Is “WASP” culture still a thing?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure if I qualify as a WASP and I don't really care whether I do or not.

I'm white, some of my heritage is Anglo-Saxon but not the majority of it, and I went to a Protestant church when I was a kid but haven't been in over 20 years. I never belonged to a Country Club and I'm not rich. My family is from Ohio, not New England. Are Midwestern, Scandinavian-desent, agnostics "WASP"s?

nope- you are not a wasp, Scandinavian heritage is still "ethnic white" especially in the midwest where the cultural roots are strong.

There are "waspy" families of Scandinavian and German heritages. WASPs were always more than just Boston or Philadelphia Anglo Saxon Protestant. Old money Midwestern cities are as traditional as they come and have strong doses of German and Scandinavian heritages.

No one is saying that Old money families of Scandinavian or German heritage don’t exist, especially in the Midwest, we’re just saying they are very distinct in their culture and are really, really not WASPy in their views, outlooks, etc. even if they do go to country clubs and send their kids to private school, etc.

—signed a a Jew who sees a huge difference between the two groups and who has always felt significantly more comfortable around WASPs than with rich Midwestern German/Scandinavian “waspy” types.

I think the polite response is "whatever." I'm not quite sure what this idealized WASP is. For some people it's listening to NPR!

Can someone point out a real example of a WASP?

Whatever, feel better? This whole thread and the very term itself is full of proper descriptions of who a WASP person is. For whatever reason, you don’t like that definition, so you’re choosing to ignore it.

Let’s start with the basics: 1)White 2) Anglo Saxon 3)Protestant. If a person does not satisfy those three categories he or she is not a WASP.

A prime example of a WASP is the very person who coined the term: E. Digby Baltzell. Here is a link to his wiki page:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Digby_Baltzell

I’m not sure why this definition is so confusing (hint it has nothing to do with NPR) or as you say, “idealized.” It just is what it is. If you’ve seen them roaming about in their native habitats, WASPs are quite easy to recognize. And yes, they do still exist.

I'm puzzled because I'm a) white, b) Anglo-Saxon, c) Protestant, and grew up in a world most people would vaguely recognize as waspy, including the boarding schools, summering in New England, 19th-century family portraits and old inherited silver and a few ancestors who were prominent figures. And I find all these descriptions somewhat peculiar and amazingly rigid and narrow.

What about these descriptions is “peculiar and amazingly rigid and narrow?” Would you prefer if we said Snoop Dog was also a WASP? Or perhaps just Martha Stewart would do?

Someone desperate to keep this silly thread alive is creating very strict requirements for what constitutes a WASP. There is no established rule book or any form of hereditary privilege that dictates who is or isn't a WASP. The person shrieking that "WASPs" can't be found in the Midwest or can't have German ancestors is silly.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure if I qualify as a WASP and I don't really care whether I do or not.

I'm white, some of my heritage is Anglo-Saxon but not the majority of it, and I went to a Protestant church when I was a kid but haven't been in over 20 years. I never belonged to a Country Club and I'm not rich. My family is from Ohio, not New England. Are Midwestern, Scandinavian-desent, agnostics "WASP"s?

nope- you are not a wasp, Scandinavian heritage is still "ethnic white" especially in the midwest where the cultural roots are strong.

There are "waspy" families of Scandinavian and German heritages. WASPs were always more than just Boston or Philadelphia Anglo Saxon Protestant. Old money Midwestern cities are as traditional as they come and have strong doses of German and Scandinavian heritages.

No one is saying that Old money families of Scandinavian or German heritage don’t exist, especially in the Midwest, we’re just saying they are very distinct in their culture and are really, really not WASPy in their views, outlooks, etc. even if they do go to country clubs and send their kids to private school, etc.

—signed a a Jew who sees a huge difference between the two groups and who has always felt significantly more comfortable around WASPs than with rich Midwestern German/Scandinavian “waspy” types.

I think the polite response is "whatever." I'm not quite sure what this idealized WASP is. For some people it's listening to NPR!

Can someone point out a real example of a WASP?

Whatever, feel better? This whole thread and the very term itself is full of proper descriptions of who a WASP person is. For whatever reason, you don’t like that definition, so you’re choosing to ignore it.

Let’s start with the basics: 1)White 2) Anglo Saxon 3)Protestant. If a person does not satisfy those three categories he or she is not a WASP.

A prime example of a WASP is the very person who coined the term: E. Digby Baltzell. Here is a link to his wiki page:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Digby_Baltzell

I’m not sure why this definition is so confusing (hint it has nothing to do with NPR) or as you say, “idealized.” It just is what it is. If you’ve seen them roaming about in their native habitats, WASPs are quite easy to recognize. And yes, they do still exist.

I'm puzzled because I'm a) white, b) Anglo-Saxon, c) Protestant, and grew up in a world most people would vaguely recognize as waspy, including the boarding schools, summering in New England, 19th-century family portraits and old inherited silver and a few ancestors who were prominent figures. And I find all these descriptions somewhat peculiar and amazingly rigid and narrow.

What about these descriptions is “peculiar and amazingly rigid and narrow?” Would you prefer if we said Snoop Dog was also a WASP? Or perhaps just Martha Stewart would do?

Someone desperate to keep this silly thread alive is creating very strict requirements for what constitutes a WASP. There is no established rule book or any form of hereditary privilege that dictates who is or isn't a WASP. The person shrieking that "WASPs" can't be found in the Midwest or can't have German ancestors is silly.

That's not one person. That's multiple people and it's because it's true. LMAO. Get over it

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure if I qualify as a WASP and I don't really care whether I do or not.

I'm white, some of my heritage is Anglo-Saxon but not the majority of it, and I went to a Protestant church when I was a kid but haven't been in over 20 years. I never belonged to a Country Club and I'm not rich. My family is from Ohio, not New England. Are Midwestern, Scandinavian-desent, agnostics "WASP"s?

nope- you are not a wasp, Scandinavian heritage is still "ethnic white" especially in the midwest where the cultural roots are strong.

There are "waspy" families of Scandinavian and German heritages. WASPs were always more than just Boston or Philadelphia Anglo Saxon Protestant. Old money Midwestern cities are as traditional as they come and have strong doses of German and Scandinavian heritages.

No one is saying that Old money families of Scandinavian or German heritage don’t exist, especially in the Midwest, we’re just saying they are very distinct in their culture and are really, really not WASPy in their views, outlooks, etc. even if they do go to country clubs and send their kids to private school, etc.

—signed a a Jew who sees a huge difference between the two groups and who has always felt significantly more comfortable around WASPs than with rich Midwestern German/Scandinavian “waspy” types.

