democrats are all about preferential hiring for certain chosen people, which profoundly impacts whites, asians, and hispanics just trying to make a living. Throw in the refusal of Democrats to prosecute violent crime, which overwhelmingly impacts working and middle class communities. And then add all the social progressive crap - with its DEI, LatinX, CIS-whatever, Terfs, and all the other nonsense. Then finish off with Democrats making it impossible for public schools to have safe and well-run schools because "Equity."

Republicans suck. But what the WTF do Democrats do for the working and middle class?

The answer is nothing. They make day to day life for the vast majority of working and middle class folks more difficult. Can't deal with crime, schools, unfair trade, fair hiring, and they have a propensity for being enthusiastic for stupid wars.

I despise Trump and Republicans. But they are right on some things. And Democrats offer absolutely nothing. A tiny little tax credit does F all to fix America.

I am not sure why you don't think OSHA and safe working conditions, a 40 hour work week, a five day work week, a minimum wage, affordable healthcare, support for public ediucations, safe food and water, safe drugs etc are not things the Democraats have done for working Americans.

Name one thing the GOP has done for working Americans since the 1950's.

Federal minimum wage is a joke. You've never worked in a factory have you?

The GOP/MAGA just blocked the Dems federal wage increase two months ago.

Obama had all the tools he needed to fix it, index it to inflation for example. Republicans don't do minimum wage, but Trump is doing tariffs. That is something which is not insignificant. If your argument is Democrats give us Minimum wage vs Trump giving us tariffs, well did Democrats really give us a decent minimum wage? I don't think so.

Then what about everyone else that aren't in a Union and make more than a minimum wage. (Hint: I lost my job and ACA was horrible.)

Sigh…..
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/senate-republicans-block-obama-bid-to-hike-minimum-wage-idUSBREA3T0PX/

And Democrats tried again under Biden.

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/25/970637190/senate-cant-vote-on-15-minimum-wage-parliamentarian-rules

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Anonymous wrote:If only there was a Party that addressed the concerns of working and middle class Americans. Not seeing anything from Hakeem Jeffries or Chuck Schumer. And meanwhile leading Democratic presidential candidate Gavin Newsom spends his days like a middle schooler with his online trolling and memes.

At some point the rest of the world is going to acknowledge that the US is not a serious country. The moment when the US dollar - which has dropped more than 10 percent in recent months - is abandoned as the global reserve currency is when the bottom drops out for the US. And it will be catastrophic.

The EU and Asia seem to be buying time now to prepare for a new world. But it’s just a question of time. Absolutely no country can rely on the US for anything anymore - including capital markets.

Harris offered up a whole platform of solutions which are still part of the Dem party platform. You can choose to ignore, or you can acknowledge that the Dems have been fighting for the working class for decades and that Governor Newsome is trying to meet the moment, taking on Texas with respect to Gerrymandering.

Historically, the Dems and the Unions are responsible for: 5 day work week, minimum wage, healthcare, worker safety requirement and a whole host of other things that people like you either ignore or memory-hole for some reason.

What is the GOP doing for working class residents other than killing jobs, stagnating wages and eliminating guardrails to corporate greed and exploitation?

I'll say this for Trump and the working class. He was right to call out NAFTA and China's accession to the WTO as a big reason for why manufacturing jobs were obliterated in the US. He was right to call out the enormous impact illegal migrants have had on wages as employers seek to exploit vulnerable people to reduce wage costs - not to mention all the social, housing, education, and crime issues that came with opening the border like Biden did. He was also right - unique among Republicans - to call out how stupid our endless wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were, which overwhelming affected the working and middle class folks who serve.

I don't like Trump. I think he's a disaster.

But what do Democrats offer?

Some obscure tax credit, and then samo samo for Wall Street and the warmongers. Plus, Democrats are all about preferential hiring for certain chosen people, which profoundly impacts whites, asians, and hispanics just trying to make a living. Throw in the refusal of Democrats to prosecute violent crime, which overwhelmingly impacts working and middle class communities. And then add all the social progressive crap - with its DEI, LatinX, CIS-whatever, Terfs, and all the other nonsense. Then finish off with Democrats making it impossible for public schools to have safe and well-run schools because "Equity."

Republicans suck. But what the WTF do Democrats do for the working and middle class?

The answer is nothing. They make day to day life for the vast majority of working and middle class folks more difficult. Can't deal with crime, schools, unfair trade, fair hiring, and they have a propensity for being enthusiastic for stupid wars.

