The Menendez Brothers

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Anonymous wrote:As a person who was horribly abused, in a big fancy house, by parents who were extremely well respected and appeared very normal to everyone outside of the family—I don’t doubt abuse for one second with murder of parents.

Occum’s razor — they were pushed to the edge by abuse? Or so spoiled they shot their parents multiple times at close range with a shotgun? I’m not saying they aren’t sociopaths; I’m saying even if they are it is highly unlikely they’d kill because they are spoiled.

They didn’t seem particularly remorseful. Spending money and having a good old time on their ill gotten gains.

What does that have to do with anything? They should feel remorse for having killed the people who made their life hell?

And they spent a bunch of money? So what, everyone in Beverly Hills spends a bunch of money.

It’s not ok to kill people and spend their money. Even Gypsy Rose Blanchard got 10 years and she didn’t even murder her mom herself. Not sure what kind of lenience people think the Menendez brothers would get for their crime. You can’t just kill people who did you wrong.

They’ve already served 30 years. Don’t act like a punishment has not already been handed out.

They killed their parents. They are not judge and jury.

30 years is not enough.

What an ignorant viewpoint - thank god most of society has moved on from such contextless compassionless blanket judgements ..,

Maybe fast easy Deaths are not enough for fathers who sexually, psychologically and emotionally abuse their sons and mothers who hide/ enable the abuse. Life time sentences in maximum security jails would have been better for them.

So abusers, rapists, and murderers should be sentenced leniently if they were abused as children?

If you call 30 years lenient - it obviously should be taken into account yes. And relevant therapies required while
In jail.
.

But no they should not get off Scott free. The M brothers have already served 30 years.

I don't believe in capital punishment but have no words for someone who thinks like you that 30 years is enough for murder. Can't imagine what you think is suitable for child molesters, rapists, and serial killers.

Americans have become numb to these incredibly long prison sentences and act like it is not enough. Try to imagine losing even ONE year of your own life sitting in prison. It is an enormous life changing punishment. 35 years is pretty much impossible to comprehend.

Plus one.

Especially when the perps were sexually and psychologically abused by their father their entire childhood and afraid that he was going to kill them after threats that they were going to expose his abuse. These are mitigating circumstances.

Since PP brought up the death penalty -
I don’t believe in the death penalty because not only is it immoral and extremely expensive to keep inmates on death row for decades until they exhaust appeal options, it does not deter violent crime.

I don't believe in capital punishment either. I DO believe in life sentences for violent, heinous crines like rape, murder, sexual abuse/torture, serial killings, etc. Many perpetrators of crimes were victims of abuse. That does not mean they are allowed to kill and/or torture others without a life changing punishment. Those who are murdered are gone forever and many of them at very young ages. Those who are molested, tortured, and/or raped are never the same afterwards. They are the innocents who have society's sympathy.

In most of the United States, a life sentence usually means a person in prison for 15 years with the chance for parole. Very rarely are life sentences imposed with no end.

The brothers have already served double the average length.

While I am glad you do not support the death penalty, I don’t think your mentality of lock them up forever and throw away the key is going to prevent cycles of abuse. Yes they did wrong and have served more than two average life sentences. It is time for mercy.

They killed two people so maybe they should get double the time. 15 years doesn’t seem like enough when a murderer snuffs out a life if someone who didn’t deserve it and had many years in front of them. How is that justice for a victim or their family? Your bleeding heart can’t spare a thought for the victims? Only the perpetrators?

Doesn’t the family support Lyle and Erik? To them, justice would be setting the brothers free.

Exactly. The vast majority of their family want them free.

Hope to God that the PP who keeps reiterating “they are murderers” (with no accounting for the horrific abuse by their father, long sentences already served and consistent good behavior) is NOT working in the judicial system or law enforcement.

This mentality perpetuates cycles of abuse and violence. Norway which has a very humane criminal judicial and incarceration system has low recidivism rates . (Recidivism is the tendency of a person to repeat a criminal offense after experiencing jail time and being trained to understand and stop criminal behaviors). Norway has a recidivism rate of 20% while the US has a rate of 76.6%.

There is So much evidence that humane justice and jail systems contribute to lower rates of societal violence and reoffending.

The brothers have served more than double average life sentences, exhibited good behavior in jail for 35 years, provided evidence to back up their allegations of long term sexual and psychological abuse at hands of father and shown remorse for their actions.

The punitive minded “lock em up forever and throw away the keys” Approach serves no one well.

Average life sentence for what crimes? Killing one person? Or two?

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Anonymous wrote:As a person who was horribly abused, in a big fancy house, by parents who were extremely well respected and appeared very normal to everyone outside of the family—I don’t doubt abuse for one second with murder of parents.

Occum’s razor — they were pushed to the edge by abuse? Or so spoiled they shot their parents multiple times at close range with a shotgun? I’m not saying they aren’t sociopaths; I’m saying even if they are it is highly unlikely they’d kill because they are spoiled.

They didn’t seem particularly remorseful. Spending money and having a good old time on their ill gotten gains.

What does that have to do with anything? They should feel remorse for having killed the people who made their life hell?

And they spent a bunch of money? So what, everyone in Beverly Hills spends a bunch of money.

It’s not ok to kill people and spend their money. Even Gypsy Rose Blanchard got 10 years and she didn’t even murder her mom herself. Not sure what kind of lenience people think the Menendez brothers would get for their crime. You can’t just kill people who did you wrong.

They’ve already served 30 years. Don’t act like a punishment has not already been handed out.

They killed their parents. They are not judge and jury.

30 years is not enough.

What an ignorant viewpoint - thank god most of society has moved on from such contextless compassionless blanket judgements ..,

Maybe fast easy Deaths are not enough for fathers who sexually, psychologically and emotionally abuse their sons and mothers who hide/ enable the abuse. Life time sentences in maximum security jails would have been better for them.

So abusers, rapists, and murderers should be sentenced leniently if they were abused as children?

If you call 30 years lenient - it obviously should be taken into account yes. And relevant therapies required while
In jail.
.

But no they should not get off Scott free. The M brothers have already served 30 years.

I don't believe in capital punishment but have no words for someone who thinks like you that 30 years is enough for murder. Can't imagine what you think is suitable for child molesters, rapists, and serial killers.

Americans have become numb to these incredibly long prison sentences and act like it is not enough. Try to imagine losing even ONE year of your own life sitting in prison. It is an enormous life changing punishment. 35 years is pretty much impossible to comprehend.

Plus one.

Especially when the perps were sexually and psychologically abused by their father their entire childhood and afraid that he was going to kill them after threats that they were going to expose his abuse. These are mitigating circumstances.

Since PP brought up the death penalty -
I don’t believe in the death penalty because not only is it immoral and extremely expensive to keep inmates on death row for decades until they exhaust appeal options, it does not deter violent crime.

I don't believe in capital punishment either. I DO believe in life sentences for violent, heinous crines like rape, murder, sexual abuse/torture, serial killings, etc. Many perpetrators of crimes were victims of abuse. That does not mean they are allowed to kill and/or torture others without a life changing punishment. Those who are murdered are gone forever and many of them at very young ages. Those who are molested, tortured, and/or raped are never the same afterwards. They are the innocents who have society's sympathy.

In most of the United States, a life sentence usually means a person in prison for 15 years with the chance for parole. Very rarely are life sentences imposed with no end.

The brothers have already served double the average length.

While I am glad you do not support the death penalty, I don’t think your mentality of lock them up forever and throw away the key is going to prevent cycles of abuse. Yes they did wrong and have served more than two average life sentences. It is time for mercy.

They killed two people so maybe they should get double the time. 15 years doesn’t seem like enough when a murderer snuffs out a life if someone who didn’t deserve it and had many years in front of them. How is that justice for a victim or their family? Your bleeding heart can’t spare a thought for the victims? Only the perpetrators?

Doesn’t the family support Lyle and Erik? To them, justice would be setting the brothers free.

Exactly. The vast majority of their family want them free.

Hope to God that the PP who keeps reiterating “they are murderers” (with no accounting for the horrific abuse by their father, long sentences already served and consistent good behavior) is NOT working in the judicial system or law enforcement.

This mentality perpetuates cycles of abuse and violence. Norway which has a very humane criminal judicial and incarceration system has low recidivism rates . (Recidivism is the tendency of a person to repeat a criminal offense after experiencing jail time and being trained to understand and stop criminal behaviors). Norway has a recidivism rate of 20% while the US has a rate of 76.6%.

There is So much evidence that humane justice and jail systems contribute to lower rates of societal violence and reoffending.

The brothers have served more than double average life sentences, exhibited good behavior in jail for 35 years, provided evidence to back up their allegations of long term sexual and psychological abuse at hands of father and shown remorse for their actions.

The punitive minded “lock em up forever and throw away the keys” Approach serves no one well.

Average life sentence for what crimes? Killing one person? Or two?

No End In Sight: America’s Enduring Reliance on Life Sentences
By Ashley Nellis, Ph.D.
February 17, 2021

https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/no-end-in-sight-americas-enduring-reliance-on-life-sentences/

In the United States, more than 200,000 people are serving life sentences – one out of every seven in prison.

Before America’s era of mass incarceration took hold in the early 1970s, the number of individuals in prison was less than 200,000. Today, it’s 1.4 million; and more than 200,000 people are serving life sentences – one out of every seven in prison. More people are sentenced to life in prison in America than there were people in prison serving any sentence in 1970.