I think the polite response is "whatever." I'm not quite sure what this idealized WASP is. For some people it's listening to NPR!

Can someone point out a real example of a WASP?

Whatever, feel better? This whole thread and the very term itself is full of proper descriptions of who a WASP person is. For whatever reason, you don’t like that definition, so you’re choosing to ignore it.

Let’s start with the basics: 1)White 2) Anglo Saxon 3)Protestant. If a person does not satisfy those three categories he or she is not a WASP.

A prime example of a WASP is the very person who coined the term: E. Digby Baltzell. Here is a link to his wiki page:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Digby_Baltzell

I’m not sure why this definition is so confusing (hint it has nothing to do with NPR) or as you say, “idealized.” It just is what it is. If you’ve seen them roaming about in their native habitats, WASPs are quite easy to recognize. And yes, they do still exist.

I'm puzzled because I'm a) white, b) Anglo-Saxon, c) Protestant, and grew up in a world most people would vaguely recognize as waspy, including the boarding schools, summering in New England, 19th-century family portraits and old inherited silver and a few ancestors who were prominent figures. And I find all these descriptions somewhat peculiar and amazingly rigid and narrow.

What about these descriptions is “peculiar and amazingly rigid and narrow?” Would you prefer if we said Snoop Dog was also a WASP? Or perhaps just Martha Stewart would do?

Someone desperate to keep this silly thread alive is creating very strict requirements for what constitutes a WASP. There is no established rule book or any form of hereditary privilege that dictates who is or isn't a WASP. The person shrieking that "WASPs" can't be found in the Midwest or can't have German ancestors is silly.

That's not one person. That's multiple people and it's because it's true. LMAO. Get over it

+1 I think a lot of people confuse the term “preppy” with the term “Wasp.”

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure if I qualify as a WASP and I don't really care whether I do or not.

I'm white, some of my heritage is Anglo-Saxon but not the majority of it, and I went to a Protestant church when I was a kid but haven't been in over 20 years. I never belonged to a Country Club and I'm not rich. My family is from Ohio, not New England. Are Midwestern, Scandinavian-desent, agnostics "WASP"s?

nope- you are not a wasp, Scandinavian heritage is still "ethnic white" especially in the midwest where the cultural roots are strong.

There are "waspy" families of Scandinavian and German heritages. WASPs were always more than just Boston or Philadelphia Anglo Saxon Protestant. Old money Midwestern cities are as traditional as they come and have strong doses of German and Scandinavian heritages.

No one is saying that Old money families of Scandinavian or German heritage don’t exist, especially in the Midwest, we’re just saying they are very distinct in their culture and are really, really not WASPy in their views, outlooks, etc. even if they do go to country clubs and send their kids to private school, etc.

—signed a a Jew who sees a huge difference between the two groups and who has always felt significantly more comfortable around WASPs than with rich Midwestern German/Scandinavian “waspy” types.

I think the polite response is "whatever." I'm not quite sure what this idealized WASP is. For some people it's listening to NPR!

Can someone point out a real example of a WASP?

Whatever, feel better? This whole thread and the very term itself is full of proper descriptions of who a WASP person is. For whatever reason, you don’t like that definition, so you’re choosing to ignore it.

Let’s start with the basics: 1)White 2) Anglo Saxon 3)Protestant. If a person does not satisfy those three categories he or she is not a WASP.

A prime example of a WASP is the very person who coined the term: E. Digby Baltzell. Here is a link to his wiki page:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Digby_Baltzell

I’m not sure why this definition is so confusing (hint it has nothing to do with NPR) or as you say, “idealized.” It just is what it is. If you’ve seen them roaming about in their native habitats, WASPs are quite easy to recognize. And yes, they do still exist.

I'm puzzled because I'm a) white, b) Anglo-Saxon, c) Protestant, and grew up in a world most people would vaguely recognize as waspy, including the boarding schools, summering in New England, 19th-century family portraits and old inherited silver and a few ancestors who were prominent figures. And I find all these descriptions somewhat peculiar and amazingly rigid and narrow.

What about these descriptions is “peculiar and amazingly rigid and narrow?” Would you prefer if we said Snoop Dog was also a WASP? Or perhaps just Martha Stewart would do?

Someone desperate to keep this silly thread alive is creating very strict requirements for what constitutes a WASP. There is no established rule book or any form of hereditary privilege that dictates who is or isn't a WASP. The person shrieking that "WASPs" can't be found in the Midwest or can't have German ancestors is silly.

That's not one person. That's multiple people and it's because it's true. LMAO. Get over it

+1 I think a lot of people confuse the term “preppy” with the term “Wasp.”

Yeah or just think "W. A. S. P" is a literal acronym and anyone who is white, anglo-saxon, and protestant will apply. Not understanding it is an extremely specific American subculture.

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Anonymous wrote:I totally disagree that *the stereotypes* of wealthy wealthy Jews and WASPS are similar. Note: I am not talking individuals, just the types.

Yes education is important to both but the personality types couldn't be more diametrically opposed: frank, candid, direct, loud vs reserved, inhibited, discreet, quiet. Warm with family and throw big parties vs cold and don't serve enough food. Again, stereotypes... but they are pretty much diametrically opposed.

I grew up in New England among both communities and the WASP culture was a strong presence in my high school and even college, but much more so among friends' parents and grandparents. I don't see it as much anymore. For one thing prep schools and Ivies are no longer WASP bastions so pretty much everaything is different. Are there still pockets of exclusivity and is there still a certain style? Yes, but it is disappearing. In my opinion this is mostly a good thing, but also too bad in certain ways.

Gee, this doesn't sound biased at all 🤔 I guess I could fire back some fairly rude assessments of Jews and start praising WASPs but I have a feeling that wouldn't be allowed. Although I agree with you the groups are NOT similar in the slightest.

Go for it! I think those stereotypes are right on, especially about the food. Go to a wealthy WASPy wedding and a wealthy Jewish one. Compare the food and get back to me. Yes, the WASPy wedding will be beautiful and have amazing flowers and decor, but for some reason, they are going to scrimp on the food. The Jews will leave the flowers out, if need be, but not the food.

Also, the big elephant in the room difference was left out: Jews are far less likely than WASPs to have an alcohol problem.

Your turn…

Alrighty... since you've asked me to... grasping strivers, loud, new money, ostentatious, pushy/mannerless, cliquey/not welcoming to outsiders, horrible food (gefilte fish?! WTF), trashy, etc.

I will say that as much as you say people dont like WASP weddings, many people pay big bucks to get married in "WASPy" locations with a "WASP" style (which is kind of derived from English style). Not many people getting married in chuppahs despite being Filipino, IJS.

