Amy Coney Barrett- what in the actual F?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You can all say nasty things but none of you have adopted kids of your own.

I have two internationally adopted children and my husband and I are both attorneys so I have a lot of thoughts on this subject. Adopted children need so much time and attention to deal with the loss, grieving, and trauma. This is not a one time thing, this is at every developmental stage and especially in the teen years dealing with self identity. I can’t phantom any large family being able to do this well. My grandmother had 7 kids and my father and his siblings love to trade stories of how little attention they got as a joke. With adopted kids that would not be funny. Putting that first issue aside, I just feel terrible for what her adopted children are going to read as they get older. ACB clearly needs a lot more adoption education training on how to talk about her children but more importantly how NOT to talk about them.

Except that, I’m quite sure she and her husband have had many conversations with their children about how they would like to be portrayed in the media. Obviously, she is not going to say anything about them that they wouldn’t approve of first. But sure, continue making absurd assumptions about her, all because you don’t want her confirmed.

The irony here is that her kids are going to read horrible threads like this one if they do any googling. I hope you a$$holes know that YOU are the ones putting out horrible and untrue things about the Barretts - not them. So congratulations. Nicely done.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So it seems the bizarre trolls here would a) prefer ACB had left these children to languish in an orphanage, b) prefer she never speak of the fact that they were indeed adopted, or c) leave them at home at all times so that no one need be reminded that she and her husband adopted two black children.

You people are beyond disgusting. There really is no hope for you.

Let me explain something to you. And this has to do with BK as well. While I understand many judges would consider a Supreme Court nomination the culmination of everything they have worked for, the truly just would realize that it is not about them as much as what is best for every American in this country. ACB wouldn't be where she is without the work of RBG. She would have to be incredibly ignorant not to realize the hypocrisy of her appointment at this particular time. BK cried and talked about beer because he wanted the job so bad without any regard to what might be best for this country as a whole. People aren't giving ACB a hard time for being an adoptive parent (although it might be appropriate in this situation given the fact that she has denounced IVF and reproductive rights), they are angry that she is using her children as props and not people. If she had any ounce of integrity she would recuse herself immediately for too many reasons that have all been discussed on this forum. Dark money politicized judges make all courts obsolete. We've got a lot of work ahead of us after November.

Wow. So much to unpack here. You clearly think you’re in a position to school others, which is amusing. ACB has never “denounced” IVF or birth control. Provide links to back up those absurd claims. In fact: The judge argued that it's "shockingly unlikely" the Supreme Court will overturn Griswold.
"I think that Griswold is very, very, very, very, very, very unlikely to go anywhere," Barrett said.
She added later, "I would be surprised if birth control was about to be criminalized." https://www.businessinsider.com/amy-coney-barrett-scotus-precedents-legalizing-birth-control-lgbtq-relationships-2020-10 She is under no obligation to give her personal opinion on any issue, and your ridiculous hyperbole only makes you look stupid.

She also cannot answer abstract, hypothetical questions - such as anything about IVF - as you should know. She’s a sitting judge and as such is not allowed to give personal opinions on anything other than her own writings and decisions. Not sure why you can’t get that through your head. Especially since that concept is called the Ginsburg rule.

And you really don’t want to bring up dark money. There is far more of it on the left. Fun fact.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/19/dark-money-democrats-midterm-071725

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/democrats-used-rail-against-dark-money-now-they-re-better-n1239830

https://www.wsj.com/articles/notable-quotable-ted-cruz-on-sheldon-whitehouse-and-his-friend-the-judge-11602714506


Drinking the kool-aid....down down down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This article perfectly sums up the attitude of liberals insisting ACB has done anything in any way nefarious regarding the way she speaks about her adopted children. Guarantee: if she was a liberal, the very same critics would be praising her nonstop. You people are completely transparent, not to mention unhinged.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/10/16/barrett-children-adopted-racist-slur/

“These descriptions of Barrett’s remarks are remarkably uncharitable. To understand why she might tell a story involving Vivian’s strength, a humane observer might want to consider that when Barrett and her husband brought Vivian home, she was 14 months old yet weighed a mere 11 pounds. It wasn’t clear whether she’d survive. That Barrett would boast of her daughter’s ability to weight-lift as much as men isn’t a racially motivated dismissal of her intellectual accomplishments: It is a testament to the miracle of her life.

