Indiana's Religious Freedom law

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A pizza business in Indiana is all over the news now for saying they would not cater a gay wedding if asked because it is against their religious belief to do so.

They did say they would serve gay people that come there to eat, just refuse to cater at a gay wedding.

But people who don't like what they said are naturally going to twist it make it even worse in their minds and are outraged that they don't serve gays period. Listen up, that is not what they said libtards. Be mad at their unwillingness to cater if you must, but don't make out like they said more than that.

I'm not religious but I can understand their not wanting to cater a gay wedding. I think it's a stupid part of the Bible (like many parts of the Bible obviously are) but they strongly believe the Bible is the word of God. But it's their belief and it's their right to believe in it.

And get this, there are already threats of burning the place down appearing. Liberals love to march. Liberals holler for tolerance but it's a one way street with liberals. Tolerance should mean allowing them to follow their belief in this instance and not have to cater.

Reminder, they are willing to serve to gay people. Thati s flying over the heads of some liberals.


But that is not good enough for you, they've got to be willing to cater for a gay wedding also. You've got to have it all. If you don't get it all you'll protest and shut the business down. That's how you roll.

That pizza business is within it's rights to refuse to cater for a gay wedding if it were asked to. So you have no right to shut their business down. Anyone who goes and blocks their doors needs to go jail. And those who threaten them by phone or internet or in any other way need to be tracked down by the police.

But then again the Libtards as you call them have the right not to patronize that business and to tell others not to patromize it. The Libtards also have the right march on public property in front of the store. Kinda like how anti-abortion activists would stand on public property and block the entrance to clinics. Funny how rights work.

I am not a Liberal and I am not Gay, but being "willing to serve" to gay people should be of little comfort to them. Either you want their money or you don't. And as a business owner, it is pretty stupid to come out and say that you will not do an event because it is a gay event.

In any event, the GOP Arkansas governor has it right and I paraphrase "I am not signing this shit until you fix it so that it clearly says that you cannot discriminate."

Yes, they do. But if they really wanted a cake, they'd simply have someone else make it and not specifically target places they know are run by Christians. Bullies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can see the pizza and the bakery places losing everything now. It won't be limited to protesting. Funny how liberals think conservatives are the intolerant ones and can't see their own intolerance. Political correctness running wild.

Yes, shame on me for not tolerating your intolerance.

At least you admit you are intolerant as well. Big step there. Feel better?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is a school employee calling for burning the pizza place down, and painting a big C on the outside of Christians businesses so people can identify which businesses to break the windows out in.

http://rightwingnews.com/democrats/liberal-high-school-coach-tweets-that-christian-business-should-be-burned-down/

And that's EXACTLY my point. So while the law is on the baker's side Jeff, the bullies are not on the side of the law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reviews for their pizza quickly filled up with fake bad reviews and filthy words.

Did you know that activist organizations can tweet out thousands of tweets in a few moments, making it look like all these people are outraged, when the office they are coming from has about 10 employees? When Rush was being crucified re: the Fluke case, he had where the messages were coming from thoroughly investigated. Said the vast majority of the 'tweeters', etc were fake.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a school employee calling for burning the pizza place down, and painting a big C on the outside of Christians businesses so people can identify which businesses to break the windows out in.

http://rightwingnews.com/democrats/liberal-high-school-coach-tweets-that-christian-business-should-be-burned-down/

And that's EXACTLY my point. So while the law is on the baker's side Jeff, the bullies are not on the side of the law.

That person has been suspended already. It was a stupid act and was punished appropriately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A pizza business in Indiana is all over the news now for saying they would not cater a gay wedding if asked because it is against their religious belief to do so.

They did say they would serve gay people that come there to eat, just refuse to cater at a gay wedding.

But people who don't like what they said are naturally going to twist it make it even worse in their minds and are outraged that they don't serve gays period. Listen up, that is not what they said libtards. Be mad at their unwillingness to cater if you must, but don't make out like they said more than that.