Anyway... each group can have their own judgements of their others.

The initial comment that you took offense to called Jews “frank,” “direct” and “loud.” Those were polite euphemisms. But I suppose that it makes you feel classier to spell it out “grasping strivers” and “trashy?”

I said point blank that WASPy weddings are aesthetically beautiful. It’s just that I make a point of eating before I go to one. With a Jewish wedding, I get a workout in first. Don’t even get me started on the lavishness that is an Indian wedding…but I digress. Also, practically every wedding I’ve gone to in the last decade has the bride being given away by both of her parents per Jewish tradition.

I’m not sure why you’re so offended by the descriptions of WASPs. I don’t see them to be very mean at all.

Yes, they called Jews "frank, direct, and loud vs reserved, inhibited, discreet, quiet. Warm with family and throw big parties vs cold and don't serve enough food." Clearly biased, as my previous comment said and whoever replied (you?) said you'd like to hear my honest assessment and that WASPs also have alcohol problems. So a second ago you wanted people to "go for it" and be honest but now that someone was you're offended?

I don’t think the initial comment by a different poster is biased at all. I think it’s very accurate on all counts. I’m also not remotely offended by your comment.

I think you’re quite funny. Why? Because while championing their cause, you don’t come across as politely WASPy in the least, nor do you have the coolheaded WASPy demeanor, the kind that built this country. Nope, instead you are seem to be deeply offended by WASPs being called “discreet” and “reserved,” which is not only not inoffensive but, also very true. Keep it coming! And please don’t tell me you’re a bot, I’ll be disappointed.

I'm glad you're not offended. And thanks for proving my point that your stereotypes about WASPs, the WASPs you THINK you know and are so pleased to have figured out, are completely wrong. Maybe they are "cold" and "reserved" with YOU and that's for a reason. I guarantee the conversations are different in private, when youre not around. That's the politest way I can say it. Have a good one.

I am a first generation immigrant but from a wealthy family. I went to prep school on the East Coast. Believe me I know a lot of WASPs and I can tell that you are not a real one. Are you the same poster who is upset about the “exclusive” definition that doesn’t include Midwestern people of German and Scandinavian?

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Anonymous wrote:I totally disagree that *the stereotypes* of wealthy wealthy Jews and WASPS are similar. Note: I am not talking individuals, just the types.

Yes education is important to both but the personality types couldn't be more diametrically opposed: frank, candid, direct, loud vs reserved, inhibited, discreet, quiet. Warm with family and throw big parties vs cold and don't serve enough food. Again, stereotypes... but they are pretty much diametrically opposed.

I grew up in New England among both communities and the WASP culture was a strong presence in my high school and even college, but much more so among friends' parents and grandparents. I don't see it as much anymore. For one thing prep schools and Ivies are no longer WASP bastions so pretty much everything is different. Are there still pockets of exclusivity and is there still a certain style? Yes, but it is disappearing. In my opinion this is mostly a good thing, but also too bad in certain ways.

Gee, this doesn't sound biased at all 🤔 I guess I could fire back some fairly rude assessments of Jews and start praising WASPs but I have a feeling that wouldn't be allowed. Although I agree with you the groups are NOT similar in the slightest.

I am the PP you are quoting, the other replies are new posters. I am sure I am biased, aren't we all, but I have very close family members in both of these communities as well as "lace curtain Irish," if you want another stereotyped New England group. And if anything, I was most integrated among WASPs. And not only do I think that there are *a lot* of positive fundamental values (including industriousness, individuality, and so on) in WASP culture but, for whatever it's worth, I myself am pretty reserved, inhibited, discreet, and quiet and don't feel too bad about it. Besides, again, I am talking about the stereotype, not individuals that you might happen to know.

All that said, as much as everyone loves the simple aesthetic, most of us prefer to eat a little too much at weddings than go hungry. I adore and cherish the memories of my grandmother, but I can laugh at how she would "lose her appetite" when confronting what most people would consider a regular amount of food and grimace at the memory of my sister's bridal shower, hosted by family friends, where there were two prepared dishes (two!) for about 25 guests

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure if I qualify as a WASP and I don't really care whether I do or not.

I'm white, some of my heritage is Anglo-Saxon but not the majority of it, and I went to a Protestant church when I was a kid but haven't been in over 20 years. I never belonged to a Country Club and I'm not rich. My family is from Ohio, not New England. Are Midwestern, Scandinavian-desent, agnostics "WASP"s?

nope- you are not a wasp, Scandinavian heritage is still "ethnic white" especially in the midwest where the cultural roots are strong.

There are "waspy" families of Scandinavian and German heritages. WASPs were always more than just Boston or Philadelphia Anglo Saxon Protestant. Old money Midwestern cities are as traditional as they come and have strong doses of German and Scandinavian heritages.

No one is saying that Old money families of Scandinavian or German heritage don’t exist, especially in the Midwest, we’re just saying they are very distinct in their culture and are really, really not WASPy in their views, outlooks, etc. even if they do go to country clubs and send their kids to private school, etc.

—signed a a Jew who sees a huge difference between the two groups and who has always felt significantly more comfortable around WASPs than with rich Midwestern German/Scandinavian “waspy” types.

I think the polite response is "whatever." I'm not quite sure what this idealized WASP is. For some people it's listening to NPR!

Can someone point out a real example of a WASP?

Whatever, feel better? This whole thread and the very term itself is full of proper descriptions of who a WASP person is. For whatever reason, you don’t like that definition, so you’re choosing to ignore it.

Let’s start with the basics: 1)White 2) Anglo Saxon 3)Protestant. If a person does not satisfy those three categories he or she is not a WASP.

A prime example of a WASP is the very person who coined the term: E. Digby Baltzell. Here is a link to his wiki page:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Digby_Baltzell

I’m not sure why this definition is so confusing (hint it has nothing to do with NPR) or as you say, “idealized.” It just is what it is. If you’ve seen them roaming about in their native habitats, WASPs are quite easy to recognize. And yes, they do still exist.

I'm puzzled because I'm a) white, b) Anglo-Saxon, c) Protestant, and grew up in a world most people would vaguely recognize as waspy, including the boarding schools, summering in New England, 19th-century family portraits and old inherited silver and a few ancestors who were prominent figures. And I find all these descriptions somewhat peculiar and amazingly rigid and narrow.

What about these descriptions is “peculiar and amazingly rigid and narrow?” Would you prefer if we said Snoop Dog was also a WASP? Or perhaps just Martha Stewart would do?

Someone desperate to keep this silly thread alive is creating very strict requirements for what constitutes a WASP. There is no established rule book or any form of hereditary privilege that dictates who is or isn't a WASP. The person shrieking that "WASPs" can't be found in the Midwest or can't have German ancestors is silly.

