Va. man brutally beaten 10 years ago dies from his injuries - what now?

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Anonymous wrote:Morbid curiosity: what precipitated the attack? Did the assailants just walk up and cold cock him? Did they all know each other prior to that evening?

He was talking trash, but didn’t physically touch anyone.

The one guy punched him from behind causing him to fall to the ground and hit his head on a grate. The other proceeded to kick him in the head as he lay there on the ground. He never woke up.

I wonder if they cold tell if the major injury was caused by the fall and initial head injury or by the kicking. It isn't uncommon for a big drunk guy (off balance) to end up with a serious or even fatal health injury from a punch or a push. However the person punching or pushing has no intention of killing them. They are just 'fighting' and while 99.9% of a time a punch or a push is not fatal, the odds increase when you punch or push a big drunk guy who easily loses balance, has limited reflexes and falls hard. If it was the push and fall that caused the major injury - it was really manslaughter, not murder. There was no intent. You can't say that every punch or push ever is attempted murder.

If the kicking was what caused the major injuries, then there is a greater case, as there is more intention to cause harm when you kick someone lying on the ground in the head. However it might still be hard to argue that the intention was to kill him

No, kicking someone in the head is by definition aggravated assault or murder (depending on the result). You can't argue that you didn't know what you were doing.

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Anonymous wrote:Morbid curiosity: what precipitated the attack? Did the assailants just walk up and cold cock him? Did they all know each other prior to that evening?

He was talking trash, but didn’t physically touch anyone.

The one guy punched him from behind causing him to fall to the ground and hit his head on a grate. The other proceeded to kick him in the head as he lay there on the ground. He never woke up.

I wonder if they cold tell if the major injury was caused by the fall and initial head injury or by the kicking. It isn't uncommon for a big drunk guy (off balance) to end up with a serious or even fatal health injury from a punch or a push. However the person punching or pushing has no intention of killing them. They are just 'fighting' and while 99.9% of a time a punch or a push is not fatal, the odds increase when you punch or push a big drunk guy who easily loses balance, has limited reflexes and falls hard. If it was the push and fall that caused the major injury - it was really manslaughter, not murder. There was no intent. You can't say that every punch or push ever is attempted murder.

If the kicking was what caused the major injuries, then there is a greater case, as there is more intention to cause harm when you kick someone lying on the ground in the head. However it might still be hard to argue that the intention was to kill him

Intent isn't the intent to kill, it's the intent to punch/kick. Manslaughter is for mistakes or foreseeable accidents.

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Anonymous wrote:“I can’t make any arguments based in actual law, so I’m going to keep repeating the same thing in increasing hysterical and inflammatory fashion.”

DP. If he died from an infection (I haven't seen anything that specific), then it was a complication of his original injuries sustained in the assault.

Unless something else caused it. People get infections (and die from them) all the time due to things like hospital exposure and improper hand washing, even when they’re not in permanent vegetative states. It’s not something unique to that condition.

DP. He had a major brain injury. When you have a major brain injury, one of the results is that your body cannot regulate heart rate and blood pressure as well. So death results from that, eventually.

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So I guess it’ll be up to prosecutors to determine how, if at all, to proceed?

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Anonymous wrote:Morbid curiosity: what precipitated the attack? Did the assailants just walk up and cold cock him? Did they all know each other prior to that evening?

He was talking trash, but didn’t physically touch anyone.

The one guy punched him from behind causing him to fall to the ground and hit his head on a grate. The other proceeded to kick him in the head as he lay there on the ground. He never woke up.

I wonder if they cold tell if the major injury was caused by the fall and initial head injury or by the kicking. It isn't uncommon for a big drunk guy (off balance) to end up with a serious or even fatal health injury from a punch or a push. However the person punching or pushing has no intention of killing them. They are just 'fighting' and while 99.9% of a time a punch or a push is not fatal, the odds increase when you punch or push a big drunk guy who easily loses balance, has limited reflexes and falls hard. If it was the push and fall that caused the major injury - it was really manslaughter, not murder. There was no intent. You can't say that every punch or push ever is attempted murder.

