Has Duran gone mad? (APS)

[Anonymous]

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Newsflash--any family that would send their child to hybrid faces the same transmission risk as a teacher/teacher's family. This is not an unbalanced equation where teachers solely and uniquely bear the risk.

News flash to you- parents sending their kids are voluntarily taking that risk and have the option not to. Teachers are being told to return or take leave without pay. So if they want a job, they have to take what they may view as an unwanted risk to do so to accommodate the choices of the parents. NOT THE SAME

Same for every mother-bleeping person who has a job that requires them to be physically present. We know this. If virtual learning was a successful model for elementary--someone would have already capitalized on that and turned a profit. Turns out its not. So, here we are, alongside every grocery, gas station, mechanic, general contractor, veterinarian, dentist, doctor, nurse, national security, armed services etc etc etc employee who has been working in person already, and guess what--not sending their kids to school in person.

so true.. what profession, outside of teaching, that is meant to be in-person is not back to being in-person with safety measures?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Newsflash--any family that would send their child to hybrid faces the same transmission risk as a teacher/teacher's family. This is not an unbalanced equation where teachers solely and uniquely bear the risk.

News flash to you- parents sending their kids are voluntarily taking that risk and have the option not to. Teachers are being told to return or take leave without pay. So if they want a job, they have to take what they may view as an unwanted risk to do so to accommodate the choices of the parents. NOT THE SAME

Same for every mother-bleeping person who has a job that requires them to be physically present. We know this. If virtual learning was a successful model for elementary--someone would have already capitalized on that and turned a profit. Turns out its not. So, here we are, alongside every grocery, gas station, mechanic, general contractor, veterinarian, dentist, doctor, nurse, national security, armed services etc etc etc employee who has been working in person already, and guess what--not sending their kids to school in person.

Once again for the dim people, their job does NOT "require them to be physically present." It is 2020. The Iternet exists. Their job is being done safely from home. You're mad and yelling and screaming about it because in your *opinion,* it is not good enough, but since teachers don't work for you (please don't try the hilarious pittance "property tax" BS again), it doesn't matter what you think is good enough.

Please tell me how dentists, mechanics, general contractors can work from home. I’ll wait. You seem to be the dim one and that’s extremely generous.

??? Are you seriously asking this question? Do you not understand that the work environments are completely different? I am a parent and even I can see that in-person schooling requires a much greater amount of risk for teachers than it would be if their profession were to be a dentist or mechanic or general contractor.

Seriously? My younger ES kids just went to the dentist this past week..all the while I was laughing to myself that kids can have a dentist with a mask on, poking around their mouth yet they can't go into a classroom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:



Newsflash--any family that would send their child to hybrid faces the same transmission risk as a teacher/teacher's family. This is not an unbalanced equation where teachers solely and uniquely bear the risk.



News flash to you- parents sending their kids are voluntarily taking that risk and have the option not to. Teachers are being told to return or take leave without pay. So if they want a job, they have to take what they may view as an unwanted risk to do so to accommodate the choices of the parents. NOT THE SAME



Same for every mother-bleeping person who has a job that requires them to be physically present. We know this. If virtual learning was a successful model for elementary--someone would have already capitalized on that and turned a profit. Turns out its not. So, here we are, alongside every grocery, gas station, mechanic, general contractor, veterinarian, dentist, doctor, nurse, national security, armed services etc etc etc employee who has been working in person already, and guess what--not sending their kids to school in person.



Once again for the dim people, their job does NOT "require them to be physically present." It is 2020. The Iternet exists. Their job is being done safely from home. You're mad and yelling and screaming about it because in your *opinion,* it is not good enough, but since teachers don't work for you (please don't try the hilarious pittance "property tax" BS again), it doesn't matter what you think is good enough.



Please tell me how dentists, mechanics, general contractors can work from home. I’ll wait. You seem to be the dim one and that’s extremely generous.



