Virginia referendum - if you hate MAGA, vote YES (even if your mailing says to vote 'No')

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Anonymous wrote:Last night at dinner I was with a bunch of VA lawyers, government workers, and other professionals. We all feel exactly the same way about this. We instinctively want to vote no, because gerrymandering to align with a party is wrong. However, the world has changed, and since this is for a single election, we are tired of holding ourselves to the higher standard while the other party hasn’t taken the high road in at least ten years. The country is being run by incompetents, and also we haven’t gotten anything passed in years that wasn’t all the democrats aligning with a handful of republicans. We are in a multi-fronted war where the worst kleptocrat we’ve ever seen is being surrounded by grifters and unqualified losers who think destroying democracy is “manly games”. Since this is a temporary measure for the one election, eff Texas, eff the other over-represented red states, and were voting yes with our fingers on our noses.

You can always trust a lawyer to take an ethical stance.

LOL.

I think it is hysterical that pp thinks this will be just temporary. Just one election. Sure. This is a power grab by democrats and there is no way in hell they will willingly give up that power 4 years down the road.

It is also hysterical that pp believes the red states are “over represented.” She no doubt is unaware that blue states were given too many seats following the 2020 census. Nor is she aware of the gerrymandering that has been going on for years in states like Illinois and Massachusetts and New York

Did you have the same objections when Florida took this approach? How about Texas? Of course not. That wasn't a power grab, because . . . reasons.

Of course she didn't object. She doesn't care if Republicans play dirty, but boy howdy will she whine and cry if a Democrat dares to follow suit.

Republicans have never been able to tolerate a fair fight.

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The redistricting after 2030 will start with the skinny gerrymandered districts. Not the regional shared interest ones. Arlington doesn't care more for farm policies than rural VA cares about Metro subsidies for Federal employees.

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Anonymous wrote:NO, no way, no how. It's wrong. Don't give a f on what side of the street you're on, its wrong.

+1 million wrong is wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:The Venn diagram of people who strutted around and bleated "elections have consequences" after Trump won and the people who are whining about Democratic overreach in redistricting is a perfect circle. GMAFB.

That was Obama's line!

That’s why MAGA loves it so much.

That makes absolutely no sense. But remember, without Obama's divisiveness (that line is the perfect example), Trump never gets elected and there is no MAGA. Thanks, Obama!

No, it makes perfect sense. A decade after leaving office and you're still hysterical about having had a black president. I wonder what you have to say about Trump's divisiveness! Wait, never mind, I already know that you love it because "he's telling it like it is," or something.

Funny how the PP never responded to this.

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Anonymous wrote:Last night at dinner I was with a bunch of VA lawyers, government workers, and other professionals. We all feel exactly the same way about this. We instinctively want to vote no, because gerrymandering to align with a party is wrong. However, the world has changed, and since this is for a single election, we are tired of holding ourselves to the higher standard while the other party hasn’t taken the high road in at least ten years. The country is being run by incompetents, and also we haven’t gotten anything passed in years that wasn’t all the democrats aligning with a handful of republicans. We are in a multi-fronted war where the worst kleptocrat we’ve ever seen is being surrounded by grifters and unqualified losers who think destroying democracy is “manly games”. Since this is a temporary measure for the one election, eff Texas, eff the other over-represented red states, and were voting yes with our fingers on our noses.

I agree with this, but the Supreme Court does not. We have to live in the world that exists, not the one that we'd like. I would be thrilled if all partisan gerrymandering were abolished by federal law. How many Republicans have voted for such a bill?

Exactly.

Republicans can STFU. They have proven they are full of shit again and again.

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Anonymous wrote:Last night at dinner I was with a bunch of VA lawyers, government workers, and other professionals. We all feel exactly the same way about this. We instinctively want to vote no, because gerrymandering to align with a party is wrong. However, the world has changed, and since this is for a single election, we are tired of holding ourselves to the higher standard while the other party hasn’t taken the high road in at least ten years. The country is being run by incompetents, and also we haven’t gotten anything passed in years that wasn’t all the democrats aligning with a handful of republicans. We are in a multi-fronted war where the worst kleptocrat we’ve ever seen is being surrounded by grifters and unqualified losers who think destroying democracy is “manly games”. Since this is a temporary measure for the one election, eff Texas, eff the other over-represented red states, and were voting yes with our fingers on our noses.

I agree with this, but the Supreme Court does not. We have to live in the world that exists, not the one that we'd like. I would be thrilled if all partisan gerrymandering were abolished by federal law. How many Republicans have voted for such a bill?

the irony

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Anonymous wrote:It is very simple. Vote yes to disenfranchise most of Virginia. Done.

Thanks for the reminder to say F U to the MAGA trash of VA.

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Anonymous wrote:NO, no way, no how. It's wrong. Don't give a f on what side of the street you're on, its wrong.

+1 million wrong is wrong.

I hope this sockpuppeter puts as much effort into contacting Congressional Republicans and telling them to back the Democrat's proposal to end partisan gerrymandering as she does putting additional zeroes after the plus sign every few posts.

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Anonymous wrote:The Venn diagram of people who strutted around and bleated "elections have consequences" after Trump won and the people who are whining about Democratic overreach in redistricting is a perfect circle. GMAFB.

That was Obama's line!

That’s why MAGA loves it so much.

That makes absolutely no sense. But remember, without Obama's divisiveness (that line is the perfect example), Trump never gets elected and there is no MAGA. Thanks, Obama!

No, it makes perfect sense. A decade after leaving office and you're still hysterical about having had a black president. I wonder what you have to say about Trump's divisiveness! Wait, never mind, I already know that you love it because "he's telling it like it is," or something.