I despise Trump and Republicans. But they are right on some things. And Democrats offer absolutely nothing. A tiny little tax credit does F all to fix America.

I am not sure why you don't think OSHA and safe working conditions, a 40 hour work week, a five day work week, a minimum wage, affordable healthcare, support for public ediucations, safe food and water, safe drugs etc are not things the Democraats have done for working Americans.

Name one thing the GOP has done for working Americans since the 1950's.

Federal minimum wage is a joke. You've never worked in a factory have you?

The GOP/MAGA just blocked the Dems federal wage increase two months ago.

Obama had all the tools he needed to fix it, index it to inflation for example. Republicans don't do minimum wage, but Trump is doing tariffs. That is something which is not insignificant. If your argument is Democrats give us Minimum wage vs Trump giving us tariffs, well did Democrats really give us a decent minimum wage? I don't think so.

Then what about everyone else that aren't in a Union and make more than a minimum wage. (Hint: I lost my job and ACA was horrible.)

Sigh…..
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/senate-republicans-block-obama-bid-to-hike-minimum-wage-idUSBREA3T0PX/

And Democrats tried again under Biden.

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/25/970637190/senate-cant-vote-on-15-minimum-wage-parliamentarian-rules

Truly amazing how the right wing propaganda machine has convinced people to blame democrats for things republicans did

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If only there was a Party that addressed the concerns of working and middle class Americans. Not seeing anything from Hakeem Jeffries or Chuck Schumer. And meanwhile leading Democratic presidential candidate Gavin Newsom spends his days like a middle schooler with his online trolling and memes.

At some point the rest of the world is going to acknowledge that the US is not a serious country. The moment when the US dollar - which has dropped more than 10 percent in recent months - is abandoned as the global reserve currency is when the bottom drops out for the US. And it will be catastrophic.

The EU and Asia seem to be buying time now to prepare for a new world. But it’s just a question of time. Absolutely no country can rely on the US for anything anymore - including capital markets.

Harris offered up a whole platform of solutions which are still part of the Dem party platform. You can choose to ignore, or you can acknowledge that the Dems have been fighting for the working class for decades and that Governor Newsome is trying to meet the moment, taking on Texas with respect to Gerrymandering.

Historically, the Dems and the Unions are responsible for: 5 day work week, minimum wage, healthcare, worker safety requirement and a whole host of other things that people like you either ignore or memory-hole for some reason.

What is the GOP doing for working class residents other than killing jobs, stagnating wages and eliminating guardrails to corporate greed and exploitation?

I'll say this for Trump and the working class. He was right to call out NAFTA and China's accession to the WTO as a big reason for why manufacturing jobs were obliterated in the US. He was right to call out the enormous impact illegal migrants have had on wages as employers seek to exploit vulnerable people to reduce wage costs - not to mention all the social, housing, education, and crime issues that came with opening the border like Biden did. He was also right - unique among Republicans - to call out how stupid our endless wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were, which overwhelming affected the working and middle class folks who serve.

I don't like Trump. I think he's a disaster.

But what do Democrats offer?

Some obscure tax credit, and then samo samo for Wall Street and the warmongers. Plus, Democrats are all about preferential hiring for certain chosen people, which profoundly impacts whites, asians, and hispanics just trying to make a living. Throw in the refusal of Democrats to prosecute violent crime, which overwhelmingly impacts working and middle class communities. And then add all the social progressive crap - with its DEI, LatinX, CIS-whatever, Terfs, and all the other nonsense. Then finish off with Democrats making it impossible for public schools to have safe and well-run schools because "Equity."

Republicans suck. But what the WTF do Democrats do for the working and middle class?

The answer is nothing. They make day to day life for the vast majority of working and middle class folks more difficult. Can't deal with crime, schools, unfair trade, fair hiring, and they have a propensity for being enthusiastic for stupid wars.

I despise Trump and Republicans. But they are right on some things. And Democrats offer absolutely nothing. A tiny little tax credit does F all to fix America.

I am not sure why you don't think OSHA and safe working conditions, a 40 hour work week, a five day work week, a minimum wage, affordable healthcare, support for public ediucations, safe food and water, safe drugs etc are not things the Democraats have done for working Americans.

Name one thing the GOP has done for working Americans since the 1950's.

Federal minimum wage is a joke. You've never worked in a factory have you?

