Plane crash DCA?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have time to read all of the pages but earlier on, a couple of people had pointed out that the helicopter seems to have taken off from a residential address in river oaks. I couldn’t tell if it was behind Lawton or lupine, but several of those are Saudi owned. Now it’s erased from tracking.

If you did read all the page you would know that (1) it is common for helicopters departing Langley to not turn on radar tracking until they clear Langley air space for security reasons, and (2) the address it is alleged to have "taken off from" is a small two acre lot with no helipad and it surely would have been seen and reported by others in the neighborhood.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have time to read all of the pages but earlier on, a couple of people had pointed out that the helicopter seems to have taken off from a residential address in river oaks. I couldn’t tell if it was behind Lawton or lupine, but several of those are Saudi owned. Now it’s erased from tracking.

Address is earlier in the thread - 811 Lawton. But that could just be where the system picked it up as soon as they turned on after leaving Langley.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have time to read all of the pages but earlier on, a couple of people had pointed out that the helicopter seems to have taken off from a residential address in river oaks. I couldn’t tell if it was behind Lawton or lupine, but several of those are Saudi owned. Now it’s erased from tracking.

Address is earlier in the thread - 811 Lawton. But that could just be where the system picked it up as soon as they turned on after leaving Langley.

That it picked up the signal at that specific address is certainly helpfully to the conspiracy-prone.

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Please stop with the "I haven't read any of the thread but here is my repetitive dumb thought" comments.

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Wow these videos. I know looks can be deceiving but it just looks...so intentional. How do you not notice a jet flying at you. Do Blackhawks not have windows on the side? Are there blind spots?

Plexiglass bubble, and they were way above the tree line so no excuse not to see or look slightly left at a plane lining up for runway 33.
Plus the fact that ATC told them the facts twice.

At night it can be hard to tell if a stationary light in the sky is a light on the ground, or a light from a plane traveling directly at you. I help my dad spot traffic in his plane whenever I see him, and have since I was a teen, and night flying can be tricky because of that even in clear conditions.

I can appreciate that night flying is hard but three pilots on the BH missed it?? And it wasn't like the jet came out of nowhere. BH knew they were crossing right in front of runway 33. Not one person decided they should look left, even absent ANY atc communication? If this wasn't intentional or something mechanical, it really says a lot of not so good things about our military.

Seriously. Who is promoting this nonsense?

It’s an honor and expensive to train/use to even get in a Blackhawk, let alone pilot it.

This such thoughtless balderdash.

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Wonder why Trump kept harping on being psychologically strong. His exact words:

“And there are things where you have to go by brain power. You have to go by psychological quality, and psychological quality is a very important element of it.“

You see this new video where the helo literally slams into the plane. I am NOT a conspiracy theorist at all but the fact that the pilot’s name has not been released and the video seems so intentional and Trump kept harping on psychological strength really makes me uncomfortable about what actually happened.

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Wow these videos. I know looks can be deceiving but it just looks...so intentional. How do you not notice a jet flying at you. Do Blackhawks not have windows on the side? Are there blind spots?

This looks exactly like two vehicles coming into a crossroads, neither automatically had the other in sight, neither maneuvered as if they did.

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Wow these videos. I know looks can be deceiving but it just looks...so intentional. How do you not notice a jet flying at you. Do Blackhawks not have windows on the side? Are there blind spots?

Plexiglass bubble, and they were way above the tree line so no excuse not to see or look slightly left at a plane lining up for runway 33.
Plus the fact that ATC told them the facts twice.

At night it can be hard to tell if a stationary light in the sky is a light on the ground, or a light from a plane traveling directly at you. I help my dad spot traffic in his plane whenever I see him, and have since I was a teen, and night flying can be tricky because of that even in clear conditions.

This explanation is very unsettling to those of us who are not pilots and do not work in aviation.

"It's hard to see things that are right in front of you while flying at night" is never going to satisfy anyone for an explanation for this crash.

I can see how city lights and lights in the sky from a moving plane blur together and become hard to distinguish….but still. I just cannot wrap my head around these are Black Hawk pilots! The are supposed to be the best and highly trained at flying in all sorts of difficult conditions and especially having had extra training to be flying around in DC with VIPs. Then to have such a huge and obvious error happen, despite all their training, ATC warnings, three people on board, and the plane technologies, is so hard to wrap my head around

I don’t get it either.

