Va. man brutally beaten 10 years ago dies from his injuries - what now?

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Anonymous wrote:Morbid curiosity: what precipitated the attack? Did the assailants just walk up and cold cock him? Did they all know each other prior to that evening?

He was talking trash, but didn’t physically touch anyone.

It did start because Diviney started trash talking a group of random strangers. Initially the whole thing was going to end peacefully, but as the other group started to walk away, Diviney walked back to them and started trash talking again (I think there were some slurs involved, but I may be remembering that incorrectly). When the other group reacted and threatened him, he started to back away but apparently kept making smart remarks. One of the assailants punched him, he hit the ground, and then the other one kicked him in the head.

Nothing justifies the assault at all, but there is a lesson to be learned here on all sides about mixing alcohol, provocation and violence.

That's the wrong lesson to be learned here. The correct lesson is that some people are crazy evil people who will kill you but do not wear warning signs that say that.

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NAILED IT.

NOTHING justifies what these monsters and their monster families did. NOTHING.

I think we should leave the families out of this completely. They are not the people who killed Ryan Diviney nor should they be painted with the same brush as the two assailants are. I, for one, don't expect anything from those families. Of course they support their sons even though their kids did horrific things. They are going to want the best outcome for their sons possible, whatever that may be. It is up to society to to try these men for their crimes, though. You can't blame their parents for the way the justice system has handled this whole nightmare.

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Anonymous wrote:Try it in the court of public opinion so their lives are ruined. Every time someone googles their names, their victim’s picture and story should be the first thing that pops. For the rest of their lives.

Is that not harassment?
You got to let go.
Law doesn't always work out right. We cannot prosecute every one who was in a fight 10 years ago. The cause of death could be anything, people grow old and die, make poor health and diet decisions, have undiagnosed medical conditions

Let it go. Revenge is futile

Especially when it's revenge on behalf of strangers because people don't know how to deal with their own rage issues in a more constructive way.

Isn't it just a natural consequence that when you violently beat another human being into a vegetative state, and your victim dies, your name will always and forever associated with his death? How is that not 100% predictable?

You would still struggle with rage issues even if this incident never happened, you'd just find something else to project them onto.

Well, gee, I am not the one who punted another human being's head like a football. Would I want a person like that coaching my child in little league? No freakin' way. The person with the rage issue is not me.

No, you just like to toss out that phrase over and over again to attention whore off another family's tragedy. It's so gross.

What phrase would that be? "Vegetative state", "Punting" his head like a football? Do tell me what you find so inaccurate about my word choice.

I can only hope that these savages lives are completely ruined. Their parents should have been parenting instead of seeing how many kids they could crank out. I've seen this before in two parent working families, big families - the kids are pretty much on their own and they are hostile little bastards with big, adult sized issues. This isn't true of all big and/or working families, but I do know one or two, and it is bad. The parents are totally in denial. I could see this happening with them some day. Not judging, just observing based on some pretty awful stuff their boys have done - at high school, during school hours, mind you.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..... Wait. You really think you aren't. That's... interesting.

Forgive me for judging murderers?

You must know these savages, because no one in their right mind thinks what these monsters did is in any way excusable.

You better not piss them off.

*Face palm.* No. For judging the crap out of two-parent working families. Just saying "not judging" and "this isn't true of all two parent working families, BUT...." doesn't make that not one of the most judgmental a-hole things to insinuate. I can't believe I just had to explain that.

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Anonymous wrote:Morbid curiosity: what precipitated the attack? Did the assailants just walk up and cold cock him? Did they all know each other prior to that evening?

He was talking trash, but didn’t physically touch anyone.

It did start because Diviney started trash talking a group of random strangers. Initially the whole thing was going to end peacefully, but as the other group started to walk away, Diviney walked back to them and started trash talking again (I think there were some slurs involved, but I may be remembering that incorrectly). When the other group reacted and threatened him, he started to back away but apparently kept making smart remarks. One of the assailants punched him, he hit the ground, and then the other one kicked him in the head.