It should be higher. I assume that is why you think it is a joke. The left continues to want to raise it, the GOP continues to want to eliminate it. What is your point?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So Xi is hosting Modi, Erdogan, and Putin in Beijing. They are looking for avenues to avoid the US economy as much as possible. They are trying to set up a new world order for the global market.

Its called BRICS and it already exists. They are solidifying it and figuring out how to further screw the US and Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m pp, also Walmart was the biggest reason we shopped businesses overseas, not the government. Walmart’s price model is low margin, high volume. They pressured companies to lower prices to be on their shelves and the only way to do that was to ship jobs to China.

It seems easy to blame government instead of greedy capitalists. There’s lots of information on this should you choose to google it. I’ve posted lots of info here on DCUM.

Thanks for giving your heartfelt opinion, but there are many facts you got wrong. And while I understand your point above, it doesn’t go deep enough. For example, WHY do you think Walmart pushes vendors to lower their prices? It is because 1) they know lower prices are available in the market, and 2) customers WANT to pay the cheapest price and don’t mind it coming from China if it does. #2 is VERY important. Capitalism is exceptionally efficient and it rewards companies who offer consumers what they are willing to pay for. Given Walmart’s stature as the nation’s largest retailer by far, they have clearly unlocked the code that American’s simply want low prices. That is impossible to produce in the US at our wage rates and frankly skill level on many products.

By tariffing imports, the government is effectively raising prices and adding a tax. This is a fact. You should google it from a reliable source or better yet use ChatGPT. Additionally, adding tariffs won’t stimulate a notable increase in domestic production as it is still cheaper (and often better) to produce most goods overseas.

This Trump policy on tariffs is only raising prices while simultaneously doing little to stimulate domestic production. And ironically, the ones who get hurt the most are those who consume more than they produce & earn (low to mid income families). Those who benefit the most are company owners and those who produce more than they spend (the wealthy). As usual, DJT is only helping himself and those like him at your expense. He is a con.

I’m pp and I didn’t get facts wrong, otherwise I agree with what you wrote. Walmart cannibalized small towns. People were forced to shop low prices because they lost their jobs, then put other towns out of business by shopping there. They also put small shops out of business.

Yes, a lot of it rests on the consumer. The Dems have also failed to get creative. They should tax Walmart for all its employees who use government assistance since they underemploy so many to keep from paying benefits. They could tax non-recycled items, or find other creative measures.

I know what tariffs do, I don’t need to Google it. I don’t use ChatGPT because it’s consuming valuable resources and raising electricity prices.

How do you solve consumer habits?

P.S. you also got a fact wrong. You said that Walmart lowered prices because they were competing with other businesses. That is unequivocally false. It is for the reason I stated in my first post. They set the prices. It was never about competition because stores didn’t have that business model.

DP...they lowered prices forcing other companies out of business, the same way Amazon did with books when it first started.

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Anonymous wrote:If only there was a Party that addressed the concerns of working and middle class Americans. Not seeing anything from Hakeem Jeffries or Chuck Schumer. And meanwhile leading Democratic presidential candidate Gavin Newsom spends his days like a middle schooler with his online trolling and memes.

At some point the rest of the world is going to acknowledge that the US is not a serious country. The moment when the US dollar - which has dropped more than 10 percent in recent months - is abandoned as the global reserve currency is when the bottom drops out for the US. And it will be catastrophic.

The EU and Asia seem to be buying time now to prepare for a new world. But it’s just a question of time. Absolutely no country can rely on the US for anything anymore - including capital markets.

Harris offered up a whole platform of solutions which are still part of the Dem party platform. You can choose to ignore, or you can acknowledge that the Dems have been fighting for the working class for decades and that Governor Newsome is trying to meet the moment, taking on Texas with respect to Gerrymandering.

Historically, the Dems and the Unions are responsible for: 5 day work week, minimum wage, healthcare, worker safety requirement and a whole host of other things that people like you either ignore or memory-hole for some reason.

What is the GOP doing for working class residents other than killing jobs, stagnating wages and eliminating guardrails to corporate greed and exploitation?

I'll say this for Trump and the working class. He was right to call out NAFTA and China's accession to the WTO as a big reason for why manufacturing jobs were obliterated in the US. He was right to call out the enormous impact illegal migrants have had on wages as employers seek to exploit vulnerable people to reduce wage costs - not to mention all the social, housing, education, and crime issues that came with opening the border like Biden did. He was also right - unique among Republicans - to call out how stupid our endless wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were, which overwhelming affected the working and middle class folks who serve.