Funny how the PP never responded to this.

There's nothing to respond to. Read your own words. You actually said "Wait, never mind". Remember you somehow already know what I think. You're convinced I'm a racist, MAGA, Trump supporter, so what's the point?

Again, remember that saying about "assume". And you you really should work on your reading comprehension, along with your Shakespeare quotes.

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Anonymous wrote:Last night at dinner I was with a bunch of VA lawyers, government workers, and other professionals. We all feel exactly the same way about this. We instinctively want to vote no, because gerrymandering to align with a party is wrong. However, the world has changed, and since this is for a single election, we are tired of holding ourselves to the higher standard while the other party hasn’t taken the high road in at least ten years. The country is being run by incompetents, and also we haven’t gotten anything passed in years that wasn’t all the democrats aligning with a handful of republicans. We are in a multi-fronted war where the worst kleptocrat we’ve ever seen is being surrounded by grifters and unqualified losers who think destroying democracy is “manly games”. Since this is a temporary measure for the one election, eff Texas, eff the other over-represented red states, and were voting yes with our fingers on our noses.

I agree with this, but the Supreme Court does not. We have to live in the world that exists, not the one that we'd like. I would be thrilled if all partisan gerrymandering were abolished by federal law. How many Republicans have voted for such a bill?

the irony

Republicans love their false reality.

They happily gulp down all of Trump’s lies.

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Anonymous wrote:The Venn diagram of people who strutted around and bleated "elections have consequences" after Trump won and the people who are whining about Democratic overreach in redistricting is a perfect circle. GMAFB.

That was Obama's line!

That’s why MAGA loves it so much.

That makes absolutely no sense. But remember, without Obama's divisiveness (that line is the perfect example), Trump never gets elected and there is no MAGA. Thanks, Obama!

No, it makes perfect sense. A decade after leaving office and you're still hysterical about having had a black president. I wonder what you have to say about Trump's divisiveness! Wait, never mind, I already know that you love it because "he's telling it like it is," or something.

Funny how the PP never responded to this.

There's nothing to respond to. Read your own words. You actually said "Wait, never mind". Remember you somehow already know what I think. You're convinced I'm a racist, MAGA, Trump supporter, so what's the point?

Again, remember that saying about "assume". And you you really should work on your reading comprehension, along with your Shakespeare quotes.

You are making some ASSumptions and confusing posters. I didn’t write any of those comments.

If you thought Obama was “divisive”, please share your thoughts on Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:The Venn diagram of people who strutted around and bleated "elections have consequences" after Trump won and the people who are whining about Democratic overreach in redistricting is a perfect circle. GMAFB.

That was Obama's line!

That’s why MAGA loves it so much.

That makes absolutely no sense. But remember, without Obama's divisiveness (that line is the perfect example), Trump never gets elected and there is no MAGA. Thanks, Obama!

No, it makes perfect sense. A decade after leaving office and you're still hysterical about having had a black president. I wonder what you have to say about Trump's divisiveness! Wait, never mind, I already know that you love it because "he's telling it like it is," or something.

Funny how the PP never responded to this.

There's nothing to respond to. Read your own words. You actually said "Wait, never mind". Remember you somehow already know what I think. You're convinced I'm a racist, MAGA, Trump supporter, so what's the point?

Again, remember that saying about "assume". And you you really should work on your reading comprehension, along with your Shakespeare quotes.

You are making some ASSumptions and confusing posters. I didn’t write any of those comments.

If you thought Obama was “divisive”, please share your thoughts on Trump.

My apologies. I assumed and the old saying proved true.

Trump is obviously very divisive as well. I won't even put that in quotations.

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Well, one thing that is certain imo is that the lines themselves are NOT temporary, and the actual wording does not imply that we will ever go back exactly to current lines. The lines may be slightly adjusted depending on the census of 2030 or when it was but everyone should absolutely expect the general design to remain as is with NoVA stretching out into rural VA in thin slices. The new lawmakers will not give up their seats or new districts.

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Anonymous wrote:All you Democrats kissing the pols' rings...yes this will pass. Elections have consequences and you aren't even thinking about the unintended ones. I voted no. Am an independent who votes blue but hates all political parties.

you just voted to let Trump do whatever he wants

Virginia will have these lines much longer than Trump will be around.

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Anonymous wrote:It's so funny to see Republicans get so infuriated over the fact that Democrats are finally matching the Republican dirty tricks. Republicans were relying on the fact that Democrats are usually spineless and get outplayed, so the willingness of Democrats to fight back was unexpected.

I’m an independent, but these ARE dirty tricks, no matter who is doing them. And the tricks and propaganda are coming from the left this time. I cannot believe the “restore fairness” wording on the actual official ballot.

This is wrong, no matter who is doing it. Vote no.

shut the F up. creating a mailer with Abigail’s picture telling voters to vote no — how is this even legal??

https://virginiaindependentnews.com/elections/anti-redistricting-pac-mailer-falsely-implies-spanberger-opposes-referendum/

Because those, my dear, are her exact words. The quote is accurate.

For reference

This was back before we knew just how far Trump would go unchecked.

It’s 2026. It’s a different world.

OMG. This out of cycle gerrymandering is wrong in Texas, wrong in California, and wrong here. PP, you convinced me to vote No. Partisan hacks are to blame for all this nonsense.

Except it’s too late for TX. They followed Trump’s demand and gerrymandered to give him 5 more seats. VA is just an effort to restore a modicum of balance. It’s easy to say no more gerrymandering once you’ve already gotten the gerrymandering to your advantage done.

You are only thinking about the next election on a national level but what about all future elections in our own state and county?