What is so special about UVA, W&M, VT!?!??

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Anonymous wrote:Entire country is on stolen land.

Not manhattan, we bought it for seashells!

Even Manhattan. The Native Americans thought it was more or less a lease and the land would be returned.

BS.

I am going to need to speak with a Native American Canarsee Tribe chief in 1626 before believing your self-serving and twisted narrative. Can you arrange that?

NYC was purchased fairly. End of story.

And you can prove the Canarsee understood land deeds by going to the Canarsee courthouse and researching legal conveyances from the 15th and 14th centuries.

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Anonymous wrote:A degree from UVA is Ivy-league because UVA is one of the original Public Ivies.

Public Ivies offer the same standard of education as the Ivies, in a public school environment and at a public school cost. These schools are more than just non-Ivies — they're some of the best schools you can attend in the world today.

Just search "best public universities in USA" and you'll find UVA.

Ivy is an athletic league.

There are no public “Ivies.” There are no little “Ivies.” Use of these terms is a symptom of insecurity.

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Louder for the twits in the back. People are laughing behind their backs when they hear them refer to their kids' school as "Public Ivies, Little Ivies," etc.

Public Ivy has been a term used by college counselors since 1985. See Wikipedia. Get a grip and stop heckling ; you look like idiots.

+1. While I wouldn’t go around just saying “my kid goes to a public Ivy,” people who mock the term sound ignorant. It’s been common in the college world for decades.

And it’s been ridiculed the entire time. [b]

I personally love when people capitalize it like it’s a real thing.

. Only by you. No one else cares. It’s been a term in use since 1985 abd has its own wiki page. Go find some other aspect of UzvA to try and tear down. Sorry you are envious.

I went to an ivy and you think I’m envious of public ivies or little or plus?

No, but I think you live in the past.
DP

I'm sorry you didn't get in and that this is still so hard for you.

Lol thanks for confirming that you do, indeed, live in the past.

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Anonymous wrote:W&M is older than several Ivys - founded in 1693, I think.

UVa says founded 1819, but I think classes did not start that year.

VT is much newer, created explicitly to be the land-grant university.

UVA was built by enslaved people. What about W&M (possibly) and VT (maybe too new?)

YES, William & Mary, too. Vt wasn’t established until 1872. However, other schools were built by enslaved people: Brown, Columbia, Barnard, Dartmouth, Barnard, U Penn, Hamilton, Harvard, Harvard Law, Johns Hopkins and Princeton, Rutgers, Furman and Yale. All of these case studies can be found in the wiki article “Slavery at American Colleges and Universities”. Stanford studies also discuss slavery at Oberlin, Emory, and Alabama

Et tu, OBERLIN!!

Seriously

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Anonymous wrote:A degree from UVA is Ivy-league because UVA is one of the original Public Ivies.

Public Ivies offer the same standard of education as the Ivies, in a public school environment and at a public school cost. These schools are more than just non-Ivies — they're some of the best schools you can attend in the world today.

Just search "best public universities in USA" and you'll find UVA.

Ivy is an athletic league.

There are no public “Ivies.” There are no little “Ivies.” Use of these terms is a symptom of insecurity.

+1
Louder for the twits in the back. People are laughing behind their backs when they hear them refer to their kids' school as "Public Ivies, Little Ivies," etc.

Public Ivy has been a term used by college counselors since 1985. See Wikipedia. Get a grip and stop heckling ; you look like idiots.

+1. While I wouldn’t go around just saying “my kid goes to a public Ivy,” people who mock the term sound ignorant. It’s been common in the college world for decades.

And it’s been ridiculed the entire time. [b]

I personally love when people capitalize it like it’s a real thing.

. Only by you. No one else cares. It’s been a term in use since 1985 abd has its own wiki page. Go find some other aspect of UzvA to try and tear down. Sorry you are envious.

I went to an ivy and you think I’m envious of public ivies or little or plus?

No, but I think you live in the past.
DP

DP. If anyone is living in the past, it’s those who continue to use these terms earnestly and with no sense of self-awareness.

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Anonymous wrote:A degree from UVA is Ivy-league because UVA is one of the original Public Ivies.