That's not one person. That's multiple people and it's because it's true. LMAO. Get over it

+1 I think a lot of people confuse the term “preppy” with the term “Wasp.”

Yeah or just think "W. A. S. P" is a literal acronym and anyone who is white, anglo-saxon, and protestant will apply. Not understanding it is an extremely specific American subculture.

Exactly! If that were true, half of Appalachia would qualify.

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Anonymous wrote:I totally disagree that *the stereotypes* of wealthy wealthy Jews and WASPS are similar. Note: I am not talking individuals, just the types.

Yes education is important to both but the personality types couldn't be more diametrically opposed: frank, candid, direct, loud vs reserved, inhibited, discreet, quiet. Warm with family and throw big parties vs cold and don't serve enough food. Again, stereotypes... but they are pretty much diametrically opposed.

I grew up in New England among both communities and the WASP culture was a strong presence in my high school and even college, but much more so among friends' parents and grandparents. I don't see it as much anymore. For one thing prep schools and Ivies are no longer WASP bastions so pretty much everaything is different. Are there still pockets of exclusivity and is there still a certain style? Yes, but it is disappearing. In my opinion this is mostly a good thing, but also too bad in certain ways.

Gee, this doesn't sound biased at all 🤔 I guess I could fire back some fairly rude assessments of Jews and start praising WASPs but I have a feeling that wouldn't be allowed. Although I agree with you the groups are NOT similar in the slightest.

Go for it! I think those stereotypes are right on, especially about the food. Go to a wealthy WASPy wedding and a wealthy Jewish one. Compare the food and get back to me. Yes, the WASPy wedding will be beautiful and have amazing flowers and decor, but for some reason, they are going to scrimp on the food. The Jews will leave the flowers out, if need be, but not the food.

Also, the big elephant in the room difference was left out: Jews are far less likely than WASPs to have an alcohol problem.

Your turn…

Alrighty... since you've asked me to... grasping strivers, loud, new money, ostentatious, pushy/mannerless, cliquey/not welcoming to outsiders, horrible food (gefilte fish?! WTF), trashy, etc.

I will say that as much as you say people dont like WASP weddings, many people pay big bucks to get married in "WASPy" locations with a "WASP" style (which is kind of derived from English style). Not many people getting married in chuppahs despite being Filipino, IJS.

Anyway... each group can have their own judgements of their others.

The initial comment that you took offense to called Jews “frank,” “direct” and “loud.” Those were polite euphemisms. But I suppose that it makes you feel classier to spell it out “grasping strivers” and “trashy?”

I said point blank that WASPy weddings are aesthetically beautiful. It’s just that I make a point of eating before I go to one. With a Jewish wedding, I get a workout in first. Don’t even get me started on the lavishness that is an Indian wedding…but I digress. Also, practically every wedding I’ve gone to in the last decade has the bride being given away by both of her parents per Jewish tradition.

I’m not sure why you’re so offended by the descriptions of WASPs. I don’t see them to be very mean at all.

Yes, they called Jews "frank, direct, and loud vs reserved, inhibited, discreet, quiet. Warm with family and throw big parties vs cold and don't serve enough food." Clearly biased, as my previous comment said and whoever replied (you?) said you'd like to hear my honest assessment and that WASPs also have alcohol problems. So a second ago you wanted people to "go for it" and be honest but now that someone was you're offended?

I don’t think the initial comment by a different poster is biased at all. I think it’s very accurate on all counts. I’m also not remotely offended by your comment.

I think you’re quite funny. Why? Because while championing their cause, you don’t come across as politely WASPy in the least, nor do you have the coolheaded WASPy demeanor, the kind that built this country. Nope, instead you are seem to be deeply offended by WASPs being called “discreet” and “reserved,” which is not only not inoffensive but, also very true. Keep it coming! And please don’t tell me you’re a bot, I’ll be disappointed.

I'm glad you're not offended. And thanks for proving my point that your stereotypes about WASPs, the WASPs you THINK you know and are so pleased to have figured out, are completely wrong. Maybe they are "cold" and "reserved" with YOU and that's for a reason. I guarantee the conversations are different in private, when youre not around. That's the politest way I can say it. Have a good one.

I am a first generation immigrant but from a wealthy family. I went to prep school on the East Coast. Believe me I know a lot of WASPs and I can tell that you are not a real one. Are you the same poster who is upset about the “exclusive” definition that doesn’t include Midwestern people of German and Scandinavian?

You obviously don't know a thing. Keep believing that Gossip Girl or some Danielle Steel novel is a real depiction of WASPs. How would you even know, since it's not your culture? The delusion and sheer lack of self awareness is pretty comical. And no, I'm from the east coast, and know EXACTLY what a WASP is, and that you aren't one and will never be us or be able to understand us. Keep trying, though.

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Anonymous wrote:I totally disagree that *the stereotypes* of wealthy wealthy Jews and WASPS are similar. Note: I am not talking individuals, just the types.

Yes education is important to both but the personality types couldn't be more diametrically opposed: frank, candid, direct, loud vs reserved, inhibited, discreet, quiet. Warm with family and throw big parties vs cold and don't serve enough food. Again, stereotypes... but they are pretty much diametrically opposed.

I grew up in New England among both communities and the WASP culture was a strong presence in my high school and even college, but much more so among friends' parents and grandparents. I don't see it as much anymore. For one thing prep schools and Ivies are no longer WASP bastions so pretty much everaything is different. Are there still pockets of exclusivity and is there still a certain style? Yes, but it is disappearing. In my opinion this is mostly a good thing, but also too bad in certain ways.

Gee, this doesn't sound biased at all 🤔 I guess I could fire back some fairly rude assessments of Jews and start praising WASPs but I have a feeling that wouldn't be allowed. Although I agree with you the groups are NOT similar in the slightest.

Go for it! I think those stereotypes are right on, especially about the food. Go to a wealthy WASPy wedding and a wealthy Jewish one. Compare the food and get back to me. Yes, the WASPy wedding will be beautiful and have amazing flowers and decor, but for some reason, they are going to scrimp on the food. The Jews will leave the flowers out, if need be, but not the food.

Also, the big elephant in the room difference was left out: Jews are far less likely than WASPs to have an alcohol problem.

Your turn…

Alrighty... since you've asked me to... grasping strivers, loud, new money, ostentatious, pushy/mannerless, cliquey/not welcoming to outsiders, horrible food (gefilte fish?! WTF), trashy, etc.

I will say that as much as you say people dont like WASP weddings, many people pay big bucks to get married in "WASPy" locations with a "WASP" style (which is kind of derived from English style). Not many people getting married in chuppahs despite being Filipino, IJS.

