ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:BY guy is excited to be able to play that last year as a cheat...then next year BY guy can't cheat anymore. No more playing against players in a younger grade for the Jan to July kids. such cheaters they have been the last few years.

This thinking is so off. I've personally seen many examples where a Aug-Dec kid is in the HIGHER grade OR where a Jan-July is in the LOWER grade. These decisions, BTW, had to do with maturity and academics, not sports. This shift doesn't help any of them and underscores how grade is less of a factor than people believe and kids playing against other grades will continue.

Changing from BY to SY trades 3 months of players playing up a grade for 1 month of players playing down a grade.

Which option do you think will result in better players?

Which option do you think will result in more money for clubs?

It's more than the baked-in misalignments, tho. All the cases on one team I am aware of (3) are parents who either redshirted OR the reverse (which still happens even though no longer the IT thing to do like it was back in the 80s and 90s).

I think globally the change is good for youth soccer BUT still causes problems for individuals AND might be a unfortunate curveball for some during this transition while perhaps helping others.

The same number of players are born first or born last no matter when the cutoff is defined if its always a 365 day window.

The benefit of 8/1-7/31 is no trapped players in 8th grade.

The problem with 8/1-7/31 is some August birthday players (depending on school district) can play down on a team with mostly players a grade below them in school.

Just to be fair...

The benefit of 1/1-12/31 is that the dates are complely seperate from school which means grade in School doesn't come into play. When you mix grade in school with teams you open the door to hold backs and regrades trying to play down for wins. "It's not fair my 16 year old freshman cant play on a team with kids in their grade." or "My kid is homeschooled so we'll just pick the grade team we think they should play on."

Sorry, but you reduce BUT not eliminate 8th-grade trapped kids. This is because of grade misalignment, because states are different OR if parents don't have the kid in the grade most do.

Name a scenario where kids are trapped now? There are none. If you are an august birthday in a 9-1 state you can play up. Therefore not trapped. So sick of people saying there are still trapped players, there aren’t.

Correct no more trapped players besides any hold backs or late starters. But any Aug-Dec kids that are the grade above the majority of their teammates would not be considered a trapped players besides any based off the definition used in the rule book.

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Anonymous wrote:For freshman - junior year not letting cheaters play down is incredibly important.

Eveytime this happens an of age player gets screwed out of their opportunity to get recruited. Keep in mind that the older player trying to cheat by playing down could have played on a team with players their age. They're just choosing not to and taking your kids opportunity.

This will not happen in the 12-month age group. What you described only happens in the MLS biobanding program. It is basically for players who cannot play in their own age group, to play down and rob the opportunity of player in his correct age group.

With the new 8/1-7/31 SY grouping 1 and in rare cases 2 months of players playing down with a grade lower team is possible.

Yes, this is most certainty possible in ECNL now.

But you also have the GY losers that are trying to push for Junior and Senior year teams to go GY. Which directly screws over players that are the correct grade in showcases.

Parents dont be stupid and dont let older players play down with your teams. You paid for the opportunity not them.

How are people posting on a forum pushing for anything? Also after US soccer deciding to switch for BY to SY without any thought or care of what parents or coaches really want to do what makes you think any of us have a real say.

I get you hate GY and I haven’t heard anyone say it’s a good idea but if ECNL wants to do it it’s because that’s what they want not what a handful of parents want.

Give it a rest and play HS soccer with your hold back. Or play on a team with kids their age.

Nobody in club cares about GY.

Loser... (looking to play down for wins)

So MLSN is for losers? Not sure if you realize that’s the top youth boys league in the country?

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Don't care...

Stop trying to change the subject.

Nobody in club wants GY parents around.

My point had nothing to do with GY? Only that MLSN allows kids to play down? And many team take these players…
You’re just a crybaby who lost the BY not switching argument and can’t handle it anymore.

100% this. You can tell it is the same poster by his word choices and syntax.

YUP 100%

[Anonymous]

Question, why would ECNL push so hard for new age cut offs? If it was really because they can’t stand trapped players why not just allow better rules to help them play with their grade this year?

My guess is they realize their money is made from being the platform known for college recruitment especially on the girls side. College coaches have told them it’s annoying to have kids from various grades.
ECNL never wanted the BY change to begin with as it doesn’t align with their business model.
Someone posted rumor on another forum that ECNL wants GY for showcases which I hope is not the case but why else fight and push unless it’s to get what they want which is the most efficient college recruiting platform.

