Has Duran gone mad? (APS)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Arlington is going to open schools for K-3 or 5at the first sign of case numbers stabilizing. They realize (although should have known) what damage they have done. Kids aren’t learning and are losing learning every day they aren’t in a classroom.

Really? They have done the damage? Stop being ridiculous. When are people like you going to stop blaming teachers and school systems for things that were beyond their control? This is a pandemic, for chrissake! Do you honestly think they had a crystal ball and knew how long this would last, or how it would play out?

Yes, they. As in the people who have refused to open schools. Blame who you want for that. But teachers bear some of it for their constant lobbying to keep schools virtual. All teachers? No. But those who did bear some of the weight of the harm keeping schools closed have had on kids.

Two oxen in a field harnessed to a plough. One escapes. The other ox, still harnessed, is infuriated. At the farmer, right - the one who forces him to labor, brands him, binds him, and hooks him to the plough? No, at the other ox. How DARE he leave him to plough this field on his own.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Of course teachers can argue for their individual interest. But that does not mean their individual interest is what is best for society and kids as a whole.

A pandemic wasn’t good for society either, genius.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Arlington is going to open schools for K-3 or 5at the first sign of case numbers stabilizing. They realize (although should have known) what damage they have done. Kids aren’t learning and are losing learning every day they aren’t in a classroom.

Really? They have done the damage? Stop being ridiculous. When are people like you going to stop blaming teachers and school systems for things that were beyond their control? This is a pandemic, for chrissake! Do you honestly think they had a crystal ball and knew how long this would last, or how it would play out?

Yes, they. As in the people who have refused to open schools. Blame who you want for that. But teachers bear some of it for their constant lobbying to keep schools virtual. All teachers? No. But those who did bear some of the weight of the harm keeping schools closed have had on kids.

+1

FCPS was going to open schools according to the governor’s guidelines. That is until the staffing issues started to happen and the school board got hounded by the teachers associations. The health department said they could open, that the numbers were ok in our area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Arlington is going to open schools for K-3 or 5at the first sign of case numbers stabilizing. They realize (although should have known) what damage they have done. Kids aren’t learning and are losing learning every day they aren’t in a classroom.

Really? They have done the damage? Stop being ridiculous. When are people like you going to stop blaming teachers and school systems for things that were beyond their control? This is a pandemic, for chrissake! Do you honestly think they had a crystal ball and knew how long this would last, or how it would play out?

Yes, they. As in the people who have refused to open schools. Blame who you want for that. But teachers bear some of it for their constant lobbying to keep schools virtual. All teachers? No. But those who did bear some of the weight of the harm keeping schools closed have had on kids.

They do not deserve any such thing. Their health and their families are not less important to them than your kids. They had every right to ask for safety in a pandemic. You need to be mad at the federal government that failed EVERYONE and created unchecked spread that led us here.

Newsflash--any family that would send their child to hybrid faces the same transmission risk as a teacher/teacher's family. This is not an unbalanced equation where teachers solely and uniquely bear the risk.

[Anonymous]

Newsflash--any family that would send their child to hybrid faces the same transmission risk as a teacher/teacher's family. This is not an unbalanced equation where teachers solely and uniquely bear the risk.

News flash to you- parents sending their kids are voluntarily taking that risk and have the option not to. Teachers are being told to return or take leave without pay. So if they want a job, they have to take what they may view as an unwanted risk to do so to accommodate the choices of the parents. NOT THE SAME

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Arlington is going to open schools for K-3 or 5at the first sign of case numbers stabilizing. They realize (although should have known) what damage they have done. Kids aren’t learning and are losing learning every day they aren’t in a classroom.

Really? They have done the damage? Stop being ridiculous. When are people like you going to stop blaming teachers and school systems for things that were beyond their control? This is a pandemic, for chrissake! Do you honestly think they had a crystal ball and knew how long this would last, or how it would play out?

Yes, they. As in the people who have refused to open schools. Blame who you want for that. But teachers bear some of it for their constant lobbying to keep schools virtual. All teachers? No. But those who did bear some of the weight of the harm keeping schools closed have had on kids.

Two oxen in a field harnessed to a plough. One escapes. The other ox, still harnessed, is infuriated. At the farmer, right - the one who forces him to labor, brands him, binds him, and hooks him to the plough? No, at the other ox. How DARE he leave him to plough this field on his own.

Thank goodness you used the British spelling for something so stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Newsflash--any family that would send their child to hybrid faces the same transmission risk as a teacher/teacher's family. This is not an unbalanced equation where teachers solely and uniquely bear the risk.

News flash to you- parents sending their kids are voluntarily taking that risk and have the option not to. Teachers are being told to return or take leave without pay. So if they want a job, they have to take what they may view as an unwanted risk to do so to accommodate the choices of the parents. NOT THE SAME

Same for every mother-bleeping person who has a job that requires them to be physically present. We know this. If virtual learning was a successful model for elementary--someone would have already capitalized on that and turned a profit. Turns out its not. So, here we are, alongside every grocery, gas station, mechanic, general contractor, veterinarian, dentist, doctor, nurse, national security, armed services etc etc etc employee who has been working in person already, and guess what--not sending their kids to school in person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The APE person that speaks at our PTA meetings thinks that everyone who selected hybrid wants schools to open right now. She said that.

So what? You and many other posters seem to have forgotten that APE is nothing more than a Facebook group. A group of parents exchanging comments on social media. They are not organized in the way a PTA

There are posters here like you who seem to think that this person or any person can speak on behalf of this Facebook group? Are you seriously so dumb that you don’t get that it’s group on social media???