Anyway... each group can have their own judgements of their others.

The initial comment that you took offense to called Jews “frank,” “direct” and “loud.” Those were polite euphemisms. But I suppose that it makes you feel classier to spell it out “grasping strivers” and “trashy?”

I said point blank that WASPy weddings are aesthetically beautiful. It’s just that I make a point of eating before I go to one. With a Jewish wedding, I get a workout in first. Don’t even get me started on the lavishness that is an Indian wedding…but I digress. Also, practically every wedding I’ve gone to in the last decade has the bride being given away by both of her parents per Jewish tradition.

I’m not sure why you’re so offended by the descriptions of WASPs. I don’t see them to be very mean at all.

Yes, they called Jews "frank, direct, and loud vs reserved, inhibited, discreet, quiet. Warm with family and throw big parties vs cold and don't serve enough food." Clearly biased, as my previous comment said and whoever replied (you?) said you'd like to hear my honest assessment and that WASPs also have alcohol problems. So a second ago you wanted people to "go for it" and be honest but now that someone was you're offended?

I don’t think the initial comment by a different poster is biased at all. I think it’s very accurate on all counts. I’m also not remotely offended by your comment.

I think you’re quite funny. Why? Because while championing their cause, you don’t come across as politely WASPy in the least, nor do you have the coolheaded WASPy demeanor, the kind that built this country. Nope, instead you are seem to be deeply offended by WASPs being called “discreet” and “reserved,” which is not only not inoffensive but, also very true. Keep it coming! And please don’t tell me you’re a bot, I’ll be disappointed.

I'm glad you're not offended. And thanks for proving my point that your stereotypes about WASPs, the WASPs you THINK you know and are so pleased to have figured out, are completely wrong. Maybe they are "cold" and "reserved" with YOU and that's for a reason. I guarantee the conversations are different in private, when youre not around. That's the politest way I can say it. Have a good one.

I am a first generation immigrant but from a wealthy family. I went to prep school on the East Coast. Believe me I know a lot of WASPs and I can tell that you are not a real one. Are you the same poster who is upset about the “exclusive” definition that doesn’t include Midwestern people of German and Scandinavian?

You obviously don't know a thing. Keep believing that Gossip Girl or some Danielle Steel novel is a real depiction of WASPs. How would you even know, since it's not your culture? The delusion and sheer lack of self awareness is pretty comical. And no, I'm from the east coast, and know EXACTLY what a WASP is, and that you aren't one and will never be us or be able to understand us. Keep trying, though.

So, you have to be a member of a distinct subset of a culture to recognize it? Are you both Jewish and WASPy? I ask because you seem to have very strong views on both groups and their characteristics.

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Anonymous wrote:I totally disagree that *the stereotypes* of wealthy wealthy Jews and WASPS are similar. Note: I am not talking individuals, just the types.

Yes education is important to both but the personality types couldn't be more diametrically opposed: frank, candid, direct, loud vs reserved, inhibited, discreet, quiet. Warm with family and throw big parties vs cold and don't serve enough food. Again, stereotypes... but they are pretty much diametrically opposed.

I grew up in New England among both communities and the WASP culture was a strong presence in my high school and even college, but much more so among friends' parents and grandparents. I don't see it as much anymore. For one thing prep schools and Ivies are no longer WASP bastions so pretty much everaything is different. Are there still pockets of exclusivity and is there still a certain style? Yes, but it is disappearing. In my opinion this is mostly a good thing, but also too bad in certain ways.

Gee, this doesn't sound biased at all 🤔 I guess I could fire back some fairly rude assessments of Jews and start praising WASPs but I have a feeling that wouldn't be allowed. Although I agree with you the groups are NOT similar in the slightest.

Go for it! I think those stereotypes are right on, especially about the food. Go to a wealthy WASPy wedding and a wealthy Jewish one. Compare the food and get back to me. Yes, the WASPy wedding will be beautiful and have amazing flowers and decor, but for some reason, they are going to scrimp on the food. The Jews will leave the flowers out, if need be, but not the food.

Also, the big elephant in the room difference was left out: Jews are far less likely than WASPs to have an alcohol problem.

Your turn…

Alrighty... since you've asked me to... grasping strivers, loud, new money, ostentatious, pushy/mannerless, cliquey/not welcoming to outsiders, horrible food (gefilte fish?! WTF), trashy, etc.

I will say that as much as you say people dont like WASP weddings, many people pay big bucks to get married in "WASPy" locations with a "WASP" style (which is kind of derived from English style). Not many people getting married in chuppahs despite being Filipino, IJS.

Anyway... each group can have their own judgements of their others.

The initial comment that you took offense to called Jews “frank,” “direct” and “loud.” Those were polite euphemisms. But I suppose that it makes you feel classier to spell it out “grasping strivers” and “trashy?”

I said point blank that WASPy weddings are aesthetically beautiful. It’s just that I make a point of eating before I go to one. With a Jewish wedding, I get a workout in first. Don’t even get me started on the lavishness that is an Indian wedding…but I digress. Also, practically every wedding I’ve gone to in the last decade has the bride being given away by both of her parents per Jewish tradition.

I’m not sure why you’re so offended by the descriptions of WASPs. I don’t see them to be very mean at all.

Yes, they called Jews "frank, direct, and loud vs reserved, inhibited, discreet, quiet. Warm with family and throw big parties vs cold and don't serve enough food." Clearly biased, as my previous comment said and whoever replied (you?) said you'd like to hear my honest assessment and that WASPs also have alcohol problems. So a second ago you wanted people to "go for it" and be honest but now that someone was you're offended?

I don’t think the initial comment by a different poster is biased at all. I think it’s very accurate on all counts. I’m also not remotely offended by your comment.

I think you’re quite funny. Why? Because while championing their cause, you don’t come across as politely WASPy in the least, nor do you have the coolheaded WASPy demeanor, the kind that built this country. Nope, instead you are seem to be deeply offended by WASPs being called “discreet” and “reserved,” which is not only not inoffensive but, also very true. Keep it coming! And please don’t tell me you’re a bot, I’ll be disappointed.

I'm glad you're not offended. And thanks for proving my point that your stereotypes about WASPs, the WASPs you THINK you know and are so pleased to have figured out, are completely wrong. Maybe they are "cold" and "reserved" with YOU and that's for a reason. I guarantee the conversations are different in private, when youre not around. That's the politest way I can say it. Have a good one.

I am a first generation immigrant but from a wealthy family. I went to prep school on the East Coast. Believe me I know a lot of WASPs and I can tell that you are not a real one. Are you the same poster who is upset about the “exclusive” definition that doesn’t include Midwestern people of German and Scandinavian?

