When is the plan for new HS programs coming out?

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Anonymous wrote:Thinking about this region, here are the programs I know about.

BCC - IB, PLTW
Blair - SMACS, CAP
Einstein - IB
Northwood
Whitman - Social Justice

Are there any other programs I am missing? Does Northwood have a program?

If not - my guess is that Einstein loses IB, BCC loses PLTW, and Blair loses CAP. Then PLTW and CAP move to Northwood/Einstein.

Northwood has MC2, ROTC. Einstein has the VAC program (which is actually county-wide). Don't all schools have PLTW--isn't it just an online thing?

No PLTW is a series of engineering classes. It includes an exam that can provide college credit at certain schools. https://www.pltw.org/

So maybe B-CC keeps PLTW, Northwood keeps its programs, and Einstein takes CAP. I can’t imagine Einstein keeping its IB program.

Huh? Why not?

Because they will only have one in each cluster, and BCC’s is much stronger.

Does it say this somewhere, or you are assuming something?

That’s what they have said in the presentations to the Board so far.

But IB hasn't been mentioned in that way. It's been mentioned alongside AP as a type of advanced level classes that would be available at every school.

No IB will not be at every school. They are saying that if IB is available at a school, then the same AP class amy NOT be available. There will be (at most) one IB diploma program per reguon.

They have not said that at all. Please don't spread misinformation.

They have not said what?

They have definitely said that not all AP classes are available at school wuth IB. There is only so much demand. People who want all AP classes might do better to go to a non-IB school.

What they have not said: "There will be (at most) one IB diploma program per region."

They have never indicated that schools with a local IB program would lose those programs.

The programs analysis covers local, regional, and countywide programs.The programs will now all be regional. They don’t want two IB programs in a region. That’s inefficient, expensive, and unnecessary. And it also makes it difficult to offer IB programs in regions that don’t have one now, because it’s difficult to train teachers to provide high-quality IB classes. The teachers from schools that lose IB can then be shifted to schools that gain IB in other regions, presuming that they still want to teach IB.

This just illustrates what a bad job MCPS has done communicating about the programs analysis.

Please stop spreading misinformation. I just watched the most recent meeting, and in fact they explicitly discussed this point, saying that there could continue to be countywide and local programs as well as the regional ones.

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Anonymous wrote:Thinking about this region, here are the programs I know about.

BCC - IB, PLTW
Blair - SMACS, CAP
Einstein - IB
Northwood
Whitman - Social Justice

Are there any other programs I am missing? Does Northwood have a program?

If not - my guess is that Einstein loses IB, BCC loses PLTW, and Blair loses CAP. Then PLTW and CAP move to Northwood/Einstein.

Northwood has MC2, ROTC. Einstein has the VAC program (which is actually county-wide). Don't all schools have PLTW--isn't it just an online thing?

No PLTW is a series of engineering classes. It includes an exam that can provide college credit at certain schools. https://www.pltw.org/

So maybe B-CC keeps PLTW, Northwood keeps its programs, and Einstein takes CAP. I can’t imagine Einstein keeping its IB program.

Huh? Why not?

Because they will only have one in each cluster, and BCC’s is much stronger.

Does it say this somewhere, or you are assuming something?

That’s what they have said in the presentations to the Board so far.

But IB hasn't been mentioned in that way. It's been mentioned alongside AP as a type of advanced level classes that would be available at every school.

No IB will not be at every school. They are saying that if IB is available at a school, then the same AP class amy NOT be available. There will be (at most) one IB diploma program per reguon.

They have not said that at all. Please don't spread misinformation.

They have not said what?

They have definitely said that not all AP classes are available at school wuth IB. There is only so much demand. People who want all AP classes might do better to go to a non-IB school.

What they have not said: "There will be (at most) one IB diploma program per region."

They have never indicated that schools with a local IB program would lose those programs.

They have not said what program(s) will be at any given HS and they’re not going to say on Tuesday. They’re going to present the proposed model, offer some data to support, talk about what they saw from survey results and supposed conversations with partners. Take questions.

If you have additional questions or concerns following that I would suggest you send them to your BOE representative and CC the folks presenting to the board.

