Why are HRCS so popular? Test scores stink.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:it's not like your kid is going to get to do something more enriching if she finishes the test super early. might as well put in some effort and do your best. For upper grades, PARCC may affect entrance into exam schools.

This is true. PARCC scores will be used as part of the DCPS application school admissions process.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think you shoud look deeper than just FARMS.

ELL/Special Ed/Economically Disadvantaged %s

CMI: 5.5/33.7/22.7
LAMB: 37.7/12.3/24.6
MV: 20.8/7.4/32.9
YY: 5.9/8.3/9.5
ITS: 4.4/12.3/18.3

Oyster: 12.9/12.0/20.8

You just made my point. YY's FARMS rate is the lowest by far--it's in the single digits! All of these other schools have double-digit poverty rates; most of them reach into the 20-30% range. YY also also has some of the lowest ELL and Spec. Ed. rates. Based on those facts, YY should out score all of those schools, including Oyster. Clearly, it does not.

And if the PARCC was administered in Mandarin, this would look different. Maybe that's too complicated for some of you, but the kind of families that choose YY aren't interested in the "teach to the test philosophy" - if we were, our children wouldn't spend half their time in Chinese instead of English.

If the PARCC was administered in Spanish, how would YY students do compared to Oyster? You see where this is going, right? Despite is relative affluence, YY produced unimpressive test scores this year. They were tested in the same language that everyone else received.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think you shoud look deeper than just FARMS.

ELL/Special Ed/Economically Disadvantaged %s

CMI: 5.5/33.7/22.7
LAMB: 37.7/12.3/24.6
MV: 20.8/7.4/32.9
YY: 5.9/8.3/9.5
ITS: 4.4/12.3/18.3

Oyster: 12.9/12.0/20.8

You just made my point. YY's FARMS rate is the lowest by far--it's in the single digits! All of these other schools have double-digit poverty rates; most of them reach into the 20-30% range. YY also also has some of the lowest ELL and Spec. Ed. rates. Based on those facts, YY should out score all of those schools, including Oyster. Clearly, it does not.

And if the PARCC was administered in Mandarin, this would look different. Maybe that's too complicated for some of you, but the kind of families that choose YY aren't interested in the "teach to the test philosophy" - if we were, our children wouldn't spend half their time in Chinese instead of English.

If the PARCC was administered in Spanish, how would YY students do compared to Oyster? You see where this is going, right? Despite is relative affluence, YY produced unimpressive test scores this year. They were tested in the same language that everyone else received.

Can you all give the YY vs. Oyster argument a rest or start a new thread. This is getting really old.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think you shoud look deeper than just FARMS.

ELL/Special Ed/Economically Disadvantaged %s

CMI: 5.5/33.7/22.7
LAMB: 37.7/12.3/24.6
MV: 20.8/7.4/32.9
YY: 5.9/8.3/9.5
ITS: 4.4/12.3/18.3

Oyster: 12.9/12.0/20.8

You just made my point. YY's FARMS rate is the lowest by far--it's in the single digits! All of these other schools have double-digit poverty rates; most of them reach into the 20-30% range. YY also also has some of the lowest ELL and Spec. Ed. rates. Based on those facts, YY should out score all of those schools, including Oyster. Clearly, it does not.

And if the PARCC was administered in Mandarin, this would look different. Maybe that's too complicated for some of you, but the kind of families that choose YY aren't interested in the "teach to the test philosophy" - if we were, our children wouldn't spend half their time in Chinese instead of English.

If the PARCC was administered in Spanish, how would YY students do compared to Oyster? You see where this is going, right? Despite is relative affluence, YY produced unimpressive test scores this year. They were tested in the same language that everyone else received.

It takes at least 4x as long to learn Chinese as Spanish (according to the U.S. State Dept.), and if you don't start as a child you'll never get the tones right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think you shoud look deeper than just FARMS.

ELL/Special Ed/Economically Disadvantaged %s

CMI: 5.5/33.7/22.7
LAMB: 37.7/12.3/24.6
MV: 20.8/7.4/32.9
YY: 5.9/8.3/9.5
ITS: 4.4/12.3/18.3

Oyster: 12.9/12.0/20.8

You just made my point. YY's FARMS rate is the lowest by far--it's in the single digits! All of these other schools have double-digit poverty rates; most of them reach into the 20-30% range. YY also also has some of the lowest ELL and Spec. Ed. rates. Based on those facts, YY should out score all of those schools, including Oyster. Clearly, it does not.

And if the PARCC was administered in Mandarin, this would look different. Maybe that's too complicated for some of you, but the kind of families that choose YY aren't interested in the "teach to the test philosophy" - if we were, our children wouldn't spend half their time in Chinese instead of English.

If the PARCC was administered in Spanish, how would YY students do compared to Oyster? You see where this is going, right? Despite is relative affluence, YY produced unimpressive test scores this year. They were tested in the same language that everyone else received.