Public Ivies offer the same standard of education as the Ivies, in a public school environment and at a public school cost. These schools are more than just non-Ivies — they're some of the best schools you can attend in the world today.

Just search "best public universities in USA" and you'll find UVA.

Ivy is an athletic league.

There are no public “Ivies.” There are no little “Ivies.” Use of these terms is a symptom of insecurity.

+1
Louder for the twits in the back. People are laughing behind their backs when they hear them refer to their kids' school as "Public Ivies, Little Ivies," etc.

Public Ivy has been a term used by college counselors since 1985. See Wikipedia. Get a grip and stop heckling ; you look like idiots.

+1. While I wouldn’t go around just saying “my kid goes to a public Ivy,” people who mock the term sound ignorant. It’s been common in the college world for decades.

And it’s been ridiculed the entire time. [b]

I personally love when people capitalize it like it’s a real thing.

. Only by you. No one else cares. It’s been a term in use since 1985 abd has its own wiki page. Go find some other aspect of UzvA to try and tear down. Sorry you are envious.

I went to an ivy and you think I’m envious of public ivies or little or plus?

No, but I think you live in the past.
DP

I'm sorry you didn't get in and that this is still so hard for you.

Lol thanks for confirming that you do, indeed, live in the past.

DP. The point is that one can think that “public ivy” is a ridiculous term without being “envious” of UVA.

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For us UVA is a great deal. I feel so blessed/lucky for my kid to be able to attend this high quality university, after I was only able to attend a no-name regional one. What is not to love!? Being college grads, makes us parents non first gen, and we are a donut family. Our kids get no bump/financial aid in that area. We count our lucky stars to have moved to VA.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA, VT and W&M represent 50% of the schools south of the Mason-Dixon Line and east of the Mississippi worth attending.

What out of UNC, Wake, W&L, Emory, Georgetown, JHU, Duke, Davidson, USNA, Georgia Tech, Florida, etc. are not worth attending?

Bolded are 2 out of the 3. Inadvertently left USNA out, so not quite 50%. So one still not accounted for.

Vanderbilt?

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Anonymous wrote:For us UVA is a great deal. I feel so blessed/lucky for my kid to be able to attend this high quality university, after I was only able to attend a no-name regional one. What is not to love!? Being college grads, makes us parents non first gen, and we are a donut family. Our kids get no bump/financial aid in that area. We count our lucky stars to have moved to VA.

Same here.

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Anonymous wrote:Entire country is on stolen land.

Not manhattan, we bought it for seashells!

Even Manhattan. The Native Americans thought it was more or less a lease and the land would be returned.

BS.

I am going to need to speak with a Native American Canarsee Tribe chief in 1626 before believing your self-serving and twisted narrative. Can you arrange that?

NYC was purchased fairly. End of story.

And you can prove the Canarsee understood land deeds by going to the Canarsee courthouse and researching legal conveyances from the 15th and 14th centuries.

The time within which they could quiet title in their favor passed some centuries ago. That history is a footnote, of no practical significance or consequence. Real estate transactions now follow modern legal frameworks, and title to land can either be challenged or it cannot. If not, blathering about who used to own it is just so much hot air.

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Anonymous wrote:A degree from UVA is Ivy-league because UVA is one of the original Public Ivies.

Public Ivies offer the same standard of education as the Ivies, in a public school environment and at a public school cost. These schools are more than just non-Ivies — they're some of the best schools you can attend in the world today.

Just search "best public universities in USA" and you'll find UVA.

UVA and W&Mary are fine schools but they do not have the same peer group as ivy+. VT is not anywhere close.
The education is not the same for this reason. Classes cannot progress at the same depth and pace at a school with fewer than a quarter of the student body with top 1% scores, even lower at (VT). versus the ivy+ with half or more of the class with 99%ile sores, 3/4 or more with top 3% scores.
Do the pre-TO comparison and look up the SAT data from years they would have tested.

Using Pre-TO and the %iles at the time:
MIT, Harvard, Princeton, Penn, Yale, Duke, Brown, Stanford, Hopkins, WashU, Vanderbilt have medians around 99th%ile.
Dartmouth, Cornell, Northwestern, Georgetown, Williams, Amherst and Swarthmore are slightly lower ranges with median SAT /act around the 97-98%ile, slightly different but not likely felt significantly as a peer group experience.
Chicago and Columbia did not publish pre-TO data, likely were lower than the top group or they would have published.