Nearly five times the number of people are now serving life sentences in the United States as were in 1984, a rate of growth that has outpaced even the sharp expansion of the overall prison population during this period.

The now commonplace use of life imprisonment contradicts research on effective public safety strategies, exacerbates already extreme racial injustices in the criminal justice system, and exemplifies the egregious consequences of mass incarceration

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Anonymous wrote:As a person who was horribly abused, in a big fancy house, by parents who were extremely well respected and appeared very normal to everyone outside of the family—I don’t doubt abuse for one second with murder of parents.

Occum’s razor — they were pushed to the edge by abuse? Or so spoiled they shot their parents multiple times at close range with a shotgun? I’m not saying they aren’t sociopaths; I’m saying even if they are it is highly unlikely they’d kill because they are spoiled.

They didn’t seem particularly remorseful. Spending money and having a good old time on their ill gotten gains.

What does that have to do with anything? They should feel remorse for having killed the people who made their life hell?

And they spent a bunch of money? So what, everyone in Beverly Hills spends a bunch of money.

It’s not ok to kill people and spend their money. Even Gypsy Rose Blanchard got 10 years and she didn’t even murder her mom herself. Not sure what kind of lenience people think the Menendez brothers would get for their crime. You can’t just kill people who did you wrong.

They’ve already served 30 years. Don’t act like a punishment has not already been handed out.

They killed their parents. They are not judge and jury.

30 years is not enough.

What an ignorant viewpoint - thank god most of society has moved on from such contextless compassionless blanket judgements ..,

Maybe fast easy Deaths are not enough for fathers who sexually, psychologically and emotionally abuse their sons and mothers who hide/ enable the abuse. Life time sentences in maximum security jails would have been better for them.

So abusers, rapists, and murderers should be sentenced leniently if they were abused as children?

If you call 30 years lenient - it obviously should be taken into account yes. And relevant therapies required while
In jail.
.

But no they should not get off Scott free. The M brothers have already served 30 years.

I don't believe in capital punishment but have no words for someone who thinks like you that 30 years is enough for murder. Can't imagine what you think is suitable for child molesters, rapists, and serial killers.

Americans have become numb to these incredibly long prison sentences and act like it is not enough. Try to imagine losing even ONE year of your own life sitting in prison. It is an enormous life changing punishment. 35 years is pretty much impossible to comprehend.

Plus one.

Especially when the perps were sexually and psychologically abused by their father their entire childhood and afraid that he was going to kill them after threats that they were going to expose his abuse. These are mitigating circumstances.

Since PP brought up the death penalty -
I don’t believe in the death penalty because not only is it immoral and extremely expensive to keep inmates on death row for decades until they exhaust appeal options, it does not deter violent crime.

I don't believe in capital punishment either. I DO believe in life sentences for violent, heinous crines like rape, murder, sexual abuse/torture, serial killings, etc. Many perpetrators of crimes were victims of abuse. That does not mean they are allowed to kill and/or torture others without a life changing punishment. Those who are murdered are gone forever and many of them at very young ages. Those who are molested, tortured, and/or raped are never the same afterwards. They are the innocents who have society's sympathy.

In most of the United States, a life sentence usually means a person in prison for 15 years with the chance for parole. Very rarely are life sentences imposed with no end.

The brothers have already served double the average length.

While I am glad you do not support the death penalty, I don’t think your mentality of lock them up forever and throw away the key is going to prevent cycles of abuse. Yes they did wrong and have served more than two average life sentences. It is time for mercy.

They killed two people so maybe they should get double the time. 15 years doesn’t seem like enough when a murderer snuffs out a life if someone who didn’t deserve it and had many years in front of them. How is that justice for a victim or their family? Your bleeding heart can’t spare a thought for the victims? Only the perpetrators?

Doesn’t the family support Lyle and Erik? To them, justice would be setting the brothers free.

Exactly. The vast majority of their family want them free.

Hope to God that the PP who keeps reiterating “they are murderers” (with no accounting for the horrific abuse by their father, long sentences already served and consistent good behavior) is NOT working in the judicial system or law enforcement.

This mentality perpetuates cycles of abuse and violence. Norway which has a very humane criminal judicial and incarceration system has low recidivism rates . (Recidivism is the tendency of a person to repeat a criminal offense after experiencing jail time and being trained to understand and stop criminal behaviors). Norway has a recidivism rate of 20% while the US has a rate of 76.6%.

There is So much evidence that humane justice and jail systems contribute to lower rates of societal violence and reoffending.

The brothers have served more than double average life sentences, exhibited good behavior in jail for 35 years, provided evidence to back up their allegations of long term sexual and psychological abuse at hands of father and shown remorse for their actions.

The punitive minded “lock em up forever and throw away the keys” Approach serves no one well.

Average life sentence for what crimes? Killing one person? Or two?

No End In Sight: America’s Enduring Reliance on Life Sentences
By Ashley Nellis, Ph.D.
February 17, 2021

https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/no-end-in-sight-americas-enduring-reliance-on-life-sentences/

In the United States, more than 200,000 people are serving life sentences – one out of every seven in prison.

Before America’s era of mass incarceration took hold in the early 1970s, the number of individuals in prison was less than 200,000. Today, it’s 1.4 million; and more than 200,000 people are serving life sentences – one out of every seven in prison. More people are sentenced to life in prison in America than there were people in prison serving any sentence in 1970.

Nearly five times the number of people are now serving life sentences in the United States as were in 1984, a rate of growth that has outpaced even the sharp expansion of the overall prison population during this period.

The now commonplace use of life imprisonment contradicts research on effective public safety strategies, exacerbates already extreme racial injustices in the criminal justice system, and exemplifies the egregious consequences of mass incarceration

That hardly answer the question. I don’t care how many are serving life sentences I’d like to know what their crimes were. Can guarantee these aren’t good people. I’ll spare my sympathy for the victims.

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Anonymous wrote:As a person who was horribly abused, in a big fancy house, by parents who were extremely well respected and appeared very normal to everyone outside of the family—I don’t doubt abuse for one second with murder of parents.

Occum’s razor — they were pushed to the edge by abuse? Or so spoiled they shot their parents multiple times at close range with a shotgun? I’m not saying they aren’t sociopaths; I’m saying even if they are it is highly unlikely they’d kill because they are spoiled.

They didn’t seem particularly remorseful. Spending money and having a good old time on their ill gotten gains.

What does that have to do with anything? They should feel remorse for having killed the people who made their life hell?

And they spent a bunch of money? So what, everyone in Beverly Hills spends a bunch of money.

It’s not ok to kill people and spend their money. Even Gypsy Rose Blanchard got 10 years and she didn’t even murder her mom herself. Not sure what kind of lenience people think the Menendez brothers would get for their crime. You can’t just kill people who did you wrong.

They’ve already served 30 years. Don’t act like a punishment has not already been handed out.

They killed their parents. They are not judge and jury.

30 years is not enough.

What an ignorant viewpoint - thank god most of society has moved on from such contextless compassionless blanket judgements ..,

Maybe fast easy Deaths are not enough for fathers who sexually, psychologically and emotionally abuse their sons and mothers who hide/ enable the abuse. Life time sentences in maximum security jails would have been better for them.

So abusers, rapists, and murderers should be sentenced leniently if they were abused as children?

If you call 30 years lenient - it obviously should be taken into account yes. And relevant therapies required while
In jail.
.

But no they should not get off Scott free. The M brothers have already served 30 years.

I don't believe in capital punishment but have no words for someone who thinks like you that 30 years is enough for murder. Can't imagine what you think is suitable for child molesters, rapists, and serial killers.

Americans have become numb to these incredibly long prison sentences and act like it is not enough. Try to imagine losing even ONE year of your own life sitting in prison. It is an enormous life changing punishment. 35 years is pretty much impossible to comprehend.

Plus one.

Especially when the perps were sexually and psychologically abused by their father their entire childhood and afraid that he was going to kill them after threats that they were going to expose his abuse. These are mitigating circumstances.

Since PP brought up the death penalty -
I don’t believe in the death penalty because not only is it immoral and extremely expensive to keep inmates on death row for decades until they exhaust appeal options, it does not deter violent crime.

I don't believe in capital punishment either. I DO believe in life sentences for violent, heinous crines like rape, murder, sexual abuse/torture, serial killings, etc. Many perpetrators of crimes were victims of abuse. That does not mean they are allowed to kill and/or torture others without a life changing punishment. Those who are murdered are gone forever and many of them at very young ages. Those who are molested, tortured, and/or raped are never the same afterwards. They are the innocents who have society's sympathy.

In most of the United States, a life sentence usually means a person in prison for 15 years with the chance for parole. Very rarely are life sentences imposed with no end.

The brothers have already served double the average length.

While I am glad you do not support the death penalty, I don’t think your mentality of lock them up forever and throw away the key is going to prevent cycles of abuse. Yes they did wrong and have served more than two average life sentences. It is time for mercy.

They killed two people so maybe they should get double the time. 15 years doesn’t seem like enough when a murderer snuffs out a life if someone who didn’t deserve it and had many years in front of them. How is that justice for a victim or their family? Your bleeding heart can’t spare a thought for the victims? Only the perpetrators?

Doesn’t the family support Lyle and Erik? To them, justice would be setting the brothers free.

Exactly. The vast majority of their family want them free.