No GY haters just tin hat people only…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Question, why would ECNL push so hard for new age cut offs? If it was really because they can’t stand trapped players why not just allow better rules to help them play with their grade this year?

My guess is they realize their money is made from being the platform known for college recruitment especially on the girls side. College coaches have told them it’s annoying to have kids from various grades.
ECNL never wanted the BY change to begin with as it doesn’t align with their business model.
Someone posted rumor on another forum that ECNL wants GY for showcases which I hope is not the case but why else fight and push unless it’s to get what they want which is the most efficient college recruiting platform.

No GY haters just tin hat people only…

its the same person trying to start a rumor that ECNL will allow GY that's been saying it for several years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Question, why would ECNL push so hard for new age cut offs? If it was really because they can’t stand trapped players why not just allow better rules to help them play with their grade this year?

My guess is they realize their money is made from being the platform known for college recruitment especially on the girls side. College coaches have told them it’s annoying to have kids from various grades.
ECNL never wanted the BY change to begin with as it doesn’t align with their business model.
Someone posted rumor on another forum that ECNL wants GY for showcases which I hope is not the case but why else fight and push unless it’s to get what they want which is the most efficient college recruiting platform.

No GY haters just tin hat people only…

its the same person trying to start a rumor that ECNL will allow GY that's been saying it for several years.

It's some private school loser with a 16 year old freshman.

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Anonymous wrote:BY guy is excited to be able to play that last year as a cheat...then next year BY guy can't cheat anymore. No more playing against players in a younger grade for the Jan to July kids. such cheaters they have been the last few years.

This thinking is so off. I've personally seen many examples where a Aug-Dec kid is in the HIGHER grade OR where a Jan-July is in the LOWER grade. These decisions, BTW, had to do with maturity and academics, not sports. This shift doesn't help any of them and underscores how grade is less of a factor than people believe and kids playing against other grades will continue.

Changing from BY to SY trades 3 months of players playing up a grade for 1 month of players playing down a grade.

Which option do you think will result in better players?

Which option do you think will result in more money for clubs?

It's more than the baked-in misalignments, tho. All the cases on one team I am aware of (3) are parents who either redshirted OR the reverse (which still happens even though no longer the IT thing to do like it was back in the 80s and 90s).

I think globally the change is good for youth soccer BUT still causes problems for individuals AND might be a unfortunate curveball for some during this transition while perhaps helping others.

The same number of players are born first or born last no matter when the cutoff is defined if its always a 365 day window.

The benefit of 8/1-7/31 is no trapped players in 8th grade.

The problem with 8/1-7/31 is some August birthday players (depending on school district) can play down on a team with mostly players a grade below them in school.

Just to be fair...

The benefit of 1/1-12/31 is that the dates are complely seperate from school which means grade in School doesn't come into play. When you mix grade in school with teams you open the door to hold backs and regrades trying to play down for wins. "It's not fair my 16 year old freshman cant play on a team with kids in their grade." or "My kid is homeschooled so we'll just pick the grade team we think they should play on."

Sorry, but you reduce BUT not eliminate 8th-grade trapped kids. This is because of grade misalignment, because states are different OR if parents don't have the kid in the grade most do.

Name a scenario where kids are trapped now? There are none. If you are an august birthday in a 9-1 state you can play up. Therefore not trapped. So sick of people saying there are still trapped players, there aren’t.

Correct no more trapped players besides any hold backs or late starters. But any Aug-Dec kids that are the grade above the majority of their teammates would not be considered a trapped players besides any based off the definition used in the rule book.

Call it whatever you want but it's not ideal for those kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:BY guy is excited to be able to play that last year as a cheat...then next year BY guy can't cheat anymore. No more playing against players in a younger grade for the Jan to July kids. such cheaters they have been the last few years.

This thinking is so off. I've personally seen many examples where a Aug-Dec kid is in the HIGHER grade OR where a Jan-July is in the LOWER grade. These decisions, BTW, had to do with maturity and academics, not sports. This shift doesn't help any of them and underscores how grade is less of a factor than people believe and kids playing against other grades will continue.

Changing from BY to SY trades 3 months of players playing up a grade for 1 month of players playing down a grade.

Which option do you think will result in better players?

Which option do you think will result in more money for clubs?

It's more than the baked-in misalignments, tho. All the cases on one team I am aware of (3) are parents who either redshirted OR the reverse (which still happens even though no longer the IT thing to do like it was back in the 80s and 90s).