I don't like Trump. I think he's a disaster.

But what do Democrats offer?

Some obscure tax credit, and then samo samo for Wall Street and the warmongers. Plus, Democrats are all about preferential hiring for certain chosen people, which profoundly impacts whites, asians, and hispanics just trying to make a living. Throw in the refusal of Democrats to prosecute violent crime, which overwhelmingly impacts working and middle class communities. And then add all the social progressive crap - with its DEI, LatinX, CIS-whatever, Terfs, and all the other nonsense. Then finish off with Democrats making it impossible for public schools to have safe and well-run schools because "Equity."

Republicans suck. But what the WTF do Democrats do for the working and middle class?

The answer is nothing. They make day to day life for the vast majority of working and middle class folks more difficult. Can't deal with crime, schools, unfair trade, fair hiring, and they have a propensity for being enthusiastic for stupid wars.

I despise Trump and Republicans. But they are right on some things. And Democrats offer absolutely nothing. A tiny little tax credit does F all to fix America.

I am not sure why you don't think OSHA and safe working conditions, a 40 hour work week, a five day work week, a minimum wage, affordable healthcare, support for public ediucations, safe food and water, safe drugs etc are not things the Democraats have done for working Americans.

Name one thing the GOP has done for working Americans since the 1950's.

Federal minimum wage is a joke. You've never worked in a factory have you?

The GOP/MAGA just blocked the Dems federal wage increase two months ago.

Obama had all the tools he needed to fix it, index it to inflation for example. Republicans don't do minimum wage, but Trump is doing tariffs. That is something which is not insignificant. If your argument is Democrats give us Minimum wage vs Trump giving us tariffs, well did Democrats really give us a decent minimum wage? I don't think so.

Then what about everyone else that aren't in a Union and make more than a minimum wage. (Hint: I lost my job and ACA was horrible.)

They dems have been trying to raise it for decades. What are you even arguing here?

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Anonymous wrote:If only there was a Party that addressed the concerns of working and middle class Americans. Not seeing anything from Hakeem Jeffries or Chuck Schumer. And meanwhile leading Democratic presidential candidate Gavin Newsom spends his days like a middle schooler with his online trolling and memes.

At some point the rest of the world is going to acknowledge that the US is not a serious country. The moment when the US dollar - which has dropped more than 10 percent in recent months - is abandoned as the global reserve currency is when the bottom drops out for the US. And it will be catastrophic.

The EU and Asia seem to be buying time now to prepare for a new world. But it’s just a question of time. Absolutely no country can rely on the US for anything anymore - including capital markets.

Harris offered up a whole platform of solutions which are still part of the Dem party platform. You can choose to ignore, or you can acknowledge that the Dems have been fighting for the working class for decades and that Governor Newsome is trying to meet the moment, taking on Texas with respect to Gerrymandering.

Historically, the Dems and the Unions are responsible for: 5 day work week, minimum wage, healthcare, worker safety requirement and a whole host of other things that people like you either ignore or memory-hole for some reason.

What is the GOP doing for working class residents other than killing jobs, stagnating wages and eliminating guardrails to corporate greed and exploitation?

I'll say this for Trump and the working class. He was right to call out NAFTA and China's accession to the WTO as a big reason for why manufacturing jobs were obliterated in the US. He was right to call out the enormous impact illegal migrants have had on wages as employers seek to exploit vulnerable people to reduce wage costs - not to mention all the social, housing, education, and crime issues that came with opening the border like Biden did. He was also right - unique among Republicans - to call out how stupid our endless wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were, which overwhelming affected the working and middle class folks who serve.

I don't like Trump. I think he's a disaster.

But what do Democrats offer?

Some obscure tax credit, and then samo samo for Wall Street and the warmongers. Plus, Democrats are all about preferential hiring for certain chosen people, which profoundly impacts whites, asians, and hispanics just trying to make a living. Throw in the refusal of Democrats to prosecute violent crime, which overwhelmingly impacts working and middle class communities. And then add all the social progressive crap - with its DEI, LatinX, CIS-whatever, Terfs, and all the other nonsense. Then finish off with Democrats making it impossible for public schools to have safe and well-run schools because "Equity."

Republicans suck. But what the WTF do Democrats do for the working and middle class?

The answer is nothing. They make day to day life for the vast majority of working and middle class folks more difficult. Can't deal with crime, schools, unfair trade, fair hiring, and they have a propensity for being enthusiastic for stupid wars.

