When is the plan for new HS programs coming out?

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Anonymous wrote:ETA: and the Blair and RM parents who are complaining about the quality of the program declining if it becomes regional are horrible snobs. Your gifted kid can learn with other gifted local kids! They don’t have to be with only gifted kids from all around the whole county! Give me a break. So snobby!

Is MOP snobby?



The quality of the program would definitely decline if, instead of taking top 100 kids it took the top 1000. It’s already a very tough, challenging program that only the top third or so truly excel in. Expanding without reducing the standards will just set some kids up for failure or more likely dilute the program.


You're assuming that the 100 kids in the program are the top and would forever be. You are also assume there is not another 900 kids who could/would succeed in such program if the seats and program structure were available.


DP - yes. I don't really understand the elitist attitude at all. My children are younger, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but I always hear that MCPS is great if you can take full advantage of the magnets. But then that's a major caveat, because middle school magnets are lottery based and high school magnets are very, very selective. We should be serving more qualified children.

For the parents who are endorsing the Blair magnet and the RM IB program (for example) as they are, is it because your kids already got in? Or are you really not worried about your younger children making the cut? I am a little baffled.


Maybe they need to build more magnets but not restrict by regions. So a magnet won’t be just selecting students from 5 high schools. That certainly dilutes the magnet program cohorts.


There are plenty of students in each region to support programs. The deck even showed this.


What did the deck show about this? -DP


That there are students in all the regions with high GPAs and involved in specialized programs. There is also reporting done each year to show that there are kids in alls schools taking advance classes. So quit it with your chicken little mentality or scarcity mentality.


Another DP. While there may be plenty of students in each region to support programs, are there plenty of program seats in each region to support students? That would be the more important question.

And while there are kids in all schools taking advanced classes, there clearly have not been the same breadth and levels of advanced classes available at all schools for students to take. Again, the latter bit is the much more important point, but one that MCPS typically would hide by using the wording of the former.

The scarcity claims are valid unless MCPS can show that, on an individual basis, the options for school attendance (magnet, consortia, in-bounds school or some other) and program/class availability that reasonably might be expected (not just possible) are

roughly equivalent no matter where one lives

and

consistent with the academic need of said individual.


There are kids at all schools capable but not all kids are taking advanced classes as the schools don’t offer them. They try to force the kids to Mc. Of course pre one BOE member works there and her job is liaison to MCPS so huge conflict of interest.
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Anonymous wrote:Einstein should be by Woodward and WJ.


That makes no sense. Einstein is close to Wheaton, Woodward, Blair.
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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure these are the regions:

BCC
Blair
Einstein
Northwood
Whitman

Churchill
WJ
Wheaton
Woodward

Crown
Gaithersburg
Northwest
Seneca Valley
Watkins Mill

Blake
Paint Branch
Springwood
Sherwood

Kennedy
Magruder
RM
Rockville
Wootton

Clarksburg
Damascus
Poolesville
QO


I saw the document before it was taken down and this matches it. BUT don’t forget this could change. Unlikely but possible. And also, don’t forget that many of us do not know what our zoned option even is yet. Depending on how the boundary study shakes out I’d be in different regions.

In the document it said that some programs would be criteria based and others interest based, as they are now. There was no mention of a lottery and the poster who assumed that could not have based it on anything. I am not positive but I think something in the document referred to sorting out admissions criteria and process. Obviously they will need to figure that out, and will it be done by each individual program as it is now, or centrally?

I personally think they are potentially overestimating how many students want to enter a special program for high school. I think the allure of some of the top programs right now is cohort and established excellence, not the narrow focus or specialty itself. I agree with the PP who said lumping this together with the boundary study is muddying a lot of details. I’m concerned they are going to scale up a lot of these programs in places where they will either be over or under subscribed because people haven’t sorted whether their zoned option suits their needs. It’s also hard to know as an 8th grader what high school courses or pathways you will want or need and very little help is given to families to plan this out at all.
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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure these are the regions:

BCC
Blair
Einstein
Northwood
Whitman

Churchill
WJ
Wheaton
Woodward

Crown
Gaithersburg
Northwest
Seneca Valley
Watkins Mill

Blake
Paint Branch
Springwood
Sherwood

Kennedy
Magruder
RM
Rockville
Wootton

Clarksburg
Damascus
Poolesville
QO


I saw the document before it was taken down and this matches it. BUT don’t forget this could change. Unlikely but possible. And also, don’t forget that many of us do not know what our zoned option even is yet. Depending on how the boundary study shakes out I’d be in different regions.

