Family life sucks

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Anonymous wrote:Do most women want to stay at home after having kids? I don't think they do. I personally would like to work 7 hour days after having kids (instead of 8.5). That would be ideal for me, and you could cut my salary by that same amount. I liked having 12 weeks paid maternity leave and then returning to work.

I see the stats in newspapers on maternity leave, but it doesn't mesh with what I see first hand. All of my girl friends have either had paid maternity leave through work, or paid through a work STD policy, or they used their own annual and sick leave (what I did). Career jobs do all have maternity leave or STD policies for birth.

Nope. Not true in the us. There are plenty of “career” jobs that don’t have paid parental leave.

I believe we are talking about maternity leave, not the heyday over-hiring over-compensating days of 2021 parental leave perks. Those peeps are first for layoffs right now anyhow.

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Anonymous wrote:Do most women want to stay at home after having kids? I don't think they do. I personally would like to work 7 hour days after having kids (instead of 8.5). That would be ideal for me, and you could cut my salary by that same amount. I liked having 12 weeks paid maternity leave and then returning to work.

I see the stats in newspapers on maternity leave, but it doesn't mesh with what I see first hand. All of my girl friends have either had paid maternity leave through work, or paid through a work STD policy, or they used their own annual and sick leave (what I did). Career jobs do all have maternity leave or STD policies for birth.

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Everyone with a professional salaried job gets 12 weeks paid by employer FMLA leave, must work there over 12 mos to qualify.

Hi. This is wrong. If your employer has fewer than 50 employees AT YOUR WORK SITE (or within 75 miles) you are not eligible for FMLA. While I get paid parental leave, I have no job protection because we have fewer than 50 employees in DC (but hundreds nationwide).

Correct. What about it? Your employees can’t hold your small business ransom.


Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?

Are these even high value, skilled roles? Because the more easily replaceable you are, the less you’re going to make at the office or on leave.


Go work somewhere else if that bothers you.

What small business? My employer has over 1,000 employees nationwide. The HQ just happens to be in a different city.

Women are severely underrepresented, particularly in leadership, in my industry.

I don’t have any job protection if I have a baby.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to stay with my sister for a week to help out as she just had her second child. I don’t have any kids yet, but honestly it seemed like her life is hellish. As is a lot of my friends in the same phase of life. They have high friction relationships with their partners, are trying to juggle too much on their own, and are squeezed financially.

It made me wonder if there’s something wrong with how we do the family thing America. Is there a better way? Or is this just life for a lot people with kids?

Didn’t you have fun playing with the cute toddler or holding the sleepy newborn? That’s the best! And let your sister sleep or run some adult errands.

You were there for a whole week?! Wow, how generous of you and your vacation days OP!

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Anonymous wrote:Do most women want to stay at home after having kids? I don't think they do. I personally would like to work 7 hour days after having kids (instead of 8.5). That would be ideal for me, and you could cut my salary by that same amount. I liked having 12 weeks paid maternity leave and then returning to work.

I see the stats in newspapers on maternity leave, but it doesn't mesh with what I see first hand. All of my girl friends have either had paid maternity leave through work, or paid through a work STD policy, or they used their own annual and sick leave (what I did). Career jobs do all have maternity leave or STD policies for birth.

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Everyone with a professional salaried job gets 12 weeks paid by employer FMLA leave, must work there over 12 mos to qualify.

Hi. This is wrong. If your employer has fewer than 50 employees AT YOUR WORK SITE (or within 75 miles) you are not eligible for FMLA. While I get paid parental leave, I have no job protection because we have fewer than 50 employees in DC (but hundreds nationwide).

Correct. What about it? Your employees can’t hold your small business ransom.


Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?

Are these even high value, skilled roles? Because the more easily replaceable you are, the less you’re going to make at the office or on leave.


Go work somewhere else if that bothers you.

What small business? My employer has over 1,000 employees nationwide. The HQ just happens to be in a different city.