I despise Trump and Republicans. But they are right on some things. And Democrats offer absolutely nothing. A tiny little tax credit does F all to fix America.

I am not sure why you don't think OSHA and safe working conditions, a 40 hour work week, a five day work week, a minimum wage, affordable healthcare, support for public ediucations, safe food and water, safe drugs etc are not things the Democraats have done for working Americans.

Name one thing the GOP has done for working Americans since the 1950's.

Federal minimum wage is a joke. You've never worked in a factory have you?

The GOP/MAGA just blocked the Dems federal wage increase two months ago.

Obama had all the tools he needed to fix it, index it to inflation for example. Republicans don't do minimum wage, but Trump is doing tariffs. That is something which is not insignificant. If your argument is Democrats give us Minimum wage vs Trump giving us tariffs, well did Democrats really give us a decent minimum wage? I don't think so.

Then what about everyone else that aren't in a Union and make more than a minimum wage. (Hint: I lost my job and ACA was horrible.)

They dems have been trying to raise it for decades. What are you even arguing here?

So, given that federal minimum wage is practically impossible politically (see below in the timeline when Obama had a filibuster proof majority), why do you present it as an alternative to tariffs? It really doesn't exist as an alternative.


Timeline of Obama’s Senate majority

January 2009: Obama takes office with 58 Democratic Senators (including independents Bernie Sanders & Joe Lieberman, who caucused with Democrats).

April 2009: Senator Arlen Specter switches from Republican to Democrat, bringing the caucus to 59.

July 2009: After a long recount, Al Franken (D-MN) is finally seated, giving Democrats 60 votes — the number needed to overcome a Republican filibuster.

➡️ This was the only period in Obama’s presidency with a filibuster-proof majority.

How long did it last?

The true 60-vote supermajority lasted from July 2009 to January 2010 (about six months).

It ended when Scott Brown (R-MA) won Ted Kennedy’s former seat in January 2010. After that, Democrats were back to 59 votes and could no longer reliably beat filibusters.

Why not use that window for the minimum wage?

Priorities were elsewhere

Obama and Democratic leadership used most of their political capital on the Affordable Care Act (ACA/Obamacare), economic stimulus, and financial reforms after the 2008 crash.

These were massive fights that consumed nearly all of Congress’s bandwidth.

Intraparty differences

Even with 60 Democrats, the caucus was not perfectly unified.

Conservative/centrist Democrats (like Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, and Joe Lieberman) often opposed progressive measures, especially those seen as “anti-business” during the fragile recovery.

This meant a nominal 60-vote majority didn’t always translate into 60 reliable votes.

Political calculation

Some Democratic strategists worried that pushing a federal minimum wage increase while the economy was still in deep recession (2009–2010) would open them up to criticism that it would hurt hiring.

Instead, Obama focused on minimum wage increases later in his presidency (2013–2014), but by then Republicans controlled the House and filibustered in the Senate.

✅ So technically, yes — Obama had a short period with a filibuster-proof majority.
❌ But practically, the combination of limited time, competing legislative priorities, and a split Democratic caucus meant a minimum wage hike never made it onto the must-pass agenda.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m pp, also Walmart was the biggest reason we shopped businesses overseas, not the government. Walmart’s price model is low margin, high volume. They pressured companies to lower prices to be on their shelves and the only way to do that was to ship jobs to China.

It seems easy to blame government instead of greedy capitalists. There’s lots of information on this should you choose to google it. I’ve posted lots of info here on DCUM.

Thanks for giving your heartfelt opinion, but there are many facts you got wrong. And while I understand your point above, it doesn’t go deep enough. For example, WHY do you think Walmart pushes vendors to lower their prices? It is because 1) they know lower prices are available in the market, and 2) customers WANT to pay the cheapest price and don’t mind it coming from China if it does. #2 is VERY important. Capitalism is exceptionally efficient and it rewards companies who offer consumers what they are willing to pay for. Given Walmart’s stature as the nation’s largest retailer by far, they have clearly unlocked the code that American’s simply want low prices. That is impossible to produce in the US at our wage rates and frankly skill level on many products.

By tariffing imports, the government is effectively raising prices and adding a tax. This is a fact. You should google it from a reliable source or better yet use ChatGPT. Additionally, adding tariffs won’t stimulate a notable increase in domestic production as it is still cheaper (and often better) to produce most goods overseas.