In the document it said that some programs would be criteria based and others interest based, as they are now. There was no mention of a lottery and the poster who assumed that could not have based it on anything. I am not positive but I think something in the document referred to sorting out admissions criteria and process. Obviously they will need to figure that out, and will it be done by each individual program as it is now, or centrally?

I personally think they are potentially overestimating how many students want to enter a special program for high school. I think the allure of some of the top programs right now is cohort and established excellence, not the narrow focus or specialty itself. I agree with the PP who said lumping this together with the boundary study is muddying a lot of details. I’m concerned they are going to scale up a lot of these programs in places where they will either be over or under subscribed because people haven’t sorted whether their zoned option suits their needs. It’s also hard to know as an 8th grader what high school courses or pathways you will want or need and very little help is given to families to plan this out at all.


While many students are interested in attending established programs like Blair SMAC, Poolesville SMAC, or RM IB due to their strong reputations and academic rigor, that doesn’t mean they would be equally eager to enroll in a brand-new SMAC or IB program in a different region. New programs come with uncertainty and unproven track records, which pose significant risks for students making important educational decisions. Instead of expanding opportunities, this approach may actually limit these students’ chances to attend the established programs they aspire to , effectively taking away options rather than creating them.
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Anonymous wrote:ETA: and the Blair and RM parents who are complaining about the quality of the program declining if it becomes regional are horrible snobs. Your gifted kid can learn with other gifted local kids! They don’t have to be with only gifted kids from all around the whole county! Give me a break. So snobby!

Is MOP snobby?



The quality of the program would definitely decline if, instead of taking top 100 kids it took the top 1000. It’s already a very tough, challenging program that only the top third or so truly excel in. Expanding without reducing the standards will just set some kids up for failure or more likely dilute the program.


You're assuming that the 100 kids in the program are the top and would forever be. You are also assume there is not another 900 kids who could/would succeed in such program if the seats and program structure were available.


DP - yes. I don't really understand the elitist attitude at all. My children are younger, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but I always hear that MCPS is great if you can take full advantage of the magnets. But then that's a major caveat, because middle school magnets are lottery based and high school magnets are very, very selective. We should be serving more qualified children.

For the parents who are endorsing the Blair magnet and the RM IB program (for example) as they are, is it because your kids already got in? Or are you really not worried about your younger children making the cut? I am a little baffled.


Maybe they need to build more magnets but not restrict by regions. So a magnet won’t be just selecting students from 5 high schools. That certainly dilutes the magnet program cohorts.


There are plenty of students in each region to support programs. The deck even showed this.


What did the deck show about this? -DP


That there are students in all the regions with high GPAs and involved in specialized programs. There is also reporting done each year to show that there are kids in alls schools taking advance classes. So quit it with your chicken little mentality or scarcity mentality.


Another DP. While there may be plenty of students in each region to support programs, are there plenty of program seats in each region to support students? That would be the more important question.

And while there are kids in all schools taking advanced classes, there clearly have not been the same breadth and levels of advanced classes available at all schools for students to take. Again, the latter bit is the much more important point, but one that MCPS typically would hide by using the wording of the former.

The scarcity claims are valid unless MCPS can show that, on an individual basis, the options for school attendance (magnet, consortia, in-bounds school or some other) and program/class availability that reasonably might be expected (not just possible) are

roughly equivalent no matter where one lives

and

consistent with the academic need of said individual.


There are kids at all schools capable but not all kids are taking advanced classes as the schools don’t offer them. They try to force the kids to Mc. Of course pre one BOE member works there and her job is liaison to MCPS so huge conflict of interest.


That's part of the point. Telling them to go to MC to access coursework available elsewhere in situ would not be providing that rough/reasonable equivalence of educational experience.
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Anonymous wrote:Thinking about this region, here are the programs I know about.

BCC - IB, PLTW
Blair - SMACS, CAP
Einstein - IB
Northwood
Whitman - Social Justice

Are there any other programs I am missing? Does Northwood have a program?