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Anonymous wrote:ETA: and the Blair and RM parents who are complaining about the quality of the program declining if it becomes regional are horrible snobs. Your gifted kid can learn with other gifted local kids! They don’t have to be with only gifted kids from all around the whole county! Give me a break. So snobby!

Is MOP snobby?

The quality of the program would definitely decline if, instead of taking top 100 kids it took the top 1000. It’s already a very tough, challenging program that only the top third or so truly excel in. Expanding without reducing the standards will just set some kids up for failure or more likely dilute the program.

You're assuming that the 100 kids in the program are the top and would forever be. You are also assume there is not another 900 kids who could/would succeed in such program if the seats and program structure were available.

DP - yes. I don't really understand the elitist attitude at all. My children are younger, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but I always hear that MCPS is great if you can take full advantage of the magnets. But then that's a major caveat, because middle school magnets are lottery based and high school magnets are very, very selective. We should be serving more qualified children.

For the parents who are endorsing the Blair magnet and the RM IB program (for example) as they are, is it because your kids already got in? Or are you really not worried about your younger children making the cut? I am a little baffled.

Maybe they need to build more magnets but not restrict by regions. So a magnet won’t be just selecting students from 5 high schools. That certainly dilutes the magnet program cohorts.

There are plenty of students in each region to support programs. The deck even showed this.

What did the deck show about this? -DP

That there are students in all the regions with high GPAs and involved in specialized programs. There is also reporting done each year to show that there are kids in alls schools taking advance classes. So quit it with your chicken little mentality or scarcity mentality.

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Anonymous wrote:ETA: and the Blair and RM parents who are complaining about the quality of the program declining if it becomes regional are horrible snobs. Your gifted kid can learn with other gifted local kids! They don’t have to be with only gifted kids from all around the whole county! Give me a break. So snobby!

Is MOP snobby?

The quality of the program would definitely decline if, instead of taking top 100 kids it took the top 1000. It’s already a very tough, challenging program that only the top third or so truly excel in. Expanding without reducing the standards will just set some kids up for failure or more likely dilute the program.

You're assuming that the 100 kids in the program are the top and would forever be. You are also assume there is not another 900 kids who could/would succeed in such program if the seats and program structure were available.

DP - yes. I don't really understand the elitist attitude at all. My children are younger, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but I always hear that MCPS is great if you can take full advantage of the magnets. But then that's a major caveat, because middle school magnets are lottery based and high school magnets are very, very selective. We should be serving more qualified children.

For the parents who are endorsing the Blair magnet and the RM IB program (for example) as they are, is it because your kids already got in? Or are you really not worried about your younger children making the cut? I am a little baffled.

Maybe they need to build more magnets but not restrict by regions. So a magnet won’t be just selecting students from 5 high schools. That certainly dilutes the magnet program cohorts.

There are plenty of students in each region to support programs. The deck even showed this.

What did the deck show about this? -DP

That there are students in all the regions with high GPAs and involved in specialized programs. There is also reporting done each year to show that there are kids in alls schools taking advance classes. So quit it with your chicken little mentality or scarcity mentality.

I’m a different poster who was asking for more info. But I would point out a couple of things. 1) a high GPA means very little in MCPS. Maybe that will improve with the new grading policy, but right now there is a ton of grade inflation. 2) regardless, kids who are qualified to go to Magnets may not want to do it if it is not at their home school. So pulling from just 4 or 5 schools could be a problem in terms of ensuring the same rigor.

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Anonymous wrote:Thinking about this region, here are the programs I know about.

BCC - IB, PLTW
Blair - SMACS, CAP
Einstein - IB
Northwood
Whitman - Social Justice

Are there any other programs I am missing? Does Northwood have a program?

If not - my guess is that Einstein loses IB, BCC loses PLTW, and Blair loses CAP. Then PLTW and CAP move to Northwood/Einstein.

Northwood has MC2, ROTC. Einstein has the VAC program (which is actually county-wide). Don't all schools have PLTW--isn't it just an online thing?

No PLTW is a series of engineering classes. It includes an exam that can provide college credit at certain schools. https://www.pltw.org/

So maybe B-CC keeps PLTW, Northwood keeps its programs, and Einstein takes CAP. I can’t imagine Einstein keeping its IB program.