Women are severely underrepresented, particularly in leadership, in my industry.

I don’t have any job protection if I have a baby.

You mean b/c everyone is a remote worker?

Is that why FMLA doesn’t apply? Because clearly you’re over 50 FTEs.

Cut to the point PP. Are you an unskilled wage worker

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Anonymous wrote:Np I have friends overseas. The pay isn’t 100% of your salary on maternity leave (and their pay is already lower). So once they have a baby, their salaries take a big hit. They can’t return to work earlier because it’s stigmatized and daycare don’t take babies before 1 (one friend mentioned before 3 but idk if that’s true). Once kids are school aged, they have the same issues that moms have here where school ends at 3 but work ends at 5, however aftercare’s aren’t plentiful. Many stick to one kid for financial and logistical reasons. My Norwegian friends own their own condo, but it’s a 2 bedroom. They only had one kid for space reasons. I’m sure none of those reasons are insurmountable for people who really want kids but maternity leave isn’t this panacea that it’s purported to be.

I'm sure you understand that it varies by country. In Norway, the pay is 80%. For one year of parental leave split between two parents. Their pay takes a 20% hit but they don't have to do any work, and their jobs are protected.

Do you think things work better in the U.S., where there are 0 weeks of mandated paid parental leave for either parent? And only 40% of Americans have access to unpaid leave under FMLA? Do you think that's encouraging people to have babies more than 80% paid leave for a year?

And I ask again, why are we as a society okay with only women taking a salary hit for having children? Why shouldn't parents bear equal risk in bringing children into the world?

If your solution is to fund parental leave 100% of salary instead of 80% of salary, I'm all for it. But I strongly suspect that's not what you're suggesting.

The max parental leave amount is $1,538 a week in Norway. It’s 80% if you have a lower wage job in Norway. Stop being misleading.

Wages aren't comparable in the US and Norway. Norwegians pay a maximum of $300 in a healthcare costs (free for minors and pregnant women), have free higher education, have highly subsidized childcare (costs about $115/mo), and get a monthly cash benefit for all children under the age of 18 to offset the cost of having children (with an extra supplement for infants and single parents).

Where are you getting your information and pls check the sliding scale. Only low income workers get that and they have to have individually paid into the system several years. You don’t just show up pregnant and your kid gets ER free delivery, snap and Medicaid like here.

Also, if you’re going to throw around “cost” data, you need to include what the employers or taxpayers are paying per month, not just the employee.
United Nations data has a good breakdown they release every few years.

I don't care what employers pay per month. I care about what ordinary citizens are paying.

And before you melt down, Norway literally has higher GDP per capita than the U.S. They're plenty productive.

You still don’t understand SWF work do you?
Nor have you event been to Norway, nor have any friends there.

But hey, the generic ChatGPT links and studies out of context suit you just fine. I bet you even call that “research”.

Yeah NIH and OECD studies are whack! Yes, I know how the SWF works. If you’re now trying to pivot and say Norway’s policy can only be pulled off because of that, you’re wrong. Numerous countries without an equivalent have similar policies. And the United States is wealthier overall.

Do we need to increase taxes to pay for this in the U.S.? Definitely. That’s okay! More taxes but healthcare at a tenth of price, childcare at a quarter of the cost, and college for free is a very reasonable trade off.

And fwiw, I’m in the highest tax bracket and would benefit the least from such policies. Part of why I’m passionate about parental leave is because my employer offers 22 weeks paid. Everyone should get that.

Exactly! Norway and USA are so similar in everything - size, demographics, races, religions, marriage rates, education levels, literacy, incarceration rates, generational welfare recipients, climate, university entrance exam systems, diet, job track systems, language, health treatments, etc.

We’re practically the same! They just get free everything like PP said! Life must be so easy there, you can do anything you want.

How is it that 95% of countries and every industrialized nation has paid parental leave except the United States, we have people acting like paid parental leave is the completely unworkable, socialist policy.

