Baltimore Sun article about Howard County rezoning

[Anonymous]

I think it's great they're addressing segregation in HoCo, but wish MCPS would follow their lead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's great they're addressing segregation in HoCo, but wish MCPS would follow their lead.

Actually one can make a case that Howard is following MCPS' lead. Check out https://www.vox.com/2018/1/8/16822374/school-segregation-gerrymander-map

[Anonymous]

Originally grew up in Delaware during the years with all of the busing that Biden is now in trouble for.

Busing in DE completely ruined the entire DE public school system. Why do you think DE has such low home values for being in such a prime location on the East Coast? It's because they're public schools are horrendous. DE has for years had one of the highest rates of enrollment in private schools per capita in the country.

Rather than being able to go to neighborhood school, kids in DE would routinely have to be bused for hours all across the state to desegregate. This day in age, isn't burning fossil fuels supposed to be a no-no? Kids in DE weren't allowed to walk down the street to go to school, they had to get up at 5:20 AM in my day to catch buses to make it to school on time.

And what has happened years later in DE? Everyone realized how stupid busing was, and DE has now been allowed to go back to community based schools where kids can once again go back to being able to walk to school. But the damage has already been done. DE public schools are in trouble. Busing has done nothing over the years to improve DE's public schooling system and educational outcomes. Everything just got really mediocre-to-terrible, and its what is going to come to Howard and Montgomery County.

Check out these excellent articles and stories of what happened in Delaware:

https://whyy.org/articles/mass-exodus-students-costing-delaware-school-district-taxpayers/

Also I HIGHLY RECOMMEND this history piece on schools, busing and desegregation initiatives in DE. It's a history that people have largely ignored and forgotten altogteher, because all they can focus on are lazy arguments and discussion about race and equality.

https://www.hockessincommunitynews.com/article/20081021/NEWS/310219952


People forget that minority communities themselves were initially against busing and it ruined schools were minorities were the majority of students and where minorities were obtaining power to run the schools.

Everything falls though to the argument of an idolized and fanciful vision for diversity.

[Anonymous]

Fortunately nobody is talking about putting students on buses to spend HOURS going across the state (or even across the county).

And most of the students are already taking buses to school already, or being driven by their parents. If you're worried about fossil fuel consumption (as I am), work on initiatives that make it safer and easier for the students who live in walking/biking distance of school to walk and bike.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Everything falls though to the argument of an idolized and fanciful vision for diversity.

A shorter way to say this is, "I am fine with segregated schools."

(Including literal segregation. Delaware was a Jim Crow state, and public schools were segregated by law. Do you know people who attended school under Jim Crow? I do.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Everything falls though to the argument of an idolized and fanciful vision for diversity.

A shorter way to say this is, "I am fine with segregated schools."

(Including literal segregation. Delaware was a Jim Crow state, and public schools were segregated by law. Do you know people who attended school under Jim Crow? I do.)

No, the poster is saying bussing isn't the answer. There are right ways and wrong ways to desegregate. Bussing is the wrong way. The right way is to introduce mixed income housing across all communities.

Unfortunately, improper planning has put us in this position where we have enclaves of upper income families and lower income families.

We should do something, but I'm not sure if ripping people out of their communities is going to do what we want it to.

I prefer the idea of Magnet schools or other such measures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Originally grew up in Delaware during the years with all of the busing that Biden is now in trouble for.

Busing in DE completely ruined the entire DE public school system. Why do you think DE has such low home values for being in such a prime location on the East Coast? It's because they're public schools are horrendous. DE has for years had one of the highest rates of enrollment in private schools per capita in the country.

Rather than being able to go to neighborhood school, kids in DE would routinely have to be bused for hours all across the state to desegregate. This day in age, isn't burning fossil fuels supposed to be a no-no? Kids in DE weren't allowed to walk down the street to go to school, they had to get up at 5:20 AM in my day to catch buses to make it to school on time.

And what has happened years later in DE? Everyone realized how stupid busing was, and DE has now been allowed to go back to community based schools where kids can once again go back to being able to walk to school. But the damage has already been done. DE public schools are in trouble. Busing has done nothing over the years to improve DE's public schooling system and educational outcomes. Everything just got really mediocre-to-terrible, and its what is going to come to Howard and Montgomery County.