You obviously don't know a thing. Keep believing that Gossip Girl or some Danielle Steel novel is a real depiction of WASPs. How would you even know, since it's not your culture? The delusion and sheer lack of self awareness is pretty comical. And no, I'm from the east coast, and know EXACTLY what a WASP is, and that you aren't one and will never be us or be able to understand us. Keep trying, though.

Between the tacky emojis and the hotheadedness, there is no way this was written by a proper East Coast WASP.

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Anonymous wrote:I totally disagree that *the stereotypes* of wealthy wealthy Jews and WASPS are similar. Note: I am not talking individuals, just the types.

Yes education is important to both but the personality types couldn't be more diametrically opposed: frank, candid, direct, loud vs reserved, inhibited, discreet, quiet. Warm with family and throw big parties vs cold and don't serve enough food. Again, stereotypes... but they are pretty much diametrically opposed.

I grew up in New England among both communities and the WASP culture was a strong presence in my high school and even college, but much more so among friends' parents and grandparents. I don't see it as much anymore. For one thing prep schools and Ivies are no longer WASP bastions so pretty much everaything is different. Are there still pockets of exclusivity and is there still a certain style? Yes, but it is disappearing. In my opinion this is mostly a good thing, but also too bad in certain ways.

Gee, this doesn't sound biased at all 🤔 I guess I could fire back some fairly rude assessments of Jews and start praising WASPs but I have a feeling that wouldn't be allowed. Although I agree with you the groups are NOT similar in the slightest.

Go for it! I think those stereotypes are right on, especially about the food. Go to a wealthy WASPy wedding and a wealthy Jewish one. Compare the food and get back to me. Yes, the WASPy wedding will be beautiful and have amazing flowers and decor, but for some reason, they are going to scrimp on the food. The Jews will leave the flowers out, if need be, but not the food.

Also, the big elephant in the room difference was left out: Jews are far less likely than WASPs to have an alcohol problem.

Your turn…

Alrighty... since you've asked me to... grasping strivers, loud, new money, ostentatious, pushy/mannerless, cliquey/not welcoming to outsiders, horrible food (gefilte fish?! WTF), trashy, etc.

I will say that as much as you say people dont like WASP weddings, many people pay big bucks to get married in "WASPy" locations with a "WASP" style (which is kind of derived from English style). Not many people getting married in chuppahs despite being Filipino, IJS.

Anyway... each group can have their own judgements of their others.

The initial comment that you took offense to called Jews “frank,” “direct” and “loud.” Those were polite euphemisms. But I suppose that it makes you feel classier to spell it out “grasping strivers” and “trashy?”

I said point blank that WASPy weddings are aesthetically beautiful. It’s just that I make a point of eating before I go to one. With a Jewish wedding, I get a workout in first. Don’t even get me started on the lavishness that is an Indian wedding…but I digress. Also, practically every wedding I’ve gone to in the last decade has the bride being given away by both of her parents per Jewish tradition.

I’m not sure why you’re so offended by the descriptions of WASPs. I don’t see them to be very mean at all.

Yes, they called Jews "frank, direct, and loud vs reserved, inhibited, discreet, quiet. Warm with family and throw big parties vs cold and don't serve enough food." Clearly biased, as my previous comment said and whoever replied (you?) said you'd like to hear my honest assessment and that WASPs also have alcohol problems. So a second ago you wanted people to "go for it" and be honest but now that someone was you're offended?

I don’t think the initial comment by a different poster is biased at all. I think it’s very accurate on all counts. I’m also not remotely offended by your comment.

I think you’re quite funny. Why? Because while championing their cause, you don’t come across as politely WASPy in the least, nor do you have the coolheaded WASPy demeanor, the kind that built this country. Nope, instead you are seem to be deeply offended by WASPs being called “discreet” and “reserved,” which is not only not inoffensive but, also very true. Keep it coming! And please don’t tell me you’re a bot, I’ll be disappointed.

I'm glad you're not offended. And thanks for proving my point that your stereotypes about WASPs, the WASPs you THINK you know and are so pleased to have figured out, are completely wrong. Maybe they are "cold" and "reserved" with YOU and that's for a reason. I guarantee the conversations are different in private, when youre not around. That's the politest way I can say it. Have a good one.

I am a first generation immigrant but from a wealthy family. I went to prep school on the East Coast. Believe me I know a lot of WASPs and I can tell that you are not a real one. Are you the same poster who is upset about the “exclusive” definition that doesn’t include Midwestern people of German and Scandinavian?

You obviously don't know a thing. Keep believing that Gossip Girl or some Danielle Steel novel is a real depiction of WASPs. How would you even know, since it's not your culture? The delusion and sheer lack of self awareness is pretty comical. And no, I'm from the east coast, and know EXACTLY what a WASP is, and that you aren't one and will never be us or be able to understand us. Keep trying, though.

Between the tacky emojis and the hotheadedness, there is no way this was written by a proper East Coast WASP.

I take it this is the same first generation immigrant who's an expert on WASP culture? 😂 The jokes write themselves...

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Anonymous wrote:I totally disagree that *the stereotypes* of wealthy wealthy Jews and WASPS are similar. Note: I am not talking individuals, just the types.

Yes education is important to both but the personality types couldn't be more diametrically opposed: frank, candid, direct, loud vs reserved, inhibited, discreet, quiet. Warm with family and throw big parties vs cold and don't serve enough food. Again, stereotypes... but they are pretty much diametrically opposed.

I grew up in New England among both communities and the WASP culture was a strong presence in my high school and even college, but much more so among friends' parents and grandparents. I don't see it as much anymore. For one thing prep schools and Ivies are no longer WASP bastions so pretty much everaything is different. Are there still pockets of exclusivity and is there still a certain style? Yes, but it is disappearing. In my opinion this is mostly a good thing, but also too bad in certain ways.

Gee, this doesn't sound biased at all 🤔 I guess I could fire back some fairly rude assessments of Jews and start praising WASPs but I have a feeling that wouldn't be allowed. Although I agree with you the groups are NOT similar in the slightest.

Go for it! I think those stereotypes are right on, especially about the food. Go to a wealthy WASPy wedding and a wealthy Jewish one. Compare the food and get back to me. Yes, the WASPy wedding will be beautiful and have amazing flowers and decor, but for some reason, they are going to scrimp on the food. The Jews will leave the flowers out, if need be, but not the food.

Also, the big elephant in the room difference was left out: Jews are far less likely than WASPs to have an alcohol problem.