Hope to God that the PP who keeps reiterating “they are murderers” (with no accounting for the horrific abuse by their father, long sentences already served and consistent good behavior) is NOT working in the judicial system or law enforcement.

This mentality perpetuates cycles of abuse and violence. Norway which has a very humane criminal judicial and incarceration system has low recidivism rates . (Recidivism is the tendency of a person to repeat a criminal offense after experiencing jail time and being trained to understand and stop criminal behaviors). Norway has a recidivism rate of 20% while the US has a rate of 76.6%.

There is So much evidence that humane justice and jail systems contribute to lower rates of societal violence and reoffending.

The brothers have served more than double average life sentences, exhibited good behavior in jail for 35 years, provided evidence to back up their allegations of long term sexual and psychological abuse at hands of father and shown remorse for their actions.

The punitive minded “lock em up forever and throw away the keys” Approach serves no one well.

Average life sentence for what crimes? Killing one person? Or two?

No End In Sight: America’s Enduring Reliance on Life Sentences
By Ashley Nellis, Ph.D.
February 17, 2021

https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/no-end-in-sight-americas-enduring-reliance-on-life-sentences/

In the United States, more than 200,000 people are serving life sentences – one out of every seven in prison.

Before America’s era of mass incarceration took hold in the early 1970s, the number of individuals in prison was less than 200,000. Today, it’s 1.4 million; and more than 200,000 people are serving life sentences – one out of every seven in prison. More people are sentenced to life in prison in America than there were people in prison serving any sentence in 1970.

Nearly five times the number of people are now serving life sentences in the United States as were in 1984, a rate of growth that has outpaced even the sharp expansion of the overall prison population during this period.

The now commonplace use of life imprisonment contradicts research on effective public safety strategies, exacerbates already extreme racial injustices in the criminal justice system, and exemplifies the egregious consequences of mass incarceration

That hardly answer the question. I don’t care how many are serving life sentences I’d like to know what their crimes were. Can guarantee these aren’t good people. I’ll spare my sympathy for the victims.

You are making an emotional decision. Would you rather enjoy your desire for punishment, or would you rather have a system that actually reduces crime? There are a few classes of criminals that cannot be rehabilitated, serial killers for example, but they comprise a small number of offenders.

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Anonymous wrote:As a person who was horribly abused, in a big fancy house, by parents who were extremely well respected and appeared very normal to everyone outside of the family—I don’t doubt abuse for one second with murder of parents.

Occum’s razor — they were pushed to the edge by abuse? Or so spoiled they shot their parents multiple times at close range with a shotgun? I’m not saying they aren’t sociopaths; I’m saying even if they are it is highly unlikely they’d kill because they are spoiled.

They didn’t seem particularly remorseful. Spending money and having a good old time on their ill gotten gains.

What does that have to do with anything? They should feel remorse for having killed the people who made their life hell?

And they spent a bunch of money? So what, everyone in Beverly Hills spends a bunch of money.

It’s not ok to kill people and spend their money. Even Gypsy Rose Blanchard got 10 years and she didn’t even murder her mom herself. Not sure what kind of lenience people think the Menendez brothers would get for their crime. You can’t just kill people who did you wrong.

They’ve already served 30 years. Don’t act like a punishment has not already been handed out.

They killed their parents. They are not judge and jury.

30 years is not enough.

What an ignorant viewpoint - thank god most of society has moved on from such contextless compassionless blanket judgements ..,

Maybe fast easy Deaths are not enough for fathers who sexually, psychologically and emotionally abuse their sons and mothers who hide/ enable the abuse. Life time sentences in maximum security jails would have been better for them.

So abusers, rapists, and murderers should be sentenced leniently if they were abused as children?

If you call 30 years lenient - it obviously should be taken into account yes. And relevant therapies required while
In jail.
.

But no they should not get off Scott free. The M brothers have already served 30 years.

I don't believe in capital punishment but have no words for someone who thinks like you that 30 years is enough for murder. Can't imagine what you think is suitable for child molesters, rapists, and serial killers.

Americans have become numb to these incredibly long prison sentences and act like it is not enough. Try to imagine losing even ONE year of your own life sitting in prison. It is an enormous life changing punishment. 35 years is pretty much impossible to comprehend.

Plus one.

Especially when the perps were sexually and psychologically abused by their father their entire childhood and afraid that he was going to kill them after threats that they were going to expose his abuse. These are mitigating circumstances.

Since PP brought up the death penalty -
I don’t believe in the death penalty because not only is it immoral and extremely expensive to keep inmates on death row for decades until they exhaust appeal options, it does not deter violent crime.

I don't believe in capital punishment either. I DO believe in life sentences for violent, heinous crines like rape, murder, sexual abuse/torture, serial killings, etc. Many perpetrators of crimes were victims of abuse. That does not mean they are allowed to kill and/or torture others without a life changing punishment. Those who are murdered are gone forever and many of them at very young ages. Those who are molested, tortured, and/or raped are never the same afterwards. They are the innocents who have society's sympathy.

In most of the United States, a life sentence usually means a person in prison for 15 years with the chance for parole. Very rarely are life sentences imposed with no end.

The brothers have already served double the average length.

While I am glad you do not support the death penalty, I don’t think your mentality of lock them up forever and throw away the key is going to prevent cycles of abuse. Yes they did wrong and have served more than two average life sentences. It is time for mercy.

They killed two people so maybe they should get double the time. 15 years doesn’t seem like enough when a murderer snuffs out a life if someone who didn’t deserve it and had many years in front of them. How is that justice for a victim or their family? Your bleeding heart can’t spare a thought for the victims? Only the perpetrators?

Doesn’t the family support Lyle and Erik? To them, justice would be setting the brothers free.

Exactly. The vast majority of their family want them free.

Hope to God that the PP who keeps reiterating “they are murderers” (with no accounting for the horrific abuse by their father, long sentences already served and consistent good behavior) is NOT working in the judicial system or law enforcement.

This mentality perpetuates cycles of abuse and violence. Norway which has a very humane criminal judicial and incarceration system has low recidivism rates . (Recidivism is the tendency of a person to repeat a criminal offense after experiencing jail time and being trained to understand and stop criminal behaviors). Norway has a recidivism rate of 20% while the US has a rate of 76.6%.

There is So much evidence that humane justice and jail systems contribute to lower rates of societal violence and reoffending.

The brothers have served more than double average life sentences, exhibited good behavior in jail for 35 years, provided evidence to back up their allegations of long term sexual and psychological abuse at hands of father and shown remorse for their actions.

The punitive minded “lock em up forever and throw away the keys” Approach serves no one well.

Average life sentence for what crimes? Killing one person? Or two?

No End In Sight: America’s Enduring Reliance on Life Sentences
By Ashley Nellis, Ph.D.
February 17, 2021

https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/no-end-in-sight-americas-enduring-reliance-on-life-sentences/

In the United States, more than 200,000 people are serving life sentences – one out of every seven in prison.

Before America’s era of mass incarceration took hold in the early 1970s, the number of individuals in prison was less than 200,000. Today, it’s 1.4 million; and more than 200,000 people are serving life sentences – one out of every seven in prison. More people are sentenced to life in prison in America than there were people in prison serving any sentence in 1970.

Nearly five times the number of people are now serving life sentences in the United States as were in 1984, a rate of growth that has outpaced even the sharp expansion of the overall prison population during this period.

The now commonplace use of life imprisonment contradicts research on effective public safety strategies, exacerbates already extreme racial injustices in the criminal justice system, and exemplifies the egregious consequences of mass incarceration

That hardly answer the question. I don’t care how many are serving life sentences I’d like to know what their crimes were. Can guarantee these aren’t good people. I’ll spare my sympathy for the victims.

You are making an emotional decision. Would you rather enjoy your desire for punishment, or would you rather have a system that actually reduces crime? There are a few classes of criminals that cannot be rehabilitated, serial killers for example, but they comprise a small number of offenders.

Being soft on crime doesn’t seem to be working out in many places. Spare us your bleeding heart for criminals. Talk about emotional!

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Anonymous wrote:As a person who was horribly abused, in a big fancy house, by parents who were extremely well respected and appeared very normal to everyone outside of the family—I don’t doubt abuse for one second with murder of parents.

Occum’s razor — they were pushed to the edge by abuse? Or so spoiled they shot their parents multiple times at close range with a shotgun? I’m not saying they aren’t sociopaths; I’m saying even if they are it is highly unlikely they’d kill because they are spoiled.

They didn’t seem particularly remorseful. Spending money and having a good old time on their ill gotten gains.

What does that have to do with anything? They should feel remorse for having killed the people who made their life hell?

And they spent a bunch of money? So what, everyone in Beverly Hills spends a bunch of money.

It’s not ok to kill people and spend their money. Even Gypsy Rose Blanchard got 10 years and she didn’t even murder her mom herself. Not sure what kind of lenience people think the Menendez brothers would get for their crime. You can’t just kill people who did you wrong.

They’ve already served 30 years. Don’t act like a punishment has not already been handed out.

They killed their parents. They are not judge and jury.

30 years is not enough.

What an ignorant viewpoint - thank god most of society has moved on from such contextless compassionless blanket judgements ..,

Maybe fast easy Deaths are not enough for fathers who sexually, psychologically and emotionally abuse their sons and mothers who hide/ enable the abuse. Life time sentences in maximum security jails would have been better for them.