If not - my guess is that Einstein loses IB, BCC loses PLTW, and Blair loses CAP. Then PLTW and CAP move to Northwood/Einstein.


Northwood has MC2, ROTC. Einstein has the VAC program (which is actually county-wide). Don't all schools have PLTW--isn't it just an online thing?


No PLTW is a series of engineering classes. It includes an exam that can provide college credit at certain schools. https://www.pltw.org/

So maybe B-CC keeps PLTW, Northwood keeps its programs, and Einstein takes CAP. I can’t imagine Einstein keeping its IB program.



Huh? Why not?



Because they will only have one in each cluster, and BCC’s is much stronger.


Does it say this somewhere, or you are assuming something?


That’s what they have said in the presentations to the Board so far.


But IB hasn't been mentioned in that way. It's been mentioned alongside AP as a type of advanced level classes that would be available at every school.


No IB will not be at every school. They are saying that if IB is available at a school, then the same AP class amy NOT be available. There will be (at most) one IB diploma program per reguon.


They have not said that at all. Please don't spread misinformation.


They have not said what?

They have definitely said that not all AP classes are available at school wuth IB. There is only so much demand. People who want all AP classes might do better to go to a non-IB school.


What they have not said: "There will be (at most) one IB diploma program per region."

They have never indicated that schools with a local IB program would lose those programs.


The programs analysis covers local, regional, and countywide programs.The programs will now all be regional. They don’t want two IB programs in a region. That’s inefficient, expensive, and unnecessary. And it also makes it difficult to offer IB programs in regions that don’t have one now, because it’s difficult to train teachers to provide high-quality IB classes. The teachers from schools that lose IB can then be shifted to schools that gain IB in other regions, presuming that they still want to teach IB.

This just illustrates what a bad job MCPS has done communicating about the programs analysis.


Please stop spreading misinformation. I just watched the most recent meeting, and in fact they explicitly discussed this point, saying that there could continue to be countywide and local programs as well as the regional ones.


Where did you see this clarification? I watched the May 22 BOE meeting all the way through, didn't hear a single word about this point. I didn't watch the June 10th meeting but this was not on the meeting agenda. Did they actually discuss about the special programs on June 10th meeting? If you could possibly find the link and point out which timestamp, it would be super informative!
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Anonymous wrote:Einstein should be by Woodward and WJ.


That makes no sense. Einstein is close to Wheaton, Woodward, Blair.


And Northwood (closer than Blair). And WJ is a half mile farther than Woodward.

But it can't be about the proximity of just one school, and it would be better to look at the proximity of the catchments instead of the proximity of the school buildings, themselves, planning for transportation, etc. They have to cobble together groups of 4-5 schools across the whole system, so instead of saying school A really belongs with much closer schools B/C/D, we'd need to paint a whole picture of how all the groupings would shake out with that change. That would have to consider capacity and probably diversity priorities in addition to proximity, presuming continuity would be somewhat built in.
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Anonymous wrote:Thinking about this region, here are the programs I know about.

BCC - IB, PLTW
Blair - SMACS, CAP
Einstein - IB
Northwood
Whitman - Social Justice

Are there any other programs I am missing? Does Northwood have a program?

If not - my guess is that Einstein loses IB, BCC loses PLTW, and Blair loses CAP. Then PLTW and CAP move to Northwood/Einstein.


Northwood has MC2, ROTC. Einstein has the VAC program (which is actually county-wide). Don't all schools have PLTW--isn't it just an online thing?


No PLTW is a series of engineering classes. It includes an exam that can provide college credit at certain schools. https://www.pltw.org/

So maybe B-CC keeps PLTW, Northwood keeps its programs, and Einstein takes CAP. I can’t imagine Einstein keeping its IB program.



Huh? Why not?



Because they will only have one in each cluster, and BCC’s is much stronger.


Does it say this somewhere, or you are assuming something?


That’s what they have said in the presentations to the Board so far.


But IB hasn't been mentioned in that way. It's been mentioned alongside AP as a type of advanced level classes that would be available at every school.


No IB will not be at every school. They are saying that if IB is available at a school, then the same AP class amy NOT be available. There will be (at most) one IB diploma program per reguon.


They have not said that at all. Please don't spread misinformation.


They have not said what?