Your turn…

Alrighty... since you've asked me to... grasping strivers, loud, new money, ostentatious, pushy/mannerless, cliquey/not welcoming to outsiders, horrible food (gefilte fish?! WTF), trashy, etc.

I will say that as much as you say people dont like WASP weddings, many people pay big bucks to get married in "WASPy" locations with a "WASP" style (which is kind of derived from English style). Not many people getting married in chuppahs despite being Filipino, IJS.

Anyway... each group can have their own judgements of their others.

The initial comment that you took offense to called Jews “frank,” “direct” and “loud.” Those were polite euphemisms. But I suppose that it makes you feel classier to spell it out “grasping strivers” and “trashy?”

I said point blank that WASPy weddings are aesthetically beautiful. It’s just that I make a point of eating before I go to one. With a Jewish wedding, I get a workout in first. Don’t even get me started on the lavishness that is an Indian wedding…but I digress. Also, practically every wedding I’ve gone to in the last decade has the bride being given away by both of her parents per Jewish tradition.

I’m not sure why you’re so offended by the descriptions of WASPs. I don’t see them to be very mean at all.

Yes, they called Jews "frank, direct, and loud vs reserved, inhibited, discreet, quiet. Warm with family and throw big parties vs cold and don't serve enough food." Clearly biased, as my previous comment said and whoever replied (you?) said you'd like to hear my honest assessment and that WASPs also have alcohol problems. So a second ago you wanted people to "go for it" and be honest but now that someone was you're offended?

I don’t think the initial comment by a different poster is biased at all. I think it’s very accurate on all counts. I’m also not remotely offended by your comment.

I think you’re quite funny. Why? Because while championing their cause, you don’t come across as politely WASPy in the least, nor do you have the coolheaded WASPy demeanor, the kind that built this country. Nope, instead you are seem to be deeply offended by WASPs being called “discreet” and “reserved,” which is not only not inoffensive but, also very true. Keep it coming! And please don’t tell me you’re a bot, I’ll be disappointed.

I'm glad you're not offended. And thanks for proving my point that your stereotypes about WASPs, the WASPs you THINK you know and are so pleased to have figured out, are completely wrong. Maybe they are "cold" and "reserved" with YOU and that's for a reason. I guarantee the conversations are different in private, when youre not around. That's the politest way I can say it. Have a good one.

I am a first generation immigrant but from a wealthy family. I went to prep school on the East Coast. Believe me I know a lot of WASPs and I can tell that you are not a real one. Are you the same poster who is upset about the “exclusive” definition that doesn’t include Midwestern people of German and Scandinavian?

You obviously don't know a thing. Keep believing that Gossip Girl or some Danielle Steel novel is a real depiction of WASPs. How would you even know, since it's not your culture? The delusion and sheer lack of self awareness is pretty comical. And no, I'm from the east coast, and know EXACTLY what a WASP is, and that you aren't one and will never be us or be able to understand us. Keep trying, though.

So, you have to be a member of a distinct subset of a culture to recognize it? Are you both Jewish and WASPy? I ask because you seem to have very strong views on both groups and their characteristics.

You can't be Jewish and a WASP, those are mutually exclusive terms. But you really have to be a member of any group to definitively give a statement of any authority about it. Of course, outsiders can give their own opinions/stereotypes, but only the insiders know how it really works.

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I am a reserved, inhibited, discreet, and quiet Jew with a drinking problem. I don't fit in anywhere. Wah!

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Anonymous wrote:I totally disagree that *the stereotypes* of wealthy wealthy Jews and WASPS are similar. Note: I am not talking individuals, just the types.

Yes education is important to both but the personality types couldn't be more diametrically opposed: frank, candid, direct, loud vs reserved, inhibited, discreet, quiet. Warm with family and throw big parties vs cold and don't serve enough food. Again, stereotypes... but they are pretty much diametrically opposed.

I grew up in New England among both communities and the WASP culture was a strong presence in my high school and even college, but much more so among friends' parents and grandparents. I don't see it as much anymore. For one thing prep schools and Ivies are no longer WASP bastions so pretty much everaything is different. Are there still pockets of exclusivity and is there still a certain style? Yes, but it is disappearing. In my opinion this is mostly a good thing, but also too bad in certain ways.

Gee, this doesn't sound biased at all 🤔 I guess I could fire back some fairly rude assessments of Jews and start praising WASPs but I have a feeling that wouldn't be allowed. Although I agree with you the groups are NOT similar in the slightest.

Go for it! I think those stereotypes are right on, especially about the food. Go to a wealthy WASPy wedding and a wealthy Jewish one. Compare the food and get back to me. Yes, the WASPy wedding will be beautiful and have amazing flowers and decor, but for some reason, they are going to scrimp on the food. The Jews will leave the flowers out, if need be, but not the food.

Also, the big elephant in the room difference was left out: Jews are far less likely than WASPs to have an alcohol problem.

Your turn…

Alrighty... since you've asked me to... grasping strivers, loud, new money, ostentatious, pushy/mannerless, cliquey/not welcoming to outsiders, horrible food (gefilte fish?! WTF), trashy, etc.

I will say that as much as you say people dont like WASP weddings, many people pay big bucks to get married in "WASPy" locations with a "WASP" style (which is kind of derived from English style). Not many people getting married in chuppahs despite being Filipino, IJS.

Anyway... each group can have their own judgements of their others.

The initial comment that you took offense to called Jews “frank,” “direct” and “loud.” Those were polite euphemisms. But I suppose that it makes you feel classier to spell it out “grasping strivers” and “trashy?”

I said point blank that WASPy weddings are aesthetically beautiful. It’s just that I make a point of eating before I go to one. With a Jewish wedding, I get a workout in first. Don’t even get me started on the lavishness that is an Indian wedding…but I digress. Also, practically every wedding I’ve gone to in the last decade has the bride being given away by both of her parents per Jewish tradition.

I’m not sure why you’re so offended by the descriptions of WASPs. I don’t see them to be very mean at all.

Yes, they called Jews "frank, direct, and loud vs reserved, inhibited, discreet, quiet. Warm with family and throw big parties vs cold and don't serve enough food." Clearly biased, as my previous comment said and whoever replied (you?) said you'd like to hear my honest assessment and that WASPs also have alcohol problems. So a second ago you wanted people to "go for it" and be honest but now that someone was you're offended?

I don’t think the initial comment by a different poster is biased at all. I think it’s very accurate on all counts. I’m also not remotely offended by your comment.

I think you’re quite funny. Why? Because while championing their cause, you don’t come across as politely WASPy in the least, nor do you have the coolheaded WASPy demeanor, the kind that built this country. Nope, instead you are seem to be deeply offended by WASPs being called “discreet” and “reserved,” which is not only not inoffensive but, also very true. Keep it coming! And please don’t tell me you’re a bot, I’ll be disappointed.