So abusers, rapists, and murderers should be sentenced leniently if they were abused as children?

If you call 30 years lenient - it obviously should be taken into account yes. And relevant therapies required while
In jail.
.

But no they should not get off Scott free. The M brothers have already served 30 years.

I don't believe in capital punishment but have no words for someone who thinks like you that 30 years is enough for murder. Can't imagine what you think is suitable for child molesters, rapists, and serial killers.

Americans have become numb to these incredibly long prison sentences and act like it is not enough. Try to imagine losing even ONE year of your own life sitting in prison. It is an enormous life changing punishment. 35 years is pretty much impossible to comprehend.

Plus one.

Especially when the perps were sexually and psychologically abused by their father their entire childhood and afraid that he was going to kill them after threats that they were going to expose his abuse. These are mitigating circumstances.

Since PP brought up the death penalty -
I don’t believe in the death penalty because not only is it immoral and extremely expensive to keep inmates on death row for decades until they exhaust appeal options, it does not deter violent crime.

I don't believe in capital punishment either. I DO believe in life sentences for violent, heinous crines like rape, murder, sexual abuse/torture, serial killings, etc. Many perpetrators of crimes were victims of abuse. That does not mean they are allowed to kill and/or torture others without a life changing punishment. Those who are murdered are gone forever and many of them at very young ages. Those who are molested, tortured, and/or raped are never the same afterwards. They are the innocents who have society's sympathy.

In most of the United States, a life sentence usually means a person in prison for 15 years with the chance for parole. Very rarely are life sentences imposed with no end.

The brothers have already served double the average length.

While I am glad you do not support the death penalty, I don’t think your mentality of lock them up forever and throw away the key is going to prevent cycles of abuse. Yes they did wrong and have served more than two average life sentences. It is time for mercy.

They killed two people so maybe they should get double the time. 15 years doesn’t seem like enough when a murderer snuffs out a life if someone who didn’t deserve it and had many years in front of them. How is that justice for a victim or their family? Your bleeding heart can’t spare a thought for the victims? Only the perpetrators?

Doesn’t the family support Lyle and Erik? To them, justice would be setting the brothers free.

Exactly. The vast majority of their family want them free.

Hope to God that the PP who keeps reiterating “they are murderers” (with no accounting for the horrific abuse by their father, long sentences already served and consistent good behavior) is NOT working in the judicial system or law enforcement.

This mentality perpetuates cycles of abuse and violence. Norway which has a very humane criminal judicial and incarceration system has low recidivism rates . (Recidivism is the tendency of a person to repeat a criminal offense after experiencing jail time and being trained to understand and stop criminal behaviors). Norway has a recidivism rate of 20% while the US has a rate of 76.6%.

There is So much evidence that humane justice and jail systems contribute to lower rates of societal violence and reoffending.

The brothers have served more than double average life sentences, exhibited good behavior in jail for 35 years, provided evidence to back up their allegations of long term sexual and psychological abuse at hands of father and shown remorse for their actions.

The punitive minded “lock em up forever and throw away the keys” Approach serves no one well.

Average life sentence for what crimes? Killing one person? Or two?

No End In Sight: America’s Enduring Reliance on Life Sentences
By Ashley Nellis, Ph.D.
February 17, 2021

https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/no-end-in-sight-americas-enduring-reliance-on-life-sentences/

In the United States, more than 200,000 people are serving life sentences – one out of every seven in prison.

Before America’s era of mass incarceration took hold in the early 1970s, the number of individuals in prison was less than 200,000. Today, it’s 1.4 million; and more than 200,000 people are serving life sentences – one out of every seven in prison. More people are sentenced to life in prison in America than there were people in prison serving any sentence in 1970.

Nearly five times the number of people are now serving life sentences in the United States as were in 1984, a rate of growth that has outpaced even the sharp expansion of the overall prison population during this period.

The now commonplace use of life imprisonment contradicts research on effective public safety strategies, exacerbates already extreme racial injustices in the criminal justice system, and exemplifies the egregious consequences of mass incarceration

The US has a very high homicide rate compared to other developed countries. Unfortunately in this country there are hundreds of cases of people convicted of brutal murders who are released then kill again.

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Anonymous wrote:As a person who was horribly abused, in a big fancy house, by parents who were extremely well respected and appeared very normal to everyone outside of the family—I don’t doubt abuse for one second with murder of parents.

Occum’s razor — they were pushed to the edge by abuse? Or so spoiled they shot their parents multiple times at close range with a shotgun? I’m not saying they aren’t sociopaths; I’m saying even if they are it is highly unlikely they’d kill because they are spoiled.

They didn’t seem particularly remorseful. Spending money and having a good old time on their ill gotten gains.

What does that have to do with anything? They should feel remorse for having killed the people who made their life hell?

And they spent a bunch of money? So what, everyone in Beverly Hills spends a bunch of money.

It’s not ok to kill people and spend their money. Even Gypsy Rose Blanchard got 10 years and she didn’t even murder her mom herself. Not sure what kind of lenience people think the Menendez brothers would get for their crime. You can’t just kill people who did you wrong.

They’ve already served 30 years. Don’t act like a punishment has not already been handed out.

They killed their parents. They are not judge and jury.

30 years is not enough.

What an ignorant viewpoint - thank god most of society has moved on from such contextless compassionless blanket judgements ..,

Maybe fast easy Deaths are not enough for fathers who sexually, psychologically and emotionally abuse their sons and mothers who hide/ enable the abuse. Life time sentences in maximum security jails would have been better for them.

So abusers, rapists, and murderers should be sentenced leniently if they were abused as children?

If you call 30 years lenient - it obviously should be taken into account yes. And relevant therapies required while
In jail.
.

But no they should not get off Scott free. The M brothers have already served 30 years.

I don't believe in capital punishment but have no words for someone who thinks like you that 30 years is enough for murder. Can't imagine what you think is suitable for child molesters, rapists, and serial killers.

Americans have become numb to these incredibly long prison sentences and act like it is not enough. Try to imagine losing even ONE year of your own life sitting in prison. It is an enormous life changing punishment. 35 years is pretty much impossible to comprehend.

Plus one.

Especially when the perps were sexually and psychologically abused by their father their entire childhood and afraid that he was going to kill them after threats that they were going to expose his abuse. These are mitigating circumstances.

Since PP brought up the death penalty -
I don’t believe in the death penalty because not only is it immoral and extremely expensive to keep inmates on death row for decades until they exhaust appeal options, it does not deter violent crime.

I don't believe in capital punishment either. I DO believe in life sentences for violent, heinous crines like rape, murder, sexual abuse/torture, serial killings, etc. Many perpetrators of crimes were victims of abuse. That does not mean they are allowed to kill and/or torture others without a life changing punishment. Those who are murdered are gone forever and many of them at very young ages. Those who are molested, tortured, and/or raped are never the same afterwards. They are the innocents who have society's sympathy.

In most of the United States, a life sentence usually means a person in prison for 15 years with the chance for parole. Very rarely are life sentences imposed with no end.

The brothers have already served double the average length.

While I am glad you do not support the death penalty, I don’t think your mentality of lock them up forever and throw away the key is going to prevent cycles of abuse. Yes they did wrong and have served more than two average life sentences. It is time for mercy.

They killed two people so maybe they should get double the time. 15 years doesn’t seem like enough when a murderer snuffs out a life if someone who didn’t deserve it and had many years in front of them. How is that justice for a victim or their family? Your bleeding heart can’t spare a thought for the victims? Only the perpetrators?

Doesn’t the family support Lyle and Erik? To them, justice would be setting the brothers free.

Exactly. The vast majority of their family want them free.

Hope to God that the PP who keeps reiterating “they are murderers” (with no accounting for the horrific abuse by their father, long sentences already served and consistent good behavior) is NOT working in the judicial system or law enforcement.

This mentality perpetuates cycles of abuse and violence. Norway which has a very humane criminal judicial and incarceration system has low recidivism rates . (Recidivism is the tendency of a person to repeat a criminal offense after experiencing jail time and being trained to understand and stop criminal behaviors). Norway has a recidivism rate of 20% while the US has a rate of 76.6%.

There is So much evidence that humane justice and jail systems contribute to lower rates of societal violence and reoffending.

The brothers have served more than double average life sentences, exhibited good behavior in jail for 35 years, provided evidence to back up their allegations of long term sexual and psychological abuse at hands of father and shown remorse for their actions.

The punitive minded “lock em up forever and throw away the keys” Approach serves no one well.

Average life sentence for what crimes? Killing one person? Or two?

No End In Sight: America’s Enduring Reliance on Life Sentences
By Ashley Nellis, Ph.D.
February 17, 2021

https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/no-end-in-sight-americas-enduring-reliance-on-life-sentences/

In the United States, more than 200,000 people are serving life sentences – one out of every seven in prison.

Before America’s era of mass incarceration took hold in the early 1970s, the number of individuals in prison was less than 200,000. Today, it’s 1.4 million; and more than 200,000 people are serving life sentences – one out of every seven in prison. More people are sentenced to life in prison in America than there were people in prison serving any sentence in 1970.

Nearly five times the number of people are now serving life sentences in the United States as were in 1984, a rate of growth that has outpaced even the sharp expansion of the overall prison population during this period.