And these were the comments that supposedly reduced John Peter to a racist stereotype: “John Peter joined us shortly after the devastating earthquake in Haiti, and Jesse, who brought him home, still describes the shock on J.P.’s face when he got off the plane in wintertime Chicago. Once that shock wore off, J.P. assumed the happy-go-lucky attitude that is still his signature trait.” It requires hyperpartisan dishonesty to interpret this description as something other than a loving mother describing the personality of her young child.

In the end, it was Barrett and her husband, not their critics, who chose to adopt two children from Haiti and raise them as their own and who made the courageous choice to raise their youngest son, eschewing the more common decision of abortion. For progressives to offer armchair judgments about Barrett’s family in an effort to delegitimize her illustrates their willingness to prioritize ideology above simple humanity.

It is a weak opinion piece that refutes nothing. In this young conservative woman's opinion, there are no legit grounds to criticize Barrett's family choices, and therefore the criticism is dishonest and partisan. And actually Barrett is perfect and wonderful. Because she says so, I guess.

That your opinion gets published in the Wapo doesn't make it true, or intelligent or scathing.

Trumpers have difficulty deciphering information and its contexts, thinking critically and seeing any issue from the other side.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This article perfectly sums up the attitude of liberals insisting ACB has done anything in any way nefarious regarding the way she speaks about her adopted children. Guarantee: if she was a liberal, the very same critics would be praising her nonstop. You people are completely transparent, not to mention unhinged.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/10/16/barrett-children-adopted-racist-slur/

“These descriptions of Barrett’s remarks are remarkably uncharitable. To understand why she might tell a story involving Vivian’s strength, a humane observer might want to consider that when Barrett and her husband brought Vivian home, she was 14 months old yet weighed a mere 11 pounds. It wasn’t clear whether she’d survive. That Barrett would boast of her daughter’s ability to weight-lift as much as men isn’t a racially motivated dismissal of her intellectual accomplishments: It is a testament to the miracle of her life.

And these were the comments that supposedly reduced John Peter to a racist stereotype: “John Peter joined us shortly after the devastating earthquake in Haiti, and Jesse, who brought him home, still describes the shock on J.P.’s face when he got off the plane in wintertime Chicago. Once that shock wore off, J.P. assumed the happy-go-lucky attitude that is still his signature trait.” It requires hyperpartisan dishonesty to interpret this description as something other than a loving mother describing the personality of her young child.

In the end, it was Barrett and her husband, not their critics, who chose to adopt two children from Haiti and raise them as their own and who made the courageous choice to raise their youngest son, eschewing the more common decision of abortion. For progressives to offer armchair judgments about Barrett’s family in an effort to delegitimize her illustrates their willingness to prioritize ideology above simple humanity.

“You people?” Is that yet another racist dog whistle accompanied by a projection?

It’s unfortunate that so many people seem oblivious to — and/or lack the empathy to imagine — how these kids might feel now and in the future because their parent chose to share potentially sensitive information about them in a very public arena. While I’m sure the kids will be well-placed for jobs and future relationships — everyone who googles them ever will hit stuff like the idea that one child was not expected to walk or talk. That’s on top of the comparisons she made — instead of just saying that it brings her joy to experience her children’s growth.

Maybe it’s a cultural schism here.... how many of you non-Black parents publicly broadcast stuff about your non-Black kids in this manner?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So it seems the bizarre trolls here would a) prefer ACB had left these children to languish in an orphanage, b) prefer she never speak of the fact that they were indeed adopted, or c) leave them at home at all times so that no one need be reminded that she and her husband adopted two black children.

You people are beyond disgusting. There really is no hope for you.

Woosh. 95% of this thread went over your head.

Actually, quite the opposite. It’s crystal clear what you’re trying to do and you’re using her children to do it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This article perfectly sums up the attitude of liberals insisting ACB has done anything in any way nefarious regarding the way she speaks about her adopted children. Guarantee: if she was a liberal, the very same critics would be praising her nonstop. You people are completely transparent, not to mention unhinged.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/10/16/barrett-children-adopted-racist-slur/

“These descriptions of Barrett’s remarks are remarkably uncharitable. To understand why she might tell a story involving Vivian’s strength, a humane observer might want to consider that when Barrett and her husband brought Vivian home, she was 14 months old yet weighed a mere 11 pounds. It wasn’t clear whether she’d survive. That Barrett would boast of her daughter’s ability to weight-lift as much as men isn’t a racially motivated dismissal of her intellectual accomplishments: It is a testament to the miracle of her life.