All the fighter pilots I know on the Air Force side and Navy side are OCD about triple preparing and checking things whilst flying.

And then check their own jets outside and gauge mechanicals after the others check it.

They are also trained to repeat back directives and clarify things, then do them. OODA loop.

If they got two instructions on the same thing (do you see CRJ coming to R33?), they wouldn’t be flippantly saying yes, they’d run all the 360 checks again.

But some fighters don’t work in a 3-4 person flying team like a BH does. So that BS of “someone else will check, but no one does,” doesn’t rear its head.
Now I could see them all checking and wanting to point out errors or course corrections; that’s their nature. Fix it and nail it in one times

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So some of you think it's MORE believable that the Helo pilots were homicidal/suicidal rather than merely undertrained/improperly focused on their job?

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Anonymous wrote:One thing about the video is that it's easy to understand why the plane might have missed the helicopter altogether. Maybe more visible if you are looking at it head on (maybe?) but on the video the Black hawk is, as designed, fairly invisible against the night sky.

Yes, I believe the plane was totally unaware. I’d be surprised if there is anything at all on the jet’s black box. It’s probably mundane talk about what their plans are after landing.

Doubt it. It’s intense flying around DC at night. Talking about instrumentals, gauges, speed, alt, DCA.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing about the video is that it's easy to understand why the plane might have missed the helicopter altogether. Maybe more visible if you are looking at it head on (maybe?) but on the video the Black hawk is, as designed, fairly invisible against the night sky.

Yes, I believe the plane was totally unaware. I’d be surprised if there is anything at all on the jet’s black box. It’s probably mundane talk about what their plans are after landing.

Sorry yes the CRJ was doing business as usual.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is belligerent even with the easiest questions:

“Trump said he would meet with some of the families affected by the crash. Asked by reporters whether he would visit the collision site, Trump responded: “What’s the site? The water? You want me to go swimming? I don’t have a plan to do that, but I will be meeting with some people that were very badly hurt — with their family member, obviously.””

—WaPo

Can’t believe someone was dumb enough to actually ask him to visit the collision site. He should’ve said oh You mean in the middle of the sky?

Don't be obtuse. What do you think people mean when they talk about any accident site? How about for the Twin Towers? Are you going to crack a joke about how you can't because the building isn't there anymore? Your'e about as funny as Trump.

It’s not obtuse. If reporters want to be treated as professionals, they need to not ask stupid questions. I was called out for asking a similarly stupid question when I was taking a journalism class in college right after 9/11. I’m grateful I learned that lesson at age 20. Clearly this reporter didn’t.

That’s right, you’re an expert because you took a journalism class 25 years ago! Has the White House press secretary reached out yet to have you screen questions?

I didn’t mean to imply I’m an expert—sorry if I did. I have never worked as a journalist. I am in no way affiliated with the White House. No, I have not been contacted by the current or any former White House press secretaries on any matter—I apologize for giving that impression. I meant to say that I was taught to consider my questions before asking them. I thought that was a valid lesson in a college journalism course, not something that needed to wait to be taught until a journalist is questioning the president.

Will you be going to the crash site to pay your respects: how is that not a completely ordinary, expected, and even softball question. The answer should have been: yes, I will be going to the crash site to console the families and to thank the first responders as soon as doing so will not impede the recovery efforts. Had he said that, no one would be talking about his actual response. I’ve never taken a journalism class and have no political training but can easily determine this is the right Q&A. Stop defending him. Stop gaslighting that the reporter’s question was the problem.

I am defending his response. I’m not gaslighting anything—I am stating clearly I think the reporter’s question was stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So some of you think it's MORE believable that the Helo pilots were homicidal/suicidal rather than merely undertrained/improperly focused on their job?

I think it’s just hard to get your head around how three people on a military helicopter in a very busy airspace can miss an aircraft. It’s not a sightseeing flight where people would be ogling the Lincoln memorial. I don’t think people are assuming anything, it’s just hard to get your head around it these people making this mistake in this airspace.

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I wonder why the names of the helo pilots are not released while the other plane's pilots were.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So some of you think it's MORE believable that the Helo pilots were homicidal/suicidal rather than merely undertrained/improperly focused on their job?

Well, considering ATC literally told them about the plane, they acknowledged it, they were told to fly behind it, the plane was flying on an expected route to the well known runway path that crossed with helicopter’s route.
and it was quite literally in front of the helicopter- it don’t think being intentional can be ruled out