The now commonplace use of life imprisonment contradicts research on effective public safety strategies, exacerbates already extreme racial injustices in the criminal justice system, and exemplifies the egregious consequences of mass incarceration

That hardly answer the question. I don’t care how many are serving life sentences I’d like to know what their crimes were. Can guarantee these aren’t good people. I’ll spare my sympathy for the victims.

You are making an emotional decision. Would you rather enjoy your desire for punishment, or would you rather have a system that actually reduces crime? There are a few classes of criminals that cannot be rehabilitated, serial killers for example, but they comprise a small number of offenders.

Being soft on crime doesn’t seem to be working out in many places. Spare us your bleeding heart for criminals. Talk about emotional!

It’s not emotional. It’s based on a multitude of research which clearly demonstrates that rehabilitative correctional systems result in dramatic reductions in overall crime rates and recidivism.

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Anonymous wrote:As a person who was horribly abused, in a big fancy house, by parents who were extremely well respected and appeared very normal to everyone outside of the family—I don’t doubt abuse for one second with murder of parents.

Occum’s razor — they were pushed to the edge by abuse? Or so spoiled they shot their parents multiple times at close range with a shotgun? I’m not saying they aren’t sociopaths; I’m saying even if they are it is highly unlikely they’d kill because they are spoiled.

They didn’t seem particularly remorseful. Spending money and having a good old time on their ill gotten gains.

What does that have to do with anything? They should feel remorse for having killed the people who made their life hell?

And they spent a bunch of money? So what, everyone in Beverly Hills spends a bunch of money.

It’s not ok to kill people and spend their money. Even Gypsy Rose Blanchard got 10 years and she didn’t even murder her mom herself. Not sure what kind of lenience people think the Menendez brothers would get for their crime. You can’t just kill people who did you wrong.

They’ve already served 30 years. Don’t act like a punishment has not already been handed out.

They killed their parents. They are not judge and jury.

30 years is not enough.

What an ignorant viewpoint - thank god most of society has moved on from such contextless compassionless blanket judgements ..,

Maybe fast easy Deaths are not enough for fathers who sexually, psychologically and emotionally abuse their sons and mothers who hide/ enable the abuse. Life time sentences in maximum security jails would have been better for them.

So abusers, rapists, and murderers should be sentenced leniently if they were abused as children?

If you call 30 years lenient - it obviously should be taken into account yes. And relevant therapies required while
In jail.
.

But no they should not get off Scott free. The M brothers have already served 30 years.

I don't believe in capital punishment but have no words for someone who thinks like you that 30 years is enough for murder. Can't imagine what you think is suitable for child molesters, rapists, and serial killers.

Americans have become numb to these incredibly long prison sentences and act like it is not enough. Try to imagine losing even ONE year of your own life sitting in prison. It is an enormous life changing punishment. 35 years is pretty much impossible to comprehend.

Plus one.

Especially when the perps were sexually and psychologically abused by their father their entire childhood and afraid that he was going to kill them after threats that they were going to expose his abuse. These are mitigating circumstances.

Since PP brought up the death penalty -
I don’t believe in the death penalty because not only is it immoral and extremely expensive to keep inmates on death row for decades until they exhaust appeal options, it does not deter violent crime.

I don't believe in capital punishment either. I DO believe in life sentences for violent, heinous crines like rape, murder, sexual abuse/torture, serial killings, etc. Many perpetrators of crimes were victims of abuse. That does not mean they are allowed to kill and/or torture others without a life changing punishment. Those who are murdered are gone forever and many of them at very young ages. Those who are molested, tortured, and/or raped are never the same afterwards. They are the innocents who have society's sympathy.

In most of the United States, a life sentence usually means a person in prison for 15 years with the chance for parole. Very rarely are life sentences imposed with no end.

The brothers have already served double the average length.

While I am glad you do not support the death penalty, I don’t think your mentality of lock them up forever and throw away the key is going to prevent cycles of abuse. Yes they did wrong and have served more than two average life sentences. It is time for mercy.

They killed two people so maybe they should get double the time. 15 years doesn’t seem like enough when a murderer snuffs out a life if someone who didn’t deserve it and had many years in front of them. How is that justice for a victim or their family? Your bleeding heart can’t spare a thought for the victims? Only the perpetrators?

Doesn’t the family support Lyle and Erik? To them, justice would be setting the brothers free.

Exactly. The vast majority of their family want them free.

Hope to God that the PP who keeps reiterating “they are murderers” (with no accounting for the horrific abuse by their father, long sentences already served and consistent good behavior) is NOT working in the judicial system or law enforcement.

This mentality perpetuates cycles of abuse and violence. Norway which has a very humane criminal judicial and incarceration system has low recidivism rates . (Recidivism is the tendency of a person to repeat a criminal offense after experiencing jail time and being trained to understand and stop criminal behaviors). Norway has a recidivism rate of 20% while the US has a rate of 76.6%.

There is So much evidence that humane justice and jail systems contribute to lower rates of societal violence and reoffending.

The brothers have served more than double average life sentences, exhibited good behavior in jail for 35 years, provided evidence to back up their allegations of long term sexual and psychological abuse at hands of father and shown remorse for their actions.

The punitive minded “lock em up forever and throw away the keys” Approach serves no one well.

Average life sentence for what crimes? Killing one person? Or two?

No End In Sight: America’s Enduring Reliance on Life Sentences
By Ashley Nellis, Ph.D.
February 17, 2021

https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/no-end-in-sight-americas-enduring-reliance-on-life-sentences/

In the United States, more than 200,000 people are serving life sentences – one out of every seven in prison.

Before America’s era of mass incarceration took hold in the early 1970s, the number of individuals in prison was less than 200,000. Today, it’s 1.4 million; and more than 200,000 people are serving life sentences – one out of every seven in prison. More people are sentenced to life in prison in America than there were people in prison serving any sentence in 1970.

Nearly five times the number of people are now serving life sentences in the United States as were in 1984, a rate of growth that has outpaced even the sharp expansion of the overall prison population during this period.

The now commonplace use of life imprisonment contradicts research on effective public safety strategies, exacerbates already extreme racial injustices in the criminal justice system, and exemplifies the egregious consequences of mass incarceration

That hardly answer the question. I don’t care how many are serving life sentences I’d like to know what their crimes were. Can guarantee these aren’t good people. I’ll spare my sympathy for the victims.

The victims were also criminals in this case - and were legally responsible for protecting their boys who they failed in the worse possible ways :


Keep trying to act as if it is black and white and as if your punitive mind set helps prevent cycle of abuse: but please know your mind set does more harm than good.

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Anonymous wrote:As a person who was horribly abused, in a big fancy house, by parents who were extremely well respected and appeared very normal to everyone outside of the family—I don’t doubt abuse for one second with murder of parents.

Occum’s razor — they were pushed to the edge by abuse? Or so spoiled they shot their parents multiple times at close range with a shotgun? I’m not saying they aren’t sociopaths; I’m saying even if they are it is highly unlikely they’d kill because they are spoiled.

They didn’t seem particularly remorseful. Spending money and having a good old time on their ill gotten gains.

What does that have to do with anything? They should feel remorse for having killed the people who made their life hell?

And they spent a bunch of money? So what, everyone in Beverly Hills spends a bunch of money.

It’s not ok to kill people and spend their money. Even Gypsy Rose Blanchard got 10 years and she didn’t even murder her mom herself. Not sure what kind of lenience people think the Menendez brothers would get for their crime. You can’t just kill people who did you wrong.

They’ve already served 30 years. Don’t act like a punishment has not already been handed out.

They killed their parents. They are not judge and jury.

30 years is not enough.

What an ignorant viewpoint - thank god most of society has moved on from such contextless compassionless blanket judgements ..,

Maybe fast easy Deaths are not enough for fathers who sexually, psychologically and emotionally abuse their sons and mothers who hide/ enable the abuse. Life time sentences in maximum security jails would have been better for them.

So abusers, rapists, and murderers should be sentenced leniently if they were abused as children?

If you call 30 years lenient - it obviously should be taken into account yes. And relevant therapies required while
In jail.
.

But no they should not get off Scott free. The M brothers have already served 30 years.

I don't believe in capital punishment but have no words for someone who thinks like you that 30 years is enough for murder. Can't imagine what you think is suitable for child molesters, rapists, and serial killers.

Americans have become numb to these incredibly long prison sentences and act like it is not enough. Try to imagine losing even ONE year of your own life sitting in prison. It is an enormous life changing punishment. 35 years is pretty much impossible to comprehend.

Plus one.

Especially when the perps were sexually and psychologically abused by their father their entire childhood and afraid that he was going to kill them after threats that they were going to expose his abuse. These are mitigating circumstances.

Since PP brought up the death penalty -
I don’t believe in the death penalty because not only is it immoral and extremely expensive to keep inmates on death row for decades until they exhaust appeal options, it does not deter violent crime.

I don't believe in capital punishment either. I DO believe in life sentences for violent, heinous crines like rape, murder, sexual abuse/torture, serial killings, etc. Many perpetrators of crimes were victims of abuse. That does not mean they are allowed to kill and/or torture others without a life changing punishment. Those who are murdered are gone forever and many of them at very young ages. Those who are molested, tortured, and/or raped are never the same afterwards. They are the innocents who have society's sympathy.

In most of the United States, a life sentence usually means a person in prison for 15 years with the chance for parole. Very rarely are life sentences imposed with no end.

The brothers have already served double the average length.

