Can you reconcile remaining Catholic?

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Anonymous wrote:Whoa. That is a big stretch there PP. I guess if it helps you to blame the Church for your elderly parents mental health issues helps you deal with it then you have to do what you have to do.

But now I really have heard it all.

+1. Being Catholic normalizes substance abuse and mental illness?

I have a big family with lots of Catholics and lots of non-Catholics. I can assure you that there are plenty of both that ended up as alcoholics and that in every case religion had 0% to do with. (Actually, the religious people sometimes stayed away from the drink more, but whatever.)

Maybe your family is just messed up.

No, being Catholic can lead to substance abuse and mental illness.

Cool story, care to link to any studies showing a correlation (let alone causation) between being Catholic and an increase in substance abuse and mental illness? Like, something with a large sample size and statistically significant results?

My understanding to date is that these studies typically show that people of religious faith (doesn't need to be Catholic) actually have LOWER levels of mental illness and substance abuse, so I am interested to learn more!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whoa. That is a big stretch there PP. I guess if it helps you to blame the Church for your elderly parents mental health issues helps you deal with it then you have to do what you have to do.

But now I really have heard it all.

+1. Being Catholic normalizes substance abuse and mental illness?

I have a big family with lots of Catholics and lots of non-Catholics. I can assure you that there are plenty of both that ended up as alcoholics and that in every case religion had 0% to do with. (Actually, the religious people sometimes stayed away from the drink more, but whatever.)

Maybe your family is just messed up.

No, being Catholic can lead to substance abuse and mental illness.

Cool story, care to link to any studies showing a correlation (let alone causation) between being Catholic and an increase in substance abuse and mental illness? Like, something with a large sample size and statistically significant results?

My understanding to date is that these studies typically show that people of religious faith (doesn't need to be Catholic) actually have LOWER levels of mental illness and substance abuse, so I am interested to learn more!

Not called for — no study implied. Lots of supposedly good things, e.g., relationships, can lead to bad things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whoa. That is a big stretch there PP. I guess if it helps you to blame the Church for your elderly parents mental health issues helps you deal with it then you have to do what you have to do.

But now I really have heard it all.

+1. Being Catholic normalizes substance abuse and mental illness?

I have a big family with lots of Catholics and lots of non-Catholics. I can assure you that there are plenty of both that ended up as alcoholics and that in every case religion had 0% to do with. (Actually, the religious people sometimes stayed away from the drink more, but whatever.)

Maybe your family is just messed up.

Did your Catholic relatives experience sustained abuse within the Church? Because that is the issue under discussion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whoa. That is a big stretch there PP. I guess if it helps you to blame the Church for your elderly parents mental health issues helps you deal with it then you have to do what you have to do.

But now I really have heard it all.

+1. Being Catholic normalizes substance abuse and mental illness?

I have a big family with lots of Catholics and lots of non-Catholics. I can assure you that there are plenty of both that ended up as alcoholics and that in every case religion had 0% to do with. (Actually, the religious people sometimes stayed away from the drink more, but whatever.)

Maybe your family is just messed up.

Did your Catholic relatives experience sustained abuse within the Church? Because that is the issue under discussion.

The overwhelming majority of Catholics were never abused by priests, and substance abuse and mental illness doesn’t discriminate among those who were abused on the basis of religion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whoa. That is a big stretch there PP. I guess if it helps you to blame the Church for your elderly parents mental health issues helps you deal with it then you have to do what you have to do.

But now I really have heard it all.

+1. Being Catholic normalizes substance abuse and mental illness?

I have a big family with lots of Catholics and lots of non-Catholics. I can assure you that there are plenty of both that ended up as alcoholics and that in every case religion had 0% to do with. (Actually, the religious people sometimes stayed away from the drink more, but whatever.)

Maybe your family is just messed up.

No, being Catholic can lead to substance abuse and mental illness.