Nothing justifies the assault at all, but there is a lesson to be learned here on all sides about mixing alcohol, provocation and violence.

That's the wrong lesson to be learned here. The correct lesson is that some people are crazy evil people who will kill you but do not wear warning signs that say that.

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NAILED IT.

NOTHING justifies what these monsters and their monster families did. NOTHING.

I think we should leave the families out of this completely. They are not the people who killed Ryan Diviney nor should they be painted with the same brush as the two assailants are. I, for one, don't expect anything from those families. Of course they support their sons even though their kids did horrific things. They are going to want the best outcome for their sons possible, whatever that may be. It is up to society to to try these men for their crimes, though. You can't blame their parents for the way the justice system has handled this whole nightmare.

I have known parents who did nothing for their violent sons, who had anger issues from a young age. I know what they are capable of, and yes, I blame the parents almost as much as the perpetrators. The kinds of kids were never told "no" or given the help or boundaries they need - they were not thrown out of high school when they clearly should have been, for assault and worse. That was the PARENTS choice and the PARENTS job, and the PARENTS failed. You don't protect your child from being given appropriate consequences forever, because this is exactly what happens. That monster that those parents created -- took a son and brother and cousin and nephew away from their family. There is NO excuse for that.

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Anonymous wrote:Morbid curiosity: what precipitated the attack? Did the assailants just walk up and cold cock him? Did they all know each other prior to that evening?

He was talking trash, but didn’t physically touch anyone.

It did start because Diviney started trash talking a group of random strangers. Initially the whole thing was going to end peacefully, but as the other group started to walk away, Diviney walked back to them and started trash talking again (I think there were some slurs involved, but I may be remembering that incorrectly). When the other group reacted and threatened him, he started to back away but apparently kept making smart remarks. One of the assailants punched him, he hit the ground, and then the other one kicked him in the head.

Nothing justifies the assault at all, but there is a lesson to be learned here on all sides about mixing alcohol, provocation and violence.

That's the wrong lesson to be learned here. The correct lesson is that some people are crazy evil people who will kill you but do not wear warning signs that say that.

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NAILED IT.

NOTHING justifies what these monsters and their monster families did. NOTHING.

I think we should leave the families out of this completely. They are not the people who killed Ryan Diviney nor should they be painted with the same brush as the two assailants are. I, for one, don't expect anything from those families. Of course they support their sons even though their kids did horrific things. They are going to want the best outcome for their sons possible, whatever that may be. It is up to society to to try these men for their crimes, though. You can't blame their parents for the way the justice system has handled this whole nightmare.

I have known parents who did nothing for their violent sons, who had anger issues from a young age. I know what they are capable of, and yes, I blame the parents almost as much as the perpetrators. The kinds of kids were never told "no" or given the help or boundaries they need - they were not thrown out of high school when they clearly should have been, for assault and worse. That was the PARENTS choice and the PARENTS job, and the PARENTS failed. You don't protect your child from being given appropriate consequences forever, because this is exactly what happens. That monster that those parents created -- took a son and brother and cousin and nephew away from their family. There is NO excuse for that.

I don't know the parents and they have not been accused of any wrong doing. It is possible for a young adult child to do something awful w/o the parents playing any role in it. I don't think it's fair to vilify an entire family for the actions of one family member.

These young men were old enough to be accountable for their actions. It is not their parents' fault that the justice system failed to punish them accordingly. And, on a separate note, it is not the parents' fault that the high schools didn't expel these young men. If the young men were major discipline problems and a danger to the other students why the heck weren't they expelled? Kids get expelled for a heck of a lot less than that.

Did either of these young men have a history of bad, violent behavior? I do find it hard to believe that what they did to Ryan was their first violent encounter...

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Anonymous wrote:Morbid curiosity: what precipitated the attack? Did the assailants just walk up and cold cock him? Did they all know each other prior to that evening?

He was talking trash, but didn’t physically touch anyone.

