What happened to this California family?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a photo of the map trail, detailing where the car was and where the bodies were found? I'm having trouble understanding an 8+ mile hike. Was it a clearly defined loop trail that circled back to their car or was it a maze of trails and it's possible they got lost and took a much longer path than they thought, putting them further and further away from their car?

I know I read they were only 1.5 miles from their car. Had they completed 6.5 miles before they passed away? Do we know the answer?

On another note, if the mom was leaving to go get help, would she really leave the baby in the carrier with the husband, sitting in the blazing sun? I would think she would have taken the baby with her.

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re: the bold: You're not the first person here to say "but the mom should have taken the baby with her if she was going for help --I would have taken the baby/any mom would never leave her baby behind/ I think she would have taken the baby" etc. etc.

A person who has been in the broiling sun and is possibly in a stage of heat stroke/exhaustion, and is frantic with worry, is not necessarily going to make logical or safe choices and decisions.

Those posting how they would of course gone all mama bear and taken that baby are posting from their air-conditioned homes, with full benefit of hydration and perfect hindsight. It's just silly for people to post about how they would have, or she should have, taken the baby rather than leaving her with the father. We cannot know what we might do or not do with our brains fried by intense heat at a minimum, and possibly with the effects of inhalation or ingestion of something toxic like gases in the area.

There's also the horrific possibility that the baby was already dead by the time the mom left to get help.

okay this is an interesting point. It's very possible with the baby being in the carrier, she was getting the brunt of that strong sun and was in distress first and the parents panicked perhaps contributing to their own heat exhaustion/stroke. Jeez, I had not thought of this. All of it is tragic.

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Anonymous wrote:Going for a recreational hike anywhere when it's 95+ outside is not a good idea. Look at all the people they have to rescue from bill goat trail near the Potomac every year.

This is absolutely not true in low humidity areas. I live in Northern California and hike all summer in 95+ temperatures. Be smart in choosing your hikes and carry plenty of water and you'll be fine.

With a baby and a dog? Come on.

Where did I ever say I hike with a baby or a dog? I was responding to the poster who this statement "Going for a recreational hike anywhere when it's 95+ outside is not a good idea." Come on.

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Anonymous wrote:A hiker died this week in Utah's Mount Zion Park. Very similar conditions to this family - he was hiking for 9 miles, the weather was over 95F, and he suffered from heat exhaustion. An interesting point made was that the body shuts down when the internal temperature hits 103F. Its very likely that this CA family, which was hiking in temps nearly 10 degrees higher, suffered the same fate.

A hiker has died of suspected heat stroke in Zion National Park in Utah amid 95 degree heat, park officials have announced.

John Henry Wolfe, from Milwaukee, had reached the end of a strenuous nine mile canyon trail on Monday when he started complaining about exhaustion, a statement from the National Park Service said.
https://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2021/08/31/prc-hiker-dies-from-apparent-heat-exhaustion-in-zion-national-park/#.YTEU_d8pDZs

The Subway hike where this hiker died is in no way similar to where this family was found. Nothing like it at all really.

The California hike sounds worse - exposed switchbacks, 109 degrees. Either way, a 9-mile hike in 90+ degrees is a bad idea for most people.

I was going to say the same. The Savage Lundy Trail post-fire honestly doesn't look like a nice place to hike even aside from the heat.

And yet, there seems to be nothing or controversial going on. They aren't shutting down the park, they aren't holding news conferences about how bizarre everything is, they aren't telling everyone that they need to wait for the toxicology report to draw conclusions. He had a long hike in the heat and died of hear exhaustion. Tragic, but simple. And its being talked about and reported on simply.

I am someone that finds it ENTIRELY plausible that the cali family died of heat, but the way they are approaching the scene and the media just makes it seem clear that there is something there that is making it NOT seem like the most obvious explanation (heat) is not the explanation.

Because this guy complained of symptoms. They found him before he was dead! They gave him CPR! They could see right away what it was.

If he had gone missing, and they hadn't found the body for several days, it would be a completely different scenario.

The man who was missing for almost a month after a run in the hot weather was also determined to be heat related. There were no mysterious hazards.

But they didn't immediately announce that it was heat stroke. They waited until they had more data. Because the child was involved they are being more cautious.

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Anonymous wrote:Is hiking some trendy fad with liberal yuppies? This couple was clearly very into it — to the point of risking their health/life for it. And just now NYT shared a story on their main social media accounts reviewing hiking boots.

What’s the allure? I’m not anti nature but hiking is pretty boring.

If hiking is boring to you, leave nature for those who enjoy it. I do think it has gotten more popular and mainstream but it's not a fleeting fad. The allure-fresh air, sunshine, exercise, endorphins, wildlife, vegetation, scenery...dare I say boulders, escaping other humans, a sense of awe, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Going for a recreational hike anywhere when it's 95+ outside is not a good idea. Look at all the people they have to rescue from bill goat trail near the Potomac every year.

This is absolutely not true in low humidity areas. I live in Northern California and hike all summer in 95+ temperatures. Be smart in choosing your hikes and carry plenty of water and you'll be fine.

With a baby and a dog? Come on.

Where did I ever say I hike with a baby or a dog? I was responding to the poster who this statement "Going for a recreational hike anywhere when it's 95+ outside is not a good idea." Come on.

that's what this family did. Is someone on this thread finally admitting it was a bad idea for these parents to take a helpless baby and dog to bake in 100 plus degree heat? Something tells me it didn't make a difference to that baby that it was a dry heat.

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I am in the heatstroke camp and I think it’s likely the dog was already very sick/weak from the heat (hence why he just laid down and died) and possible that the baby died in the carrier before her parents as a child that age is much, much more susceptible to heat stroke. I think mom was making an effort to go get help when she collapsed and died.