Cool story, care to link to any studies showing a correlation (let alone causation) between being Catholic and an increase in substance abuse and mental illness? Like, something with a large sample size and statistically significant results?

My understanding to date is that these studies typically show that people of religious faith (doesn't need to be Catholic) actually have LOWER levels of mental illness and substance abuse, so I am interested to learn more!

Not called for — no study implied. Lots of supposedly good things, e.g., relationships, can lead to bad things.

? Not sure what you’re getting at, but this poster seems to have stories. The “mental abuse” poster has zero studies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whoa. That is a big stretch there PP. I guess if it helps you to blame the Church for your elderly parents mental health issues helps you deal with it then you have to do what you have to do.

But now I really have heard it all.

+1. Being Catholic normalizes substance abuse and mental illness?

I have a big family with lots of Catholics and lots of non-Catholics. I can assure you that there are plenty of both that ended up as alcoholics and that in every case religion had 0% to do with. (Actually, the religious people sometimes stayed away from the drink more, but whatever.)

Maybe your family is just messed up.

No, being Catholic can lead to substance abuse and mental illness.

Cool story, care to link to any studies showing a correlation (let alone causation) between being Catholic and an increase in substance abuse and mental illness? Like, something with a large sample size and statistically significant results?

My understanding to date is that these studies typically show that people of religious faith (doesn't need to be Catholic) actually have LOWER levels of mental illness and substance abuse, so I am interested to learn more!

Not called for — no study implied. Lots of supposedly good things, e.g., relationships, can lead to bad things.

So now the Catholic Church is responsible for mentally well people that enter good relationships that go bad?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whoa. That is a big stretch there PP. I guess if it helps you to blame the Church for your elderly parents mental health issues helps you deal with it then you have to do what you have to do.

But now I really have heard it all.

+1. Being Catholic normalizes substance abuse and mental illness?

I have a big family with lots of Catholics and lots of non-Catholics. I can assure you that there are plenty of both that ended up as alcoholics and that in every case religion had 0% to do with. (Actually, the religious people sometimes stayed away from the drink more, but whatever.)

Maybe your family is just messed up.

No, being Catholic can lead to substance abuse and mental illness.

Cool story, care to link to any studies showing a correlation (let alone causation) between being Catholic and an increase in substance abuse and mental illness? Like, something with a large sample size and statistically significant results?

My understanding to date is that these studies typically show that people of religious faith (doesn't need to be Catholic) actually have LOWER levels of mental illness and substance abuse, so I am interested to learn more!

Not called for — no study implied. Lots of supposedly good things, e.g., relationships, can lead to bad things.

So now the Catholic Church is responsible for mentally well people that enter good relationships that go bad?

In some cases, yes, where people were influenced by church teachings and church authorities, in other cases, no.

The point is, that a supposedly benign group with a loving savior at its center, shouldn’t actively be causing harmi

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whoa. That is a big stretch there PP. I guess if it helps you to blame the Church for your elderly parents mental health issues helps you deal with it then you have to do what you have to do.

But now I really have heard it all.

+1. Being Catholic normalizes substance abuse and mental illness?

I have a big family with lots of Catholics and lots of non-Catholics. I can assure you that there are plenty of both that ended up as alcoholics and that in every case religion had 0% to do with. (Actually, the religious people sometimes stayed away from the drink more, but whatever.)

Maybe your family is just messed up.

No, being Catholic can lead to substance abuse and mental illness.

Cool story, care to link to any studies showing a correlation (let alone causation) between being Catholic and an increase in substance abuse and mental illness? Like, something with a large sample size and statistically significant results?

My understanding to date is that these studies typically show that people of religious faith (doesn't need to be Catholic) actually have LOWER levels of mental illness and substance abuse, so I am interested to learn more!

Not called for — no study implied. Lots of supposedly good things, e.g., relationships, can lead to bad things.

So now the Catholic Church is responsible for mentally well people that enter good relationships that go bad?

In some cases, yes, where people were influenced by church teachings and church authorities, in other cases, no.