While I am glad you do not support the death penalty, I don’t think your mentality of lock them up forever and throw away the key is going to prevent cycles of abuse. Yes they did wrong and have served more than two average life sentences. It is time for mercy.

They killed two people so maybe they should get double the time. 15 years doesn’t seem like enough when a murderer snuffs out a life if someone who didn’t deserve it and had many years in front of them. How is that justice for a victim or their family? Your bleeding heart can’t spare a thought for the victims? Only the perpetrators?

Doesn’t the family support Lyle and Erik? To them, justice would be setting the brothers free.

Exactly. The vast majority of their family want them free.

Hope to God that the PP who keeps reiterating “they are murderers” (with no accounting for the horrific abuse by their father, long sentences already served and consistent good behavior) is NOT working in the judicial system or law enforcement.

This mentality perpetuates cycles of abuse and violence. Norway which has a very humane criminal judicial and incarceration system has low recidivism rates . (Recidivism is the tendency of a person to repeat a criminal offense after experiencing jail time and being trained to understand and stop criminal behaviors). Norway has a recidivism rate of 20% while the US has a rate of 76.6%.

There is So much evidence that humane justice and jail systems contribute to lower rates of societal violence and reoffending.

The brothers have served more than double average life sentences, exhibited good behavior in jail for 35 years, provided evidence to back up their allegations of long term sexual and psychological abuse at hands of father and shown remorse for their actions.

The punitive minded “lock em up forever and throw away the keys” Approach serves no one well.

Average life sentence for what crimes? Killing one person? Or two?

No End In Sight: America’s Enduring Reliance on Life Sentences
By Ashley Nellis, Ph.D.
February 17, 2021

https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/no-end-in-sight-americas-enduring-reliance-on-life-sentences/

In the United States, more than 200,000 people are serving life sentences – one out of every seven in prison.

Before America’s era of mass incarceration took hold in the early 1970s, the number of individuals in prison was less than 200,000. Today, it’s 1.4 million; and more than 200,000 people are serving life sentences – one out of every seven in prison. More people are sentenced to life in prison in America than there were people in prison serving any sentence in 1970.

Nearly five times the number of people are now serving life sentences in the United States as were in 1984, a rate of growth that has outpaced even the sharp expansion of the overall prison population during this period.

The now commonplace use of life imprisonment contradicts research on effective public safety strategies, exacerbates already extreme racial injustices in the criminal justice system, and exemplifies the egregious consequences of mass incarceration

That hardly answer the question. I don’t care how many are serving life sentences I’d like to know what their crimes were. Can guarantee these aren’t good people. I’ll spare my sympathy for the victims.

The victims were also criminals in this case - and were legally responsible for protecting their boys who they failed in the worse possible ways :


Keep trying to act as if it is black and white and as if your punitive mind set helps prevent cycle of abuse: but please know your mind set does more harm than good.

The black and white thinking is “they’ve served long enough!” Says who?

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Anonymous wrote:As a person who was horribly abused, in a big fancy house, by parents who were extremely well respected and appeared very normal to everyone outside of the family—I don’t doubt abuse for one second with murder of parents.

Occum’s razor — they were pushed to the edge by abuse? Or so spoiled they shot their parents multiple times at close range with a shotgun? I’m not saying they aren’t sociopaths; I’m saying even if they are it is highly unlikely they’d kill because they are spoiled.

They didn’t seem particularly remorseful. Spending money and having a good old time on their ill gotten gains.

What does that have to do with anything? They should feel remorse for having killed the people who made their life hell?

And they spent a bunch of money? So what, everyone in Beverly Hills spends a bunch of money.

It’s not ok to kill people and spend their money. Even Gypsy Rose Blanchard got 10 years and she didn’t even murder her mom herself. Not sure what kind of lenience people think the Menendez brothers would get for their crime. You can’t just kill people who did you wrong.

They’ve already served 30 years. Don’t act like a punishment has not already been handed out.

They killed their parents. They are not judge and jury.

30 years is not enough.

What an ignorant viewpoint - thank god most of society has moved on from such contextless compassionless blanket judgements ..,

Maybe fast easy Deaths are not enough for fathers who sexually, psychologically and emotionally abuse their sons and mothers who hide/ enable the abuse. Life time sentences in maximum security jails would have been better for them.

So abusers, rapists, and murderers should be sentenced leniently if they were abused as children?

If you call 30 years lenient - it obviously should be taken into account yes. And relevant therapies required while
In jail.
.

But no they should not get off Scott free. The M brothers have already served 30 years.

I don't believe in capital punishment but have no words for someone who thinks like you that 30 years is enough for murder. Can't imagine what you think is suitable for child molesters, rapists, and serial killers.

Americans have become numb to these incredibly long prison sentences and act like it is not enough. Try to imagine losing even ONE year of your own life sitting in prison. It is an enormous life changing punishment. 35 years is pretty much impossible to comprehend.

Plus one.

Especially when the perps were sexually and psychologically abused by their father their entire childhood and afraid that he was going to kill them after threats that they were going to expose his abuse. These are mitigating circumstances.

Since PP brought up the death penalty -
I don’t believe in the death penalty because not only is it immoral and extremely expensive to keep inmates on death row for decades until they exhaust appeal options, it does not deter violent crime.

I don't believe in capital punishment either. I DO believe in life sentences for violent, heinous crines like rape, murder, sexual abuse/torture, serial killings, etc. Many perpetrators of crimes were victims of abuse. That does not mean they are allowed to kill and/or torture others without a life changing punishment. Those who are murdered are gone forever and many of them at very young ages. Those who are molested, tortured, and/or raped are never the same afterwards. They are the innocents who have society's sympathy.

In most of the United States, a life sentence usually means a person in prison for 15 years with the chance for parole. Very rarely are life sentences imposed with no end.

The brothers have already served double the average length.

While I am glad you do not support the death penalty, I don’t think your mentality of lock them up forever and throw away the key is going to prevent cycles of abuse. Yes they did wrong and have served more than two average life sentences. It is time for mercy.

They killed two people so maybe they should get double the time. 15 years doesn’t seem like enough when a murderer snuffs out a life if someone who didn’t deserve it and had many years in front of them. How is that justice for a victim or their family? Your bleeding heart can’t spare a thought for the victims? Only the perpetrators?

Doesn’t the family support Lyle and Erik? To them, justice would be setting the brothers free.

Exactly. The vast majority of their family want them free.

Hope to God that the PP who keeps reiterating “they are murderers” (with no accounting for the horrific abuse by their father, long sentences already served and consistent good behavior) is NOT working in the judicial system or law enforcement.

This mentality perpetuates cycles of abuse and violence. Norway which has a very humane criminal judicial and incarceration system has low recidivism rates . (Recidivism is the tendency of a person to repeat a criminal offense after experiencing jail time and being trained to understand and stop criminal behaviors). Norway has a recidivism rate of 20% while the US has a rate of 76.6%.

There is So much evidence that humane justice and jail systems contribute to lower rates of societal violence and reoffending.

The brothers have served more than double average life sentences, exhibited good behavior in jail for 35 years, provided evidence to back up their allegations of long term sexual and psychological abuse at hands of father and shown remorse for their actions.

The punitive minded “lock em up forever and throw away the keys” Approach serves no one well.

Average life sentence for what crimes? Killing one person? Or two?

No End In Sight: America’s Enduring Reliance on Life Sentences
By Ashley Nellis, Ph.D.
February 17, 2021

https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/no-end-in-sight-americas-enduring-reliance-on-life-sentences/

In the United States, more than 200,000 people are serving life sentences – one out of every seven in prison.

Before America’s era of mass incarceration took hold in the early 1970s, the number of individuals in prison was less than 200,000. Today, it’s 1.4 million; and more than 200,000 people are serving life sentences – one out of every seven in prison. More people are sentenced to life in prison in America than there were people in prison serving any sentence in 1970.

Nearly five times the number of people are now serving life sentences in the United States as were in 1984, a rate of growth that has outpaced even the sharp expansion of the overall prison population during this period.

The now commonplace use of life imprisonment contradicts research on effective public safety strategies, exacerbates already extreme racial injustices in the criminal justice system, and exemplifies the egregious consequences of mass incarceration

That hardly answer the question. I don’t care how many are serving life sentences I’d like to know what their crimes were. Can guarantee these aren’t good people. I’ll spare my sympathy for the victims.

You are making an emotional decision. Would you rather enjoy your desire for punishment, or would you rather have a system that actually reduces crime? There are a few classes of criminals that cannot be rehabilitated, serial killers for example, but they comprise a small number of offenders.

Being soft on crime doesn’t seem to be working out in many places. Spare us your bleeding heart for criminals. Talk about emotional!

It’s not emotional. It’s based on a multitude of research which clearly demonstrates that rehabilitative correctional systems result in dramatic reductions in overall crime rates and recidivism.

Oh. Is this why we have so many career criminals and repeat offenders?

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Anonymous wrote:As a person who was horribly abused, in a big fancy house, by parents who were extremely well respected and appeared very normal to everyone outside of the family—I don’t doubt abuse for one second with murder of parents.

Occum’s razor — they were pushed to the edge by abuse? Or so spoiled they shot their parents multiple times at close range with a shotgun? I’m not saying they aren’t sociopaths; I’m saying even if they are it is highly unlikely they’d kill because they are spoiled.

They didn’t seem particularly remorseful. Spending money and having a good old time on their ill gotten gains.