Huh? Why not?

Because they will only have one in each cluster, and BCC’s is much stronger.

Does it say this somewhere, or you are assuming something?

That’s what they have said in the presentations to the Board so far.

But IB hasn't been mentioned in that way. It's been mentioned alongside AP as a type of advanced level classes that would be available at every school.

No IB will not be at every school. They are saying that if IB is available at a school, then the same AP class amy NOT be available. There will be (at most) one IB diploma program per reguon.

They have not said that at all. Please don't spread misinformation.

They have not said what?

They have definitely said that not all AP classes are available at school wuth IB. There is only so much demand. People who want all AP classes might do better to go to a non-IB school.

What they have not said: "There will be (at most) one IB diploma program per region."

They have never indicated that schools with a local IB program would lose those programs.

The programs analysis covers local, regional, and countywide programs.The programs will now all be regional. They don’t want two IB programs in a region. That’s inefficient, expensive, and unnecessary. And it also makes it difficult to offer IB programs in regions that don’t have one now, because it’s difficult to train teachers to provide high-quality IB classes. The teachers from schools that lose IB can then be shifted to schools that gain IB in other regions, presuming that they still want to teach IB.

This just illustrates what a bad job MCPS has done communicating about the programs analysis.

Please stop spreading misinformation. I just watched the most recent meeting, and in fact they explicitly discussed this point, saying that there could continue to be countywide and local programs as well as the regional ones.

You go ahead and tell yourself that. But don’t say you weren’t warned.

And eliminating duplicative programs — especially expensive ones like IB — makes sense. Especialy at schools like Einstein that are not producing positive results (just comoare pass rates for the diploma and exams at Einstein vs BCC).

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Anonymous wrote:Thinking about this region, here are the programs I know about.

BCC - IB, PLTW
Blair - SMACS, CAP
Einstein - IB
Northwood
Whitman - Social Justice

Are there any other programs I am missing? Does Northwood have a program?

If not - my guess is that Einstein loses IB, BCC loses PLTW, and Blair loses CAP. Then PLTW and CAP move to Northwood/Einstein.

Northwood has MC2, ROTC. Einstein has the VAC program (which is actually county-wide). Don't all schools have PLTW--isn't it just an online thing?

No PLTW is a series of engineering classes. It includes an exam that can provide college credit at certain schools. https://www.pltw.org/

So maybe B-CC keeps PLTW, Northwood keeps its programs, and Einstein takes CAP. I can’t imagine Einstein keeping its IB program.

Huh? Why not?

Because they will only have one in each cluster, and BCC’s is much stronger.

Does it say this somewhere, or you are assuming something?

That’s what they have said in the presentations to the Board so far.

But IB hasn't been mentioned in that way. It's been mentioned alongside AP as a type of advanced level classes that would be available at every school.

No IB will not be at every school. They are saying that if IB is available at a school, then the same AP class amy NOT be available. There will be (at most) one IB diploma program per reguon.

They have not said that at all. Please don't spread misinformation.

They have not said what?

They have definitely said that not all AP classes are available at school wuth IB. There is only so much demand. People who want all AP classes might do better to go to a non-IB school.

What they have not said: "There will be (at most) one IB diploma program per region."

They have never indicated that schools with a local IB program would lose those programs.

The programs analysis covers local, regional, and countywide programs.The programs will now all be regional. They don’t want two IB programs in a region. That’s inefficient, expensive, and unnecessary. And it also makes it difficult to offer IB programs in regions that don’t have one now, because it’s difficult to train teachers to provide high-quality IB classes. The teachers from schools that lose IB can then be shifted to schools that gain IB in other regions, presuming that they still want to teach IB.

This just illustrates what a bad job MCPS has done communicating about the programs analysis.

Please stop spreading misinformation. I just watched the most recent meeting, and in fact they explicitly discussed this point, saying that there could continue to be countywide and local programs as well as the regional ones.

You go ahead and tell yourself that. But don’t say you weren’t warned.

And eliminating duplicative programs — especially expensive ones like IB — makes sense. Especialy at schools like Einstein that are not producing positive results (just comoare pass rates for the diploma and exams at Einstein vs BCC).