Sure jack up the tax rates in ordinary income and fund someone else’s paid maternity leave for $40k a kid.

You do understand that those countries fund it via sales tax and income tax.

A few have a mix of employer and taxpayers funding it.

Call your congressman asap! Get that tax on the docket!

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Anonymous wrote:Do most women want to stay at home after having kids? I don't think they do. I personally would like to work 7 hour days after having kids (instead of 8.5). That would be ideal for me, and you could cut my salary by that same amount. I liked having 12 weeks paid maternity leave and then returning to work.

I see the stats in newspapers on maternity leave, but it doesn't mesh with what I see first hand. All of my girl friends have either had paid maternity leave through work, or paid through a work STD policy, or they used their own annual and sick leave (what I did). Career jobs do all have maternity leave or STD policies for birth.

Correct

Everyone with a professional salaried job gets 12 weeks paid by employer FMLA leave, must work there over 12 mos to qualify.

Hi. This is wrong. If your employer has fewer than 50 employees AT YOUR WORK SITE (or within 75 miles) you are not eligible for FMLA. While I get paid parental leave, I have no job protection because we have fewer than 50 employees in DC (but hundreds nationwide).

Correct. What about it? Your employees can’t hold your small business ransom.


Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?

Are these even high value, skilled roles? Because the more easily replaceable you are, the less you’re going to make at the office or on leave.


Go work somewhere else if that bothers you.

What small business? My employer has over 1,000 employees nationwide. The HQ just happens to be in a different city.

Women are severely underrepresented, particularly in leadership, in my industry.

I don’t have any job protection if I have a baby.

You mean b/c everyone is a remote worker?

Is that why FMLA doesn’t apply? Because clearly you’re over 50 FTEs.

Cut to the point PP. Are you an unskilled wage worker

Dude, I am a literal in-office biglaw attorney making over 600k/yr, but I’m sure you’ll somehow use that to disparage.

You are not eligible for FMLA unless you work in a location where your employer employs at least 50 employees within a 75 miles radius. My office is a satellite office, and we don’t meet that cut off. The HQ is New York. So no, I don’t work for a small business. I also still have no job protection if I have a baby or get seriously ill, even though my employer provides paid leave.

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Anonymous wrote:Do most women want to stay at home after having kids? I don't think they do. I personally would like to work 7 hour days after having kids (instead of 8.5). That would be ideal for me, and you could cut my salary by that same amount. I liked having 12 weeks paid maternity leave and then returning to work.

I see the stats in newspapers on maternity leave, but it doesn't mesh with what I see first hand. All of my girl friends have either had paid maternity leave through work, or paid through a work STD policy, or they used their own annual and sick leave (what I did). Career jobs do all have maternity leave or STD policies for birth.

Correct

Everyone with a professional salaried job gets 12 weeks paid by employer FMLA leave, must work there over 12 mos to qualify.

Hi. This is wrong. If your employer has fewer than 50 employees AT YOUR WORK SITE (or within 75 miles) you are not eligible for FMLA. While I get paid parental leave, I have no job protection because we have fewer than 50 employees in DC (but hundreds nationwide).

Correct. What about it? Your employees can’t hold your small business ransom.


Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?

Are these even high value, skilled roles? Because the more easily replaceable you are, the less you’re going to make at the office or on leave.


Go work somewhere else if that bothers you.

What small business? My employer has over 1,000 employees nationwide. The HQ just happens to be in a different city.

Women are severely underrepresented, particularly in leadership, in my industry.

I don’t have any job protection if I have a baby.

Stop the fake drama. In practice:

Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?

Are these even high value, skilled roles?

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Anonymous wrote:Do most women want to stay at home after having kids? I don't think they do. I personally would like to work 7 hour days after having kids (instead of 8.5). That would be ideal for me, and you could cut my salary by that same amount. I liked having 12 weeks paid maternity leave and then returning to work.