I'm glad you're not offended. And thanks for proving my point that your stereotypes about WASPs, the WASPs you THINK you know and are so pleased to have figured out, are completely wrong. Maybe they are "cold" and "reserved" with YOU and that's for a reason. I guarantee the conversations are different in private, when youre not around. That's the politest way I can say it. Have a good one.

I am a first generation immigrant but from a wealthy family. I went to prep school on the East Coast. Believe me I know a lot of WASPs and I can tell that you are not a real one. Are you the same poster who is upset about the “exclusive” definition that doesn’t include Midwestern people of German and Scandinavian?

You obviously don't know a thing. Keep believing that Gossip Girl or some Danielle Steel novel is a real depiction of WASPs. How would you even know, since it's not your culture? The delusion and sheer lack of self awareness is pretty comical. And no, I'm from the east coast, and know EXACTLY what a WASP is, and that you aren't one and will never be us or be able to understand us. Keep trying, though.

So, you have to be a member of a distinct subset of a culture to recognize it? Are you both Jewish and WASPy? I ask because you seem to have very strong views on both groups and their characteristics.

You can't be Jewish and a WASP, those are mutually exclusive terms. But you really have to be a member of any group to definitively give a statement of any authority about it. Of course, outsiders can give their own opinions/stereotypes, but only the insiders know how it really works.

What are you talking about? Shirley Jackson was as WASPy as they got, she married a Jew. They had children. Their children were both. Kyra Sedgwick is both. Come to think of it, I can think of a ton of famous people who are…

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Anonymous wrote:I totally disagree that *the stereotypes* of wealthy wealthy Jews and WASPS are similar. Note: I am not talking individuals, just the types.

Yes education is important to both but the personality types couldn't be more diametrically opposed: frank, candid, direct, loud vs reserved, inhibited, discreet, quiet. Warm with family and throw big parties vs cold and don't serve enough food. Again, stereotypes... but they are pretty much diametrically opposed.

I grew up in New England among both communities and the WASP culture was a strong presence in my high school and even college, but much more so among friends' parents and grandparents. I don't see it as much anymore. For one thing prep schools and Ivies are no longer WASP bastions so pretty much everaything is different. Are there still pockets of exclusivity and is there still a certain style? Yes, but it is disappearing. In my opinion this is mostly a good thing, but also too bad in certain ways.

Gee, this doesn't sound biased at all 🤔 I guess I could fire back some fairly rude assessments of Jews and start praising WASPs but I have a feeling that wouldn't be allowed. Although I agree with you the groups are NOT similar in the slightest.

Go for it! I think those stereotypes are right on, especially about the food. Go to a wealthy WASPy wedding and a wealthy Jewish one. Compare the food and get back to me. Yes, the WASPy wedding will be beautiful and have amazing flowers and decor, but for some reason, they are going to scrimp on the food. The Jews will leave the flowers out, if need be, but not the food.

Also, the big elephant in the room difference was left out: Jews are far less likely than WASPs to have an alcohol problem.

Your turn…

Alrighty... since you've asked me to... grasping strivers, loud, new money, ostentatious, pushy/mannerless, cliquey/not welcoming to outsiders, horrible food (gefilte fish?! WTF), trashy, etc.

I will say that as much as you say people dont like WASP weddings, many people pay big bucks to get married in "WASPy" locations with a "WASP" style (which is kind of derived from English style). Not many people getting married in chuppahs despite being Filipino, IJS.

Anyway... each group can have their own judgements of their others.

The initial comment that you took offense to called Jews “frank,” “direct” and “loud.” Those were polite euphemisms. But I suppose that it makes you feel classier to spell it out “grasping strivers” and “trashy?”

I said point blank that WASPy weddings are aesthetically beautiful. It’s just that I make a point of eating before I go to one. With a Jewish wedding, I get a workout in first. Don’t even get me started on the lavishness that is an Indian wedding…but I digress. Also, practically every wedding I’ve gone to in the last decade has the bride being given away by both of her parents per Jewish tradition.

I’m not sure why you’re so offended by the descriptions of WASPs. I don’t see them to be very mean at all.

Yes, they called Jews "frank, direct, and loud vs reserved, inhibited, discreet, quiet. Warm with family and throw big parties vs cold and don't serve enough food." Clearly biased, as my previous comment said and whoever replied (you?) said you'd like to hear my honest assessment and that WASPs also have alcohol problems. So a second ago you wanted people to "go for it" and be honest but now that someone was you're offended?

I don’t think the initial comment by a different poster is biased at all. I think it’s very accurate on all counts. I’m also not remotely offended by your comment.

I think you’re quite funny. Why? Because while championing their cause, you don’t come across as politely WASPy in the least, nor do you have the coolheaded WASPy demeanor, the kind that built this country. Nope, instead you are seem to be deeply offended by WASPs being called “discreet” and “reserved,” which is not only not inoffensive but, also very true. Keep it coming! And please don’t tell me you’re a bot, I’ll be disappointed.

I'm glad you're not offended. And thanks for proving my point that your stereotypes about WASPs, the WASPs you THINK you know and are so pleased to have figured out, are completely wrong. Maybe they are "cold" and "reserved" with YOU and that's for a reason. I guarantee the conversations are different in private, when youre not around. That's the politest way I can say it. Have a good one.

I am a first generation immigrant but from a wealthy family. I went to prep school on the East Coast. Believe me I know a lot of WASPs and I can tell that you are not a real one. Are you the same poster who is upset about the “exclusive” definition that doesn’t include Midwestern people of German and Scandinavian?

You obviously don't know a thing. Keep believing that Gossip Girl or some Danielle Steel novel is a real depiction of WASPs. How would you even know, since it's not your culture? The delusion and sheer lack of self awareness is pretty comical. And no, I'm from the east coast, and know EXACTLY what a WASP is, and that you aren't one and will never be us or be able to understand us. Keep trying, though.

So, you have to be a member of a distinct subset of a culture to recognize it? Are you both Jewish and WASPy? I ask because you seem to have very strong views on both groups and their characteristics.

You can't be Jewish and a WASP, those are mutually exclusive terms. But you really have to be a member of any group to definitively give a statement of any authority about it. Of course, outsiders can give their own opinions/stereotypes, but only the insiders know how it really works.

What are you talking about? Shirley Jackson was as WASPy as they got, she married a Jew. They had children. Their children were both. Kyra Sedgwick is both. Come to think of it, I can think of a ton of famous people who are…

If they're Jewish theyre not WASP and vice versa. What is hard to understand?