I think globally the change is good for youth soccer BUT still causes problems for individuals AND might be a unfortunate curveball for some during this transition while perhaps helping others.

The same number of players are born first or born last no matter when the cutoff is defined if its always a 365 day window.

The benefit of 8/1-7/31 is no trapped players in 8th grade.

The problem with 8/1-7/31 is some August birthday players (depending on school district) can play down on a team with mostly players a grade below them in school.

Just to be fair...

The benefit of 1/1-12/31 is that the dates are complely seperate from school which means grade in School doesn't come into play. When you mix grade in school with teams you open the door to hold backs and regrades trying to play down for wins. "It's not fair my 16 year old freshman cant play on a team with kids in their grade." or "My kid is homeschooled so we'll just pick the grade team we think they should play on."

Sorry, but you reduce BUT not eliminate 8th-grade trapped kids. This is because of grade misalignment, because states are different OR if parents don't have the kid in the grade most do.

Name a scenario where kids are trapped now? There are none. If you are an august birthday in a 9-1 state you can play up. Therefore not trapped. So sick of people saying there are still trapped players, there aren’t.

There are still 2 months with of trapped players. Our School year Juniors have birth dates 1 October to 30 September. Now we have Sophomores with August and September birthdates on the team. (They can't play down.) These players are trapped. The same applies for 9th graders who have 8th graders on their team. Those players are still trapped. We went from 3 months of trapped players to two months of trapped players for our school district. It is only slightly better, but there are still trapped players.

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Anonymous wrote:BY guy is excited to be able to play that last year as a cheat...then next year BY guy can't cheat anymore. No more playing against players in a younger grade for the Jan to July kids. such cheaters they have been the last few years.

This thinking is so off. I've personally seen many examples where a Aug-Dec kid is in the HIGHER grade OR where a Jan-July is in the LOWER grade. These decisions, BTW, had to do with maturity and academics, not sports. This shift doesn't help any of them and underscores how grade is less of a factor than people believe and kids playing against other grades will continue.

Changing from BY to SY trades 3 months of players playing up a grade for 1 month of players playing down a grade.

Which option do you think will result in better players?

Which option do you think will result in more money for clubs?

It's more than the baked-in misalignments, tho. All the cases on one team I am aware of (3) are parents who either redshirted OR the reverse (which still happens even though no longer the IT thing to do like it was back in the 80s and 90s).

I think globally the change is good for youth soccer BUT still causes problems for individuals AND might be a unfortunate curveball for some during this transition while perhaps helping others.

The same number of players are born first or born last no matter when the cutoff is defined if its always a 365 day window.

The benefit of 8/1-7/31 is no trapped players in 8th grade.

The problem with 8/1-7/31 is some August birthday players (depending on school district) can play down on a team with mostly players a grade below them in school.

Just to be fair...

The benefit of 1/1-12/31 is that the dates are complely seperate from school which means grade in School doesn't come into play. When you mix grade in school with teams you open the door to hold backs and regrades trying to play down for wins. "It's not fair my 16 year old freshman cant play on a team with kids in their grade." or "My kid is homeschooled so we'll just pick the grade team we think they should play on."

Sorry, but you reduce BUT not eliminate 8th-grade trapped kids. This is because of grade misalignment, because states are different OR if parents don't have the kid in the grade most do.

Name a scenario where kids are trapped now? There are none. If you are an august birthday in a 9-1 state you can play up. Therefore not trapped. So sick of people saying there are still trapped players, there aren’t.

There are still 2 months with of trapped players. Our School year Juniors have birth dates 1 October to 30 September. Now we have Sophomores with August and September birthdates on the team. (They can't play down.) These players are trapped. The same applies for 9th graders who have 8th graders on their team. Those players are still trapped. We went from 3 months of trapped players to two months of trapped players for our school district. It is only slightly better, but there are still trapped players.

They are misaligned but not considered trapped because they have the option to play up. It’s not ideal. By sophomore year, those girls misaligned should be playing up with their same grade peers if their goal is to play in college. Could be later for boys, I’m not as familiar with their recruiting timeline.

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Anonymous wrote:BY guy is excited to be able to play that last year as a cheat...then next year BY guy can't cheat anymore. No more playing against players in a younger grade for the Jan to July kids. such cheaters they have been the last few years.