This Trump policy on tariffs is only raising prices while simultaneously doing little to stimulate domestic production. And ironically, the ones who get hurt the most are those who consume more than they produce & earn (low to mid income families). Those who benefit the most are company owners and those who produce more than they spend (the wealthy). As usual, DJT is only helping himself and those like him at your expense. He is a con.

I’m pp and I didn’t get facts wrong, otherwise I agree with what you wrote. Walmart cannibalized small towns. People were forced to shop low prices because they lost their jobs, then put other towns out of business by shopping there. They also put small shops out of business.

Yes, a lot of it rests on the consumer. The Dems have also failed to get creative. They should tax Walmart for all its employees who use government assistance since they underemploy so many to keep from paying benefits. They could tax non-recycled items, or find other creative measures.

I know what tariffs do, I don’t need to Google it. I don’t use ChatGPT because it’s consuming valuable resources and raising electricity prices.

How do you solve consumer habits?

P.S. you also got a fact wrong. You said that Walmart lowered prices because they were competing with other businesses. That is unequivocally false. It is for the reason I stated in my first post. They set the prices. It was never about competition because stores didn’t have that business model.

DP...they lowered prices forcing other companies out of business, the same way Amazon did with books when it first started.

DP, this could warrant a whole separate thread but that IS a form of competition. Is is it not?

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Anonymous wrote:If only there was a Party that addressed the concerns of working and middle class Americans. Not seeing anything from Hakeem Jeffries or Chuck Schumer. And meanwhile leading Democratic presidential candidate Gavin Newsom spends his days like a middle schooler with his online trolling and memes.

At some point the rest of the world is going to acknowledge that the US is not a serious country. The moment when the US dollar - which has dropped more than 10 percent in recent months - is abandoned as the global reserve currency is when the bottom drops out for the US. And it will be catastrophic.

The EU and Asia seem to be buying time now to prepare for a new world. But it’s just a question of time. Absolutely no country can rely on the US for anything anymore - including capital markets.

Harris offered up a whole platform of solutions which are still part of the Dem party platform. You can choose to ignore, or you can acknowledge that the Dems have been fighting for the working class for decades and that Governor Newsome is trying to meet the moment, taking on Texas with respect to Gerrymandering.

Historically, the Dems and the Unions are responsible for: 5 day work week, minimum wage, healthcare, worker safety requirement and a whole host of other things that people like you either ignore or memory-hole for some reason.

What is the GOP doing for working class residents other than killing jobs, stagnating wages and eliminating guardrails to corporate greed and exploitation?

I'll say this for Trump and the working class. He was right to call out NAFTA and China's accession to the WTO as a big reason for why manufacturing jobs were obliterated in the US. He was right to call out the enormous impact illegal migrants have had on wages as employers seek to exploit vulnerable people to reduce wage costs - not to mention all the social, housing, education, and crime issues that came with opening the border like Biden did. He was also right - unique among Republicans - to call out how stupid our endless wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were, which overwhelming affected the working and middle class folks who serve.

I don't like Trump. I think he's a disaster.

But what do Democrats offer?

Some obscure tax credit, and then samo samo for Wall Street and the warmongers. Plus, Democrats are all about preferential hiring for certain chosen people, which profoundly impacts whites, asians, and hispanics just trying to make a living. Throw in the refusal of Democrats to prosecute violent crime, which overwhelmingly impacts working and middle class communities. And then add all the social progressive crap - with its DEI, LatinX, CIS-whatever, Terfs, and all the other nonsense. Then finish off with Democrats making it impossible for public schools to have safe and well-run schools because "Equity."

Republicans suck. But what the WTF do Democrats do for the working and middle class?

The answer is nothing. They make day to day life for the vast majority of working and middle class folks more difficult. Can't deal with crime, schools, unfair trade, fair hiring, and they have a propensity for being enthusiastic for stupid wars.

I despise Trump and Republicans. But they are right on some things. And Democrats offer absolutely nothing. A tiny little tax credit does F all to fix America.

I am not sure why you don't think OSHA and safe working conditions, a 40 hour work week, a five day work week, a minimum wage, affordable healthcare, support for public ediucations, safe food and water, safe drugs etc are not things the Democraats have done for working Americans.

Name one thing the GOP has done for working Americans since the 1950's.

Federal minimum wage is a joke. You've never worked in a factory have you?

The GOP/MAGA just blocked the Dems federal wage increase two months ago.

