Wootton or Churchill or RM

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Anonymous wrote:RM doesn't belong in this comparison if you are comparing schools. It's over crowded with poor test scores despite having magnets.

Yes because RM has poor kids and the other schools don't. Ripe for boundary redrawing. What will W parents do when more poor kids come into their schools and bring down the test scores? I guess you will move to private because the poor kids might infect your kid and bring down your kid's test scores.

I would prefer lower test scores as it makes it less stressful and of course the smart but not perfect kids will be ranked higher. That said, I don’t want all the fights, sex in hallways, anti-semitism, and asylum seekers with a 3rd grade education in my school to get those higher ranks.

Churchill boundaries won’t be changed. They already have every low income area in their area and there really isn’t any others around them.

Um.. ok <5% FARMs is nothing compared to neighboring RM with about 20% FARMs. But I guess to people like you, the few FARMs students you do have is enough, and you don't want more.

Take Twinbrook, which was once a nice area now turned into El Salvador, out of the equation and RM farms would be just the same as Churchill. You can’t bus past multiple schools and break up massive boundary lines. Churchill won’t change

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What is interesting about RM is that the area surrounding it is changing. Unlike areas in the east where the low poverty is so pervasive and zoned in its just not going anywhere, the area near RM is changing over. Cheap SFH rental houses are being bought by owner occupants or developers and remodeled. Developers are trying to build nicer condos and THs. Rockville seems eager to clean up the Twin brook area so within 10 years this area may not be low income anymore. I seriously doubt that any would chop up Twin brook into three sections to sprinkle the poor kids across Churchill. Wootton and RM. Even if they did so this, those areas that were rezoned into Churchill or Wootton would automatically jump in value and turn over to UMC families.

I'd say that any of the 3 are a safe bet for the next 10 years.

I agree. I'm noticing property values in TB near the metro going up. Those newer homes near Rockville Town Center are going for close to $1mil. Then you throw in the redrawing of the boundaries eventually, and those three schools won't be too dissimilar.

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Anonymous wrote:The PP was referencing that there are no more nearby areas with high FARMS students to add into Churchill. You have got to accept that if your goal is to add lots of poor students to Churchill then they will need to be on a very long bus ride past other schools. Wootton is the same geographic situation.

Its not going to happen. No kid wants to be bussed somewhere because they were picked for being poor. No kid wants to be bussed somewhere because they were picked for being rich either. It expensive and unpopular with everyone who is effected.

There are no high schools on Montrose/Randolph Road or near Congressional Lane. Those areas are only a 10 minute drive from Churchill and would provide the diversity needed if the apartment complexes were included in the boundary change.

Also, currently some students attending Churchill are on a bus for 45 minutes and would have a shorter commute if redistricted to Poolesville or Wootton. There actually is a community split in half between Wootton and Churchill in which the Churchill students ride a bus past Wootton. Some Cabin John students who will eventually go to Wootton ride past Hoover Middle School and Churchill High School everyday. The Board of Education can redraw boundaries anyway they want. They ultimately have the final say and may feel pressure from civil rights groups to balance out schools anyway possible. Redrawing school boundaries is a controversial move but probably needed if diversity is a school priority.

Randolph road is no where near a 10min drive to Churchill. It says 18 minutes with no traffic from the train tracks. In the morning, it would be closer to 30min. First bus stop would be about 40+min.

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Anonymous wrote:RM doesn't belong in this comparison if you are comparing schools. It's over crowded with poor test scores despite having magnets.

Yes because RM has poor kids and the other schools don't. Ripe for boundary redrawing. What will W parents do when more poor kids come into their schools and bring down the test scores? I guess you will move to private because the poor kids might infect your kid and bring down your kid's test scores.

I would prefer lower test scores as it makes it less stressful and of course the smart but not perfect kids will be ranked higher. That said, I don’t want all the fights, sex in hallways, anti-semitism, and asylum seekers with a 3rd grade education in my school to get those higher ranks.

Churchill boundaries won’t be changed. They already have every low income area in their area and there really isn’t any others around them.

Um.. ok <5% FARMs is nothing compared to neighboring RM with about 20% FARMs. But I guess to people like you, the few FARMs students you do have is enough, and you don't want more.