It takes at least 4x as long to learn Chinese as Spanish (according to the U.S. State Dept.), and if you don't start as a child you'll never get the tones right.

THE TEST IS IN ENGLISH!!!

[Anonymous]

LOL at the poster who is trolling the YY bashers.

Do any of the other HRCS' have any excuses for their unimpressive scores? Inspired Teaching, perhaps, with their "master teacher" model that has been praised so highly?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. The title of the post was rude and a little inflammatory. I apologize. Poor choice of words. I started this thread, not to pit charter and DCPS but because there seems to be a double standard when it comes to not so stellar test scores from DCPS Title I schools. Take JO Wilson as an example, only because I saw some recent no-so-flattering comments about the school. The test scores are on par with some of these charters. 24% ELA and 35% math. Yet, when someone wanted feedback about the school, everyone jumped on the poster saying it was a terrible school and never to enroll their child there. Why? It seems to have some pretty good programs too. It's not just JO Wilson but you can plug in a lot of DCPS Title I schools that are doing just as well, if not better than these HRCS like Marie Reed, Barnard, Thomson. Yet, when anyone suggests enrolling their child at one of these schools, you get the most negative feedback. Why? And why are the waitlists for these other schools into the hundreds?

Are you new to DC or just an idiot? You can't start a post like this and not expect it to be an us vs them war. People like you are the problem with education in the city. If you want to help, educate about the pros of your school, don't shit on the cons of others.

In what world would a loving parent choose JO Wilson, Marie Reed, Barnard, or Thomson over schools like Two Rivers, Cap City, LAMB, and Yu Ying?

Hmmm. My kid is at Marie Reed. I like him well enough, and I'm not the only Ivy grad parent there. We haven't done the lottery in years. I find the teaching to be quite strong, and we have little faculty turnover. I'd prefer my child to have credentialed teachers with some experience, and maybe a master's degree, as opposed to a TFA newbie with 5 weeks of training. Richard Barth, CEO of KIPP, and his wife, TFA head Wendy Kopp have their 4 kids in a regular, non charter, public school on the Upper West Side of Manhattan, with unionized teachers, most of whom have the master's degrees that NYC Schools require. In my profession, we call that revealed preference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think you shoud look deeper than just FARMS.

ELL/Special Ed/Economically Disadvantaged %s

CMI: 5.5/33.7/22.7
LAMB: 37.7/12.3/24.6
MV: 20.8/7.4/32.9
YY: 5.9/8.3/9.5
ITS: 4.4/12.3/18.3

Oyster: 12.9/12.0/20.8

You just made my point. YY's FARMS rate is the lowest by far--it's in the single digits! All of these other schools have double-digit poverty rates; most of them reach into the 20-30% range. YY also also has some of the lowest ELL and Spec. Ed. rates. Based on those facts, YY should out score all of those schools, including Oyster. Clearly, it does not.

And if the PARCC was administered in Mandarin, this would look different. Maybe that's too complicated for some of you, but the kind of families that choose YY aren't interested in the "teach to the test philosophy" - if we were, our children wouldn't spend half their time in Chinese instead of English.

If the PARCC was administered in Spanish, how would YY students do compared to Oyster? You see where this is going, right? Despite is relative affluence, YY produced unimpressive test scores this year. They were tested in the same language that everyone else received.

It takes at least 4x as long to learn Chinese as Spanish (according to the U.S. State Dept.), and if you don't start as a child you'll never get the tones right.

THE TEST IS IN ENGLISH!!!

This is hard for you. I'll try to help explain, but I can't do anything about you being mentally challenged.

Children in immersion programs spend only half their time in English. So the kids in 4th grade at YY (1/2 time English beginning in K, so 4 full years) have had the same amount of English language instruction as the kids in 2nd at Mann (Pk - 2 only English). Except, the YY kids can also speak and do math in Mandarin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think you shoud look deeper than just FARMS.

ELL/Special Ed/Economically Disadvantaged %s

CMI: 5.5/33.7/22.7
LAMB: 37.7/12.3/24.6
MV: 20.8/7.4/32.9
YY: 5.9/8.3/9.5
ITS: 4.4/12.3/18.3

Oyster: 12.9/12.0/20.8

You just made my point. YY's FARMS rate is the lowest by far--it's in the single digits! All of these other schools have double-digit poverty rates; most of them reach into the 20-30% range. YY also also has some of the lowest ELL and Spec. Ed. rates. Based on those facts, YY should out score all of those schools, including Oyster. Clearly, it does not.

And if the PARCC was administered in Mandarin, this would look different. Maybe that's too complicated for some of you, but the kind of families that choose YY aren't interested in the "teach to the test philosophy" - if we were, our children wouldn't spend half their time in Chinese instead of English.

If the PARCC was administered in Spanish, how would YY students do compared to Oyster? You see where this is going, right? Despite is relative affluence, YY produced unimpressive test scores this year. They were tested in the same language that everyone else received.