It did start because Diviney started trash talking a group of random strangers. Initially the whole thing was going to end peacefully, but as the other group started to walk away, Diviney walked back to them and started trash talking again (I think there were some slurs involved, but I may be remembering that incorrectly). When the other group reacted and threatened him, he started to back away but apparently kept making smart remarks. One of the assailants punched him, he hit the ground, and then the other one kicked him in the head.

Nothing justifies the assault at all, but there is a lesson to be learned here on all sides about mixing alcohol, provocation and violence.

That's the wrong lesson to be learned here. The correct lesson is that some people are crazy evil people who will kill you but do not wear warning signs that say that.

That’s part of the lesson. Don’t go out of your way to provoke people because you never know who might be the person to snap in response. It doesn’t lessen the culpability of the person who snapped, but the other person’s culpability is cold comfort when you end up like Ryan Diviney.

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Anonymous wrote:Morbid curiosity: what precipitated the attack? Did the assailants just walk up and cold cock him? Did they all know each other prior to that evening?

He was talking trash, but didn’t physically touch anyone.

It did start because Diviney started trash talking a group of random strangers. Initially the whole thing was going to end peacefully, but as the other group started to walk away, Diviney walked back to them and started trash talking again (I think there were some slurs involved, but I may be remembering that incorrectly). When the other group reacted and threatened him, he started to back away but apparently kept making smart remarks. One of the assailants punched him, he hit the ground, and then the other one kicked him in the head.

Nothing justifies the assault at all, but there is a lesson to be learned here on all sides about mixing alcohol, provocation and violence.

That's the wrong lesson to be learned here. The correct lesson is that some people are crazy evil people who will kill you but do not wear warning signs that say that.

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NAILED IT.

NOTHING justifies what these monsters and their monster families did. NOTHING.

I think we should leave the families out of this completely. They are not the people who killed Ryan Diviney nor should they be painted with the same brush as the two assailants are. I, for one, don't expect anything from those families. Of course they support their sons even though their kids did horrific things. They are going to want the best outcome for their sons possible, whatever that may be. It is up to society to to try these men for their crimes, though. You can't blame their parents for the way the justice system has handled this whole nightmare.

I have known parents who did nothing for their violent sons, who had anger issues from a young age. I know what they are capable of, and yes, I blame the parents almost as much as the perpetrators. The kinds of kids were never told "no" or given the help or boundaries they need - they were not thrown out of high school when they clearly should have been, for assault and worse. That was the PARENTS choice and the PARENTS job, and the PARENTS failed. You don't protect your child from being given appropriate consequences forever, because this is exactly what happens. That monster that those parents created -- took a son and brother and cousin and nephew away from their family. There is NO excuse for that.

You need better friends.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Morbid curiosity: what precipitated the attack? Did the assailants just walk up and cold cock him? Did they all know each other prior to that evening?

He was talking trash, but didn’t physically touch anyone.

It did start because Diviney started trash talking a group of random strangers. Initially the whole thing was going to end peacefully, but as the other group started to walk away, Diviney walked back to them and started trash talking again (I think there were some slurs involved, but I may be remembering that incorrectly). When the other group reacted and threatened him, he started to back away but apparently kept making smart remarks. One of the assailants punched him, he hit the ground, and then the other one kicked him in the head.

Nothing justifies the assault at all, but there is a lesson to be learned here on all sides about mixing alcohol, provocation and violence.

That's the wrong lesson to be learned here. The correct lesson is that some people are crazy evil people who will kill you but do not wear warning signs that say that.

That’s part of the lesson. Don’t go out of your way to provoke people because you never know who might be the person to snap in response. It doesn’t lessen the culpability of the person who snapped, but the other person’s culpability is cold comfort when you end up like Ryan Diviney.

That kind of drunk, obnoxious razzing about sports teams happens all the time. Usually it's all good spirited teasing. Sometimes it gets a little heated. But for someone to snap and pound a person into a vegetative state? No, that is pretty unheard of. Not a normal or expect reaction AT ALL especially among groups of college kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Morbid curiosity: what precipitated the attack? Did the assailants just walk up and cold cock him? Did they all know each other prior to that evening?

He was talking trash, but didn’t physically touch anyone.