I see the stats in newspapers on maternity leave, but it doesn't mesh with what I see first hand. All of my girl friends have either had paid maternity leave through work, or paid through a work STD policy, or they used their own annual and sick leave (what I did). Career jobs do all have maternity leave or STD policies for birth.

Correct

Everyone with a professional salaried job gets 12 weeks paid by employer FMLA leave, must work there over 12 mos to qualify.

Hi. This is wrong. If your employer has fewer than 50 employees AT YOUR WORK SITE (or within 75 miles) you are not eligible for FMLA. While I get paid parental leave, I have no job protection because we have fewer than 50 employees in DC (but hundreds nationwide).

Correct. What about it? Your employees can’t hold your small business ransom.


Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?

Are these even high value, skilled roles? Because the more easily replaceable you are, the less you’re going to make at the office or on leave.


Go work somewhere else if that bothers you.

What small business? My employer has over 1,000 employees nationwide. The HQ just happens to be in a different city.

Women are severely underrepresented, particularly in leadership, in my industry.

I don’t have any job protection if I have a baby.

You mean b/c everyone is a remote worker?

Is that why FMLA doesn’t apply? Because clearly you’re over 50 FTEs.

Cut to the point PP. Are you an unskilled wage worker

Dude, I am a literal in-office biglaw attorney making over 600k/yr, but I’m sure you’ll somehow use that to disparage.

You are not eligible for FMLA unless you work in a location where your employer employs at least 50 employees within a 75 miles radius. My office is a satellite office, and we don’t meet that cut off. The HQ is New York. So no, I don’t work for a small business. I also still have no job protection if I have a baby or get seriously ill, even though my employer provides paid leave.

Time to answer the questions drama llama

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Anonymous wrote:Np I have friends overseas. The pay isn’t 100% of your salary on maternity leave (and their pay is already lower). So once they have a baby, their salaries take a big hit. They can’t return to work earlier because it’s stigmatized and daycare don’t take babies before 1 (one friend mentioned before 3 but idk if that’s true). Once kids are school aged, they have the same issues that moms have here where school ends at 3 but work ends at 5, however aftercare’s aren’t plentiful. Many stick to one kid for financial and logistical reasons. My Norwegian friends own their own condo, but it’s a 2 bedroom. They only had one kid for space reasons. I’m sure none of those reasons are insurmountable for people who really want kids but maternity leave isn’t this panacea that it’s purported to be.

I'm sure you understand that it varies by country. In Norway, the pay is 80%. For one year of parental leave split between two parents. Their pay takes a 20% hit but they don't have to do any work, and their jobs are protected.

Do you think things work better in the U.S., where there are 0 weeks of mandated paid parental leave for either parent? And only 40% of Americans have access to unpaid leave under FMLA? Do you think that's encouraging people to have babies more than 80% paid leave for a year?

And I ask again, why are we as a society okay with only women taking a salary hit for having children? Why shouldn't parents bear equal risk in bringing children into the world?

If your solution is to fund parental leave 100% of salary instead of 80% of salary, I'm all for it. But I strongly suspect that's not what you're suggesting.

The max parental leave amount is $1,538 a week in Norway. It’s 80% if you have a lower wage job in Norway. Stop being misleading.

Wages aren't comparable in the US and Norway. Norwegians pay a maximum of $300 in a healthcare costs (free for minors and pregnant women), have free higher education, have highly subsidized childcare (costs about $115/mo), and get a monthly cash benefit for all children under the age of 18 to offset the cost of having children (with an extra supplement for infants and single parents).

Where are you getting your information and pls check the sliding scale. Only low income workers get that and they have to have individually paid into the system several years. You don’t just show up pregnant and your kid gets ER free delivery, snap and Medicaid like here.

Also, if you’re going to throw around “cost” data, you need to include what the employers or taxpayers are paying per month, not just the employee.
United Nations data has a good breakdown they release every few years.

I don't care what employers pay per month. I care about what ordinary citizens are paying.

And before you melt down, Norway literally has higher GDP per capita than the U.S. They're plenty productive.