It takes at least 4x as long to learn Chinese as Spanish (according to the U.S. State Dept.), and if you don't start as a child you'll never get the tones right.

THE TEST IS IN ENGLISH!!!

This is hard for you. I'll try to help explain, but I can't do anything about you being mentally challenged.

Children in immersion programs spend only half their time in English. So the kids in 4th grade at YY (1/2 time English beginning in K, so 4 full years) have had the same amount of English language instruction as the kids in 2nd at Mann (Pk - 2 only English). Except, the YY kids can also speak and do math in Mandarin.

Do they get mediocre scores in Mandarin, too?

[Anonymous]

15:46 we know.

And kids at LAMB are only spending half their time in English, as they are learning to read and write in both languages. They also do Math in English and Spanish.

So while Spanish may be easier to master than Chinese, they are just as disadvantaged w/r/t PARCC as YY students.

-NP trying to wrap up this tangent

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think you shoud look deeper than just FARMS.

ELL/Special Ed/Economically Disadvantaged %s

CMI: 5.5/33.7/22.7
LAMB: 37.7/12.3/24.6
MV: 20.8/7.4/32.9
YY: 5.9/8.3/9.5
ITS: 4.4/12.3/18.3

Oyster: 12.9/12.0/20.8

You just made my point. YY's FARMS rate is the lowest by far--it's in the single digits! All of these other schools have double-digit poverty rates; most of them reach into the 20-30% range. YY also also has some of the lowest ELL and Spec. Ed. rates. Based on those facts, YY should out score all of those schools, including Oyster. Clearly, it does not.

And if the PARCC was administered in Mandarin, this would look different. Maybe that's too complicated for some of you, but the kind of families that choose YY aren't interested in the "teach to the test philosophy" - if we were, our children wouldn't spend half their time in Chinese instead of English.

If the PARCC was administered in Spanish, how would YY students do compared to Oyster? You see where this is going, right? Despite is relative affluence, YY produced unimpressive test scores this year. They were tested in the same language that everyone else received.

It takes at least 4x as long to learn Chinese as Spanish (according to the U.S. State Dept.), and if you don't start as a child you'll never get the tones right.

THE TEST IS IN ENGLISH!!!

This is hard for you. I'll try to help explain, but I can't do anything about you being mentally challenged.

Children in immersion programs spend only half their time in English. So the kids in 4th grade at YY (1/2 time English beginning in K, so 4 full years) have had the same amount of English language instruction as the kids in 2nd at Mann (Pk - 2 only English). Except, the YY kids can also speak and do math in Mandarin.

Do they get mediocre scores in Mandarin, too?

Actually mine are doing wonderfully. Would you like the name of a Chinese babysitter?

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:15:46 we know.

And kids at LAMB are only spending half their time in English, as they are learning to read and write in both languages. They also do Math in English and Spanish.

So while Spanish may be easier to master than Chinese, they are just as disadvantaged w/r/t PARCC as YY students.

-NP trying to wrap up this tangent

Thanks PP. Oyster students get approximately the same amount of English instruction as YY and Lamb. They also have higher poverty rates than YY...but better test scores.

We have learned one thing though: YY parents are excellent contortionists because they will bend themselves into pretzels to explain those unimpressive scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:15:46 we know.

And kids at LAMB are only spending half their time in English, as they are learning to read and write in both languages. They also do Math in English and Spanish.

So while Spanish may be easier to master than Chinese, they are just as disadvantaged w/r/t PARCC as YY students.

-NP trying to wrap up this tangent

Thanks PP. Oyster students get approximately the same amount of English instruction as YY and Lamb. They also have higher poverty rates than YY...but better test scores.

We have learned one thing though: YY parents are excellent contortionists because they will bend themselves into pretzels to explain those unimpressive scores.

Thanks for your continued input, Oyster parent. You sure are proud of those 60/54 scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven't they spent only half the amount of time in English as all the other children their age? Mandarin and English don't even share an alphabet. The cognitive benefits of a second language have been well established, however it takes until approximately 5th grade for some of that to begin to show up on standardized tests.

Give me a break. Oyster-Adams ELA scores are in the 80s for all grades. My YY kid scored a 5 on ELA last year (we've moved on to a private). The cognitive benefits of a 2nd language don't do a lot for Americans who can't read or write English to a high standard. English instruction at YY isn't too hot, and neither is Mandarin. Knock yourself out at home to compensate and you're "a tiger parent." Things should change.

Sorry, Oyster scores are not in the 80s for any grade, for either math or ELA. Their best scores are for fifth grade 75/56 as compared to YY 5th graders 69/73. Overall OA scores are 60/54, which aint much to write home about either.

We started out looking at white kids scores. Do that for Oyster, do it for Adams, then do it for YY and DCI. Go figure.

YY and DCI scores for AAs are horrifying, given these schools' (low) FARMs rates on the Mandarin track. They beg question why are these kids are studying immersion Chinese at all. Let me beat y'all to the punch, I'm RACIST for asking.