The point is, that a supposedly benign group with a loving savior at its center, shouldn’t actively be causing harmi

You’ve truly jumped the shark.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unapologetic Catholic: Why are you praying to Mary? There is no one you need pray to besides God the Father / Son / Holy Spirit. Anything else breaks the first Commandment.

Catholics are encouraged to pray to saints, asking them to “intercede” for them with god.

For instance, if your name is Catherine, you might like to pray to st Catherine and ask her to pass on your requests to god. He might pay more attention if one of his saints asks him than he would if asked by a mere mortal.

I am honestly LMAO! You really think God needs a support staff through which prayers travel?! I could not be happier that I’m Protestant now and no longer Catholic - this reasoning is absurd!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unapologetic Catholic: Why are you praying to Mary? There is no one you need pray to besides God the Father / Son / Holy Spirit. Anything else breaks the first Commandment.

Catholics are encouraged to pray to saints, asking them to “intercede” for them with god.

For instance, if your name is Catherine, you might like to pray to st Catherine and ask her to pass on your requests to god. He might pay more attention if one of his saints asks him than he would if asked by a mere mortal.

I am honestly LMAO! You really think God needs a support staff through which prayers travel?! I could not be happier that I’m Protestant now and no longer Catholic - this reasoning is absurd!

Agree! I guess I’m still Catholic since I haven’t flipped to another religious alternative. We were taught never to worship false idols or pray to them for salvation, yet saints/priests were ok to act on our behalf. Twelve years of Catholic school and I just prayed to God (aka something greater than us). Never have an image of God. Never did a rosary or the stations. Only a few times said the prayer to Saint Anthony when something was lost (it worked once or twice). Honestly, it’s between me and the greater good. It’s all semantics, symbolism and interpretation. The only thing that’s solid is good vs evil. Clearly these criminals represent evil and certainly are false idols. I never idolized them because I never believed they were closer to God than me. Thankful I didn’t experience the atrocities of the victims and so heartbroken for their suffering.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unapologetic Catholic: Why are you praying to Mary? There is no one you need pray to besides God the Father / Son / Holy Spirit. Anything else breaks the first Commandment.

Catholics are encouraged to pray to saints, asking them to “intercede” for them with god.

For instance, if your name is Catherine, you might like to pray to st Catherine and ask her to pass on your requests to god. He might pay more attention if one of his saints asks him than he would if asked by a mere mortal.

I am honestly LMAO! You really think God needs a support staff through which prayers travel?! I could not be happier that I’m Protestant now and no longer Catholic - this reasoning is absurd!

Agree! I guess I’m still Catholic since I haven’t flipped to another religious alternative. We were taught never to worship false idols or pray to them for salvation, yet saints/priests were ok to act on our behalf. Twelve years of Catholic school and I just prayed to God (aka something greater than us). Never have an image of God. Never did a rosary or the stations. Only a few times said the prayer to Saint Anthony when something was lost (it worked once or twice). Honestly, it’s between me and the greater good. It’s all semantics, symbolism and interpretation. The only thing that’s solid is good vs evil. Clearly these criminals represent evil and certainly are false idols. I never idolized them because I never believed they were closer to God than me. Thankful I didn’t experience the atrocities of the victims and so heartbroken for their suffering.

It’s pretty clear in the Bible that we don’t need a middle man. It’s criminal that the Catholic Church has taught so many that they do. They did so for the same reason their sermons were in a language people didn’t even understand - for power and to keep people dumb. The catholic church is NOT about Christ. It’s about men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Whoa. That is a big stretch there PP. I guess if it helps you to blame the Church for your elderly parents mental health issues helps you deal with it then you have to do what you have to do.

But now I really have heard it all.

It’s too bad you weren’t paying more attention sooner—this is a widely held sociological explanation for a lot of stereotypical American “Irish Catholic” experience. Shame, guilt, body negativity, alcoholism, depression...it’s a hell of a list.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unapologetic Catholic: Why are you praying to Mary? There is no one you need pray to besides God the Father / Son / Holy Spirit. Anything else breaks the first Commandment.