You still don’t understand SWF work do you?
Nor have you event been to Norway, nor have any friends there.

But hey, the generic ChatGPT links and studies out of context suit you just fine. I bet you even call that “research”.

Yeah NIH and OECD studies are whack! Yes, I know how the SWF works. If you’re now trying to pivot and say Norway’s policy can only be pulled off because of that, you’re wrong. Numerous countries without an equivalent have similar policies. And the United States is wealthier overall.

Do we need to increase taxes to pay for this in the U.S.? Definitely. That’s okay! More taxes but healthcare at a tenth of price, childcare at a quarter of the cost, and college for free is a very reasonable trade off.

And fwiw, I’m in the highest tax bracket and would benefit the least from such policies. Part of why I’m passionate about parental leave is because my employer offers 22 weeks paid. Everyone should get that.

Exactly! Norway and USA are so similar in everything - size, demographics, races, religions, marriage rates, education levels, literacy, incarceration rates, generational welfare recipients, climate, university entrance exam systems, diet, job track systems, language, health treatments, etc.

We’re practically the same! They just get free everything like PP said! Life must be so easy there, you can do anything you want.

How is it that 95% of countries and every industrialized nation has paid parental leave except the United States, we have people acting like paid parental leave is the completely unworkable, socialist policy.

Sure jack up the tax rates in ordinary income and fund someone else’s paid maternity leave for $40k a kid.

You do understand that those countries fund it via sales tax and income tax.

A few have a mix of employer and taxpayers funding it.

Call your congressman asap! Get that tax on the docket!

Paid parental leave is a major nationwide priority. Congress hasn’t been able to get it together, but some states have.

No, you saying, “OMG you idiot we have to raise taxes then!!” doesn’t spook me at all. Of course it has to be paid for. I think it’s well worth it.

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Anonymous wrote:Do most women want to stay at home after having kids? I don't think they do. I personally would like to work 7 hour days after having kids (instead of 8.5). That would be ideal for me, and you could cut my salary by that same amount. I liked having 12 weeks paid maternity leave and then returning to work.

I see the stats in newspapers on maternity leave, but it doesn't mesh with what I see first hand. All of my girl friends have either had paid maternity leave through work, or paid through a work STD policy, or they used their own annual and sick leave (what I did). Career jobs do all have maternity leave or STD policies for birth.

Correct

Everyone with a professional salaried job gets 12 weeks paid by employer FMLA leave, must work there over 12 mos to qualify.

Hi. This is wrong. If your employer has fewer than 50 employees AT YOUR WORK SITE (or within 75 miles) you are not eligible for FMLA. While I get paid parental leave, I have no job protection because we have fewer than 50 employees in DC (but hundreds nationwide).

Correct. What about it? Your employees can’t hold your small business ransom.


Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?

Are these even high value, skilled roles? Because the more easily replaceable you are, the less you’re going to make at the office or on leave.


Go work somewhere else if that bothers you.

What small business? My employer has over 1,000 employees nationwide. The HQ just happens to be in a different city.

Women are severely underrepresented, particularly in leadership, in my industry.

I don’t have any job protection if I have a baby.

You mean b/c everyone is a remote worker?

Is that why FMLA doesn’t apply? Because clearly you’re over 50 FTEs.

Cut to the point PP. Are you an unskilled wage worker

Dude, I am a literal in-office biglaw attorney making over 600k/yr, but I’m sure you’ll somehow use that to disparage.

You are not eligible for FMLA unless you work in a location where your employer employs at least 50 employees within a 75 miles radius. My office is a satellite office, and we don’t meet that cut off. The HQ is New York. So no, I don’t work for a small business. I also still have no job protection if I have a baby or get seriously ill, even though my employer provides paid leave.

