Some of the disgusting stuff that is happening in pornography

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The top search term on porn sites is MILF (I met someone who did research on this -- the big sites turned over search data to her).

Yet, we don't hear of widespread incest. Perhaps porn is just fantasy for a lot of people?

I don't think you know what MILF means.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The top search term on porn sites is MILF (I met someone who did research on this -- the big sites turned over search data to her).

Yet, we don't hear of widespread incest. Perhaps porn is just fantasy for a lot of people?

Small correction: MILF porn doesn't usually refer to incest, it refers to moms. Moms having sex with the poolboy, the delivery driver, her son's buddies, etc. etc. etc. It's basically the "older woman/lonely housewife" fantasy. Or um, so I'm told.

But your broader point is valid - I read an article a while back about the increasing popularity of porn depicting incest, and how there was no corresponding increase in real-world incest. Similarly, I'm not aware of a rash of women with kids engaging in random hookups IRL.

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Anonymous wrote:Women don't WANT to be abused and tortured.

It's a good thing these women are portraying abuse and torture, not being abused and tortured. And yes, the distinction is real and important.

Actually they ARE being abused and tortured. These are real women, in real situations, with real stuff being done to their body.

And yes, the damage done to them is very real and very important.

the women CHOSE to do that. what is it that you cannot understand about someone choosing to do something that you do not like?

Do you really think women are CHOOSING to be sodomized, ejaculated on, gagged, slapped, beaten and throttled? I don't think so. It's amazing how far some people will go to try and justify abuse and torture for titillation but it's not surprising. There's a troll on here that really hates women.

Yes, they chose to do this in exchange for payment.

Also, it may shock you to learn, some people (many of whom are women) DO enjoy these things, even without being paid or filmed.

NP. No one in their right mind would enjoy being beaten, slapped, throttled. You are crazy.

You obvious have nooooo idea about the BDSM society...but you know...ignorance is bliss.

BDSM is a FERISH meaning it's enjoyed by a relatively small portion of the population. And yet what you described in your post is not just fetish work it's part of mainstream porn. Meaning we can be absolutely certain that not everyone who films these scenes is into it. Even still, much of the violence in porn comes as a surprise- omg act, that's the very point of the article OP posted- how painful the actress acted like the sex was because that was the part she was playing and that the male porn star acted like he didn't listen because that was the part he was playing. No women d(lets go with 99% of them to please you ) don't want to have parts of them ripped open, they don't want to be punched, they don't want to hit in the face. ANY logical person knows this, so you arguing against it just reveals you, as the other poster pointed out, to be a misogynist troll. Which is nothing new or exciting, and simply shows how void of compassion and emotionally stunted you are on an article such as this

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The top search term on porn sites is MILF (I met someone who did research on this -- the big sites turned over search data to her).

Yet, we don't hear of widespread incest. Perhaps porn is just fantasy for a lot of people?

There is a huge correlation to various forms of violence, particularly partner abuse, by watching porn.
https://www.bu.edu/sph/2015/10/20/viewpoint-domestic-violence-whats-porn-got-to-do-with-it/

Additionally, those are real human beings being abused or hurt in the films. They are important.

Here are the rates of domestic violence for 1994-2012 directly from the Dept of Justice:
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ndv0312.pdf (see page 4)

The rates have gone down considerably as porn has become more accessible. In 1994, the internet barely existed (Google was founded in 1998), and no one had fast access to porn. Now, more people have easy access to porn, and domestic violence rates have gone down.

Is porn the magic savior?

And that is probably owing to feminism and other reasons. But I would love to see you attempt to address the article I linked to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The top search term on porn sites is MILF (I met someone who did research on this -- the big sites turned over search data to her).

Yet, we don't hear of widespread incest. Perhaps porn is just fantasy for a lot of people?

I don't think you know what MILF means.

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Anonymous wrote:Women don't WANT to be abused and tortured.

It's a good thing these women are portraying abuse and torture, not being abused and tortured. And yes, the distinction is real and important.

Actually they ARE being abused and tortured. These are real women, in real situations, with real stuff being done to their body.

And yes, the damage done to them is very real and very important.

the women CHOSE to do that. what is it that you cannot understand about someone choosing to do something that you do not like?

Do you really think women are CHOOSING to be sodomized, ejaculated on, gagged, slapped, beaten and throttled? I don't think so. It's amazing how far some people will go to try and justify abuse and torture for titillation but it's not surprising. There's a troll on here that really hates women.

Yes, they chose to do this in exchange for payment.

Also, it may shock you to learn, some people (many of whom are women) DO enjoy these things, even without being paid or filmed.

NP. No one in their right mind would enjoy being beaten, slapped, throttled. You are crazy.

You obvious have nooooo idea about the BDSM society...but you know...ignorance is bliss.