If the kicking was what caused the major injuries, then there is a greater case, as there is more intention to cause harm when you kick someone lying on the ground in the head. However it might still be hard to argue that the intention was to kill him

No, kicking someone in the head is by definition aggravated assault or murder (depending on the result). You can't argue that you didn't know what you were doing.

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These animals were literally kicking this boy *in the head* *while he was down*. NOTHING the victim could have said warrants kicking him in the head when he was down.

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From 7:29 -

"The last decision Ryan made for himself was taunting a bunch of people he thought wouldn't respond. Not that their response was okay, but he was not just walking down the street minding his own business when two guys jumped him out of the blue."

"Is that what you’d say if this had happened to your kid?"

"No, I might also be in denial that my kid was a belligerent drunk who initiated the incident by taunting a group of people who were otherwise minding their own business over their baseball fandom, and who, when those people started to move on, decided to provoke them further for the fun of it."

Are. You. Kidding. Me.

You sound like a Redskins fan. There was actually a thread here the other day about how irrationally angry and hostile they are, and that some families won't bother going to the games because it is all drunken hostile people.....

Did it occur to you that you don't beat people up over an exchange of words? Did it occur to you that you don't kick a man when he is down over an exchange of words? Did it occur to you that you don't KILL a man over an exchange of words? Are you that completely barbaric to disagree with this? "Raised among wolves" doesn't being to cover it.

Not to get on the subject of fandom, but in normal people, it is not a topic to spark a life ending beating. "Sticks and stones...." and all. These animals should be given the chair for what they did, and not allowed ANY life. Don't sit there and pretend they are "good kids" when they clearly are not.

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Anonymous wrote:“I can’t make any arguments based in actual law, so I’m going to keep repeating the same thing in increasing hysterical and inflammatory fashion.”

DP. If he died from an infection (I haven't seen anything that specific), then it was a complication of his original injuries sustained in the assault.

Unless something else caused it. People get infections (and die from them) all the time due to things like hospital exposure and improper hand washing, even when they’re not in permanent vegetative states. It’s not something unique to that condition.

Walking down that street was the last decision that Ryan made for himself. After his assault he was rendered completely helpless, immobile, unconscious, unaware. That is no life. His body is now dead but he lost his life 10 years ago.

The last decision Ryan made for himself was taunting a bunch of people he thought wouldn't respond. Not that their response was okay, but he was not just walking down the street minding his own business when two guys jumped him out of the blue.

Is that what you’d say if this had happened to your kid?

No, I might also be in denial that my kid was a belligerent drunk who initiated the incident by taunting a group of people who were otherwise minding their own business over their baseball fandom, and who, when those people started to move on, decided to provoke them further for the fun of it.

Maybe let go of your anger?

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You need help. Yesterday. Like these animals did.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Morbid curiosity: what precipitated the attack? Did the assailants just walk up and cold cock him? Did they all know each other prior to that evening?

He was talking trash, but didn’t physically touch anyone.

The one guy punched him from behind causing him to fall to the ground and hit his head on a grate. The other proceeded to kick him in the head as he lay there on the ground. He never woke up.

I wonder if they cold tell if the major injury was caused by the fall and initial head injury or by the kicking. It isn't uncommon for a big drunk guy (off balance) to end up with a serious or even fatal health injury from a punch or a push. However the person punching or pushing has no intention of killing them. They are just 'fighting' and while 99.9% of a time a punch or a push is not fatal, the odds increase when you punch or push a big drunk guy who easily loses balance, has limited reflexes and falls hard. If it was the push and fall that caused the major injury - it was really manslaughter, not murder. There was no intent. You can't say that every punch or push ever is attempted murder.

If the kicking was what caused the major injuries, then there is a greater case, as there is more intention to cause harm when you kick someone lying on the ground in the head. However it might still be hard to argue that the intention was to kill him

No, kicking someone in the head is by definition aggravated assault or murder (depending on the result). You can't argue that you didn't know what you were doing.

They DID know. Not only did these candy ass cowards hide behind a dumpster and watch the victim die --- they proceeded straight to a party and BRAGGED about it. Yeah, nice kids alright. Great parenting there. Nice family. Right.