It did start because Diviney started trash talking a group of random strangers. Initially the whole thing was going to end peacefully, but as the other group started to walk away, Diviney walked back to them and started trash talking again (I think there were some slurs involved, but I may be remembering that incorrectly). When the other group reacted and threatened him, he started to back away but apparently kept making smart remarks. One of the assailants punched him, he hit the ground, and then the other one kicked him in the head.

Nothing justifies the assault at all, but there is a lesson to be learned here on all sides about mixing alcohol, provocation and violence.

That's the wrong lesson to be learned here. The correct lesson is that some people are crazy evil people who will kill you but do not wear warning signs that say that.

That’s part of the lesson. Don’t go out of your way to provoke people because you never know who might be the person to snap in response. It doesn’t lessen the culpability of the person who snapped, but the other person’s culpability is cold comfort when you end up like Ryan Diviney.

That kind of drunk, obnoxious razzing about sports teams happens all the time. Usually it's all good spirited teasing. Sometimes it gets a little heated. But for someone to snap and pound a person into a vegetative state? No, that is pretty unheard of. Not a normal or expect reaction AT ALL especially among groups of college kids.

If it weren’t for the fact that he went back to them the second time to harass them, I might agree with you. But there’s still no reason to go around insulting random strangers, even over a sports team. Save it for your friends where you know how they’ll react.

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^ yep. He was obnoxious and deserved to be killed for it. Great point you are making.

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Anonymous wrote:^ yep. He was obnoxious and deserved to be killed for it. Great point you are making.

Do you often struggle with reading comprehension?

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Anonymous wrote:^ yep. He was obnoxious and deserved to be killed for it. Great point you are making.

Do you often struggle with reading comprehension?

DP here. The point you are making is that the victim should have kept his mouth shut. I am certain I am not the only one who thinks you know the killers. In which case, it is too late for them to take parenting classes ie: "How Not to Raise a Psychopath Killer Who Thinks it is Okay to Bash Someone's Head in If They Don't Like Your Team."

GTFOH.

You are as bad as the killer and their irresponsible, narcissistic parents. A boy is dead, you idiot.

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Anonymous wrote:Morbid curiosity: what precipitated the attack? Did the assailants just walk up and cold cock him? Did they all know each other prior to that evening?

He was talking trash, but didn’t physically touch anyone.

It did start because Diviney started trash talking a group of random strangers. Initially the whole thing was going to end peacefully, but as the other group started to walk away, Diviney walked back to them and started trash talking again (I think there were some slurs involved, but I may be remembering that incorrectly). When the other group reacted and threatened him, he started to back away but apparently kept making smart remarks. One of the assailants punched him, he hit the ground, and then the other one kicked him in the head.

Nothing justifies the assault at all, but there is a lesson to be learned here on all sides about mixing alcohol, provocation and violence.

That's the wrong lesson to be learned here. The correct lesson is that some people are crazy evil people who will kill you but do not wear warning signs that say that.

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NAILED IT.

NOTHING justifies what these monsters and their monster families did. NOTHING.

I think we should leave the families out of this completely. They are not the people who killed Ryan Diviney nor should they be painted with the same brush as the two assailants are. I, for one, don't expect anything from those families. Of course they support their sons even though their kids did horrific things. They are going to want the best outcome for their sons possible, whatever that may be. It is up to society to to try these men for their crimes, though. You can't blame their parents for the way the justice system has handled this whole nightmare.

I have known parents who did nothing for their violent sons, who had anger issues from a young age. I know what they are capable of, and yes, I blame the parents almost as much as the perpetrators. The kinds of kids were never told "no" or given the help or boundaries they need - they were not thrown out of high school when they clearly should have been, for assault and worse. That was the PARENTS choice and the PARENTS job, and the PARENTS failed. You don't protect your child from being given appropriate consequences forever, because this is exactly what happens. That monster that those parents created -- took a son and brother and cousin and nephew away from their family. There is NO excuse for that.

You need better friends.