They have definitely said that not all AP classes are available at school wuth IB. There is only so much demand. People who want all AP classes might do better to go to a non-IB school.


What they have not said: "There will be (at most) one IB diploma program per region."

They have never indicated that schools with a local IB program would lose those programs.


The programs analysis covers local, regional, and countywide programs.The programs will now all be regional. They don’t want two IB programs in a region. That’s inefficient, expensive, and unnecessary. And it also makes it difficult to offer IB programs in regions that don’t have one now, because it’s difficult to train teachers to provide high-quality IB classes. The teachers from schools that lose IB can then be shifted to schools that gain IB in other regions, presuming that they still want to teach IB.

This just illustrates what a bad job MCPS has done communicating about the programs analysis.


Please stop spreading misinformation. I just watched the most recent meeting, and in fact they explicitly discussed this point, saying that there could continue to be countywide and local programs as well as the regional ones.


Where did you see this clarification? I watched the May 22 BOE meeting all the way through, didn't hear a single word about this point. I didn't watch the June 10th meeting but this was not on the meeting agenda. Did they actually discuss about the special programs on June 10th meeting? If you could possibly find the link and point out which timestamp, it would be super informative!


DP. I don't have a timestamp for you, but i recall seeing or hearing that, either in the verbal presentation or in the slide deck (I'd start with the deck).
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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure these are the regions:

BCC
Blair
Einstein
Northwood
Whitman

Churchill
WJ
Wheaton
Woodward

Crown
Gaithersburg
Northwest
Seneca Valley
Watkins Mill

Blake
Paint Branch
Springwood
Sherwood

Kennedy
Magruder
RM
Rockville
Wootton

Clarksburg
Damascus
Poolesville
QO


I saw the document before it was taken down and this matches it. BUT don’t forget this could change. Unlikely but possible. And also, don’t forget that many of us do not know what our zoned option even is yet. Depending on how the boundary study shakes out I’d be in different regions.

In the document it said that some programs would be criteria based and others interest based, as they are now. There was no mention of a lottery and the poster who assumed that could not have based it on anything. I am not positive but I think something in the document referred to sorting out admissions criteria and process. Obviously they will need to figure that out, and will it be done by each individual program as it is now, or centrally?

I personally think they are potentially overestimating how many students want to enter a special program for high school. I think the allure of some of the top programs right now is cohort and established excellence, not the narrow focus or specialty itself. I agree with the PP who said lumping this together with the boundary study is muddying a lot of details. I’m concerned they are going to scale up a lot of these programs in places where they will either be over or under subscribed because people haven’t sorted whether their zoned option suits their needs. It’s also hard to know as an 8th grader what high school courses or pathways you will want or need and very little help is given to families to plan this out at all.


This is a very good point. My child ended up sort of specializing in high school by choosing electives centered around their interest. The interest is so strong they want to continue in college. But neither child nor us would have picked that in grade 8. What helped was a solid all around high school with lots of elective choices and room to explore and then specialize later.
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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure these are the regions:

BCC
Blair
Einstein
Northwood
Whitman

Churchill
WJ
Wheaton
Woodward

Crown
Gaithersburg
Northwest
Seneca Valley
Watkins Mill

Blake
Paint Branch
Springwood
Sherwood

Kennedy
Magruder
RM
Rockville
Wootton

Clarksburg
Damascus
Poolesville
QO


I saw the document before it was taken down and this matches it. BUT don’t forget this could change. Unlikely but possible. And also, don’t forget that many of us do not know what our zoned option even is yet. Depending on how the boundary study shakes out I’d be in different regions.

In the document it said that some programs would be criteria based and others interest based, as they are now. There was no mention of a lottery and the poster who assumed that could not have based it on anything. I am not positive but I think something in the document referred to sorting out admissions criteria and process. Obviously they will need to figure that out, and will it be done by each individual program as it is now, or centrally?

I personally think they are potentially overestimating how many students want to enter a special program for high school. I think the allure of some of the top programs right now is cohort and established excellence, not the narrow focus or specialty itself. I agree with the PP who said lumping this together with the boundary study is muddying a lot of details. I’m concerned they are going to scale up a lot of these programs in places where they will either be over or under subscribed because people haven’t sorted whether their zoned option suits their needs. It’s also hard to know as an 8th grader what high school courses or pathways you will want or need and very little help is given to families to plan this out at all.