This thinking is so off. I've personally seen many examples where a Aug-Dec kid is in the HIGHER grade OR where a Jan-July is in the LOWER grade. These decisions, BTW, had to do with maturity and academics, not sports. This shift doesn't help any of them and underscores how grade is less of a factor than people believe and kids playing against other grades will continue.

Changing from BY to SY trades 3 months of players playing up a grade for 1 month of players playing down a grade.

Which option do you think will result in better players?

Which option do you think will result in more money for clubs?

It's more than the baked-in misalignments, tho. All the cases on one team I am aware of (3) are parents who either redshirted OR the reverse (which still happens even though no longer the IT thing to do like it was back in the 80s and 90s).

I think globally the change is good for youth soccer BUT still causes problems for individuals AND might be a unfortunate curveball for some during this transition while perhaps helping others.

The same number of players are born first or born last no matter when the cutoff is defined if its always a 365 day window.

The benefit of 8/1-7/31 is no trapped players in 8th grade.

The problem with 8/1-7/31 is some August birthday players (depending on school district) can play down on a team with mostly players a grade below them in school.

Just to be fair...

The benefit of 1/1-12/31 is that the dates are complely seperate from school which means grade in School doesn't come into play. When you mix grade in school with teams you open the door to hold backs and regrades trying to play down for wins. "It's not fair my 16 year old freshman cant play on a team with kids in their grade." or "My kid is homeschooled so we'll just pick the grade team we think they should play on."

Sorry, but you reduce BUT not eliminate 8th-grade trapped kids. This is because of grade misalignment, because states are different OR if parents don't have the kid in the grade most do.

Name a scenario where kids are trapped now? There are none. If you are an august birthday in a 9-1 state you can play up. Therefore not trapped. So sick of people saying there are still trapped players, there aren’t.

There are still 2 months with of trapped players. Our School year Juniors have birth dates 1 October to 30 September. Now we have Sophomores with August and September birthdates on the team. (They can't play down.) These players are trapped. The same applies for 9th graders who have 8th graders on their team. Those players are still trapped. We went from 3 months of trapped players to two months of trapped players for our school district. It is only slightly better, but there are still trapped players.

They aren’t trapped. How many times does this need to be explained. 🤦‍♂️

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Anonymous wrote:BY guy is excited to be able to play that last year as a cheat...then next year BY guy can't cheat anymore. No more playing against players in a younger grade for the Jan to July kids. such cheaters they have been the last few years.

This thinking is so off. I've personally seen many examples where a Aug-Dec kid is in the HIGHER grade OR where a Jan-July is in the LOWER grade. These decisions, BTW, had to do with maturity and academics, not sports. This shift doesn't help any of them and underscores how grade is less of a factor than people believe and kids playing against other grades will continue.

Changing from BY to SY trades 3 months of players playing up a grade for 1 month of players playing down a grade.

Which option do you think will result in better players?

Which option do you think will result in more money for clubs?

It's more than the baked-in misalignments, tho. All the cases on one team I am aware of (3) are parents who either redshirted OR the reverse (which still happens even though no longer the IT thing to do like it was back in the 80s and 90s).

I think globally the change is good for youth soccer BUT still causes problems for individuals AND might be a unfortunate curveball for some during this transition while perhaps helping others.

The same number of players are born first or born last no matter when the cutoff is defined if its always a 365 day window.

The benefit of 8/1-7/31 is no trapped players in 8th grade.

The problem with 8/1-7/31 is some August birthday players (depending on school district) can play down on a team with mostly players a grade below them in school.

Just to be fair...

The benefit of 1/1-12/31 is that the dates are complely seperate from school which means grade in School doesn't come into play. When you mix grade in school with teams you open the door to hold backs and regrades trying to play down for wins. "It's not fair my 16 year old freshman cant play on a team with kids in their grade." or "My kid is homeschooled so we'll just pick the grade team we think they should play on."

Sorry, but you reduce BUT not eliminate 8th-grade trapped kids. This is because of grade misalignment, because states are different OR if parents don't have the kid in the grade most do.

Name a scenario where kids are trapped now? There are none. If you are an august birthday in a 9-1 state you can play up. Therefore not trapped. So sick of people saying there are still trapped players, there aren’t.

There are still 2 months with of trapped players. Our School year Juniors have birth dates 1 October to 30 September. Now we have Sophomores with August and September birthdates on the team. (They can't play down.) These players are trapped. The same applies for 9th graders who have 8th graders on their team. Those players are still trapped. We went from 3 months of trapped players to two months of trapped players for our school district. It is only slightly better, but there are still trapped players.