Obama had all the tools he needed to fix it, index it to inflation for example. Republicans don't do minimum wage, but Trump is doing tariffs. That is something which is not insignificant. If your argument is Democrats give us Minimum wage vs Trump giving us tariffs, well did Democrats really give us a decent minimum wage? I don't think so.

Then what about everyone else that aren't in a Union and make more than a minimum wage. (Hint: I lost my job and ACA was horrible.)

They dems have been trying to raise it for decades. What are you even arguing here?

So, given that federal minimum wage is practically impossible politically (see below in the timeline when Obama had a filibuster proof majority), why do you present it as an alternative to tariffs? It really doesn't exist as an alternative.


Timeline of Obama’s Senate majority

January 2009: Obama takes office with 58 Democratic Senators (including independents Bernie Sanders & Joe Lieberman, who caucused with Democrats).

April 2009: Senator Arlen Specter switches from Republican to Democrat, bringing the caucus to 59.

July 2009: After a long recount, Al Franken (D-MN) is finally seated, giving Democrats 60 votes — the number needed to overcome a Republican filibuster.

➡️ This was the only period in Obama’s presidency with a filibuster-proof majority.

How long did it last?

The true 60-vote supermajority lasted from July 2009 to January 2010 (about six months).

It ended when Scott Brown (R-MA) won Ted Kennedy’s former seat in January 2010. After that, Democrats were back to 59 votes and could no longer reliably beat filibusters.

Why not use that window for the minimum wage?

Priorities were elsewhere

Obama and Democratic leadership used most of their political capital on the Affordable Care Act (ACA/Obamacare), economic stimulus, and financial reforms after the 2008 crash.

These were massive fights that consumed nearly all of Congress’s bandwidth.

Intraparty differences

Even with 60 Democrats, the caucus was not perfectly unified.

Conservative/centrist Democrats (like Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, and Joe Lieberman) often opposed progressive measures, especially those seen as “anti-business” during the fragile recovery.

This meant a nominal 60-vote majority didn’t always translate into 60 reliable votes.

Political calculation

Some Democratic strategists worried that pushing a federal minimum wage increase while the economy was still in deep recession (2009–2010) would open them up to criticism that it would hurt hiring.

Instead, Obama focused on minimum wage increases later in his presidency (2013–2014), but by then Republicans controlled the House and filibustered in the Senate.

✅ So technically, yes — Obama had a short period with a filibuster-proof majority.
❌ But practically, the combination of limited time, competing legislative priorities, and a split Democratic caucus meant a minimum wage hike never made it onto the must-pass agenda.

Context is important...what was happening economically for the first two years when Obama was on office? Do you think THAT was the time to raise minimum wages?

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Anonymous wrote:If only there was a Party that addressed the concerns of working and middle class Americans. Not seeing anything from Hakeem Jeffries or Chuck Schumer. And meanwhile leading Democratic presidential candidate Gavin Newsom spends his days like a middle schooler with his online trolling and memes.

At some point the rest of the world is going to acknowledge that the US is not a serious country. The moment when the US dollar - which has dropped more than 10 percent in recent months - is abandoned as the global reserve currency is when the bottom drops out for the US. And it will be catastrophic.

The EU and Asia seem to be buying time now to prepare for a new world. But it’s just a question of time. Absolutely no country can rely on the US for anything anymore - including capital markets.

Harris offered up a whole platform of solutions which are still part of the Dem party platform. You can choose to ignore, or you can acknowledge that the Dems have been fighting for the working class for decades and that Governor Newsome is trying to meet the moment, taking on Texas with respect to Gerrymandering.

Historically, the Dems and the Unions are responsible for: 5 day work week, minimum wage, healthcare, worker safety requirement and a whole host of other things that people like you either ignore or memory-hole for some reason.

What is the GOP doing for working class residents other than killing jobs, stagnating wages and eliminating guardrails to corporate greed and exploitation?

I'll say this for Trump and the working class. He was right to call out NAFTA and China's accession to the WTO as a big reason for why manufacturing jobs were obliterated in the US. He was right to call out the enormous impact illegal migrants have had on wages as employers seek to exploit vulnerable people to reduce wage costs - not to mention all the social, housing, education, and crime issues that came with opening the border like Biden did. He was also right - unique among Republicans - to call out how stupid our endless wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were, which overwhelming affected the working and middle class folks who serve.

I don't like Trump. I think he's a disaster.

But what do Democrats offer?