If they didn't do them together, it would undermine the effectiveness of any planned boundary change.

They definitely need to ensure program capacity capable of meeting the expected need of the student population in each region. That likely is among the reasons they have to ensure some economic diversity in each region. I think that plays to an improper narrative regarding the relationship of economic status to student ability, but correcting that may take a much longer time, filtering through communities over the whole of a student's educational experience and only ever approaching rectification in a best-we-can-do-given-resourcing/logistics/edge-case-difficulty manner.
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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure these are the regions:

BCC
Blair
Einstein
Northwood
Whitman

Churchill
WJ
Wheaton
Woodward

Crown
Gaithersburg
Northwest
Seneca Valley
Watkins Mill

Blake
Paint Branch
Springwood
Sherwood

Kennedy
Magruder
RM
Rockville
Wootton

Clarksburg
Damascus
Poolesville
QO


I saw the document before it was taken down and this matches it. BUT don’t forget this could change. Unlikely but possible. And also, don’t forget that many of us do not know what our zoned option even is yet. Depending on how the boundary study shakes out I’d be in different regions.

In the document it said that some programs would be criteria based and others interest based, as they are now. There was no mention of a lottery and the poster who assumed that could not have based it on anything. I am not positive but I think something in the document referred to sorting out admissions criteria and process. Obviously they will need to figure that out, and will it be done by each individual program as it is now, or centrally?

I personally think they are potentially overestimating how many students want to enter a special program for high school. I think the allure of some of the top programs right now is cohort and established excellence, not the narrow focus or specialty itself. I agree with the PP who said lumping this together with the boundary study is muddying a lot of details. I’m concerned they are going to scale up a lot of these programs in places where they will either be over or under subscribed because people haven’t sorted whether their zoned option suits their needs. It’s also hard to know as an 8th grader what high school courses or pathways you will want or need and very little help is given to families to plan this out at all.


While many students are interested in attending established programs like Blair SMAC, Poolesville SMAC, or RM IB due to their strong reputations and academic rigor, that doesn’t mean they would be equally eager to enroll in a brand-new SMAC or IB program in a different region. New programs come with uncertainty and unproven track records, which pose significant risks for students making important educational decisions. Instead of expanding opportunities, this approach may actually limit these students’ chances to attend the established programs they aspire to , effectively taking away options rather than creating them.


Indeed. It would be a disservice to implement this without robust and equivalent programs across the regions.
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Anonymous wrote:ETA: and the Blair and RM parents who are complaining about the quality of the program declining if it becomes regional are horrible snobs. Your gifted kid can learn with other gifted local kids! They don’t have to be with only gifted kids from all around the whole county! Give me a break. So snobby!

Is MOP snobby?



The quality of the program would definitely decline if, instead of taking top 100 kids it took the top 1000. It’s already a very tough, challenging program that only the top third or so truly excel in. Expanding without reducing the standards will just set some kids up for failure or more likely dilute the program.


You're assuming that the 100 kids in the program are the top and would forever be. You are also assume there is not another 900 kids who could/would succeed in such program if the seats and program structure were available.


DP - yes. I don't really understand the elitist attitude at all. My children are younger, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but I always hear that MCPS is great if you can take full advantage of the magnets. But then that's a major caveat, because middle school magnets are lottery based and high school magnets are very, very selective. We should be serving more qualified children.

For the parents who are endorsing the Blair magnet and the RM IB program (for example) as they are, is it because your kids already got in? Or are you really not worried about your younger children making the cut? I am a little baffled.


Maybe they need to build more magnets but not restrict by regions. So a magnet won’t be just selecting students from 5 high schools. That certainly dilutes the magnet program cohorts.


There are plenty of students in each region to support programs. The deck even showed this.


What did the deck show about this? -DP


That there are students in all the regions with high GPAs and involved in specialized programs. There is also reporting done each year to show that there are kids in alls schools taking advance classes. So quit it with your chicken little mentality or scarcity mentality.


Another DP. While there may be plenty of students in each region to support programs, are there plenty of program seats in each region to support students? That would be the more important question.

And while there are kids in all schools taking advanced classes, there clearly have not been the same breadth and levels of advanced classes available at all schools for students to take. Again, the latter bit is the much more important point, but one that MCPS typically would hide by using the wording of the former.