Check out these excellent articles and stories of what happened in Delaware:

https://whyy.org/articles/mass-exodus-students-costing-delaware-school-district-taxpayers/

Also I HIGHLY RECOMMEND this history piece on schools, busing and desegregation initiatives in DE. It's a history that people have largely ignored and forgotten altogteher, because all they can focus on are lazy arguments and discussion about race and equality.

https://www.hockessincommunitynews.com/article/20081021/NEWS/310219952


People forget that minority communities themselves were initially against busing and it ruined schools were minorities were the majority of students and where minorities were obtaining power to run the schools.

Everything falls though to the argument of an idolized and fanciful vision for diversity.

DE also has incredibly low property taxes which fund the public schools. Big differences between DE and the other schools in mid atlantic

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Originally grew up in Delaware during the years with all of the busing that Biden is now in trouble for.

Busing in DE completely ruined the entire DE public school system. Why do you think DE has such low home values for being in such a prime location on the East Coast? It's because they're public schools are horrendous. DE has for years had one of the highest rates of enrollment in private schools per capita in the country.

Rather than being able to go to neighborhood school, kids in DE would routinely have to be bused for hours all across the state to desegregate. This day in age, isn't burning fossil fuels supposed to be a no-no? Kids in DE weren't allowed to walk down the street to go to school, they had to get up at 5:20 AM in my day to catch buses to make it to school on time.

And what has happened years later in DE? Everyone realized how stupid busing was, and DE has now been allowed to go back to community based schools where kids can once again go back to being able to walk to school. But the damage has already been done. DE public schools are in trouble. Busing has done nothing over the years to improve DE's public schooling system and educational outcomes. Everything just got really mediocre-to-terrible, and its what is going to come to Howard and Montgomery County.

Check out these excellent articles and stories of what happened in Delaware:

https://whyy.org/articles/mass-exodus-students-costing-delaware-school-district-taxpayers/

Also I HIGHLY RECOMMEND this history piece on schools, busing and desegregation initiatives in DE. It's a history that people have largely ignored and forgotten altogteher, because all they can focus on are lazy arguments and discussion about race and equality.

https://www.hockessincommunitynews.com/article/20081021/NEWS/310219952


People forget that minority communities themselves were initially against busing and it ruined schools were minorities were the majority of students and where minorities were obtaining power to run the schools.

Everything falls though to the argument of an idolized and fanciful vision for diversity.

DE also has incredibly low property taxes which fund the public schools. Big differences between DE and the other schools in mid atlantic

+1 DE gets what it pays for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Originally grew up in Delaware during the years with all of the busing that Biden is now in trouble for.

Busing in DE completely ruined the entire DE public school system. Why do you think DE has such low home values for being in such a prime location on the East Coast? It's because they're public schools are horrendous. DE has for years had one of the highest rates of enrollment in private schools per capita in the country.

Rather than being able to go to neighborhood school, kids in DE would routinely have to be bused for hours all across the state to desegregate. This day in age, isn't burning fossil fuels supposed to be a no-no? Kids in DE weren't allowed to walk down the street to go to school, they had to get up at 5:20 AM in my day to catch buses to make it to school on time.

And what has happened years later in DE? Everyone realized how stupid busing was, and DE has now been allowed to go back to community based schools where kids can once again go back to being able to walk to school. But the damage has already been done. DE public schools are in trouble. Busing has done nothing over the years to improve DE's public schooling system and educational outcomes. Everything just got really mediocre-to-terrible, and its what is going to come to Howard and Montgomery County.

Check out these excellent articles and stories of what happened in Delaware:

https://whyy.org/articles/mass-exodus-students-costing-delaware-school-district-taxpayers/

Also I HIGHLY RECOMMEND this history piece on schools, busing and desegregation initiatives in DE. It's a history that people have largely ignored and forgotten altogteher, because all they can focus on are lazy arguments and discussion about race and equality.

https://www.hockessincommunitynews.com/article/20081021/NEWS/310219952


People forget that minority communities themselves were initially against busing and it ruined schools were minorities were the majority of students and where minorities were obtaining power to run the schools.

Everything falls though to the argument of an idolized and fanciful vision for diversity.

DE also has incredibly low property taxes which fund the public schools. Big differences between DE and the other schools in mid atlantic

+1 DE gets what it pays for.

Well, since there's absolutely no correlation between per-child spending and performance, perhaps they're just being fiscally prudent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Everything falls though to the argument of an idolized and fanciful vision for diversity.