Time to answer the questions drama llama

What question? And I’m a skilled and in-demand worker? Obviously. I couldn’t command this high of a salary otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:Do most women want to stay at home after having kids? I don't think they do. I personally would like to work 7 hour days after having kids (instead of 8.5). That would be ideal for me, and you could cut my salary by that same amount. I liked having 12 weeks paid maternity leave and then returning to work.

I see the stats in newspapers on maternity leave, but it doesn't mesh with what I see first hand. All of my girl friends have either had paid maternity leave through work, or paid through a work STD policy, or they used their own annual and sick leave (what I did). Career jobs do all have maternity leave or STD policies for birth.

Correct

Everyone with a professional salaried job gets 12 weeks paid by employer FMLA leave, must work there over 12 mos to qualify.

Hi. This is wrong. If your employer has fewer than 50 employees AT YOUR WORK SITE (or within 75 miles) you are not eligible for FMLA. While I get paid parental leave, I have no job protection because we have fewer than 50 employees in DC (but hundreds nationwide).

Correct. What about it? Your employees can’t hold your small business ransom.


Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?

Are these even high value, skilled roles? Because the more easily replaceable you are, the less you’re going to make at the office or on leave.


Go work somewhere else if that bothers you.

What small business? My employer has over 1,000 employees nationwide. The HQ just happens to be in a different city.

Women are severely underrepresented, particularly in leadership, in my industry.

I don’t have any job protection if I have a baby.

You mean b/c everyone is a remote worker?

Is that why FMLA doesn’t apply? Because clearly you’re over 50 FTEs.

Cut to the point PP. Are you an unskilled wage worker

Dude, I am a literal in-office biglaw attorney making over 600k/yr, but I’m sure you’ll somehow use that to disparage.

You are not eligible for FMLA unless you work in a location where your employer employs at least 50 employees within a 75 miles radius. My office is a satellite office, and we don’t meet that cut off. The HQ is New York. So no, I don’t work for a small business. I also still have no job protection if I have a baby or get seriously ill, even though my employer provides paid leave.

Don’t work there then if their paper rules bother you so much.

If you were so amazing you could negotiate whatever you want for leave. Like most adult professionals do with their boss.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why the birth rate is falling.

yep.

Raising kids is hard and expensive. And women are expected to give up way more than men.

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Anonymous wrote:Do most women want to stay at home after having kids? I don't think they do. I personally would like to work 7 hour days after having kids (instead of 8.5). That would be ideal for me, and you could cut my salary by that same amount. I liked having 12 weeks paid maternity leave and then returning to work.

I see the stats in newspapers on maternity leave, but it doesn't mesh with what I see first hand. All of my girl friends have either had paid maternity leave through work, or paid through a work STD policy, or they used their own annual and sick leave (what I did). Career jobs do all have maternity leave or STD policies for birth.

Correct

Everyone with a professional salaried job gets 12 weeks paid by employer FMLA leave, must work there over 12 mos to qualify.

Hi. This is wrong. If your employer has fewer than 50 employees AT YOUR WORK SITE (or within 75 miles) you are not eligible for FMLA. While I get paid parental leave, I have no job protection because we have fewer than 50 employees in DC (but hundreds nationwide).

Correct. What about it? Your employees can’t hold your small business ransom.


Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?

Are these even high value, skilled roles? Because the more easily replaceable you are, the less you’re going to make at the office or on leave.


Go work somewhere else if that bothers you.

What small business? My employer has over 1,000 employees nationwide. The HQ just happens to be in a different city.

Women are severely underrepresented, particularly in leadership, in my industry.

I don’t have any job protection if I have a baby.

Stop the fake drama. In practice:

Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?

Are these even high value, skilled roles?

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In practice:

Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?[

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The answer is likely No, and 12 weeks paid.

So no different. Just a fixated loud mouth.