Not my friends, but you are partially correct - boys like those have been trouble for a big part of their lives, this stuff doesn't fester over night, and they undoubtedly need better parents. Undoubtedly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Morbid curiosity: what precipitated the attack? Did the assailants just walk up and cold cock him? Did they all know each other prior to that evening?

He was talking trash, but didn’t physically touch anyone.

It did start because Diviney started trash talking a group of random strangers. Initially the whole thing was going to end peacefully, but as the other group started to walk away, Diviney walked back to them and started trash talking again (I think there were some slurs involved, but I may be remembering that incorrectly). When the other group reacted and threatened him, he started to back away but apparently kept making smart remarks. One of the assailants punched him, he hit the ground, and then the other one kicked him in the head.

Nothing justifies the assault at all, but there is a lesson to be learned here on all sides about mixing alcohol, provocation and violence.

That's the wrong lesson to be learned here. The correct lesson is that some people are crazy evil people who will kill you but do not wear warning signs that say that.

That’s part of the lesson. Don’t go out of your way to provoke people because you never know who might be the person to snap in response. It doesn’t lessen the culpability of the person who snapped, but the other person’s culpability is cold comfort when you end up like Ryan Diviney.

You are justifying this BS. You are no better than the killers. Those killers will never be anything else, it will follow them everywhere, for the rest of their lives - as it should. They will never escape what they did, and I hope they see that bloodied, dying boy in their dreams every single night of their pathetic, good for nothing lives.

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Anonymous wrote:Morbid curiosity: what precipitated the attack? Did the assailants just walk up and cold cock him? Did they all know each other prior to that evening?

He was talking trash, but didn’t physically touch anyone.

It did start because Diviney started trash talking a group of random strangers. Initially the whole thing was going to end peacefully, but as the other group started to walk away, Diviney walked back to them and started trash talking again (I think there were some slurs involved, but I may be remembering that incorrectly). When the other group reacted and threatened him, he started to back away but apparently kept making smart remarks. One of the assailants punched him, he hit the ground, and then the other one kicked him in the head.

Nothing justifies the assault at all, but there is a lesson to be learned here on all sides about mixing alcohol, provocation and violence.

That's the wrong lesson to be learned here. The correct lesson is that some people are crazy evil people who will kill you but do not wear warning signs that say that.

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NAILED IT.

NOTHING justifies what these monsters and their monster families did. NOTHING.

I think we should leave the families out of this completely. They are not the people who killed Ryan Diviney nor should they be painted with the same brush as the two assailants are. I, for one, don't expect anything from those families. Of course they support their sons even though their kids did horrific things. They are going to want the best outcome for their sons possible, whatever that may be. It is up to society to to try these men for their crimes, though. You can't blame their parents for the way the justice system has handled this whole nightmare.

I have known parents who did nothing for their violent sons, who had anger issues from a young age. I know what they are capable of, and yes, I blame the parents almost as much as the perpetrators. The kinds of kids were never told "no" or given the help or boundaries they need - they were not thrown out of high school when they clearly should have been, for assault and worse. That was the PARENTS choice and the PARENTS job, and the PARENTS failed. You don't protect your child from being given appropriate consequences forever, because this is exactly what happens. That monster that those parents created -- took a son and brother and cousin and nephew away from their family. There is NO excuse for that.

I don't know the parents and they have not been accused of any wrong doing. It is possible for a young adult child to do something awful w/o the parents playing any role in it. I don't think it's fair to vilify an entire family for the actions of one family member.

These young men were old enough to be accountable for their actions. It is not their parents' fault that the justice system failed to punish them accordingly. And, on a separate note, it is not the parents' fault that the high schools didn't expel these young men. If the young men were major discipline problems and a danger to the other students why the heck weren't they expelled? Kids get expelled for a heck of a lot less than that.

Did either of these young men have a history of bad, violent behavior? I do find it hard to believe that what they did to Ryan was their first violent encounter...

My money is on the fact that it likely was not their first rodeo, and their parents have gotten them off the hook before. It is typical for this behavior.

You need to learn more about criminal behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anger management anyone? These boys had problems, and it likely stemmed straight from home.