??? Are you seriously asking this question? Do you not understand that the work environments are completely different? I am a parent and even I can see that in-person schooling requires a much greater amount of risk for teachers than it would be if their profession were to be a dentist or mechanic or general contractor.



Seriously? My younger ES kids just went to the dentist this past week..all the while I was laughing to myself that kids can have a dentist with a mask on, poking around their mouth yet they can't go into a classroom.

Were they in the dentist's chair for 6 hours? Were there 28 other people in the room, too? With poor ventilation and no windows that open? If not, I'm laughing at you for your poor comparison.

[Anonymous]

I have not read the whole thread, but as an Arlington parent -- I just want to see a date set and steps taken to make it safe for kids to go back 5 days per week.

Fall 2021 should be 5 day. We should not fight amongst each other, but all encourage County Board and School Board to do the right thing. I am not "open schools now" as the current numbers are really bad and the vaccine is so promising.

But MUST set a reasonable date - I suggest first day of school Fall 2021 -- and take the steps necessary to open schools 5 days per week then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:



Newsflash--any family that would send their child to hybrid faces the same transmission risk as a teacher/teacher's family. This is not an unbalanced equation where teachers solely and uniquely bear the risk.



News flash to you- parents sending their kids are voluntarily taking that risk and have the option not to. Teachers are being told to return or take leave without pay. So if they want a job, they have to take what they may view as an unwanted risk to do so to accommodate the choices of the parents. NOT THE SAME



Same for every mother-bleeping person who has a job that requires them to be physically present. We know this. If virtual learning was a successful model for elementary--someone would have already capitalized on that and turned a profit. Turns out its not. So, here we are, alongside every grocery, gas station, mechanic, general contractor, veterinarian, dentist, doctor, nurse, national security, armed services etc etc etc employee who has been working in person already, and guess what--not sending their kids to school in person.



Once again for the dim people, their job does NOT "require them to be physically present." It is 2020. The Iternet exists. Their job is being done safely from home. You're mad and yelling and screaming about it because in your *opinion,* it is not good enough, but since teachers don't work for you (please don't try the hilarious pittance "property tax" BS again), it doesn't matter what you think is good enough.



Please tell me how dentists, mechanics, general contractors can work from home. I’ll wait. You seem to be the dim one and that’s extremely generous.



??? Are you seriously asking this question? Do you not understand that the work environments are completely different? I am a parent and even I can see that in-person schooling requires a much greater amount of risk for teachers than it would be if their profession were to be a dentist or mechanic or general contractor.



Seriously? My younger ES kids just went to the dentist this past week..all the while I was laughing to myself that kids can have a dentist with a mask on, poking around their mouth yet they can't go into a classroom.

Were they in the dentist's chair for 6 hours? Were there 28 other people in the room, too? With poor ventilation and no windows that open? If not, I'm laughing at you for your poor comparison.

Well, neither will you. Hybrid is 5 hours a day max with 12 kids MAX but inflate the numbers all you want. I'm sure it will sway everyone over to your viewpoint.

[Anonymous]

I agree with making every effort to open 5 days a week by the fall. I do NOT agree with the APE position to open all levels of school NOW. And they literally mean NOW. I agree with opening NOW, or at least soon, for K-2 who want to go back and kids with disabilities and struggling EL students. I think the idea of opening NOW for middle and high school with changing classes and increased vulnerability to the virus is simply unsupported in both the science and frankly, not nearly as urgent in terms of the data on learning loss.

[Anonymous]

Well, neither will you. Hybrid is 5 hours a day max with 12 kids MAX but inflate the numbers all you want. I'm sure it will sway everyone over to your viewpoint.

In elementary that is NOT hybrid. Maybe for students the exposure will be reduced with about 9-10 per class space. But a single teacher with an assistant will be roving between both groups, bringing the exposure between those groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:



Newsflash--any family that would send their child to hybrid faces the same transmission risk as a teacher/teacher's family. This is not an unbalanced equation where teachers solely and uniquely bear the risk.