I'm not religious but I can understand their not wanting to cater a gay wedding. I think it's a stupid part of the Bible (like many parts of the Bible obviously are) but they strongly believe the Bible is the word of God. But it's their belief and it's their right to believe in it.

And get this, there are already threats of burning the place down appearing. Liberals love to march. Liberals holler for tolerance but it's a one way street with liberals. Tolerance should mean allowing them to follow their belief in this instance and not have to cater.

Reminder, they are willing to serve to gay people. Thati s flying over the heads of some liberals.

But that is not good enough for you, they've got to be willing to cater for a gay wedding also. You've got to have it all. If you don't get it all you'll protest and shut the business down. That's how you roll.

That pizza business is within it's rights to refuse to cater for a gay wedding if it were asked to. So you have no right to shut their business down. Anyone who goes and blocks their doors needs to go jail. And those who threaten them by phone or internet or in any other way need to be tracked down by the police.

Again, bullies. If they really cared about actually having a place to have a wedding, get a wedding cake, etc, they would simply move onto the same place. But that's to the focus. The focus is to isolate and target.

PP here - that's move onto the NEXT place

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure they do. Otherwise they would they would not be essentially crucifying Christians for exercising their religious rights. Again, the Oregon bakery did not turn down the business of the gay couple. They shopped there previously and were never turned down. They were only turned down when asked for a specialty item for their wedding. The gay bakery that turned down the Christian baker wanting an anti-gay cake did the exact same thing. You just feel that their message was more hateful. You know DAMN well that if a gay baker in Oregon turned down a cake for a patron that said "Gay Marriage Is Wrong", the lefties like you would be all over it as a hateful message. And the courts would likely agree with you. That's the double-standard today. The court in Oregon, in my opinion was wrong in their decision.

The big difference is that the Oregon bakery was asked to provide the exact same cake -- a wedding cake -- but it refused only when the couple getting married was a lesbian couple. So it's clear there was a double standard at work. In your "gay baker" hypothetical, the situation is lots murkier because you're talking about an individualized message on the cake ("gay marriage is wrong"). I address this situation on the other thread at page 6 at 6:29 (http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/75/460001.page). If your "gay baker" hypothetical was a true apples-to-apples parallel -- where the gay baker simply refused to serve any cake at all to the Christian buyer -- I'd totally agree with you that the gay baker would be violating the anti-discrimination law.

You are simply picking and choosing what you like and what you don't like The cakes in both cases are the exact same cakes. So either both bakeries follow the rules or neither. Both bakeries were willing to serve both patrons. It was the special orders that were the problem. Directly parallel.

Really? Show me where the Oregon bakery was asked to make a cake with the message "support gap marriage" written on it. I've read several articles now, and haven't seen anything suggesting that.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a school employee calling for burning the pizza place down, and painting a big C on the outside of Christians businesses so people can identify which businesses to break the windows out in.

http://rightwingnews.com/democrats/liberal-high-school-coach-tweets-that-christian-business-should-be-burned-down/

And that's EXACTLY my point. So while the law is on the baker's side Jeff, the bullies are not on the side of the law.

That person has been suspended already. It was a stupid act and was punished appropriately.

Which person?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure they do. Otherwise they would they would not be essentially crucifying Christians for exercising their religious rights. Again, the Oregon bakery did not turn down the business of the gay couple. They shopped there previously and were never turned down. They were only turned down when asked for a specialty item for their wedding. The gay bakery that turned down the Christian baker wanting an anti-gay cake did the exact same thing. You just feel that their message was more hateful. You know DAMN well that if a gay baker in Oregon turned down a cake for a patron that said "Gay Marriage Is Wrong", the lefties like you would be all over it as a hateful message. And the courts would likely agree with you. That's the double-standard today. The court in Oregon, in my opinion was wrong in their decision.