Some obscure tax credit, and then samo samo for Wall Street and the warmongers. Plus, Democrats are all about preferential hiring for certain chosen people, which profoundly impacts whites, asians, and hispanics just trying to make a living. Throw in the refusal of Democrats to prosecute violent crime, which overwhelmingly impacts working and middle class communities. And then add all the social progressive crap - with its DEI, LatinX, CIS-whatever, Terfs, and all the other nonsense. Then finish off with Democrats making it impossible for public schools to have safe and well-run schools because "Equity."

Republicans suck. But what the WTF do Democrats do for the working and middle class?

The answer is nothing. They make day to day life for the vast majority of working and middle class folks more difficult. Can't deal with crime, schools, unfair trade, fair hiring, and they have a propensity for being enthusiastic for stupid wars.

I despise Trump and Republicans. But they are right on some things. And Democrats offer absolutely nothing. A tiny little tax credit does F all to fix America.

I am not sure why you don't think OSHA and safe working conditions, a 40 hour work week, a five day work week, a minimum wage, affordable healthcare, support for public ediucations, safe food and water, safe drugs etc are not things the Democraats have done for working Americans.

Name one thing the GOP has done for working Americans since the 1950's.

Federal minimum wage is a joke. You've never worked in a factory have you?

The GOP/MAGA just blocked the Dems federal wage increase two months ago.

Obama had all the tools he needed to fix it, index it to inflation for example. Republicans don't do minimum wage, but Trump is doing tariffs. That is something which is not insignificant. If your argument is Democrats give us Minimum wage vs Trump giving us tariffs, well did Democrats really give us a decent minimum wage? I don't think so.

Then what about everyone else that aren't in a Union and make more than a minimum wage. (Hint: I lost my job and ACA was horrible.)

They dems have been trying to raise it for decades. What are you even arguing here?

So, given that federal minimum wage is practically impossible politically (see below in the timeline when Obama had a filibuster proof majority), why do you present it as an alternative to tariffs? It really doesn't exist as an alternative.


Timeline of Obama’s Senate majority

January 2009: Obama takes office with 58 Democratic Senators (including independents Bernie Sanders & Joe Lieberman, who caucused with Democrats).

April 2009: Senator Arlen Specter switches from Republican to Democrat, bringing the caucus to 59.

July 2009: After a long recount, Al Franken (D-MN) is finally seated, giving Democrats 60 votes — the number needed to overcome a Republican filibuster.

➡️ This was the only period in Obama’s presidency with a filibuster-proof majority.

How long did it last?

The true 60-vote supermajority lasted from July 2009 to January 2010 (about six months).

It ended when Scott Brown (R-MA) won Ted Kennedy’s former seat in January 2010. After that, Democrats were back to 59 votes and could no longer reliably beat filibusters.

Why not use that window for the minimum wage?

Priorities were elsewhere

Obama and Democratic leadership used most of their political capital on the Affordable Care Act (ACA/Obamacare), economic stimulus, and financial reforms after the 2008 crash.

These were massive fights that consumed nearly all of Congress’s bandwidth.

Intraparty differences

Even with 60 Democrats, the caucus was not perfectly unified.

Conservative/centrist Democrats (like Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, and Joe Lieberman) often opposed progressive measures, especially those seen as “anti-business” during the fragile recovery.

This meant a nominal 60-vote majority didn’t always translate into 60 reliable votes.

Political calculation

Some Democratic strategists worried that pushing a federal minimum wage increase while the economy was still in deep recession (2009–2010) would open them up to criticism that it would hurt hiring.

Instead, Obama focused on minimum wage increases later in his presidency (2013–2014), but by then Republicans controlled the House and filibustered in the Senate.

✅ So technically, yes — Obama had a short period with a filibuster-proof majority.
❌ But practically, the combination of limited time, competing legislative priorities, and a split Democratic caucus meant a minimum wage hike never made it onto the must-pass agenda.

Context is important...what was happening economically for the first two years when Obama was on office? Do you think THAT was the time to raise minimum wages?

It's better to run on what Democrats will do than what Republicans won't do. There be no will for minimum wages in the Democrat camp.

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Anonymous wrote:So Xi is hosting Modi, Erdogan, and Putin in Beijing. They are looking for avenues to avoid the US economy as much as possible. They are trying to set up a new world order for the global market.

It’s called BRICS and it already exists. They are solidifying it and figuring out how to further screw the US and Trump.

It’s expanding binding recall Turkey being a pet of BRICS. Why didn’t Xi invite Brazil and south Africa