News flash to you- parents sending their kids are voluntarily taking that risk and have the option not to. Teachers are being told to return or take leave without pay. So if they want a job, they have to take what they may view as an unwanted risk to do so to accommodate the choices of the parents. NOT THE SAME



Same for every mother-bleeping person who has a job that requires them to be physically present. We know this. If virtual learning was a successful model for elementary--someone would have already capitalized on that and turned a profit. Turns out its not. So, here we are, alongside every grocery, gas station, mechanic, general contractor, veterinarian, dentist, doctor, nurse, national security, armed services etc etc etc employee who has been working in person already, and guess what--not sending their kids to school in person.



Once again for the dim people, their job does NOT "require them to be physically present." It is 2020. The Iternet exists. Their job is being done safely from home. You're mad and yelling and screaming about it because in your *opinion,* it is not good enough, but since teachers don't work for you (please don't try the hilarious pittance "property tax" BS again), it doesn't matter what you think is good enough.



Please tell me how dentists, mechanics, general contractors can work from home. I’ll wait. You seem to be the dim one and that’s extremely generous.



??? Are you seriously asking this question? Do you not understand that the work environments are completely different? I am a parent and even I can see that in-person schooling requires a much greater amount of risk for teachers than it would be if their profession were to be a dentist or mechanic or general contractor.



Seriously? My younger ES kids just went to the dentist this past week..all the while I was laughing to myself that kids can have a dentist with a mask on, poking around their mouth yet they can't go into a classroom.

Were they in the dentist's chair for 6 hours? Were there 28 other people in the room, too? With poor ventilation and no windows that open? If not, I'm laughing at you for your poor comparison.

Well, neither will you. Hybrid is 5 hours a day max with 12 kids MAX but inflate the numbers all you want. I'm sure it will sway everyone over to your viewpoint.

My dentist has PPE galore (N95 masks, surgical masks, and shields). He only has 4 people max in his offices at a time, and everyone gets a health quiz and temperature check before seeing him. If I really thought my school could follow through on similar mitigation measures, I would be good to go. Leadership gives a good pitch at the school board meetings but, frankly, they don’t ever seem to be able to guarantee anything. The local administrations and teachers are the ones who make it work and I know that my school, at least, can’t ensure the kind of mitigation measures they tout In their powerpoint presentations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree with making every effort to open 5 days a week by the fall. I do NOT agree with the APE position to open all levels of school NOW. And they literally mean NOW. I agree with opening NOW, or at least soon, for K-2 who want to go back and kids with disabilities and struggling EL students. I think the idea of opening NOW for middle and high school with changing classes and increased vulnerability to the virus is simply unsupported in both the science and frankly, not nearly as urgent in terms of the data on learning loss.

We are the silent majority, I think!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree with making every effort to open 5 days a week by the fall. I do NOT agree with the APE position to open all levels of school NOW. And they literally mean NOW. I agree with opening NOW, or at least soon, for K-2 who want to go back and kids with disabilities and struggling EL students. I think the idea of opening NOW for middle and high school with changing classes and increased vulnerability to the virus is simply unsupported in both the science and frankly, not nearly as urgent in terms of the data on learning loss.

You will come up with some reason in the fall they can’t open. That’s why should open now, people like you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with making every effort to open 5 days a week by the fall. I do NOT agree with the APE position to open all levels of school NOW. And they literally mean NOW. I agree with opening NOW, or at least soon, for K-2 who want to go back and kids with disabilities and struggling EL students. I think the idea of opening NOW for middle and high school with changing classes and increased vulnerability to the virus is simply unsupported in both the science and frankly, not nearly as urgent in terms of the data on learning loss.

We are the silent majority, I think!!

I hope so!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:



Newsflash--any family that would send their child to hybrid faces the same transmission risk as a teacher/teacher's family. This is not an unbalanced equation where teachers solely and uniquely bear the risk.