And these were the comments that supposedly reduced John Peter to a racist stereotype: “John Peter joined us shortly after the devastating earthquake in Haiti, and Jesse, who brought him home, still describes the shock on J.P.’s face when he got off the plane in wintertime Chicago. Once that shock wore off, J.P. assumed the happy-go-lucky attitude that is still his signature trait.” It requires hyperpartisan dishonesty to interpret this description as something other than a loving mother describing the personality of her young child.

In the end, it was Barrett and her husband, not their critics, who chose to adopt two children from Haiti and raise them as their own and who made the courageous choice to raise their youngest son, eschewing the more common decision of abortion. For progressives to offer armchair judgments about Barrett’s family in an effort to delegitimize her illustrates their willingness to prioritize ideology above simple humanity.

“You people?” Is that yet another racist dog whistle accompanied by a projection?

It’s unfortunate that so many people seem oblivious to — and/or lack the empathy to imagine — how these kids might feel now and in the future because their parent chose to share potentially sensitive information about them in a very public arena. While I’m sure the kids will be well-placed for jobs and future relationships — everyone who googles them ever will hit stuff like the idea that one child was not expected to walk or talk. That’s on top of the comparisons she made — instead of just saying that it brings her joy to experience her children’s growth.

Maybe it’s a cultural schism here.... how many of you non-Black parents publicly broadcast stuff about your non-Black kids in this manner?

“You people” refers to those of you who are idiots. Idiots come in all colors. If you are one of the people calling out ACB for lovingly talking about her children, in a wholly inoffensive way, then you are one of the idiots to which I was referring. Just so we’re clear.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can all say nasty things but none of you have adopted kids of your own.

I have two internationally adopted children and my husband and I are both attorneys so I have a lot of thoughts on this subject. Adopted children need so much time and attention to deal with the loss, grieving, and trauma. This is not a one time thing, this is at every developmental stage and especially in the teen years dealing with self identity. I can’t phantom any large family being able to do this well. My grandmother had 7 kids and my father and his siblings love to trade stories of how little attention they got as a joke. With adopted kids that would not be funny. Putting that first issue aside, I just feel terrible for what her adopted children are going to read as they get older. ACB clearly needs a lot more adoption education training on how to talk about her children but more importantly how NOT to talk about them.

Except that, I’m quite sure she and her husband have had many conversations with their children about how they would like to be portrayed in the media. Obviously, she is not going to say anything about them that they wouldn’t approve of first. But sure, continue making absurd assumptions about her, all because you don’t want her confirmed.

The irony here is that her kids are going to read horrible threads like this one if they do any googling. I hope you a$$holes know that YOU are the ones putting out horrible and untrue things about the Barretts - not them. So congratulations. Nicely done.

Really? Really really? Because I am quite sure that they did NOT have even one conversation about this. I also do not think it is obvious at all that she would get their approval. Now, tell me how you can feel so sure. Do you live with them? Where did you get the idea that this is how things would happen in her household? Talk about absurd assumptions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can all say nasty things but none of you have adopted kids of your own.

I have two internationally adopted children and my husband and I are both attorneys so I have a lot of thoughts on this subject. Adopted children need so much time and attention to deal with the loss, grieving, and trauma. This is not a one time thing, this is at every developmental stage and especially in the teen years dealing with self identity. I can’t phantom any large family being able to do this well. My grandmother had 7 kids and my father and his siblings love to trade stories of how little attention they got as a joke. With adopted kids that would not be funny. Putting that first issue aside, I just feel terrible for what her adopted children are going to read as they get older. ACB clearly needs a lot more adoption education training on how to talk about her children but more importantly how NOT to talk about them.

Except that, I’m quite sure she and her husband have had many conversations with their children about how they would like to be portrayed in the media. Obviously, she is not going to say anything about them that they wouldn’t approve of first. But sure, continue making absurd assumptions about her, all because you don’t want her confirmed.

The irony here is that her kids are going to read horrible threads like this one if they do any googling. I hope you a$$holes know that YOU are the ones putting out horrible and untrue things about the Barretts - not them. So congratulations. Nicely done.

Yep. I’m SURE that a 10 year old and a 13 year old have the foresight and the courage to tell their Mom not to say anything that could adversely impact them in a decade or two. /S

I don’t want her confirmed.
That’s completely separate from my anger at the way she’s presenting her too-young-to-fight-back Black children to the world.

Lol: And there’s no irony in using profanity in a thread that you expect the kids to read?

If they do read it, I hope they see a community of strangers who genuinely want the best for them, and I hope their view is that this is much ado about nothing. I also hope that my concerns about the difficulties that many Black kids adopted by white families face turn out to be irrelevant for them. I wish all of them well as a family — even as I express my concerns re: the very public hubris of Ms Barrett.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cringed of her description of her adoptive children. Major white savior complex.