I'm not "telling myself" anything. I'm reporting information about what was said at the meeting. You are pretending you know things which are still TBD.

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Anonymous wrote:ETA: and the Blair and RM parents who are complaining about the quality of the program declining if it becomes regional are horrible snobs. Your gifted kid can learn with other gifted local kids! They don’t have to be with only gifted kids from all around the whole county! Give me a break. So snobby!

Is MOP snobby?

The quality of the program would definitely decline if, instead of taking top 100 kids it took the top 1000. It’s already a very tough, challenging program that only the top third or so truly excel in. Expanding without reducing the standards will just set some kids up for failure or more likely dilute the program.

You're assuming that the 100 kids in the program are the top and would forever be. You are also assume there is not another 900 kids who could/would succeed in such program if the seats and program structure were available.

DP - yes. I don't really understand the elitist attitude at all. My children are younger, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but I always hear that MCPS is great if you can take full advantage of the magnets. But then that's a major caveat, because middle school magnets are lottery based and high school magnets are very, very selective. We should be serving more qualified children.

For the parents who are endorsing the Blair magnet and the RM IB program (for example) as they are, is it because your kids already got in? Or are you really not worried about your younger children making the cut? I am a little baffled.

Maybe they need to build more magnets but not restrict by regions. So a magnet won’t be just selecting students from 5 high schools. That certainly dilutes the magnet program cohorts.

There are plenty of students in each region to support programs. The deck even showed this.

What did the deck show about this? -DP

That there are students in all the regions with high GPAs and involved in specialized programs. There is also reporting done each year to show that there are kids in alls schools taking advance classes. So quit it with your chicken little mentality or scarcity mentality.

I’m a different poster who was asking for more info. But I would point out a couple of things. 1) a high GPA means very little in MCPS. Maybe that will improve with the new grading policy, but right now there is a ton of grade inflation. 2) regardless, kids who are qualified to go to Magnets may not want to do it if it is not at their home school. So pulling from just 4 or 5 schools could be a problem in terms of ensuring the same rigor.

#2 exist now with programs not being regional and further away. In the regional model kids are more likely to go to a program because it’s not as far

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Anonymous wrote:Blake, Sherwood, Springbrook, and Paint Branch were also listed as a region (NEC + Sherwood).

As someone who was in high school in MCPS when the NEC was created, this makes me chuckle.

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Anonymous wrote:ETA: and the Blair and RM parents who are complaining about the quality of the program declining if it becomes regional are horrible snobs. Your gifted kid can learn with other gifted local kids! They don’t have to be with only gifted kids from all around the whole county! Give me a break. So snobby!

Is MOP snobby?

The quality of the program would definitely decline if, instead of taking top 100 kids it took the top 1000. It’s already a very tough, challenging program that only the top third or so truly excel in. Expanding without reducing the standards will just set some kids up for failure or more likely dilute the program.

You're assuming that the 100 kids in the program are the top and would forever be. You are also assume there is not another 900 kids who could/would succeed in such program if the seats and program structure were available.

DP - yes. I don't really understand the elitist attitude at all. My children are younger, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but I always hear that MCPS is great if you can take full advantage of the magnets. But then that's a major caveat, because middle school magnets are lottery based and high school magnets are very, very selective. We should be serving more qualified children.

For the parents who are endorsing the Blair magnet and the RM IB program (for example) as they are, is it because your kids already got in? Or are you really not worried about your younger children making the cut? I am a little baffled.

Maybe they need to build more magnets but not restrict by regions. So a magnet won’t be just selecting students from 5 high schools. That certainly dilutes the magnet program cohorts.

There are plenty of students in each region to support programs. The deck even showed this.

What did the deck show about this? -DP

That there are students in all the regions with high GPAs and involved in specialized programs. There is also reporting done each year to show that there are kids in alls schools taking advance classes. So quit it with your chicken little mentality or scarcity mentality.

I’m a different poster who was asking for more info. But I would point out a couple of things. 1) a high GPA means very little in MCPS. Maybe that will improve with the new grading policy, but right now there is a ton of grade inflation. 2) regardless, kids who are qualified to go to Magnets may not want to do it if it is not at their home school. So pulling from just 4 or 5 schools could be a problem in terms of ensuring the same rigor.