A shorter way to say this is, "I am fine with segregated schools."

(Including literal segregation. Delaware was a Jim Crow state, and public schools were segregated by law. Do you know people who attended school under Jim Crow? I do.)

Except your argument woefully fails, because in the 2000s, courts ruled that DE could once again go back to community based schools. You also failed to read the history link I provided. In it, you'd read about the fact that proponents who once were for school desegregation and busing changed their mind, because they realized that they shouldn't have gone after the schools, but after the housing. In the end, DE schools have all pretty much gone down the tubes, and have been permanently damaged since. Everyone in DE now sends their kids to private or charter schools. Shoulda gone after housing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Originally grew up in Delaware during the years with all of the busing that Biden is now in trouble for.

Busing in DE completely ruined the entire DE public school system. Why do you think DE has such low home values for being in such a prime location on the East Coast? It's because they're public schools are horrendous. DE has for years had one of the highest rates of enrollment in private schools per capita in the country.

Rather than being able to go to neighborhood school, kids in DE would routinely have to be bused for hours all across the state to desegregate. This day in age, isn't burning fossil fuels supposed to be a no-no? Kids in DE weren't allowed to walk down the street to go to school, they had to get up at 5:20 AM in my day to catch buses to make it to school on time.

And what has happened years later in DE? Everyone realized how stupid busing was, and DE has now been allowed to go back to community based schools where kids can once again go back to being able to walk to school. But the damage has already been done. DE public schools are in trouble. Busing has done nothing over the years to improve DE's public schooling system and educational outcomes. Everything just got really mediocre-to-terrible, and its what is going to come to Howard and Montgomery County.

Check out these excellent articles and stories of what happened in Delaware:

https://whyy.org/articles/mass-exodus-students-costing-delaware-school-district-taxpayers/

Also I HIGHLY RECOMMEND this history piece on schools, busing and desegregation initiatives in DE. It's a history that people have largely ignored and forgotten altogteher, because all they can focus on are lazy arguments and discussion about race and equality.

https://www.hockessincommunitynews.com/article/20081021/NEWS/310219952


People forget that minority communities themselves were initially against busing and it ruined schools were minorities were the majority of students and where minorities were obtaining power to run the schools.

Everything falls though to the argument of an idolized and fanciful vision for diversity.

DE also has incredibly low property taxes which fund the public schools. Big differences between DE and the other schools in mid atlantic

No, the big difference between DE and MD is that DE is waaaaaaaaaaaay more friendly to businesses and corporations. DE has lower rates of taxes because they garner so many fees and revenues from companies incorporating in DE. So yes, DE might have lower property and sales taxes, but it takes in a lot more through other mechanisms. Plus, it doesn't have the cheapest income taxes. DE schools aren't crap because of tax issues alone.

[Anonymous]

Was just curious, what are the people that live in areas that are potentially getting zoned OUT of river hill high doing right now? I can't imagine the anxiety knowing that you could potentially lose that much money overnight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Was just curious, what are the people that live in areas that are potentially getting zoned OUT of river hill high doing right now? I can't imagine the anxiety knowing that you could potentially lose that much money overnight.

Panicking, evidently. And trying to find arguments against rezoning that aren't "But I might lose a lot of money!"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Everything falls though to the argument of an idolized and fanciful vision for diversity.

A shorter way to say this is, "I am fine with segregated schools."

(Including literal segregation. Delaware was a Jim Crow state, and public schools were segregated by law. Do you know people who attended school under Jim Crow? I do.)

Except your argument woefully fails, because in the 2000s, courts ruled that DE could once again go back to community based schools. You also failed to read the history link I provided. In it, you'd read about the fact that proponents who once were for school desegregation and busing changed their mind, because they realized that they shouldn't have gone after the schools, but after the housing. In the end, DE schools have all pretty much gone down the tubes, and have been permanently damaged since. Everyone in DE now sends their kids to private or charter schools. Shoulda gone after housing.

Shoulda gone after BOTH - segregated schools, and segregated housing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was just curious, what are the people that live in areas that are potentially getting zoned OUT of river hill high doing right now? I can't imagine the anxiety knowing that you could potentially lose that much money overnight.

Panicking, evidently. And trying to find arguments against rezoning that aren't "But I might lose a lot of money!"

It's a pretty valid argument nonetheless. The county's actions is seeing housing values drop by more than $100k. That's stiff change. I imagine lawsuits will be filed.