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Anonymous wrote:Try it in the court of public opinion so their lives are ruined. Every time someone googles their names, their victim’s picture and story should be the first thing that pops. For the rest of their lives.

Is that not harassment?
You got to let go.
Law doesn't always work out right. We cannot prosecute every one who was in a fight 10 years ago. The cause of death could be anything, people grow old and die, make poor health and diet decisions, have undiagnosed medical conditions

Let it go. Revenge is futile

Especially when it's revenge on behalf of strangers because people don't know how to deal with their own rage issues in a more constructive way.

Isn't it just a natural consequence that when you violently beat another human being into a vegetative state, and your victim dies, your name will always and forever associated with his death? How is that not 100% predictable?

You would still struggle with rage issues even if this incident never happened, you'd just find something else to project them onto.

Well, gee, I am not the one who punted another human being's head like a football. Would I want a person like that coaching my child in little league? No freakin' way. The person with the rage issue is not me.

No, you just like to toss out that phrase over and over again to attention whore off another family's tragedy. It's so gross.

What phrase would that be? "Vegetative state", "Punting" his head like a football? Do tell me what you find so inaccurate about my word choice.

I can only hope that these savages lives are completely ruined. Their parents should have been parenting instead of seeing how many kids they could crank out. I've seen this before in two parent working families, big families - the kids are pretty much on their own and they are hostile little bastards with big, adult sized issues. This isn't true of all big and/or working families, but I do know one or two, and it is bad. The parents are totally in denial. I could see this happening with them some day. Not judging, just observing based on some pretty awful stuff their boys have done - at high school, during school hours, mind you.

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Anonymous wrote:No. The phase “punted his head like a football.”

You could just say “kicked him in the head” but you keep choosing that phrase.

I get it. It was brutal. It was inhumane. It is horrifically depraved and something is wrong with him.

But this is not YOUR tragedy, presumably you do not know the family or the boy who was injured and subsequently died. I get that you think it’s a miscarriage of justice, but your suggestions that this get brought up over and over I. The press, that the prosecutor be harassed at work to bring new charges etc. seem more like vengeance than justice. It is not a good look, particularly for someone who does not have a personal connection to the case. For a person who doesn’t have a personal connection, it just looks like glomming onto someone else’s tragedy.

DP here. That quote is from a first hand witness at the scene. To that "awesome family"'s dismay. You need to read more.

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Anonymous wrote:Morbid curiosity: what precipitated the attack? Did the assailants just walk up and cold cock him? Did they all know each other prior to that evening?

He was talking trash, but didn’t physically touch anyone.

It did start because Diviney started trash talking a group of random strangers. Initially the whole thing was going to end peacefully, but as the other group started to walk away, Diviney walked back to them and started trash talking again (I think there were some slurs involved, but I may be remembering that incorrectly). When the other group reacted and threatened him, he started to back away but apparently kept making smart remarks. One of the assailants punched him, he hit the ground, and then the other one kicked him in the head.

Nothing justifies the assault at all, but there is a lesson to be learned here on all sides about mixing alcohol, provocation and violence.

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Anonymous wrote:Morbid curiosity: what precipitated the attack? Did the assailants just walk up and cold cock him? Did they all know each other prior to that evening?

He was talking trash, but didn’t physically touch anyone.

It did start because Diviney started trash talking a group of random strangers. Initially the whole thing was going to end peacefully, but as the other group started to walk away, Diviney walked back to them and started trash talking again (I think there were some slurs involved, but I may be remembering that incorrectly). When the other group reacted and threatened him, he started to back away but apparently kept making smart remarks. One of the assailants punched him, he hit the ground, and then the other one kicked him in the head.

Nothing justifies the assault at all, but there is a lesson to be learned here on all sides about mixing alcohol, provocation and violence.

That's the wrong lesson to be learned here. The correct lesson is that some people are crazy evil people who will kill you but do not wear warning signs that say that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Morbid curiosity: what precipitated the attack? Did the assailants just walk up and cold cock him? Did they all know each other prior to that evening?

He was talking trash, but didn’t physically touch anyone.