The scarcity claims are valid unless MCPS can show that, on an individual basis, the options for school attendance (magnet, consortia, in-bounds school or some other) and program/class availability that reasonably might be expected (not just possible) are

roughly equivalent no matter where one lives

and

consistent with the academic need of said individual.


There are kids at all schools capable but not all kids are taking advanced classes as the schools don’t offer them. They try to force the kids to Mc. Of course pre one BOE member works there and her job is liaison to MCPS so huge conflict of interest.


Which school are you talking about? Einstein has AP Bio, AP Chem, APES, AP Phys, AP Calc BC, AP Stats, AP Lang, AP Lit, AP Gov, AP USH, AP World…. That seems like advanced classes to me. No multivariable that is true but saying a school doesn’t offer advanced classes when it offers all these plus IB is not true. Do you mean a different school?
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Anonymous wrote:ETA: and the Blair and RM parents who are complaining about the quality of the program declining if it becomes regional are horrible snobs. Your gifted kid can learn with other gifted local kids! They don’t have to be with only gifted kids from all around the whole county! Give me a break. So snobby!

Is MOP snobby?



The quality of the program would definitely decline if, instead of taking top 100 kids it took the top 1000. It’s already a very tough, challenging program that only the top third or so truly excel in. Expanding without reducing the standards will just set some kids up for failure or more likely dilute the program.


You're assuming that the 100 kids in the program are the top and would forever be. You are also assume there is not another 900 kids who could/would succeed in such program if the seats and program structure were available.


DP - yes. I don't really understand the elitist attitude at all. My children are younger, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but I always hear that MCPS is great if you can take full advantage of the magnets. But then that's a major caveat, because middle school magnets are lottery based and high school magnets are very, very selective. We should be serving more qualified children.

For the parents who are endorsing the Blair magnet and the RM IB program (for example) as they are, is it because your kids already got in? Or are you really not worried about your younger children making the cut? I am a little baffled.


Maybe they need to build more magnets but not restrict by regions. So a magnet won’t be just selecting students from 5 high schools. That certainly dilutes the magnet program cohorts.


There are plenty of students in each region to support programs. The deck even showed this.


What did the deck show about this? -DP


That there are students in all the regions with high GPAs and involved in specialized programs. There is also reporting done each year to show that there are kids in alls schools taking advance classes. So quit it with your chicken little mentality or scarcity mentality.


Another DP. While there may be plenty of students in each region to support programs, are there plenty of program seats in each region to support students? That would be the more important question.

And while there are kids in all schools taking advanced classes, there clearly have not been the same breadth and levels of advanced classes available at all schools for students to take. Again, the latter bit is the much more important point, but one that MCPS typically would hide by using the wording of the former.

The scarcity claims are valid unless MCPS can show that, on an individual basis, the options for school attendance (magnet, consortia, in-bounds school or some other) and program/class availability that reasonably might be expected (not just possible) are

roughly equivalent no matter where one lives

and

consistent with the academic need of said individual.


There are kids at all schools capable but not all kids are taking advanced classes as the schools don’t offer them. They try to force the kids to Mc. Of course pre one BOE member works there and her job is liaison to MCPS so huge conflict of interest.


Which school are you talking about? Einstein has AP Bio, AP Chem, APES, AP Phys, AP Calc BC, AP Stats, AP Lang, AP Lit, AP Gov, AP USH, AP World…. That seems like advanced classes to me. No multivariable that is true but saying a school doesn’t offer advanced classes when it offers all these plus IB is not true. Do you mean a different school?


There is no ap bio or chem. There is no multi variable or linear algebra. There are zero science ap. Two science teachers left this year.
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Anonymous wrote:ETA: and the Blair and RM parents who are complaining about the quality of the program declining if it becomes regional are horrible snobs. Your gifted kid can learn with other gifted local kids! They don’t have to be with only gifted kids from all around the whole county! Give me a break. So snobby!

Is MOP snobby?



The quality of the program would definitely decline if, instead of taking top 100 kids it took the top 1000. It’s already a very tough, challenging program that only the top third or so truly excel in. Expanding without reducing the standards will just set some kids up for failure or more likely dilute the program.


You're assuming that the 100 kids in the program are the top and would forever be. You are also assume there is not another 900 kids who could/would succeed in such program if the seats and program structure were available.