Yep, I also cringed. Describing her biological children in academic terms and describing her Haitian children as happy go lucky and a good athlete.

NP. I think from the position her adopted children were in originally (deeply affected by trauma, etc) this is an outcome that the family should be incredibly proud of.

Exactly this. This is how I immediately took it. Of course, I wasn’t looking for something to be offended by, or a gotcha moment. Can’t say the same about the OP or her minions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This article perfectly sums up the attitude of liberals insisting ACB has done anything in any way nefarious regarding the way she speaks about her adopted children. Guarantee: if she was a liberal, the very same critics would be praising her nonstop. You people are completely transparent, not to mention unhinged.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/10/16/barrett-children-adopted-racist-slur/

“These descriptions of Barrett’s remarks are remarkably uncharitable. To understand why she might tell a story involving Vivian’s strength, a humane observer might want to consider that when Barrett and her husband brought Vivian home, she was 14 months old yet weighed a mere 11 pounds. It wasn’t clear whether she’d survive. That Barrett would boast of her daughter’s ability to weight-lift as much as men isn’t a racially motivated dismissal of her intellectual accomplishments: It is a testament to the miracle of her life.

And these were the comments that supposedly reduced John Peter to a racist stereotype: “John Peter joined us shortly after the devastating earthquake in Haiti, and Jesse, who brought him home, still describes the shock on J.P.’s face when he got off the plane in wintertime Chicago. Once that shock wore off, J.P. assumed the happy-go-lucky attitude that is still his signature trait.” It requires hyperpartisan dishonesty to interpret this description as something other than a loving mother describing the personality of her young child.

In the end, it was Barrett and her husband, not their critics, who chose to adopt two children from Haiti and raise them as their own and who made the courageous choice to raise their youngest son, eschewing the more common decision of abortion. For progressives to offer armchair judgments about Barrett’s family in an effort to delegitimize her illustrates their willingness to prioritize ideology above simple humanity.

“You people?” Is that yet another racist dog whistle accompanied by a projection?

It’s unfortunate that so many people seem oblivious to — and/or lack the empathy to imagine — how these kids might feel now and in the future because their parent chose to share potentially sensitive information about them in a very public arena. While I’m sure the kids will be well-placed for jobs and future relationships — everyone who googles them ever will hit stuff like the idea that one child was not expected to walk or talk. That’s on top of the comparisons she made — instead of just saying that it brings her joy to experience her children’s growth.

Maybe it’s a cultural schism here.... how many of you non-Black parents publicly broadcast stuff about your non-Black kids in this manner?

“You people” refers to those of you who are idiots. Idiots come in all colors. If you are one of the people calling out ACB for lovingly talking about her children, in a wholly inoffensive way, then you are one of the idiots to which I was referring. Just so we’re clear.

Name calling without being able to address any of the points I raised — is pretty “idiotic” actually, to use your words.
There is no “we”. But I’m quite clear. Peace out. The hubris is thick here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cringed of her description of her adoptive children. Major white savior complex.

Yep, I also cringed. Describing her biological children in academic terms and describing her Haitian children as happy go lucky and a good athlete.

NP. I think from the position her adopted children were in originally (deeply affected by trauma, etc) this is an outcome that the family should be incredibly proud of.

She could have said something other than happy go lucky and good athlete. I'm sure they have other skills and abilities.

But, why is she even talking about her kids and not about how she would interpret the law? That's what I want to hear about. Any rich person can adopt a couple kids.

Because she was introducing her family - just as other nominees with young children have done. Duh. And she answered three days worth of detailed questions about the law. Also, she’s not going to discuss “how she would interpret the law”. She doesn’t have to, nor is she allowed to. As has already been discussed repeatedly. Keep up.
DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can all say nasty things but none of you have adopted kids of your own.

I have two internationally adopted children and my husband and I are both attorneys so I have a lot of thoughts on this subject. Adopted children need so much time and attention to deal with the loss, grieving, and trauma. This is not a one time thing, this is at every developmental stage and especially in the teen years dealing with self identity. I can’t phantom any large family being able to do this well. My grandmother had 7 kids and my father and his siblings love to trade stories of how little attention they got as a joke. With adopted kids that would not be funny. Putting that first issue aside, I just feel terrible for what her adopted children are going to read as they get older. ACB clearly needs a lot more adoption education training on how to talk about her children but more importantly how NOT to talk about them.