#2 exist now with programs not being regional and further away. In the regional model kids are more likely to go to a program because it’s not as far

But the regions right now are bigger or even county-wide (for RMIB).

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Anonymous wrote:ETA: and the Blair and RM parents who are complaining about the quality of the program declining if it becomes regional are horrible snobs. Your gifted kid can learn with other gifted local kids! They don’t have to be with only gifted kids from all around the whole county! Give me a break. So snobby!

Is MOP snobby?

The quality of the program would definitely decline if, instead of taking top 100 kids it took the top 1000. It’s already a very tough, challenging program that only the top third or so truly excel in. Expanding without reducing the standards will just set some kids up for failure or more likely dilute the program.

You're assuming that the 100 kids in the program are the top and would forever be. You are also assume there is not another 900 kids who could/would succeed in such program if the seats and program structure were available.

DP - yes. I don't really understand the elitist attitude at all. My children are younger, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but I always hear that MCPS is great if you can take full advantage of the magnets. But then that's a major caveat, because middle school magnets are lottery based and high school magnets are very, very selective. We should be serving more qualified children.

For the parents who are endorsing the Blair magnet and the RM IB program (for example) as they are, is it because your kids already got in? Or are you really not worried about your younger children making the cut? I am a little baffled.

Maybe they need to build more magnets but not restrict by regions. So a magnet won’t be just selecting students from 5 high schools. That certainly dilutes the magnet program cohorts.

There are plenty of students in each region to support programs. The deck even showed this.

What did the deck show about this? -DP

That there are students in all the regions with high GPAs and involved in specialized programs. There is also reporting done each year to show that there are kids in alls schools taking advance classes. So quit it with your chicken little mentality or scarcity mentality.

I’m a different poster who was asking for more info. But I would point out a couple of things. 1) a high GPA means very little in MCPS. Maybe that will improve with the new grading policy, but right now there is a ton of grade inflation. 2) regardless, kids who are qualified to go to Magnets may not want to do it if it is not at their home school. So pulling from just 4 or 5 schools could be a problem in terms of ensuring the same rigor.

#2 exist now with programs not being regional and further away. In the regional model kids are more likely to go to a program because it’s not as far

But the regions right now are bigger or even county-wide (for RMIB).

What’s your point? The region does not need to be bigger or county wide just to have qualified students available. Students who were not willing to leave their home school before may be inclined to do so in the future because the program will be closer. Those that wouldn’t leave their home school no matter what, aren’t impacted.

Ya’ll keep trying to make this argument about rigor or cohort for the program with no real justification.

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Pretty sure these are the regions:

BCC
Blair
Einstein
Northwood
Whitman

Churchill
WJ
Wheaton
Woodward

Crown
Gaithersburg
Northwest
Seneca Valley
Watkins Mill

Blake
Paint Branch
Springwood
Sherwood

Kennedy
Magruder
RM
Rockville
Wootton

Clarksburg
Damascus
Poolesville
QO

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure these are the regions:

BCC
Blair
Einstein
Northwood
Whitman

Churchill
WJ
Wheaton
Woodward

Crown
Gaithersburg
Northwest
Seneca Valley
Watkins Mill

Blake
Paint Branch
Springwood
Sherwood

Kennedy
Magruder
RM
Rockville
Wootton

Clarksburg
Damascus
Poolesville
QO

That makes no sense.

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QO isn't contiguous with any of the schools in its region?

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure these are the regions:

BCC
Blair
Einstein
Northwood
Whitman

Churchill
WJ
Wheaton
Woodward

Crown
Gaithersburg
Northwest
Seneca Valley
Watkins Mill

Blake
Paint Branch
Springwood
Sherwood

Kennedy
Magruder
RM
Rockville
Wootton

Clarksburg
Damascus
Poolesville
QO

That makes no sense.

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I live upcounty. I would expect:
-Damascus, Clarksburg, Watkins Mill, Gaithersburg
-Poolesville, Seneca Valley, Quince Orchard, Northwest
- Crown could go with above or a Wootton/RM group

270 is a huge barrier from a commute standpoint upcounty.

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Is this known or hearsay?