They aren’t trapped. How many times does this need to be explained. 🤦‍♂️

So another way of saying this is its a 14 month window for playing on a team with your grade. Got it...

Didn't someone propose something exactly like this?

The problem with SY is Aug/Sept birthdays(depending on when your school starts) can play down with a lower grade team. Parents and clubs desperate for wins will encourage littles to do this. Which will bring home the blue ribbons when they're young. But, the clock will be ticking for getting on a team with kids in their grade. Maybe this will never be possible. In this situation parents will hold their kids back in school to get that ellusive 20k scholorship to a 60k per year private college.

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Anonymous wrote:BY guy is excited to be able to play that last year as a cheat...then next year BY guy can't cheat anymore. No more playing against players in a younger grade for the Jan to July kids. such cheaters they have been the last few years.

This thinking is so off. I've personally seen many examples where a Aug-Dec kid is in the HIGHER grade OR where a Jan-July is in the LOWER grade. These decisions, BTW, had to do with maturity and academics, not sports. This shift doesn't help any of them and underscores how grade is less of a factor than people believe and kids playing against other grades will continue.

Changing from BY to SY trades 3 months of players playing up a grade for 1 month of players playing down a grade.

Which option do you think will result in better players?

Which option do you think will result in more money for clubs?

It's more than the baked-in misalignments, tho. All the cases on one team I am aware of (3) are parents who either redshirted OR the reverse (which still happens even though no longer the IT thing to do like it was back in the 80s and 90s).

I think globally the change is good for youth soccer BUT still causes problems for individuals AND might be a unfortunate curveball for some during this transition while perhaps helping others.

The same number of players are born first or born last no matter when the cutoff is defined if its always a 365 day window.

The benefit of 8/1-7/31 is no trapped players in 8th grade.

The problem with 8/1-7/31 is some August birthday players (depending on school district) can play down on a team with mostly players a grade below them in school.

Just to be fair...

The benefit of 1/1-12/31 is that the dates are complely seperate from school which means grade in School doesn't come into play. When you mix grade in school with teams you open the door to hold backs and regrades trying to play down for wins. "It's not fair my 16 year old freshman cant play on a team with kids in their grade." or "My kid is homeschooled so we'll just pick the grade team we think they should play on."

Sorry, but you reduce BUT not eliminate 8th-grade trapped kids. This is because of grade misalignment, because states are different OR if parents don't have the kid in the grade most do.

Name a scenario where kids are trapped now? There are none. If you are an august birthday in a 9-1 state you can play up. Therefore not trapped. So sick of people saying there are still trapped players, there aren’t.

There are still 2 months with of trapped players. Our School year Juniors have birth dates 1 October to 30 September. Now we have Sophomores with August and September birthdates on the team. (They can't play down.) These players are trapped. The same applies for 9th graders who have 8th graders on their team. Those players are still trapped. We went from 3 months of trapped players to two months of trapped players for our school district. It is only slightly better, but there are still trapped players.

They aren’t trapped. How many times does this need to be explained. 🤦‍♂️

So another way of saying this is its a 14 month window for playing on a team with your grade. Got it...

Didn't someone propose something exactly like this?

The problem with SY is Aug/Sept birthdays(depending on when your school starts) can play down with a lower grade team. Parents and clubs desperate for wins will encourage littles to do this. Which will bring home the blue ribbons when they're young. But, the clock will be ticking for getting on a team with kids in their grade. Maybe this will never be possible. In this situation parents will hold their kids back in school to get that ellusive 20k scholorship to a 60k per year private college.

This is why the original date was 9/1 as it placed the most kids in the correct age group for grade. I guess they decided that 8/1 was the lesser of two evils because those misaligned could play up.

Most kids will never play in college so can play in their correct age group and never worry about recruiting. After puberty the differences between kids in a 12 month age range vs 14 month age range isn’t that drastic. Those kids that have the ability to play in college should be able to jump up an age group and play aligned with their grade. If they can’t, they wouldn’t get a spot in college anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:BY guy is excited to be able to play that last year as a cheat...then next year BY guy can't cheat anymore. No more playing against players in a younger grade for the Jan to July kids. such cheaters they have been the last few years.

This thinking is so off. I've personally seen many examples where a Aug-Dec kid is in the HIGHER grade OR where a Jan-July is in the LOWER grade. These decisions, BTW, had to do with maturity and academics, not sports. This shift doesn't help any of them and underscores how grade is less of a factor than people believe and kids playing against other grades will continue.