Except that, I’m quite sure she and her husband have had many conversations with their children about how they would like to be portrayed in the media. Obviously, she is not going to say anything about them that they wouldn’t approve of first. But sure, continue making absurd assumptions about her, all because you don’t want her confirmed.

The irony here is that her kids are going to read horrible threads like this one if they do any googling. I hope you a$$holes know that YOU are the ones putting out horrible and untrue things about the Barretts - not them. So congratulations. Nicely done.

Yep. I’m SURE that a 10 year old and a 13 year old have the foresight and the courage to tell their Mom not to say anything that could adversely impact them in a decade or two. /S

I don’t want her confirmed.
That’s completely separate from my anger at the way she’s presenting her too-young-to-fight-back Black children to the world.

Lol: And there’s no irony in using profanity in a thread that you expect the kids to read?

If they do read it, I hope they see a community of strangers who genuinely want the best for them, and I hope their view is that this is much ado about nothing. I also hope that my concerns about the difficulties that many Black kids adopted by white families face turn out to be irrelevant for them. I wish all of them well as a family — even as I express my concerns re: the very public hubris of Ms Barrett.

Speaking of hubris, how do you anoint yourself as one who knows better than a parent how children should be raised. You have an opinion but a bigger ax to grind because you do not like Barrett.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cringed of her description of her adoptive children. Major white savior complex.

Yep, I also cringed. Describing her biological children in academic terms and describing her Haitian children as happy go lucky and a good athlete.

NP. I think from the position her adopted children were in originally (deeply affected by trauma, etc) this is an outcome that the family should be incredibly proud of.

So if academic skills for these two siblings are totally off the table, why highlight that in a prepared text? Why not praise all the kids for being good people who are a pleasure to know and have in the family?

It's the defined contrast that raises eyebrows.

I have a client who adopted two black children. Both girls are great athletes and both having learning disabilities. She posts constantky about their athletic achievements and never mentions their learning issues. I see nothing wrong with her comments

I agree completely. I have an adopted child from an African nation. If I were to describe my 4 children (3 bios/1 adopted), I would be concentrating on their strengths PERIOD. Which for one of my biological children would NOT be academics!!! And actually probably would not be for my adopted child either, as her strengths lie in her musical talent and love of animals (she is only 10), and only for 2 of my bio children would their biggest achievements be academic. I love my children equally and they have many abilities and wonderful traits. I see nothing wrong with what she said at all.

+1,000
In addition, for all we know, she sat down with each child and asked what traits they’d like her to mention. That’s what I would do with my kids - ask interesting facts about themselves they’d like me to talk about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cringed of her description of her adoptive children. Major white savior complex.

Yep, I also cringed. Describing her biological children in academic terms and describing her Haitian children as happy go lucky and a good athlete.

NP. I think from the position her adopted children were in originally (deeply affected by trauma, etc) this is an outcome that the family should be incredibly proud of.

They SHOULD be proud of these accomplishments. They should also be respectful of the kids and leave it up to them to share their own stories. AND they should have enough of an understanding of the realities of racial stereotyping to avoid doing just that — particularly with minor children who may not be be able to object or to anticipate the potential long term consequences of what their parent chose to emphasize about them. It’s not hard to imagine the kids being teased or adversely affected in the future by this information dump.

And yet, for all YOU know, her kids asked her to mention these very individual descriptions of each child; maybe they all sat down and helped write that introduction. It’s really astonishing how you think you should be able to tell the Barretts - a loving family, by all accounts - what to say and not say about THEIR OWN KIDS. Maybe pay more attention to your OWN family and stop obsessing over hers?
DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cringed of her description of her adoptive children. Major white savior complex.

Yep, I also cringed. Describing her biological children in academic terms and describing her Haitian children as happy go lucky and a good athlete.

NP. I think from the position her adopted children were in originally (deeply affected by trauma, etc) this is an outcome that the family should be incredibly proud of.

So if academic skills for these two siblings are totally off the table, why highlight that in a prepared text? Why not praise all the kids for being good people who are a pleasure to know and have in the family?

It's the defined contrast that raises eyebrows.

Yes! This!
I hadn’t realized that this was from a prepared text. That makes the contrast exponentially worse — that she thought about it, maybe ran it by a few people, and still chose to sharply contrast her kids with each other in this way.

I know, right?! Maybe she actually (gasp!) ran it by her own children to see what they thought! Or maybe she had her own children write out what they wanted her to say about them! So many possibilities here - too bad you have no right to know anything about it.