Catholics are encouraged to pray to saints, asking them to “intercede” for them with god.

For instance, if your name is Catherine, you might like to pray to st Catherine and ask her to pass on your requests to god. He might pay more attention if one of his saints asks him than he would if asked by a mere mortal.

I am honestly LMAO! You really think God needs a support staff through which prayers travel?! I could not be happier that I’m Protestant now and no longer Catholic - this reasoning is absurd!

I personally don't think so, but this is Catholic Church teaching.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unapologetic Catholic: Why are you praying to Mary? There is no one you need pray to besides God the Father / Son / Holy Spirit. Anything else breaks the first Commandment.

Catholics are encouraged to pray to saints, asking them to “intercede” for them with god.

For instance, if your name is Catherine, you might like to pray to st Catherine and ask her to pass on your requests to god. He might pay more attention if one of his saints asks him than he would if asked by a mere mortal.

I am honestly LMAO! You really think God needs a support staff through which prayers travel?! I could not be happier that I’m Protestant now and no longer Catholic - this reasoning is absurd!

Agree! I guess I’m still Catholic since I haven’t flipped to another religious alternative. We were taught never to worship false idols or pray to them for salvation, yet saints/priests were ok to act on our behalf. Twelve years of Catholic school and I just prayed to God (aka something greater than us). Never have an image of God. Never did a rosary or the stations. Only a few times said the prayer to Saint Anthony when something was lost (it worked once or twice). Honestly, it’s between me and the greater good. It’s all semantics, symbolism and interpretation. The only thing that’s solid is good vs evil. Clearly these criminals represent evil and certainly are false idols. I never idolized them because I never believed they were closer to God than me. Thankful I didn’t experience the atrocities of the victims and so heartbroken for their suffering.

It’s pretty clear in the Bible that we don’t need a middle man. It’s criminal that the Catholic Church has taught so many that they do. They did so for the same reason their sermons were in a language people didn’t even understand - for power and to keep people dumb. The catholic church is NOT about Christ. It’s about men.

Actually, the sermons are in English -- everything else used to be in Latin. The sermons are often short, though. Not like in some protestant churches where the sermon is the main thing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unapologetic Catholic: Why are you praying to Mary? There is no one you need pray to besides God the Father / Son / Holy Spirit. Anything else breaks the first Commandment.

Catholics are encouraged to pray to saints, asking them to “intercede” for them with god.

For instance, if your name is Catherine, you might like to pray to st Catherine and ask her to pass on your requests to god. He might pay more attention if one of his saints asks him than he would if asked by a mere mortal.

I am honestly LMAO! You really think God needs a support staff through which prayers travel?! I could not be happier that I’m Protestant now and no longer Catholic - this reasoning is absurd!

Agree! I guess I’m still Catholic since I haven’t flipped to another religious alternative. We were taught never to worship false idols or pray to them for salvation, yet saints/priests were ok to act on our behalf. Twelve years of Catholic school and I just prayed to God (aka something greater than us). Never have an image of God. Never did a rosary or the stations. Only a few times said the prayer to Saint Anthony when something was lost (it worked once or twice). Honestly, it’s between me and the greater good. It’s all semantics, symbolism and interpretation. The only thing that’s solid is good vs evil. Clearly these criminals represent evil and certainly are false idols. I never idolized them because I never believed they were closer to God than me. Thankful I didn’t experience the atrocities of the victims and so heartbroken for their suffering.

It’s pretty clear in the Bible that we don’t need a middle man. It’s criminal that the Catholic Church has taught so many that they do. They did so for the same reason their sermons were in a language people didn’t even understand - for power and to keep people dumb. The catholic church is NOT about Christ. It’s about men.

NOW we're getting some true anti-catholicism. bigot obsessed poster, where are you when the actual tenents of your faith are attacked?