Take Twinbrook, which was once a nice area now turned into El Salvador, out of the equation and RM farms would be just the same as Churchill. You can’t bus past multiple schools and break up massive boundary lines. Churchill won’t change

Have you even been to TB? Talk to families from that area? I have as part of the RMES#5 boundary study. It's no little El Salvador. Just lots of non white blue collar families. I guess that's "El Salvador" to you, though. Oh, and there are some white families there, too, who seem happy to be there. Shocking, I know.

And MCPS can do whatever it wants. Wootton and Churchil have split articulation in the middle school now with part of Cabin Johh MS going to Wootton and another part going to Churchill. I can see the same happening in the RM cluster because of the overcrowding at the HS level.

Clearly you live in a bubble because there are currently *several* neighborhoods where they get bused past closer under enrolled schools to another school -- 5 school buses from Fallsgrove community are much nearer to two under enrolled ES, but get bused to RPES (used to be overenrolled but is no longer due to Rustin ES opening, but Fallsgrove still is zoned for RP).

Here you go OP.. if you have a similar mindset to the above PP, then go to Churchill.

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Wait when was Twin brook considered a really nice area? Its always been working class and lower income though that seems to be changing rapidly now with houses getting more expensive. I think its actually one of the few good investment opportunities in MoCo.

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Anonymous wrote:Wait when was Twin brook considered a really nice area? Its always been working class and lower income though that seems to be changing rapidly now with houses getting more expensive. I think its actually one of the few good investment opportunities in MoCo.

Yup. As far as I know, people have been looking down their noses at Twinbrook for decades.

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Anonymous wrote:RM doesn't belong in this comparison if you are comparing schools. It's over crowded with poor test scores despite having magnets.

Yes because RM has poor kids and the other schools don't. Ripe for boundary redrawing. What will W parents do when more poor kids come into their schools and bring down the test scores? I guess you will move to private because the poor kids might infect your kid and bring down your kid's test scores.

I would prefer lower test scores as it makes it less stressful and of course the smart but not perfect kids will be ranked higher. That said, I don’t want all the fights, sex in hallways, anti-semitism, and asylum seekers with a 3rd grade education in my school to get those higher ranks.

Churchill boundaries won’t be changed. They already have every low income area in their area and there really isn’t any others around them.

Um.. ok <5% FARMs is nothing compared to neighboring RM with about 20% FARMs. But I guess to people like you, the few FARMs students you do have is enough, and you don't want more.

Take Twinbrook, which was once a nice area now turned into El Salvador, out of the equation and RM farms would be just the same as Churchill. You can’t bus past multiple schools and break up massive boundary lines. Churchill won’t change

LOL... I just can't...

In one breath you insinuate that RM is anti-semitic but in your next breath you call TB area "El Salvador".

That is just too dang funny.

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Anonymous wrote:RM is very over crowded and City of Rockville is debating to put 3300 students school built for 2200 students.

RM shouldn't be compared with other two schools due to being so over crowded.

Please don’t spread falsehoods. Technically, the city IS discussing allowing up to 3300 students in the school built for 2200; however, no reasonable projections have the school reaching 3300 in 10 years—even with additional development, which takes time to build and populate. Would it eventually get there, sure, it probably would, but the city isn’t likely to pass the vote in a couple days to permit that. It’s more likely that if anything passes, it would be the targeted raising of the limits to permit construction in the Walter Johnson cluster. Less likely is the waiver to allow building downtown that will affect RM.

If you have a child that will be at RM between now and 10 years from now, expect school utilization at 120% now to 135% by the end of the 10 years. Building Crown High School will also result in major boundary changes. We can’t accurately predict which neighborhoods will go to which schools yet.

120-135%, wow it seems RM should be avoided by any new house buyers who values education.

Go for Wootton if you are not wealthy. If you have money then go for Churchill. My kid is in middle school in RM cluster and I am not really thrilled with over crowding in RM and even less thrilled with attitude of elected leaders from Rockville to make the over crowding worse.

Why does everyone think that all Churchill students come from money. The bulk of the houses in Potomac are from the 60's/70's or older and need major renovations, and are under $750K. The neighborhoods surrounding Churchill and Hoover are awful! These kids are not wealthy. Their parents just overpaid for old real estate. HARD PASS!