The big difference is that the Oregon bakery was asked to provide the exact same cake -- a wedding cake -- but it refused only when the couple getting married was a lesbian couple. So it's clear there was a double standard at work. In your "gay baker" hypothetical, the situation is lots murkier because you're talking about an individualized message on the cake ("gay marriage is wrong"). I address this situation on the other thread at page 6 at 6:29 (http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/75/460001.page). If your "gay baker" hypothetical was a true apples-to-apples parallel -- where the gay baker simply refused to serve any cake at all to the Christian buyer -- I'd totally agree with you that the gay baker would be violating the anti-discrimination law.

You are simply picking and choosing what you like and what you don't like The cakes in both cases are the exact same cakes. So either both bakeries follow the rules or neither. Both bakeries were willing to serve both patrons. It was the special orders that were the problem. Directly parallel.

Really? Show me where the Oregon bakery was asked to make a cake with the message "support gap marriage" written on it. I've read several articles now, and haven't seen anything suggesting that.

Isn't baking a cake specifically for a gay wedding, supporting gay marriage? In the eyes of the Christian it is. See, that's the thing about religious freedom. You don't get to tell Christians how to believe. If you want that, then they get to tell you how to believe too. And that means you have to make a cake that says that you don't support gay marriage for a Christian event. That's called true equality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can see the pizza and the bakery places losing everything now. It won't be limited to protesting. Funny how liberals think conservatives are the intolerant ones and can't see their own intolerance. Political correctness running wild.

It would be their own fault. Not too smart for a small business owner turn away money.

But your premise goes against human nature. You want Gay and Gay-friendly people to spend their hard earned money and support a business that is philosophically opposed to them and has publicly said so. They will lose everything because a large segment of their customer base may want to go to the more inclusive pizza parlor down the street - and that is THEIR right.

Yes, if LOCALS choose not to patronize the, that is their right. When the full weight of activism brings hateful shit down on them due to the media machine, that's called intolerance.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a school employee calling for burning the pizza place down, and painting a big C on the outside of Christians businesses so people can identify which businesses to break the windows out in.

http://rightwingnews.com/democrats/liberal-high-school-coach-tweets-that-christian-business-should-be-burned-down/

And that's EXACTLY my point. So while the law is on the baker's side Jeff, the bullies are not on the side of the law.

That person has been suspended already. It was a stupid act and was punished appropriately.

Which person?

The person who tweeted about burning down the restaurant.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a school employee calling for burning the pizza place down, and painting a big C on the outside of Christians businesses so people can identify which businesses to break the windows out in.

http://rightwingnews.com/democrats/liberal-high-school-coach-tweets-that-christian-business-should-be-burned-down/

And that's EXACTLY my point. So while the law is on the baker's side Jeff, the bullies are not on the side of the law.

That person has been suspended already. It was a stupid act and was punished appropriately.

I understand now. I thought you meant the above poster. Punished appropriately? A suspension? Nope. This person teaches in a school. When they fire her outright, let me know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure they do. Otherwise they would they would not be essentially crucifying Christians for exercising their religious rights. Again, the Oregon bakery did not turn down the business of the gay couple. They shopped there previously and were never turned down. They were only turned down when asked for a specialty item for their wedding. The gay bakery that turned down the Christian baker wanting an anti-gay cake did the exact same thing. You just feel that their message was more hateful. You know DAMN well that if a gay baker in Oregon turned down a cake for a patron that said "Gay Marriage Is Wrong", the lefties like you would be all over it as a hateful message. And the courts would likely agree with you. That's the double-standard today. The court in Oregon, in my opinion was wrong in their decision.

The big difference is that the Oregon bakery was asked to provide the exact same cake -- a wedding cake -- but it refused only when the couple getting married was a lesbian couple. So it's clear there was a double standard at work. In your "gay baker" hypothetical, the situation is lots murkier because you're talking about an individualized message on the cake ("gay marriage is wrong"). I address this situation on the other thread at page 6 at 6:29 (http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/75/460001.page). If your "gay baker" hypothetical was a true apples-to-apples parallel -- where the gay baker simply refused to serve any cake at all to the Christian buyer -- I'd totally agree with you that the gay baker would be violating the anti-discrimination law.