It did start because Diviney started trash talking a group of random strangers. Initially the whole thing was going to end peacefully, but as the other group started to walk away, Diviney walked back to them and started trash talking again (I think there were some slurs involved, but I may be remembering that incorrectly). When the other group reacted and threatened him, he started to back away but apparently kept making smart remarks. One of the assailants punched him, he hit the ground, and then the other one kicked him in the head.

Nothing justifies the assault at all, but there is a lesson to be learned here on all sides about mixing alcohol, provocation and violence.

That's the wrong lesson to be learned here. The correct lesson is that some people are crazy evil people who will kill you but do not wear warning signs that say that.

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NAILED IT.

NOTHING justifies what these monsters and their monster families did. NOTHING.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Try it in the court of public opinion so their lives are ruined. Every time someone googles their names, their victim’s picture and story should be the first thing that pops. For the rest of their lives.

Is that not harassment?
You got to let go.
Law doesn't always work out right. We cannot prosecute every one who was in a fight 10 years ago. The cause of death could be anything, people grow old and die, make poor health and diet decisions, have undiagnosed medical conditions

Let it go. Revenge is futile

Especially when it's revenge on behalf of strangers because people don't know how to deal with their own rage issues in a more constructive way.

Isn't it just a natural consequence that when you violently beat another human being into a vegetative state, and your victim dies, your name will always and forever associated with his death? How is that not 100% predictable?

You would still struggle with rage issues even if this incident never happened, you'd just find something else to project them onto.

Well, gee, I am not the one who punted another human being's head like a football. Would I want a person like that coaching my child in little league? No freakin' way. The person with the rage issue is not me.

No, you just like to toss out that phrase over and over again to attention whore off another family's tragedy. It's so gross.

What phrase would that be? "Vegetative state", "Punting" his head like a football? Do tell me what you find so inaccurate about my word choice.

I can only hope that these savages lives are completely ruined. Their parents should have been parenting instead of seeing how many kids they could crank out. I've seen this before in two parent working families, big families - the kids are pretty much on their own and they are hostile little bastards with big, adult sized issues. This isn't true of all big and/or working families, but I do know one or two, and it is bad. The parents are totally in denial. I could see this happening with them some day. Not judging, just observing based on some pretty awful stuff their boys have done - at high school, during school hours, mind you.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..... Wait. You really think you aren't. That's... interesting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Try it in the court of public opinion so their lives are ruined. Every time someone googles their names, their victim’s picture and story should be the first thing that pops. For the rest of their lives.

Is that not harassment?
You got to let go.
Law doesn't always work out right. We cannot prosecute every one who was in a fight 10 years ago. The cause of death could be anything, people grow old and die, make poor health and diet decisions, have undiagnosed medical conditions

Let it go. Revenge is futile

Especially when it's revenge on behalf of strangers because people don't know how to deal with their own rage issues in a more constructive way.

Isn't it just a natural consequence that when you violently beat another human being into a vegetative state, and your victim dies, your name will always and forever associated with his death? How is that not 100% predictable?

You would still struggle with rage issues even if this incident never happened, you'd just find something else to project them onto.

Well, gee, I am not the one who punted another human being's head like a football. Would I want a person like that coaching my child in little league? No freakin' way. The person with the rage issue is not me.

No, you just like to toss out that phrase over and over again to attention whore off another family's tragedy. It's so gross.

What phrase would that be? "Vegetative state", "Punting" his head like a football? Do tell me what you find so inaccurate about my word choice.

I can only hope that these savages lives are completely ruined. Their parents should have been parenting instead of seeing how many kids they could crank out. I've seen this before in two parent working families, big families - the kids are pretty much on their own and they are hostile little bastards with big, adult sized issues. This isn't true of all big and/or working families, but I do know one or two, and it is bad. The parents are totally in denial. I could see this happening with them some day. Not judging, just observing based on some pretty awful stuff their boys have done - at high school, during school hours, mind you.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..... Wait. You really think you aren't. That's... interesting.

Forgive me for judging murderers?

You must know these savages, because no one in their right mind thinks what these monsters did is in any way excusable.

You better not piss them off.