News flash to you- parents sending their kids are voluntarily taking that risk and have the option not to. Teachers are being told to return or take leave without pay. So if they want a job, they have to take what they may view as an unwanted risk to do so to accommodate the choices of the parents. NOT THE SAME



Same for every mother-bleeping person who has a job that requires them to be physically present. We know this. If virtual learning was a successful model for elementary--someone would have already capitalized on that and turned a profit. Turns out its not. So, here we are, alongside every grocery, gas station, mechanic, general contractor, veterinarian, dentist, doctor, nurse, national security, armed services etc etc etc employee who has been working in person already, and guess what--not sending their kids to school in person.



Once again for the dim people, their job does NOT "require them to be physically present." It is 2020. The Iternet exists. Their job is being done safely from home. You're mad and yelling and screaming about it because in your *opinion,* it is not good enough, but since teachers don't work for you (please don't try the hilarious pittance "property tax" BS again), it doesn't matter what you think is good enough.



Please tell me how dentists, mechanics, general contractors can work from home. I’ll wait. You seem to be the dim one and that’s extremely generous.



??? Are you seriously asking this question? Do you not understand that the work environments are completely different? I am a parent and even I can see that in-person schooling requires a much greater amount of risk for teachers than it would be if their profession were to be a dentist or mechanic or general contractor.



Seriously? My younger ES kids just went to the dentist this past week..all the while I was laughing to myself that kids can have a dentist with a mask on, poking around their mouth yet they can't go into a classroom.

Were they in the dentist's chair for 6 hours? Were there 28 other people in the room, too? With poor ventilation and no windows that open? If not, I'm laughing at you for your poor comparison.

Your analogy has failed. Completely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with making every effort to open 5 days a week by the fall. I do NOT agree with the APE position to open all levels of school NOW. And they literally mean NOW. I agree with opening NOW, or at least soon, for K-2 who want to go back and kids with disabilities and struggling EL students. I think the idea of opening NOW for middle and high school with changing classes and increased vulnerability to the virus is simply unsupported in both the science and frankly, not nearly as urgent in terms of the data on learning loss.

You will come up with some reason in the fall they can’t open. That’s why should open now, people like you.

Why would a parent who wants school open suddenly not want school open in fall? It makes complete sense for them to stay closed til Q4 die numbers for come down and those who can to get vaccinated. I am certain all teachers, myself included, see 5 days with masks being very possible in fall and hopefully that’s where we are but we don’t need to rush unvaccinated people in in the PEAK in January for that to happen in august.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with making every effort to open 5 days a week by the fall. I do NOT agree with the APE position to open all levels of school NOW. And they literally mean NOW. I agree with opening NOW, or at least soon, for K-2 who want to go back and kids with disabilities and struggling EL students. I think the idea of opening NOW for middle and high school with changing classes and increased vulnerability to the virus is simply unsupported in both the science and frankly, not nearly as urgent in terms of the data on learning loss.

You will come up with some reason in the fall they can’t open. That’s why should open now, people like you.

This sounds like an argument my 3yo would make. Logic fail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with making every effort to open 5 days a week by the fall. I do NOT agree with the APE position to open all levels of school NOW. And they literally mean NOW. I agree with opening NOW, or at least soon, for K-2 who want to go back and kids with disabilities and struggling EL students. I think the idea of opening NOW for middle and high school with changing classes and increased vulnerability to the virus is simply unsupported in both the science and frankly, not nearly as urgent in terms of the data on learning loss.

You will come up with some reason in the fall they can’t open. That’s why should open now, people like you.

Why would a parent who wants school open suddenly not want school open in fall? It makes complete sense for them to stay closed til Q4 die numbers for come down and those who can to get vaccinated. I am certain all teachers, myself included, see 5 days with masks being very possible in fall and hopefully that’s where we are but we don’t need to rush unvaccinated people in in the PEAK in January for that to happen in august.

I'm willing to bet there will be a big push for kids to be *in* school over the summer if they don't return by March/April.. It's the only way to kick off next Fall on track.