You have no idea what APE is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Think the point is that members of this group are asserting some pretty extreme views.

You mean on AEM - yes you are right just recently someone who I believe is actually an APS employee posted how any return to school would equal death !😱 can you imagine if they tell that to their own child or worse students? Many of those on AEM really have strong paranoia. At times there are posts that even the CDC is not to be believed and they aren’t a valid source of information.

You sounds like a Trumper. Everyone knows he pressured the CDC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Stop expecting teachers to shut up and be martyrs. They are allowed to advocate for safe working conditions and speak out if they don’t feel comfortable returning. Teachers are doing a job and they deserve to feel safe. The demonization some push when they don’t get their way is disgusting. If you hate us so much why do you let us spend more time with your own children than you do.

Easy. They view you like hired help, not a professional.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Arlington is going to open schools for K-3 or 5at the first sign of case numbers stabilizing. They realize (although should have known) what damage they have done. Kids aren’t learning and are losing learning every day they aren’t in a classroom.

Really? They have done the damage? Stop being ridiculous. When are people like you going to stop blaming teachers and school systems for things that were beyond their control? This is a pandemic, for chrissake! Do you honestly think they had a crystal ball and knew how long this would last, or how it would play out?

You don't need a crystal ball to look at what so many other public and private systems around the good ole USA have done to open, not to mention pretty much every single other developed country. We are inexcusably behind any reasonable curve on this one.

And many more public school systems "around the good ole USA" have NOT opened in person, which you people seem to conveniently forget to mention, and pretend that no one in the country is in DL during a pandemic except your district. Idiotic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Newsflash--any family that would send their child to hybrid faces the same transmission risk as a teacher/teacher's family. This is not an unbalanced equation where teachers solely and uniquely bear the risk.

News flash to you- parents sending their kids are voluntarily taking that risk and have the option not to. Teachers are being told to return or take leave without pay. So if they want a job, they have to take what they may view as an unwanted risk to do so to accommodate the choices of the parents. NOT THE SAME

Same for every mother-bleeping person who has a job that requires them to be physically present. We know this. If virtual learning was a successful model for elementary--someone would have already capitalized on that and turned a profit. Turns out its not. So, here we are, alongside every grocery, gas station, mechanic, general contractor, veterinarian, dentist, doctor, nurse, national security, armed services etc etc etc employee who has been working in person already, and guess what--not sending their kids to school in person.

Once again for the dim people, their job does NOT "require them to be physically present." It is 2020. The Iternet exists. Their job is being done safely from home. You're mad and yelling and screaming about it because in your *opinion,* it is not good enough, but since teachers don't work for you (please don't try the hilarious pittance "property tax" BS again), it doesn't matter what you think is good enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Newsflash--any family that would send their child to hybrid faces the same transmission risk as a teacher/teacher's family. This is not an unbalanced equation where teachers solely and uniquely bear the risk.

News flash to you- parents sending their kids are voluntarily taking that risk and have the option not to. Teachers are being told to return or take leave without pay. So if they want a job, they have to take what they may view as an unwanted risk to do so to accommodate the choices of the parents. NOT THE SAME

Same for every mother-bleeping person who has a job that requires them to be physically present. We know this. If virtual learning was a successful model for elementary--someone would have already capitalized on that and turned a profit. Turns out its not. So, here we are, alongside every grocery, gas station, mechanic, general contractor, veterinarian, dentist, doctor, nurse, national security, armed services etc etc etc employee who has been working in person already, and guess what--not sending their kids to school in person.

Once again for the dim people, their job does NOT "require them to be physically present." It is 2020. The Iternet exists. Their job is being done safely from home. You're mad and yelling and screaming about it because in your *opinion,* it is not good enough, but since teachers don't work for you (please don't try the hilarious pittance "property tax" BS again), it doesn't matter what you think is good enough.

Please tell me how dentists, mechanics, general contractors can work from home. I’ll wait. You seem to be the dim one and that’s extremely generous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Newsflash--any family that would send their child to hybrid faces the same transmission risk as a teacher/teacher's family. This is not an unbalanced equation where teachers solely and uniquely bear the risk.

News flash to you- parents sending their kids are voluntarily taking that risk and have the option not to. Teachers are being told to return or take leave without pay. So if they want a job, they have to take what they may view as an unwanted risk to do so to accommodate the choices of the parents. NOT THE SAME

Same for every mother-bleeping person who has a job that requires them to be physically present. We know this. If virtual learning was a successful model for elementary--someone would have already capitalized on that and turned a profit. Turns out its not. So, here we are, alongside every grocery, gas station, mechanic, general contractor, veterinarian, dentist, doctor, nurse, national security, armed services etc etc etc employee who has been working in person already, and guess what--not sending their kids to school in person.

Once again for the dim people, their job does NOT "require them to be physically present." It is 2020. The Iternet exists. Their job is being done safely from home. You're mad and yelling and screaming about it because in your *opinion,* it is not good enough, but since teachers don't work for you (please don't try the hilarious pittance "property tax" BS again), it doesn't matter what you think is good enough.

Please tell me how dentists, mechanics, general contractors can work from home. I’ll wait. You seem to be the dim one and that’s extremely generous.

??? Are you seriously asking this question? Do you not understand that the work environments are completely different? I am a parent and even I can see that in-person schooling requires a much greater amount of risk for teachers than it would be if their profession were to be a dentist or mechanic or general contractor.

[Anonymous]

Precisely what, about anything Duran has said since he got here, makes you believe it will actually happen? Certainly not his track record.