DP - yes. I don't really understand the elitist attitude at all. My children are younger, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but I always hear that MCPS is great if you can take full advantage of the magnets. But then that's a major caveat, because middle school magnets are lottery based and high school magnets are very, very selective. We should be serving more qualified children.

For the parents who are endorsing the Blair magnet and the RM IB program (for example) as they are, is it because your kids already got in? Or are you really not worried about your younger children making the cut? I am a little baffled.


Maybe they need to build more magnets but not restrict by regions. So a magnet won’t be just selecting students from 5 high schools. That certainly dilutes the magnet program cohorts.


There are plenty of students in each region to support programs. The deck even showed this.


What did the deck show about this? -DP


That there are students in all the regions with high GPAs and involved in specialized programs. There is also reporting done each year to show that there are kids in alls schools taking advance classes. So quit it with your chicken little mentality or scarcity mentality.


Another DP. While there may be plenty of students in each region to support programs, are there plenty of program seats in each region to support students? That would be the more important question.

And while there are kids in all schools taking advanced classes, there clearly have not been the same breadth and levels of advanced classes available at all schools for students to take. Again, the latter bit is the much more important point, but one that MCPS typically would hide by using the wording of the former.

The scarcity claims are valid unless MCPS can show that, on an individual basis, the options for school attendance (magnet, consortia, in-bounds school or some other) and program/class availability that reasonably might be expected (not just possible) are

roughly equivalent no matter where one lives

and

consistent with the academic need of said individual.


There are kids at all schools capable but not all kids are taking advanced classes as the schools don’t offer them. They try to force the kids to Mc. Of course pre one BOE member works there and her job is liaison to MCPS so huge conflict of interest.


Which school are you talking about? Einstein has AP Bio, AP Chem, APES, AP Phys, AP Calc BC, AP Stats, AP Lang, AP Lit, AP Gov, AP USH, AP World…. That seems like advanced classes to me. No multivariable that is true but saying a school doesn’t offer advanced classes when it offers all these plus IB is not true. Do you mean a different school?


There is no ap bio or chem. There is no multi variable or linear algebra. There are zero science ap. Two science teachers left this year.


Which school?
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure these are the regions:

BCC
Blair
Einstein
Northwood
Whitman

Churchill
WJ
Wheaton
Woodward

Crown
Gaithersburg
Northwest
Seneca Valley
Watkins Mill

Blake
Paint Branch
Springwood
Sherwood

Kennedy
Magruder
RM
Rockville
Wootton

Clarksburg
Damascus
Poolesville
QO


I saw the document before it was taken down and this matches it. BUT don’t forget this could change. Unlikely but possible. And also, don’t forget that many of us do not know what our zoned option even is yet. Depending on how the boundary study shakes out I’d be in different regions.

In the document it said that some programs would be criteria based and others interest based, as they are now. There was no mention of a lottery and the poster who assumed that could not have based it on anything. I am not positive but I think something in the document referred to sorting out admissions criteria and process. Obviously they will need to figure that out, and will it be done by each individual program as it is now, or centrally?

I personally think they are potentially overestimating how many students want to enter a special program for high school. I think the allure of some of the top programs right now is cohort and established excellence, not the narrow focus or specialty itself. I agree with the PP who said lumping this together with the boundary study is muddying a lot of details. I’m concerned they are going to scale up a lot of these programs in places where they will either be over or under subscribed because people haven’t sorted whether their zoned option suits their needs. It’s also hard to know as an 8th grader what high school courses or pathways you will want or need and very little help is given to families to plan this out at all.


While many students are interested in attending established programs like Blair SMAC, Poolesville SMAC, or RM IB due to their strong reputations and academic rigor, that doesn’t mean they would be equally eager to enroll in a brand-new SMAC or IB program in a different region. New programs come with uncertainty and unproven track records, which pose significant risks for students making important educational decisions. Instead of expanding opportunities, this approach may actually limit these students’ chances to attend the established programs they aspire to , effectively taking away options rather than creating them.


That would be a personal choice of that student then. They can attend the new program or don’t. Having the special programs is not guaranteed when going to public school. Not expanding programs because some students are afraid of change and this denying other students the possibility of opportunity doesn’t make sense.
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