Changing from BY to SY trades 3 months of players playing up a grade for 1 month of players playing down a grade.

Which option do you think will result in better players?

Which option do you think will result in more money for clubs?

It's more than the baked-in misalignments, tho. All the cases on one team I am aware of (3) are parents who either redshirted OR the reverse (which still happens even though no longer the IT thing to do like it was back in the 80s and 90s).

I think globally the change is good for youth soccer BUT still causes problems for individuals AND might be a unfortunate curveball for some during this transition while perhaps helping others.

The same number of players are born first or born last no matter when the cutoff is defined if its always a 365 day window.

The benefit of 8/1-7/31 is no trapped players in 8th grade.

The problem with 8/1-7/31 is some August birthday players (depending on school district) can play down on a team with mostly players a grade below them in school.

Just to be fair...

The benefit of 1/1-12/31 is that the dates are complely seperate from school which means grade in School doesn't come into play. When you mix grade in school with teams you open the door to hold backs and regrades trying to play down for wins. "It's not fair my 16 year old freshman cant play on a team with kids in their grade." or "My kid is homeschooled so we'll just pick the grade team we think they should play on."

Sorry, but you reduce BUT not eliminate 8th-grade trapped kids. This is because of grade misalignment, because states are different OR if parents don't have the kid in the grade most do.

Name a scenario where kids are trapped now? There are none. If you are an august birthday in a 9-1 state you can play up. Therefore not trapped. So sick of people saying there are still trapped players, there aren’t.

There are still 2 months with of trapped players. Our School year Juniors have birth dates 1 October to 30 September. Now we have Sophomores with August and September birthdates on the team. (They can't play down.) These players are trapped. The same applies for 9th graders who have 8th graders on their team. Those players are still trapped. We went from 3 months of trapped players to two months of trapped players for our school district. It is only slightly better, but there are still trapped players.

They aren’t trapped. How many times does this need to be explained. 🤦‍♂️

So another way of saying this is its a 14 month window for playing on a team with your grade. Got it...

Didn't someone propose something exactly like this?

The problem with SY is Aug/Sept birthdays(depending on when your school starts) can play down with a lower grade team. Parents and clubs desperate for wins will encourage littles to do this. Which will bring home the blue ribbons when they're young. But, the clock will be ticking for getting on a team with kids in their grade. Maybe this will never be possible. In this situation parents will hold their kids back in school to get that ellusive 20k scholorship to a 60k per year private college.

No, 12 month window as it has been. And you can play up, like you always could have. Playing within your 12 month window is not playing down. There are rules against playing down in ECNL/RL. This is incontrovertible. But there are always those that get confused and misunderstand what a 12 month window means.

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Anonymous wrote:BY guy is excited to be able to play that last year as a cheat...then next year BY guy can't cheat anymore. No more playing against players in a younger grade for the Jan to July kids. such cheaters they have been the last few years.

This thinking is so off. I've personally seen many examples where a Aug-Dec kid is in the HIGHER grade OR where a Jan-July is in the LOWER grade. These decisions, BTW, had to do with maturity and academics, not sports. This shift doesn't help any of them and underscores how grade is less of a factor than people believe and kids playing against other grades will continue.

Changing from BY to SY trades 3 months of players playing up a grade for 1 month of players playing down a grade.

Which option do you think will result in better players?

Which option do you think will result in more money for clubs?

It's more than the baked-in misalignments, tho. All the cases on one team I am aware of (3) are parents who either redshirted OR the reverse (which still happens even though no longer the IT thing to do like it was back in the 80s and 90s).

I think globally the change is good for youth soccer BUT still causes problems for individuals AND might be a unfortunate curveball for some during this transition while perhaps helping others.

The same number of players are born first or born last no matter when the cutoff is defined if its always a 365 day window.

The benefit of 8/1-7/31 is no trapped players in 8th grade.

The problem with 8/1-7/31 is some August birthday players (depending on school district) can play down on a team with mostly players a grade below them in school.

Just to be fair...

The benefit of 1/1-12/31 is that the dates are complely seperate from school which means grade in School doesn't come into play. When you mix grade in school with teams you open the door to hold backs and regrades trying to play down for wins. "It's not fair my 16 year old freshman cant play on a team with kids in their grade." or "My kid is homeschooled so we'll just pick the grade team we think they should play on."