There are also plenty of houses under $750K in Wootton but they may not be as old. The families are of the same financial demographic. I think it's the cache that comes from a Potomac zip code versus a North Potomac or Rockville zip code. OP... it's nonsense. Find a house that you love with nice neighbors and you'll be fine! I'm tired of hearing about the "wealth" in Potomac. There is wealth everywhere in this area!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RM is very over crowded and City of Rockville is debating to put 3300 students school built for 2200 students.

RM shouldn't be compared with other two schools due to being so over crowded.

Please don’t spread falsehoods. Technically, the city IS discussing allowing up to 3300 students in the school built for 2200; however, no reasonable projections have the school reaching 3300 in 10 years—even with additional development, which takes time to build and populate. Would it eventually get there, sure, it probably would, but the city isn’t likely to pass the vote in a couple days to permit that. It’s more likely that if anything passes, it would be the targeted raising of the limits to permit construction in the Walter Johnson cluster. Less likely is the waiver to allow building downtown that will affect RM.

If you have a child that will be at RM between now and 10 years from now, expect school utilization at 120% now to 135% by the end of the 10 years. Building Crown High School will also result in major boundary changes. We can’t accurately predict which neighborhoods will go to which schools yet.

120-135%, wow it seems RM should be avoided by any new house buyers who values education.

Go for Wootton if you are not wealthy. If you have money then go for Churchill. My kid is in middle school in RM cluster and I am not really thrilled with over crowding in RM and even less thrilled with attitude of elected leaders from Rockville to make the over crowding worse.

Why does everyone think that all Churchill students come from money. The bulk of the houses in Potomac are from the 60's/70's or older and need major renovations, and are under $750K. The neighborhoods surrounding Churchill and Hoover are awful! These kids are not wealthy. Their parents just overpaid for old real estate. HARD PASS!

There are also plenty of houses under $750K in Wootton but they may not be as old. The families are of the same financial demographic. I think it's the cache that comes from a Potomac zip code versus a North Potomac or Rockville zip code. OP... it's nonsense. Find a house that you love with nice neighbors and you'll be fine! I'm tired of hearing about the "wealth" in Potomac. There is wealth everywhere in this area!!

DP. DIfferent strokes for different folks. We spent our 750K in a brand new build in Clarksburg. We love the house, the neighborhood, the neighbors and our kids are in good schools. Nope, it doesn't have the Bethesda or Potomac brand name but we knew that our kids would have the same academic outcomes regardless of which school they go to.

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Aren't all of the three mentioned overcrowded? Maybe Churchill isn't yet because it cost an arm and leg to live in those neighborhoods that feeds into there. And you might as well eat just rice&beans for every meal. I wouldn't want a high mortgage and can't afford anything else.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RM is very over crowded and City of Rockville is debating to put 3300 students school built for 2200 students.

RM shouldn't be compared with other two schools due to being so over crowded.

Please don’t spread falsehoods. Technically, the city IS discussing allowing up to 3300 students in the school built for 2200; however, no reasonable projections have the school reaching 3300 in 10 years—even with additional development, which takes time to build and populate. Would it eventually get there, sure, it probably would, but the city isn’t likely to pass the vote in a couple days to permit that. It’s more likely that if anything passes, it would be the targeted raising of the limits to permit construction in the Walter Johnson cluster. Less likely is the waiver to allow building downtown that will affect RM.

If you have a child that will be at RM between now and 10 years from now, expect school utilization at 120% now to 135% by the end of the 10 years. Building Crown High School will also result in major boundary changes. We can’t accurately predict which neighborhoods will go to which schools yet.

120-135%, wow it seems RM should be avoided by any new house buyers who values education.

Go for Wootton if you are not wealthy. If you have money then go for Churchill. My kid is in middle school in RM cluster and I am not really thrilled with over crowding in RM and even less thrilled with attitude of elected leaders from Rockville to make the over crowding worse.

Why does everyone think that all Churchill students come from money. The bulk of the houses in Potomac are from the 60's/70's or older and need major renovations, and are under $750K. The neighborhoods surrounding Churchill and Hoover are awful! These kids are not wealthy. Their parents just overpaid for old real estate. HARD PASS!