BDSM is a FERISH meaning it's enjoyed by a relatively small portion of the population. And yet what you described in your post is not just fetish work it's part of mainstream porn. Meaning we can be absolutely certain that not everyone who films these scenes is into it. Even still, much of the violence in porn comes as a surprise- omg act, that's the very point of the article OP posted- how painful the actress acted like the sex was because that was the part she was playing and that the male porn star acted like he didn't listen because that was the part he was playing. No women d(lets go with 99% of them to please you ) don't want to have parts of them ripped open, they don't want to be punched, they don't want to hit in the face. ANY logical person knows this, so you arguing against it just reveals you, as the other poster pointed out, to be a misogynist troll. Which is nothing new or exciting, and simply shows how void of compassion and emotionally stunted you are on an article such as this

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No... it's real acts depicted in porn. Did you think this was special effects filmed on a green screen?

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Anonymous wrote:Women don't WANT to be abused and tortured.

It's a good thing these women are portraying abuse and torture, not being abused and tortured. And yes, the distinction is real and important.

Actually they ARE being abused and tortured. These are real women, in real situations, with real stuff being done to their body.

And yes, the damage done to them is very real and very important.

the women CHOSE to do that. what is it that you cannot understand about someone choosing to do something that you do not like?

Do you really think women are CHOOSING to be sodomized, ejaculated on, gagged, slapped, beaten and throttled? I don't think so. It's amazing how far some people will go to try and justify abuse and torture for titillation but it's not surprising. There's a troll on here that really hates women.

Yes, they chose to do this in exchange for payment.

Also, it may shock you to learn, some people (many of whom are women) DO enjoy these things, even without being paid or filmed.

NP. No one in their right mind would enjoy being beaten, slapped, throttled. You are crazy.

You obvious have nooooo idea about the BDSM society...but you know...ignorance is bliss.

BDSM is a FERISH meaning it's enjoyed by a relatively small portion of the population. And yet what you described in your post is not just fetish work it's part of mainstream porn. Meaning we can be absolutely certain that not everyone who films these scenes is into it. Even still, much of the violence in porn comes as a surprise- omg act, that's the very point of the article OP posted- how painful the actress acted like the sex was because that was the part she was playing and that the male porn star acted like he didn't listen because that was the part he was playing. No women d(lets go with 99% of them to please you ) don't want to have parts of them ripped open, they don't want to be punched, they don't want to hit in the face. ANY logical person knows this, so you arguing against it just reveals you, as the other poster pointed out, to be a misogynist troll. Which is nothing new or exciting, and simply shows how void of compassion and emotionally stunted you are on an article such as this

FIFY

No... it's real acts depicted in porn. Did you think this was special effects filmed on a green screen?

This circular nonsense is getting really old. Stop acting like those real acts aren't consensual and scripted with the full, willing, informed participation of all parties involved.

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Anonymous wrote:Women don't WANT to be abused and tortured.

It's a good thing these women are portraying abuse and torture, not being abused and tortured. And yes, the distinction is real and important.

Actually they ARE being abused and tortured. These are real women, in real situations, with real stuff being done to their body.

And yes, the damage done to them is very real and very important.

the women CHOSE to do that. what is it that you cannot understand about someone choosing to do something that you do not like?

Do you really think women are CHOOSING to be sodomized, ejaculated on, gagged, slapped, beaten and throttled? I don't think so. It's amazing how far some people will go to try and justify abuse and torture for titillation but it's not surprising. There's a troll on here that really hates women.

Yes, they chose to do this in exchange for payment.

Also, it may shock you to learn, some people (many of whom are women) DO enjoy these things, even without being paid or filmed.

NP. No one in their right mind would enjoy being beaten, slapped, throttled. You are crazy.

You obvious have nooooo idea about the BDSM society...but you know...ignorance is bliss.

BDSM is a FERISH meaning it's enjoyed by a relatively small portion of the population. And yet what you described in your post is not just fetish work it's part of mainstream porn. Meaning we can be absolutely certain that not everyone who films these scenes is into it. Even still, much of the violence in porn comes as a surprise- omg act, that's the very point of the article OP posted- how painful the actress acted like the sex was because that was the part she was playing and that the male porn star acted like he didn't listen because that was the part he was playing. No women d(lets go with 99% of them to please you ) don't want to have parts of them ripped open, they don't want to be punched, they don't want to hit in the face. ANY logical person knows this, so you arguing against it just reveals you, as the other poster pointed out, to be a misogynist troll. Which is nothing new or exciting, and simply shows how void of compassion and emotionally stunted you are on an article such as this

FIFY

No... it's real acts depicted in porn. Did you think this was special effects filmed on a green screen?

This circular nonsense is getting really old. Stop acting like those real acts aren't consensual and scripted with the full, willing, informed participation of all parties involved.

Many of the acts are not planned or scripted. In fact in the Frontline special a PP was kind enough to link (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/ Thanks PP) the porn maker specifically admits that the woman involved does not know the extent of the violent scenario they have planned for her. It happens ALL THE TIME.

And again- does consent make it suddenly alright? If you agree to let someone pull your teeth out for money, is it okay for people to watch it and enjoy it? Does that make it suddenly morally permissible?

[Anonymous]

Scripted or reality tv. Nope, still not real.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Scripted or reality tv. Nope, still not real.

Yes. Real sex. No green screens here.

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Anonymous wrote:Scripted or reality tv. Nope, still not real.