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Anonymous wrote:Going for a recreational hike anywhere when it's 95+ outside is not a good idea. Look at all the people they have to rescue from bill goat trail near the Potomac every year.

This is absolutely not true in low humidity areas. I live in Northern California and hike all summer in 95+ temperatures. Be smart in choosing your hikes and carry plenty of water and you'll be fine.

With a baby and a dog? Come on.

Where did I ever say I hike with a baby or a dog? I was responding to the poster who this statement "Going for a recreational hike anywhere when it's 95+ outside is not a good idea." Come on.

that's what this family did. Is someone on this thread finally admitting it was a bad idea for these parents to take a helpless baby and dog to bake in 100 plus degree heat? Something tells me it didn't make a difference to that baby that it was a dry heat.

I see that you still can't read.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how or why this thread exists. Are some of you on here the same people that were on th 'Kane Show" thread?

How dead is your life that you can while away hours at a time on here speculating as to facts that may NEVER be conclusively determined? Am I missing something? What is your secondary gain from grinding away at this?

Some people enjoy mysteries. It beats all the Covid crap.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how or why this thread exists. Are some of you on here the same people that were on th 'Kane Show" thread?

How dead is your life that you can while away hours at a time on here speculating as to facts that may NEVER be conclusively determined? Am I missing something? What is your secondary gain from grinding away at this?

I don't understand how it's 130+ pages. Every time I come on here and check, it's another handful of posts saying, Ok, here's why I think happened" and laying gout the heatstroke theory, a handful saying well but the baby/dog, and a handful of posts arguing. It's literally the same exact thing. For 130 pages.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how or why this thread exists. Are some of you on here the same people that were on th 'Kane Show" thread?

How dead is your life that you can while away hours at a time on here speculating as to facts that may NEVER be conclusively determined? Am I missing something? What is your secondary gain from grinding away at this?

It's an episode of Dateline playing out in real time.

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Anonymous wrote:Going for a recreational hike anywhere when it's 95+ outside is not a good idea. Look at all the people they have to rescue from bill goat trail near the Potomac every year.

95+ here with humidity is 1000x worse than 105+ with no humidity.

Except that, as has been posted multiple times on this thread, it was unusually humid as well as unusually hot when they set out on 8/15. The relative humidity was 47% at 8:00 am that day. By 11:00 am it was 99 degrees and 22% relative humidity. The lowest humidity point during the day, at 3:00 pm was 16%, when it was 109. Absolutely miserable, beastly weather anyway you slice it.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how or why this thread exists. Are some of you on here the same people that were on th 'Kane Show" thread?

How dead is your life that you can while away hours at a time on here speculating as to facts that may NEVER be conclusively determined? Am I missing something? What is your secondary gain from grinding away at this?

Takes our mind off all the other crap going on in the world. How dead is your life that you hop on here to criticize people discussing an unsolved mystery?

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Anonymous wrote:Is hiking some trendy fad with liberal yuppies? This couple was clearly very into it — to the point of risking their health/life for it. And just now NYT shared a story on their main social media accounts reviewing hiking boots.

What’s the allure? I’m not anti nature but hiking is pretty boring.

Then don't go?

LOL now I'm sucked into the thread. Allure? Liberal yuppies? NYT?

Hiking is boring? It beats the hell out of the sedentary pastimes of your Qanon cohort.

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Anonymous wrote:Going for a recreational hike anywhere when it's 95+ outside is not a good idea. Look at all the people they have to rescue from bill goat trail near the Potomac every year.

This is absolutely not true in low humidity areas. I live in Northern California and hike all summer in 95+ temperatures. Be smart in choosing your hikes and carry plenty of water and you'll be fine.

People die every month in 'low humidity areas' while hiking in 90F - 100F weather. A woman hiking with an experienced date just died in Phoenix, Arizona.
https://www.azfamily.com/news/woman-who-died-hiking-camelback-mountain-was-with-phoenix-officer/article_c5da8612-f340-11eb-a3a8-57a0ab85303a.html

Her date might have been experienced, but she was not. And neither had any water with them. And this was a mountain.

And this family was completely experienced - had hiked in multiple deserts - had water on them - was hiking difficult terrain. Still died.

They went on guided tours overseas. The planning, the supplies, itinerary for the Gobi Desert trek and Iceland glacier trip wouldn’t have been done by this couple. They’re more adventure tourists rather than experienced hikers.

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Anonymous wrote:Going for a recreational hike anywhere when it's 95+ outside is not a good idea. Look at all the people they have to rescue from bill goat trail near the Potomac every year.

This is absolutely not true in low humidity areas. I live in Northern California and hike all summer in 95+ temperatures. Be smart in choosing your hikes and carry plenty of water and you'll be fine.

People die every month in 'low humidity areas' while hiking in 90F - 100F weather. A woman hiking with an experienced date just died in Phoenix, Arizona.
https://www.azfamily.com/news/woman-who-died-hiking-camelback-mountain-was-with-phoenix-officer/article_c5da8612-f340-11eb-a3a8-57a0ab85303a.html

Her date might have been experienced, but she was not. And neither had any water with them. And this was a mountain.

And this family was completely experienced - had hiked in multiple deserts - had water on them - was hiking difficult terrain. Still died.

They went on guided tours overseas. The planning, the supplies, itinerary for the Gobi Desert trek and Iceland glacier trip wouldn’t have been done by this couple. They’re more adventure tourists rather than experienced hikers.

You have no fcking clue what they have or haven’t done.

Stop speculating out of your sphincter.