Sorry, but you reduce BUT not eliminate 8th-grade trapped kids. This is because of grade misalignment, because states are different OR if parents don't have the kid in the grade most do.

Name a scenario where kids are trapped now? There are none. If you are an august birthday in a 9-1 state you can play up. Therefore not trapped. So sick of people saying there are still trapped players, there aren’t.

There are still 2 months with of trapped players. Our School year Juniors have birth dates 1 October to 30 September. Now we have Sophomores with August and September birthdates on the team. (They can't play down.) These players are trapped. The same applies for 9th graders who have 8th graders on their team. Those players are still trapped. We went from 3 months of trapped players to two months of trapped players for our school district. It is only slightly better, but there are still trapped players.

They aren’t trapped. How many times does this need to be explained. 🤦‍♂️

So another way of saying this is its a 14 month window for playing on a team with your grade. Got it...

Didn't someone propose something exactly like this?

The problem with SY is Aug/Sept birthdays(depending on when your school starts) can play down with a lower grade team. Parents and clubs desperate for wins will encourage littles to do this. Which will bring home the blue ribbons when they're young. But, the clock will be ticking for getting on a team with kids in their grade. Maybe this will never be possible. In this situation parents will hold their kids back in school to get that ellusive 20k scholorship to a 60k per year private college.

No, 12 month window as it has been. And you can play up, like you always could have. Playing within your 12 month window is not playing down. There are rules against playing down in ECNL/RL. This is incontrovertible. But there are always those that get confused and misunderstand what a 12 month window means.

Well senior "incontrovertible"

You're aware that schools start between July and late September. Which means with an 8/1 cutoff Aug + Sept birthdays can play with their grade in school or the grade down. This is the issue

Leagues can create a rule saying that in this situation players arent allowed to play a grade down and must play on a team with players their grade in school.

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Anonymous wrote:BY guy is excited to be able to play that last year as a cheat...then next year BY guy can't cheat anymore. No more playing against players in a younger grade for the Jan to July kids. such cheaters they have been the last few years.

This thinking is so off. I've personally seen many examples where a Aug-Dec kid is in the HIGHER grade OR where a Jan-July is in the LOWER grade. These decisions, BTW, had to do with maturity and academics, not sports. This shift doesn't help any of them and underscores how grade is less of a factor than people believe and kids playing against other grades will continue.

Changing from BY to SY trades 3 months of players playing up a grade for 1 month of players playing down a grade.

Which option do you think will result in better players?

Which option do you think will result in more money for clubs?

It's more than the baked-in misalignments, tho. All the cases on one team I am aware of (3) are parents who either redshirted OR the reverse (which still happens even though no longer the IT thing to do like it was back in the 80s and 90s).

I think globally the change is good for youth soccer BUT still causes problems for individuals AND might be a unfortunate curveball for some during this transition while perhaps helping others.

The same number of players are born first or born last no matter when the cutoff is defined if its always a 365 day window.

The benefit of 8/1-7/31 is no trapped players in 8th grade.

The problem with 8/1-7/31 is some August birthday players (depending on school district) can play down on a team with mostly players a grade below them in school.

Just to be fair...

The benefit of 1/1-12/31 is that the dates are complely seperate from school which means grade in School doesn't come into play. When you mix grade in school with teams you open the door to hold backs and regrades trying to play down for wins. "It's not fair my 16 year old freshman cant play on a team with kids in their grade." or "My kid is homeschooled so we'll just pick the grade team we think they should play on."

Sorry, but you reduce BUT not eliminate 8th-grade trapped kids. This is because of grade misalignment, because states are different OR if parents don't have the kid in the grade most do.

Name a scenario where kids are trapped now? There are none. If you are an august birthday in a 9-1 state you can play up. Therefore not trapped. So sick of people saying there are still trapped players, there aren’t.

There are still 2 months with of trapped players. Our School year Juniors have birth dates 1 October to 30 September. Now we have Sophomores with August and September birthdates on the team. (They can't play down.) These players are trapped. The same applies for 9th graders who have 8th graders on their team. Those players are still trapped. We went from 3 months of trapped players to two months of trapped players for our school district. It is only slightly better, but there are still trapped players.

They aren’t trapped. How many times does this need to be explained. 🤦‍♂️

So another way of saying this is its a 14 month window for playing on a team with your grade. Got it...

Didn't someone propose something exactly like this?