What does that have to do with anything? They should feel remorse for having killed the people who made their life hell?

And they spent a bunch of money? So what, everyone in Beverly Hills spends a bunch of money.

It’s not ok to kill people and spend their money. Even Gypsy Rose Blanchard got 10 years and she didn’t even murder her mom herself. Not sure what kind of lenience people think the Menendez brothers would get for their crime. You can’t just kill people who did you wrong.

They’ve already served 30 years. Don’t act like a punishment has not already been handed out.

They killed their parents. They are not judge and jury.

30 years is not enough.

What an ignorant viewpoint - thank god most of society has moved on from such contextless compassionless blanket judgements ..,

Maybe fast easy Deaths are not enough for fathers who sexually, psychologically and emotionally abuse their sons and mothers who hide/ enable the abuse. Life time sentences in maximum security jails would have been better for them.

So abusers, rapists, and murderers should be sentenced leniently if they were abused as children?

If you call 30 years lenient - it obviously should be taken into account yes. And relevant therapies required while
In jail.
.

But no they should not get off Scott free. The M brothers have already served 30 years.

I don't believe in capital punishment but have no words for someone who thinks like you that 30 years is enough for murder. Can't imagine what you think is suitable for child molesters, rapists, and serial killers.

Americans have become numb to these incredibly long prison sentences and act like it is not enough. Try to imagine losing even ONE year of your own life sitting in prison. It is an enormous life changing punishment. 35 years is pretty much impossible to comprehend.

Plus one.

Especially when the perps were sexually and psychologically abused by their father their entire childhood and afraid that he was going to kill them after threats that they were going to expose his abuse. These are mitigating circumstances.

Since PP brought up the death penalty -
I don’t believe in the death penalty because not only is it immoral and extremely expensive to keep inmates on death row for decades until they exhaust appeal options, it does not deter violent crime.

I don't believe in capital punishment either. I DO believe in life sentences for violent, heinous crines like rape, murder, sexual abuse/torture, serial killings, etc. Many perpetrators of crimes were victims of abuse. That does not mean they are allowed to kill and/or torture others without a life changing punishment. Those who are murdered are gone forever and many of them at very young ages. Those who are molested, tortured, and/or raped are never the same afterwards. They are the innocents who have society's sympathy.

In most of the United States, a life sentence usually means a person in prison for 15 years with the chance for parole. Very rarely are life sentences imposed with no end.

The brothers have already served double the average length.

While I am glad you do not support the death penalty, I don’t think your mentality of lock them up forever and throw away the key is going to prevent cycles of abuse. Yes they did wrong and have served more than two average life sentences. It is time for mercy.

They killed two people so maybe they should get double the time. 15 years doesn’t seem like enough when a murderer snuffs out a life if someone who didn’t deserve it and had many years in front of them. How is that justice for a victim or their family? Your bleeding heart can’t spare a thought for the victims? Only the perpetrators?

Doesn’t the family support Lyle and Erik? To them, justice would be setting the brothers free.

Exactly. The vast majority of their family want them free.

Hope to God that the PP who keeps reiterating “they are murderers” (with no accounting for the horrific abuse by their father, long sentences already served and consistent good behavior) is NOT working in the judicial system or law enforcement.

This mentality perpetuates cycles of abuse and violence. Norway which has a very humane criminal judicial and incarceration system has low recidivism rates . (Recidivism is the tendency of a person to repeat a criminal offense after experiencing jail time and being trained to understand and stop criminal behaviors). Norway has a recidivism rate of 20% while the US has a rate of 76.6%.

There is So much evidence that humane justice and jail systems contribute to lower rates of societal violence and reoffending.

The brothers have served more than double average life sentences, exhibited good behavior in jail for 35 years, provided evidence to back up their allegations of long term sexual and psychological abuse at hands of father and shown remorse for their actions.

The punitive minded “lock em up forever and throw away the keys” Approach serves no one well.

Average life sentence for what crimes? Killing one person? Or two?

No End In Sight: America’s Enduring Reliance on Life Sentences
By Ashley Nellis, Ph.D.
February 17, 2021

https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/no-end-in-sight-americas-enduring-reliance-on-life-sentences/

In the United States, more than 200,000 people are serving life sentences – one out of every seven in prison.

Before America’s era of mass incarceration took hold in the early 1970s, the number of individuals in prison was less than 200,000. Today, it’s 1.4 million; and more than 200,000 people are serving life sentences – one out of every seven in prison. More people are sentenced to life in prison in America than there were people in prison serving any sentence in 1970.

Nearly five times the number of people are now serving life sentences in the United States as were in 1984, a rate of growth that has outpaced even the sharp expansion of the overall prison population during this period.

The now commonplace use of life imprisonment contradicts research on effective public safety strategies, exacerbates already extreme racial injustices in the criminal justice system, and exemplifies the egregious consequences of mass incarceration

That hardly answer the question. I don’t care how many are serving life sentences I’d like to know what their crimes were. Can guarantee these aren’t good people. I’ll spare my sympathy for the victims.

The victims were also criminals in this case - and were legally responsible for protecting their boys who they failed in the worse possible ways :


Keep trying to act as if it is black and white and as if your punitive mind set helps prevent cycle of abuse: but please know your mind set does more harm than good.

The black and white thinking is “they’ve served long enough!” Says who?

According to available data, Scandinavian countries like Norway generally have the lowest recidivism rates due to their focus on rehabilitation within their prison systems, with Norway often cited as having one of the lowest rates globally, around 20%

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Anonymous wrote:As a person who was horribly abused, in a big fancy house, by parents who were extremely well respected and appeared very normal to everyone outside of the family—I don’t doubt abuse for one second with murder of parents.

Occum’s razor — they were pushed to the edge by abuse? Or so spoiled they shot their parents multiple times at close range with a shotgun? I’m not saying they aren’t sociopaths; I’m saying even if they are it is highly unlikely they’d kill because they are spoiled.

They didn’t seem particularly remorseful. Spending money and having a good old time on their ill gotten gains.

What does that have to do with anything? They should feel remorse for having killed the people who made their life hell?

And they spent a bunch of money? So what, everyone in Beverly Hills spends a bunch of money.

It’s not ok to kill people and spend their money. Even Gypsy Rose Blanchard got 10 years and she didn’t even murder her mom herself. Not sure what kind of lenience people think the Menendez brothers would get for their crime. You can’t just kill people who did you wrong.

They’ve already served 30 years. Don’t act like a punishment has not already been handed out.

They killed their parents. They are not judge and jury.

30 years is not enough.

What an ignorant viewpoint - thank god most of society has moved on from such contextless compassionless blanket judgements ..,

Maybe fast easy Deaths are not enough for fathers who sexually, psychologically and emotionally abuse their sons and mothers who hide/ enable the abuse. Life time sentences in maximum security jails would have been better for them.

So abusers, rapists, and murderers should be sentenced leniently if they were abused as children?

If you call 30 years lenient - it obviously should be taken into account yes. And relevant therapies required while
In jail.
.

But no they should not get off Scott free. The M brothers have already served 30 years.

I don't believe in capital punishment but have no words for someone who thinks like you that 30 years is enough for murder. Can't imagine what you think is suitable for child molesters, rapists, and serial killers.

Americans have become numb to these incredibly long prison sentences and act like it is not enough. Try to imagine losing even ONE year of your own life sitting in prison. It is an enormous life changing punishment. 35 years is pretty much impossible to comprehend.

Plus one.

Especially when the perps were sexually and psychologically abused by their father their entire childhood and afraid that he was going to kill them after threats that they were going to expose his abuse. These are mitigating circumstances.

Since PP brought up the death penalty -
I don’t believe in the death penalty because not only is it immoral and extremely expensive to keep inmates on death row for decades until they exhaust appeal options, it does not deter violent crime.

I don't believe in capital punishment either. I DO believe in life sentences for violent, heinous crines like rape, murder, sexual abuse/torture, serial killings, etc. Many perpetrators of crimes were victims of abuse. That does not mean they are allowed to kill and/or torture others without a life changing punishment. Those who are murdered are gone forever and many of them at very young ages. Those who are molested, tortured, and/or raped are never the same afterwards. They are the innocents who have society's sympathy.

In most of the United States, a life sentence usually means a person in prison for 15 years with the chance for parole. Very rarely are life sentences imposed with no end.

The brothers have already served double the average length.

While I am glad you do not support the death penalty, I don’t think your mentality of lock them up forever and throw away the key is going to prevent cycles of abuse. Yes they did wrong and have served more than two average life sentences. It is time for mercy.

They killed two people so maybe they should get double the time. 15 years doesn’t seem like enough when a murderer snuffs out a life if someone who didn’t deserve it and had many years in front of them. How is that justice for a victim or their family? Your bleeding heart can’t spare a thought for the victims? Only the perpetrators?

Doesn’t the family support Lyle and Erik? To them, justice would be setting the brothers free.

Exactly. The vast majority of their family want them free.

Hope to God that the PP who keeps reiterating “they are murderers” (with no accounting for the horrific abuse by their father, long sentences already served and consistent good behavior) is NOT working in the judicial system or law enforcement.

This mentality perpetuates cycles of abuse and violence. Norway which has a very humane criminal judicial and incarceration system has low recidivism rates . (Recidivism is the tendency of a person to repeat a criminal offense after experiencing jail time and being trained to understand and stop criminal behaviors). Norway has a recidivism rate of 20% while the US has a rate of 76.6%.