You are simply picking and choosing what you like and what you don't like The cakes in both cases are the exact same cakes. So either both bakeries follow the rules or neither. Both bakeries were willing to serve both patrons. It was the special orders that were the problem. Directly parallel.

Really? Show me where the Oregon bakery was asked to make a cake with the message "support gap marriage" written on it. I've read several articles now, and haven't seen anything suggesting that.

Isn't baking a cake specifically for a gay wedding, supporting gay marriage? In the eyes of the Christian it is. See, that's the thing about religious freedom. You don't get to tell Christians how to believe. If you want that, then they get to tell you how to believe too. And that means you have to make a cake that says that you don't support gay marriage for a Christian event. That's called true equality.

This is exactly what I addressed in my prior post. If you're going to bake wedding cakes (not "message cakes"), you cannot refuse to sell them based on the race, religion, national origin, or (in Oregon) the sexual orientation of your customer. If it's a "message cake," the situation gets murkier.

[Anonymous]

17:06 again. I feel like the religious conservative argument here boils down to this: "My sincerely held belief should excuse me from having to follow any laws to the contrary." Is that what you're really saying here?

If so, I can certainly empathize. There are many laws and requirements in society that run counter to my sincerely held beliefs. But for better or worse (I suspect better), our society simply doesn't allow people to pick and choose which laws they want to follow based on their beliefs, no matter how sincerely held.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure they do. Otherwise they would they would not be essentially crucifying Christians for exercising their religious rights. Again, the Oregon bakery did not turn down the business of the gay couple. They shopped there previously and were never turned down. They were only turned down when asked for a specialty item for their wedding. The gay bakery that turned down the Christian baker wanting an anti-gay cake did the exact same thing. You just feel that their message was more hateful. You know DAMN well that if a gay baker in Oregon turned down a cake for a patron that said "Gay Marriage Is Wrong", the lefties like you would be all over it as a hateful message. And the courts would likely agree with you. That's the double-standard today. The court in Oregon, in my opinion was wrong in their decision.

The big difference is that the Oregon bakery was asked to provide the exact same cake -- a wedding cake -- but it refused only when the couple getting married was a lesbian couple. So it's clear there was a double standard at work. In your "gay baker" hypothetical, the situation is lots murkier because you're talking about an individualized message on the cake ("gay marriage is wrong"). I address this situation on the other thread at page 6 at 6:29 (http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/75/460001.page). If your "gay baker" hypothetical was a true apples-to-apples parallel -- where the gay baker simply refused to serve any cake at all to the Christian buyer -- I'd totally agree with you that the gay baker would be violating the anti-discrimination law.

You are simply picking and choosing what you like and what you don't like The cakes in both cases are the exact same cakes. So either both bakeries follow the rules or neither. Both bakeries were willing to serve both patrons. It was the special orders that were the problem. Directly parallel.

Really? Show me where the Oregon bakery was asked to make a cake with the message "support gap marriage" written on it. I've read several articles now, and haven't seen anything suggesting that.

Isn't baking a cake specifically for a gay wedding, supporting gay marriage? In the eyes of the Christian it is. See, that's the thing about religious freedom. You don't get to tell Christians how to believe. If you want that, then they get to tell you how to believe too. And that means you have to make a cake that says that you don't support gay marriage for a Christian event. That's called true equality.

Is baking a cake for a Muslim wedding supporting Islam? In the eyes of this Christian, it is not.

And btw I sincerely doubt they made the baker write "I am the baker and I support gay marriage" on the cake. Have you ever even seen writing on a wedding cake? It's all fondant and flowers. Hardly a political statement.