There are also plenty of houses under $750K in Wootton but they may not be as old. The families are of the same financial demographic. I think it's the cache that comes from a Potomac zip code versus a North Potomac or Rockville zip code. OP... it's nonsense. Find a house that you love with nice neighbors and you'll be fine! I'm tired of hearing about the "wealth" in Potomac. There is wealth everywhere in this area!!

Not all families from Churchill have a ton of money, but a lot do, especially in comparison to the neighboring clusters. You only have to look at the average house prices between 20854 and the 20850 of Wootton cluster.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RM is very over crowded and City of Rockville is debating to put 3300 students school built for 2200 students.

RM shouldn't be compared with other two schools due to being so over crowded.

Please don’t spread falsehoods. Technically, the city IS discussing allowing up to 3300 students in the school built for 2200; however, no reasonable projections have the school reaching 3300 in 10 years—even with additional development, which takes time to build and populate. Would it eventually get there, sure, it probably would, but the city isn’t likely to pass the vote in a couple days to permit that. It’s more likely that if anything passes, it would be the targeted raising of the limits to permit construction in the Walter Johnson cluster. Less likely is the waiver to allow building downtown that will affect RM.

If you have a child that will be at RM between now and 10 years from now, expect school utilization at 120% now to 135% by the end of the 10 years. Building Crown High School will also result in major boundary changes. We can’t accurately predict which neighborhoods will go to which schools yet.

120-135%, wow it seems RM should be avoided by any new house buyers who values education.

Go for Wootton if you are not wealthy. If you have money then go for Churchill. My kid is in middle school in RM cluster and I am not really thrilled with over crowding in RM and even less thrilled with attitude of elected leaders from Rockville to make the over crowding worse.

Why does everyone think that all Churchill students come from money. The bulk of the houses in Potomac are from the 60's/70's or older and need major renovations, and are under $750K. The neighborhoods surrounding Churchill and Hoover are awful! These kids are not wealthy. Their parents just overpaid for old real estate. HARD PASS!

There are also plenty of houses under $750K in Wootton but they may not be as old. The families are of the same financial demographic. I think it's the cache that comes from a Potomac zip code versus a North Potomac or Rockville zip code. OP... it's nonsense. Find a house that you love with nice neighbors and you'll be fine! I'm tired of hearing about the "wealth" in Potomac. There is wealth everywhere in this area!!

The neighborhoods around Churchill and Hoover are “awful”? In what way? Because the houses are older and there aren’t any million dollar McCraftsman houses? No, most of Potomac isn’t rich. We are a middle class family who bought there (in the 600s) for the schools and proximity to family, and most of our neighbors are just like us - white collar working professonals with young families. There is a great sense of community and we are surrounded by nice people and friendly neighbors who look out for us. We are within minutes of multiple grocery stores and restaurants. Crime is low. If living in a house built in the 60s is awful, I’ll gladly continue to suffer.

And have you looked at the prices of single family homes in Rockville these days? It’s not actually that much cheaper to live there if you want the kids to go to RM.

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We moved to Potomac because of the easy commute to work. I enjoy taking the Metro into DC vs. stuck in traffic on I270. An older (but nicely renovated) home compared to Clarksburg but we now have a lot of equity for the investment.

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Anonymous wrote:We moved to Potomac because of the easy commute to work. I enjoy taking the Metro into DC vs. stuck in traffic on I270. An older (but nicely renovated) home compared to Clarksburg but we now have a lot of equity for the investment.

Which parts of Potomac are near a Metro station?

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Anonymous wrote:We moved to Potomac because of the easy commute to work. I enjoy taking the Metro into DC vs. stuck in traffic on I270. An older (but nicely renovated) home compared to Clarksburg but we now have a lot of equity for the investment.

Which parts of Potomac are near a Metro station?

The bus on Tuckerman is a straight shot to Grosvenor. Or the T2 on Falls Road goes between the Rockville Metro and Friendship Heights. The T2 goes through the heart of Potomac Village. There's also a bus route to the Whiteflint Metro.

There's parking at Grosvenor if I want to drive, or when the weather is nice, I can ride a bike.

Many quick options to get to a Metro station from Potomac.