There is So much evidence that humane justice and jail systems contribute to lower rates of societal violence and reoffending.

The brothers have served more than double average life sentences, exhibited good behavior in jail for 35 years, provided evidence to back up their allegations of long term sexual and psychological abuse at hands of father and shown remorse for their actions.

The punitive minded “lock em up forever and throw away the keys” Approach serves no one well.

Average life sentence for what crimes? Killing one person? Or two?

No End In Sight: America’s Enduring Reliance on Life Sentences
By Ashley Nellis, Ph.D.
February 17, 2021

https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/no-end-in-sight-americas-enduring-reliance-on-life-sentences/

In the United States, more than 200,000 people are serving life sentences – one out of every seven in prison.

Before America’s era of mass incarceration took hold in the early 1970s, the number of individuals in prison was less than 200,000. Today, it’s 1.4 million; and more than 200,000 people are serving life sentences – one out of every seven in prison. More people are sentenced to life in prison in America than there were people in prison serving any sentence in 1970.

Nearly five times the number of people are now serving life sentences in the United States as were in 1984, a rate of growth that has outpaced even the sharp expansion of the overall prison population during this period.

The now commonplace use of life imprisonment contradicts research on effective public safety strategies, exacerbates already extreme racial injustices in the criminal justice system, and exemplifies the egregious consequences of mass incarceration

That hardly answer the question. I don’t care how many are serving life sentences I’d like to know what their crimes were. Can guarantee these aren’t good people. I’ll spare my sympathy for the victims.

The victims were also criminals in this case - and were legally responsible for protecting their boys who they failed in the worse possible ways :


Keep trying to act as if it is black and white and as if your punitive mind set helps prevent cycle of abuse: but please know your mind set does more harm than good.

The black and white thinking is “they’ve served long enough!” Says who?

Not the popular demand for ending their jailed time takes into account :
1. Length of time already served (>average for life sentence)
2. Good behavior over 35 years
3. Parents were their abusers and enabler of abuse
4. Remorse
5. Using their relative advantages compared to rest of prison population to help their peers

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Anonymous wrote:As a person who was horribly abused, in a big fancy house, by parents who were extremely well respected and appeared very normal to everyone outside of the family—I don’t doubt abuse for one second with murder of parents.

Occum’s razor — they were pushed to the edge by abuse? Or so spoiled they shot their parents multiple times at close range with a shotgun? I’m not saying they aren’t sociopaths; I’m saying even if they are it is highly unlikely they’d kill because they are spoiled.

They didn’t seem particularly remorseful. Spending money and having a good old time on their ill gotten gains.

What does that have to do with anything? They should feel remorse for having killed the people who made their life hell?

And they spent a bunch of money? So what, everyone in Beverly Hills spends a bunch of money.

It’s not ok to kill people and spend their money. Even Gypsy Rose Blanchard got 10 years and she didn’t even murder her mom herself. Not sure what kind of lenience people think the Menendez brothers would get for their crime. You can’t just kill people who did you wrong.

They’ve already served 30 years. Don’t act like a punishment has not already been handed out.

They killed their parents. They are not judge and jury.

30 years is not enough.

What an ignorant viewpoint - thank god most of society has moved on from such contextless compassionless blanket judgements ..,

Maybe fast easy Deaths are not enough for fathers who sexually, psychologically and emotionally abuse their sons and mothers who hide/ enable the abuse. Life time sentences in maximum security jails would have been better for them.

So abusers, rapists, and murderers should be sentenced leniently if they were abused as children?

If you call 30 years lenient - it obviously should be taken into account yes. And relevant therapies required while
In jail.
.

But no they should not get off Scott free. The M brothers have already served 30 years.

I don't believe in capital punishment but have no words for someone who thinks like you that 30 years is enough for murder. Can't imagine what you think is suitable for child molesters, rapists, and serial killers.

Americans have become numb to these incredibly long prison sentences and act like it is not enough. Try to imagine losing even ONE year of your own life sitting in prison. It is an enormous life changing punishment. 35 years is pretty much impossible to comprehend.

Plus one.

Especially when the perps were sexually and psychologically abused by their father their entire childhood and afraid that he was going to kill them after threats that they were going to expose his abuse. These are mitigating circumstances.

Since PP brought up the death penalty -
I don’t believe in the death penalty because not only is it immoral and extremely expensive to keep inmates on death row for decades until they exhaust appeal options, it does not deter violent crime.

I don't believe in capital punishment either. I DO believe in life sentences for violent, heinous crines like rape, murder, sexual abuse/torture, serial killings, etc. Many perpetrators of crimes were victims of abuse. That does not mean they are allowed to kill and/or torture others without a life changing punishment. Those who are murdered are gone forever and many of them at very young ages. Those who are molested, tortured, and/or raped are never the same afterwards. They are the innocents who have society's sympathy.

In most of the United States, a life sentence usually means a person in prison for 15 years with the chance for parole. Very rarely are life sentences imposed with no end.

The brothers have already served double the average length.

While I am glad you do not support the death penalty, I don’t think your mentality of lock them up forever and throw away the key is going to prevent cycles of abuse. Yes they did wrong and have served more than two average life sentences. It is time for mercy.

They killed two people so maybe they should get double the time. 15 years doesn’t seem like enough when a murderer snuffs out a life if someone who didn’t deserve it and had many years in front of them. How is that justice for a victim or their family? Your bleeding heart can’t spare a thought for the victims? Only the perpetrators?

Doesn’t the family support Lyle and Erik? To them, justice would be setting the brothers free.

Exactly. The vast majority of their family want them free.

Hope to God that the PP who keeps reiterating “they are murderers” (with no accounting for the horrific abuse by their father, long sentences already served and consistent good behavior) is NOT working in the judicial system or law enforcement.

This mentality perpetuates cycles of abuse and violence. Norway which has a very humane criminal judicial and incarceration system has low recidivism rates . (Recidivism is the tendency of a person to repeat a criminal offense after experiencing jail time and being trained to understand and stop criminal behaviors). Norway has a recidivism rate of 20% while the US has a rate of 76.6%.

There is So much evidence that humane justice and jail systems contribute to lower rates of societal violence and reoffending.

The brothers have served more than double average life sentences, exhibited good behavior in jail for 35 years, provided evidence to back up their allegations of long term sexual and psychological abuse at hands of father and shown remorse for their actions.

The punitive minded “lock em up forever and throw away the keys” Approach serves no one well.

Average life sentence for what crimes? Killing one person? Or two?

No End In Sight: America’s Enduring Reliance on Life Sentences
By Ashley Nellis, Ph.D.
February 17, 2021

https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/no-end-in-sight-americas-enduring-reliance-on-life-sentences/

In the United States, more than 200,000 people are serving life sentences – one out of every seven in prison.

Before America’s era of mass incarceration took hold in the early 1970s, the number of individuals in prison was less than 200,000. Today, it’s 1.4 million; and more than 200,000 people are serving life sentences – one out of every seven in prison. More people are sentenced to life in prison in America than there were people in prison serving any sentence in 1970.

Nearly five times the number of people are now serving life sentences in the United States as were in 1984, a rate of growth that has outpaced even the sharp expansion of the overall prison population during this period.

The now commonplace use of life imprisonment contradicts research on effective public safety strategies, exacerbates already extreme racial injustices in the criminal justice system, and exemplifies the egregious consequences of mass incarceration

That hardly answer the question. I don’t care how many are serving life sentences I’d like to know what their crimes were. Can guarantee these aren’t good people. I’ll spare my sympathy for the victims.

You are making an emotional decision. Would you rather enjoy your desire for punishment, or would you rather have a system that actually reduces crime? There are a few classes of criminals that cannot be rehabilitated, serial killers for example, but they comprise a small number of offenders.

Being soft on crime doesn’t seem to be working out in many places. Spare us your bleeding heart for criminals. Talk about emotional!

It’s not emotional. It’s based on a multitude of research which clearly demonstrates that rehabilitative correctional systems result in dramatic reductions in overall crime rates and recidivism.

Oh. Is this why we have so many career criminals and repeat offenders?

DP

Complicated but US has mass incarceration system that is not focused on rehabilitation where possible and that is not working well. Obviously there are some people who are criminally insane or sociopaths and need to stay locked up.

In this case, keeping the M brothers locked up serves no one well. Even the warden at their current Donovan Center said he would trust them as his neighbors and to care for his children. They are not threats to society.

[Anonymous]

See WapO article today

Nothing new but lawyers feel the Social time is Right to ask for another trial or sentencing

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Anonymous wrote:See WapO article today

Nothing new but lawyers feel the Social time is Right to ask for another trial or sentencing

It really is a change - despite the DA office being split in opinion on the case.

L.A. DA requests resentencing for Menendez brothers, opening path to release

George Gascón recommended the siblings, who received life in prison for killing their parents despite their claims of abuse, be eligible for parole.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/10/24/menendez-brothers-resentencing-los-angeles/

Gascón’s office will recommend to the court that the brothers receive sentences of 50 years to life with the possibility for parole. Because the brothers were under 26 when the crimes occurred, they would be immediately eligible, Gascón said.

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“If Lyle and Erik’s case were heard today, with the understanding we now have about abuse and [post-traumatic stress disorder], there is no doubt in my mind that their sentencing would have been very different,” Baralt, the niece of José Menendez, said last week.