Yes. Real sex. No green screens here.

We are failing to communicate, aren't we? You're saying that these women have no idea that they're going to be porn actors? I'm saying that they know that. I'm saying that the situations are acted out, they aren't real.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Women don't WANT to be abused and tortured.

It's a good thing these women are portraying abuse and torture, not being abused and tortured. And yes, the distinction is real and important.

Actually they ARE being abused and tortured. These are real women, in real situations, with real stuff being done to their body.

And yes, the damage done to them is very real and very important.

the women CHOSE to do that. what is it that you cannot understand about someone choosing to do something that you do not like?

Do you really think women are CHOOSING to be sodomized, ejaculated on, gagged, slapped, beaten and throttled? I don't think so. It's amazing how far some people will go to try and justify abuse and torture for titillation but it's not surprising. There's a troll on here that really hates women.

Yes, they chose to do this in exchange for payment.

Also, it may shock you to learn, some people (many of whom are women) DO enjoy these things, even without being paid or filmed.

NP. No one in their right mind would enjoy being beaten, slapped, throttled. You are crazy.

You obvious have nooooo idea about the BDSM society...but you know...ignorance is bliss.

BDSM is a FERISH meaning it's enjoyed by a relatively small portion of the population. And yet what you described in your post is not just fetish work it's part of mainstream porn. Meaning we can be absolutely certain that not everyone who films these scenes is into it. Even still, much of the violence in porn comes as a surprise- omg act, that's the very point of the article OP posted- how painful the actress acted like the sex was because that was the part she was playing and that the male porn star acted like he didn't listen because that was the part he was playing. No women d(lets go with 99% of them to please you ) don't want to have parts of them ripped open, they don't want to be punched, they don't want to hit in the face. ANY logical person knows this, so you arguing against it just reveals you, as the other poster pointed out, to be a misogynist troll. Which is nothing new or exciting, and simply shows how void of compassion and emotionally stunted you are on an article such as this

FIFY

No... it's real acts depicted in porn. Did you think this was special effects filmed on a green screen?

This circular nonsense is getting really old. Stop acting like those real acts aren't consensual and scripted with the full, willing, informed participation of all parties involved.

Many of the acts are not planned or scripted. In fact in the Frontline special a PP was kind enough to link (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/ Thanks PP) the porn maker specifically admits that the woman involved does not know the extent of the violent scenario they have planned for her. It happens ALL THE TIME.

And again- does consent make it suddenly alright? If you agree to let someone pull your teeth out for money, is it okay for people to watch it and enjoy it? Does that make it suddenly morally permissible?

Morally permissible? If I want to make money by having someone pay to watch me have my teeth pulled, why yes, I argue, it's entirely morally permissible. What makes you think it is "immoral?"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Scripted or reality tv. Nope, still not real.

Yes. Real sex. No green screens here.

We are failing to communicate, aren't we? You're saying that these women have no idea that they're going to be porn actors? I'm saying that they know that. I'm saying that the situations are acted out, they aren't real.

Don't bother. PP/OP is perseverating at this point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Scripted or reality tv. Nope, still not real.

Yes. Real sex. No green screens here.

We are failing to communicate, aren't we? You're saying that these women have no idea that they're going to be porn actors? I'm saying that they know that. I'm saying that the situations are acted out, they aren't real.

She/they are arguing this:

1. porn depicts very "depraved" acts

2. "no one" and then, later, "99%" of women would "never" agree to these acts, or actually want to do them

Therefore, all "consent" given through the contract between the studio and the actress is therefore invalid.


Her/their argument is pretty terrible though, since they rest on a massive "begging the question" fallacy. Which, for those of you unfamiliar with the philosophical concept, means to "assume the truth of the conclusion of an argument in the premises in order for the conclusion to follow."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Scripted or reality tv. Nope, still not real.

Yes. Real sex. No green screens here.

We are failing to communicate, aren't we? You're saying that these women have no idea that they're going to be porn actors? I'm saying that they know that. I'm saying that the situations are acted out, they aren't real.

She/they are arguing this:

1. porn depicts very "depraved" acts

2. "no one" and then, later, "99%" of women would "never" agree to these acts, or actually want to do them

Therefore, all "consent" given through the contract between the studio and the actress is therefore invalid.


Her/their argument is pretty terrible though, since they rest on a massive "begging the question" fallacy. Which, for those of you unfamiliar with the philosophical concept, means to "assume the truth of the conclusion of an argument in the premises in order for the conclusion to follow."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

Actually, that's not what I'm saying.

1) I literally never said "depraved". However, that works- to be more specific you could sub in violent, intentionally degrading, etc

2) The vast, vast majority human beings do not want to be punched, throttled, etc

3) Since a huge percentage of pornography involves women (and it's always the woman in male/female porn being treated this way) being subjected to these acts, that means that the vast majority of women you see in porn being treated this way are not turned on, into it, etc.

Being subjected to physical violence is unpleasant as a rule. As human beings we all know this. And yet, when men's boners are being threatened, they will attempt to deny even the most patently true facts. This we know.