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Anonymous wrote:Np I have friends overseas. The pay isn’t 100% of your salary on maternity leave (and their pay is already lower). So once they have a baby, their salaries take a big hit. They can’t return to work earlier because it’s stigmatized and daycare don’t take babies before 1 (one friend mentioned before 3 but idk if that’s true). Once kids are school aged, they have the same issues that moms have here where school ends at 3 but work ends at 5, however aftercare’s aren’t plentiful. Many stick to one kid for financial and logistical reasons. My Norwegian friends own their own condo, but it’s a 2 bedroom. They only had one kid for space reasons. I’m sure none of those reasons are insurmountable for people who really want kids but maternity leave isn’t this panacea that it’s purported to be.

I'm sure you understand that it varies by country. In Norway, the pay is 80%. For one year of parental leave split between two parents. Their pay takes a 20% hit but they don't have to do any work, and their jobs are protected.

Do you think things work better in the U.S., where there are 0 weeks of mandated paid parental leave for either parent? And only 40% of Americans have access to unpaid leave under FMLA? Do you think that's encouraging people to have babies more than 80% paid leave for a year?

And I ask again, why are we as a society okay with only women taking a salary hit for having children? Why shouldn't parents bear equal risk in bringing children into the world?

If your solution is to fund parental leave 100% of salary instead of 80% of salary, I'm all for it. But I strongly suspect that's not what you're suggesting.

The max parental leave amount is $1,538 a week in Norway. It’s 80% if you have a lower wage job in Norway. Stop being misleading.

Wages aren't comparable in the US and Norway. Norwegians pay a maximum of $300 in a healthcare costs (free for minors and pregnant women), have free higher education, have highly subsidized childcare (costs about $115/mo), and get a monthly cash benefit for all children under the age of 18 to offset the cost of having children (with an extra supplement for infants and single parents).

Where are you getting your information and pls check the sliding scale. Only low income workers get that and they have to have individually paid into the system several years. You don’t just show up pregnant and your kid gets ER free delivery, snap and Medicaid like here.

Also, if you’re going to throw around “cost” data, you need to include what the employers or taxpayers are paying per month, not just the employee.
United Nations data has a good breakdown they release every few years.

I don't care what employers pay per month. I care about what ordinary citizens are paying.

And before you melt down, Norway literally has higher GDP per capita than the U.S. They're plenty productive.

You still don’t understand SWF work do you?
Nor have you event been to Norway, nor have any friends there.

But hey, the generic ChatGPT links and studies out of context suit you just fine. I bet you even call that “research”.

Yeah NIH and OECD studies are whack! Yes, I know how the SWF works. If you’re now trying to pivot and say Norway’s policy can only be pulled off because of that, you’re wrong. Numerous countries without an equivalent have similar policies. And the United States is wealthier overall.

Do we need to increase taxes to pay for this in the U.S.? Definitely. That’s okay! More taxes but healthcare at a tenth of price, childcare at a quarter of the cost, and college for free is a very reasonable trade off.

And fwiw, I’m in the highest tax bracket and would benefit the least from such policies. Part of why I’m passionate about parental leave is because my employer offers 22 weeks paid. Everyone should get that.

Exactly! Norway and USA are so similar in everything - size, demographics, races, religions, marriage rates, education levels, literacy, incarceration rates, generational welfare recipients, climate, university entrance exam systems, diet, job track systems, language, health treatments, etc.

We’re practically the same! They just get free everything like PP said! Life must be so easy there, you can do anything you want.

How is it that 95% of countries and every industrialized nation has paid parental leave except the United States, we have people acting like paid parental leave is the completely unworkable, socialist policy.

Sure jack up the tax rates in ordinary income and fund someone else’s paid maternity leave for $40k a kid.

You do understand that those countries fund it via sales tax and income tax.

A few have a mix of employer and taxpayers funding it.

Call your congressman asap! Get that tax on the docket!

Paid parental leave is a major nationwide priority. Congress hasn’t been able to get it together, but some states have.

No, you saying, “OMG you idiot we have to raise taxes then!!” doesn’t spook me at all. Of course it has to be paid for. I think it’s well worth it.

Oh yes, with 40% of births out of wedlock and going straight on welfare, I’m sure it is….