Grandpa from Cruise ship tragedy charged

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So....assuming PR/American laws, can someone answer the question about whether the family can see the tape before the trial?

During discovery videos such as this are discoverable. But in some cases they can be held back until after depositions. So grandpa could be forced to give a deposition under oath before they turn over the video.

As a trial lawyer, normally I am happy to show videos early on because often attorneys decide not to sue. But in this case, with the incredible stories that have been told, no way would I show it before I got the deposition.

NP here. Agree. And also RCI cannot be compelled to give the family the tape before any suit has been filed. I’m sure the police have seen it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So....assuming PR/American laws, can someone answer the question about whether the family can see the tape before the trial?

During discovery videos such as this are discoverable. But in some cases they can be held back until after depositions. So grandpa could be forced to give a deposition under oath before they turn over the video.

As a trial lawyer, normally I am happy to show videos early on because often attorneys decide not to sue. But in this case, with the incredible stories that have been told, no way would I show it before I got the deposition.

Thank you. So there is nothing compelling the cruise ship people to hand the tape over before the trial, correct?

Wow, this family doesn't seem to have good odds re: winning the case then - it seems the cruise ship either knows something the family does not, or the cruise ship wants the family to think so. Thoughts (trial lawyer PP)?

Do you think ht is why charges were brought against the grandfather? Leverage?

Charges are criminal (by PR police.) Suit is civil, and doesn’t even technically exist yet. Not related.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So....assuming PR/American laws, can someone answer the question about whether the family can see the tape before the trial?

During discovery videos such as this are discoverable. But in some cases they can be held back until after depositions. So grandpa could be forced to give a deposition under oath before they turn over the video.

As a trial lawyer, normally I am happy to show videos early on because often attorneys decide not to sue. But in this case, with the incredible stories that have been told, no way would I show it before I got the deposition.

Thank you. So there is nothing compelling the cruise ship people to hand the tape over before the trial, correct?

Wow, this family doesn't seem to have good odds re: winning the case then - it seems the cruise ship either knows something the family does not, or the cruise ship wants the family to think so. Thoughts (trial lawyer PP)?

Do you think ht is why charges were brought against the grandfather? Leverage?

Neither the cruise line nor the family would be able to influence a judge or prosecutor to file charges and arrest someone. But knowing that it’s been done means to me that things don’t look good for the grandfather.

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Anonymous wrote:If charges were filed based on the video, then it’s entirely possible the man dropped her on purpose. He could be a psychopath. You never know.

I’m betting he was physically holding her out of the window when she slipped his grip.

Other PP here. This is what I am thinking. Wouldn't it behoove the cruise line to show the tape earlier, rather than later? ie: the cruise line could possibly save the expense of going to trial? Or are they just drawing it out at this point (and for what reason would they do that)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So....assuming PR/American laws, can someone answer the question about whether the family can see the tape before the trial?

During discovery videos such as this are discoverable. But in some cases they can be held back until after depositions. So grandpa could be forced to give a deposition under oath before they turn over the video.

As a trial lawyer, normally I am happy to show videos early on because often attorneys decide not to sue. But in this case, with the incredible stories that have been told, no way would I show it before I got the deposition.

NP here. Agree. And also RCI cannot be compelled to give the family the tape before any suit has been filed. I’m sure the police have seen it.

Okay, so the family is hoping for a settlement before it goes to trial? Not clear on what the family stands to gain here, given that they don't have the tape and it could be worse than they thought (also, possibly/probably incriminating?).

[Anonymous]

PP hre. Not trying to be obtuse. Just wanting to understand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If charges were filed based on the video, then it’s entirely possible the man dropped her on purpose. He could be a psychopath. You never know.

I’m betting he was physically holding her out of the window when she slipped his grip.

Other PP here. This is what I am thinking. Wouldn't it behoove the cruise line to show the tape earlier, rather than later? ie: the cruise line could possibly save the expense of going to trial? Or are they just drawing it out at this point (and for what reason would they do that)?

They have probably been asked by the prosecutors/police to not release the tape until the criminal investigation was done. The criminal defense attorney can now ask for a copy if it’s part of the evidence to be used in court.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If charges were filed based on the video, then it’s entirely possible the man dropped her on purpose. He could be a psychopath. You never know.

I’m betting he was physically holding her out of the window when she slipped his grip.

Other PP here. This is what I am thinking. Wouldn't it behoove the cruise line to show the tape earlier, rather than later? ie: the cruise line could possibly save the expense of going to trial? Or are they just drawing it out at this point (and for what reason would they do that)?

They have probably been asked by the prosecutors/police to not release the tape until the criminal investigation was done. The criminal defense attorney can now ask for a copy if it’s part of the evidence to be used in court.

Got it. TY.

[Anonymous]

I don’t care what the parents have said publicly - they absolutely blame the grandfather. There is no way they could not.

Also banging on any “wall” made of a material that can give way such as a plexiglass wall isn’t a good idea and doesn’t make this situation better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If charges were filed based on the video, then it’s entirely possible the man dropped her on purpose. He could be a psychopath. You never know.

I’m betting he was physically holding her out of the window when she slipped his grip.

Other PP here. This is what I am thinking. Wouldn't it behoove the cruise line to show the tape earlier, rather than later? ie: the cruise line could possibly save the expense of going to trial? Or are they just drawing it out at this point (and for what reason would they do that)?

They have probably been asked by the prosecutors/police to not release the tape until the criminal investigation was done. The criminal defense attorney can now ask for a copy if it’s part of the evidence to be used in court.

This has been my assumption, as well.

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Lawyer's not willing to file suit until he sees the tape and makes sure grandpa isn't lying.

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The family has kept this in the news, has been appearing in interviews, and (themselves and through their lawyer) been very loudly impugning the safety and professionalism of the cruise line.

If there is a quiet settlement, the story left will be one that could really damage -- without reason -- this business. Regardless of anything else required of them, it seems folly for the cruise line representation to offer up a reputation-clearing video any earlier than necessary. Wouldn't they want it to come out as news, not as a back door deal that doesn't get covered?

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Anonymous wrote:Lawyer's not willing to file suit until he sees the tape and makes sure grandpa isn't lying.

PP here (who keep identifying as PP) - this is what I am hung up on. Why on earth would the family and the lawyer go on television and announce that they plan to file suit without having seen the tape?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lawyer's not willing to file suit until he sees the tape and makes sure grandpa isn't lying.

PP here (who keep identifying as PP) - this is what I am hung up on. Why on earth would the family and the lawyer go on television and announce that they plan to file suit without having seen the tape?

At that point, there was no confirmation that there was a tape, right? But then there was, and now they seem to be backtracking.