The problem with SY is Aug/Sept birthdays(depending on when your school starts) can play down with a lower grade team. Parents and clubs desperate for wins will encourage littles to do this. Which will bring home the blue ribbons when they're young. But, the clock will be ticking for getting on a team with kids in their grade. Maybe this will never be possible. In this situation parents will hold their kids back in school to get that ellusive 20k scholorship to a 60k per year private college.

No, 12 month window as it has been. And you can play up, like you always could have. Playing within your 12 month window is not playing down. There are rules against playing down in ECNL/RL. This is incontrovertible. But there are always those that get confused and misunderstand what a 12 month window means.

Well senior "incontrovertible"

You're aware that schools start between July and late September. Which means with an 8/1 cutoff Aug + Sept birthdays can play with their grade in school or the grade down. This is the issue

Leagues can create a rule saying that in this situation players arent allowed to play a grade down and must play on a team with players their grade in school.

Leagues won't do that.

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Anonymous wrote:BY guy is excited to be able to play that last year as a cheat...then next year BY guy can't cheat anymore. No more playing against players in a younger grade for the Jan to July kids. such cheaters they have been the last few years.

This thinking is so off. I've personally seen many examples where a Aug-Dec kid is in the HIGHER grade OR where a Jan-July is in the LOWER grade. These decisions, BTW, had to do with maturity and academics, not sports. This shift doesn't help any of them and underscores how grade is less of a factor than people believe and kids playing against other grades will continue.

Changing from BY to SY trades 3 months of players playing up a grade for 1 month of players playing down a grade.

Which option do you think will result in better players?

Which option do you think will result in more money for clubs?

It's more than the baked-in misalignments, tho. All the cases on one team I am aware of (3) are parents who either redshirted OR the reverse (which still happens even though no longer the IT thing to do like it was back in the 80s and 90s).

I think globally the change is good for youth soccer BUT still causes problems for individuals AND might be a unfortunate curveball for some during this transition while perhaps helping others.

The same number of players are born first or born last no matter when the cutoff is defined if its always a 365 day window.

The benefit of 8/1-7/31 is no trapped players in 8th grade.

The problem with 8/1-7/31 is some August birthday players (depending on school district) can play down on a team with mostly players a grade below them in school.

Just to be fair...

The benefit of 1/1-12/31 is that the dates are complely seperate from school which means grade in School doesn't come into play. When you mix grade in school with teams you open the door to hold backs and regrades trying to play down for wins. "It's not fair my 16 year old freshman cant play on a team with kids in their grade." or "My kid is homeschooled so we'll just pick the grade team we think they should play on."

Sorry, but you reduce BUT not eliminate 8th-grade trapped kids. This is because of grade misalignment, because states are different OR if parents don't have the kid in the grade most do.

Name a scenario where kids are trapped now? There are none. If you are an august birthday in a 9-1 state you can play up. Therefore not trapped. So sick of people saying there are still trapped players, there aren’t.

There are still 2 months with of trapped players. Our School year Juniors have birth dates 1 October to 30 September. Now we have Sophomores with August and September birthdates on the team. (They can't play down.) These players are trapped. The same applies for 9th graders who have 8th graders on their team. Those players are still trapped. We went from 3 months of trapped players to two months of trapped players for our school district. It is only slightly better, but there are still trapped players.

They aren’t trapped. How many times does this need to be explained. 🤦‍♂️

So another way of saying this is its a 14 month window for playing on a team with your grade. Got it...

Didn't someone propose something exactly like this?

The problem with SY is Aug/Sept birthdays(depending on when your school starts) can play down with a lower grade team. Parents and clubs desperate for wins will encourage littles to do this. Which will bring home the blue ribbons when they're young. But, the clock will be ticking for getting on a team with kids in their grade. Maybe this will never be possible. In this situation parents will hold their kids back in school to get that ellusive 20k scholorship to a 60k per year private college.

Trapped means not having choice. Misaligned means having a choice to play with correct age range OR playing “up” with current grade. Yes, in random states there will be a month or two of “additional” months younger, but there is still a choice.

Parents will always have a say in where their kid is placed in terms of up or down. But the hard truth is that playing up (in this case with same grade) may mean swallowing pride and playing RL or Aspire level.

A kid on the younger side of the grade will be at a slight disadvantage. I take this choice all day every day vs FORCING Q3/Q4 kids to play up with a grade above and all the problems this creates in 8th, 10th, 11th and 12th grade for that kid…...

It ain’t rocket science.