UVA and William and Mary show median test scores around 94%ile, top quarter roughly corresponds to just below the median of the top schools. That creates a different peer group from the top two groups.
Virginia Tech has median test scores around the 85%ile. The top quarter of VT corresponds to the median of UVA/WM. VT is a significantly different different peer group from UVA and William and Mary, thus the educational experience will be different.

Peer group matters for teaching: professors know it, deans know it, and top companies and grad/professional schools know it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Entire country is on stolen land.

Not manhattan, we bought it for seashells!

Even Manhattan. The Native Americans thought it was more or less a lease and the land would be returned.

BS.

I am going to need to speak with a Native American Canarsee Tribe chief in 1626 before believing your self-serving and twisted narrative. Can you arrange that?

NYC was purchased fairly. End of story.

And you can prove the Canarsee understood land deeds by going to the Canarsee courthouse and researching legal conveyances from the 15th and 14th centuries.

this thread took a weird turn

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the poster who originally said W&M was pricey for in-state tuition. I still think that. I also didn't say that it was the most expensive school out there or that it wasn't worth it. If one of my kids wanted to go there, I'd happily pay.

Out of curiosity, I looked up Michigan's tuition and fees, which are $18,346. W&M's tuition and fees are $26,456. UVM's tuition and fees are $19,996. All exclusive of housing, of course.

What is peculiar about W&M fees compared to the other VA publics is a $1 284 a semester “auxiliary fee” charge and a $1,204 a semester fee for “intercollegiate athletics” which adds up to $4,084, hence the surcharge over, say, UVA. I asked about that because DD has no interest in “intercollegiate athletics” but they were firm it had to be paid.

Many schools are now passing on the costs of NIL to their students. At least W&M is up front about what it’s for and doesn’t hide it?

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Anonymous wrote:A degree from UVA is Ivy-league because UVA is one of the original Public Ivies.

Public Ivies offer the same standard of education as the Ivies, in a public school environment and at a public school cost. These schools are more than just non-Ivies — they're some of the best schools you can attend in the world today.

Just search "best public universities in USA" and you'll find UVA.

UVA and W&Mary are fine schools but they do not have the same peer group as ivy+. VT is not anywhere close.
The education is not the same for this reason. Classes cannot progress at the same depth and pace at a school with fewer than a quarter of the student body with top 1% scores, even lower at (VT). versus the ivy+ with half or more of the class with 99%ile sores, 3/4 or more with top 3% scores.
Do the pre-TO comparison and look up the SAT data from years they would have tested.

Using Pre-TO and the %iles at the time:
MIT, Harvard, Princeton, Penn, Yale, Duke, Brown, Stanford, Hopkins, WashU, Vanderbilt have medians around 99th%ile.
Dartmouth, Cornell, Northwestern, Georgetown, Williams, Amherst and Swarthmore are slightly lower ranges with median SAT /act around the 97-98%ile, slightly different but not likely felt significantly as a peer group experience.
Chicago and Columbia did not publish pre-TO data, likely were lower than the top group or they would have published.

UVA and William and Mary show median test scores around 94%ile, top quarter roughly corresponds to just below the median of the top schools. That creates a different peer group from the top two groups.
Virginia Tech has median test scores around the 85%ile. The top quarter of VT corresponds to the median of UVA/WM. VT is a significantly different different peer group from UVA and William and Mary, thus the educational experience will be different.

Peer group matters for teaching: professors know it, deans know it, and top companies and grad/professional schools know it.

My goodness, what a lot of hot air this poster is spewing. While I certainly don't dispute the fact that none of these schools Ivies, the bolded just made me laugh. You pretend to know a lot about things which you clearly know nothing. Kind of amusing, in a way.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the poster who originally said W&M was pricey for in-state tuition. I still think that. I also didn't say that it was the most expensive school out there or that it wasn't worth it. If one of my kids wanted to go there, I'd happily pay.

Out of curiosity, I looked up Michigan's tuition and fees, which are $18,346. W&M's tuition and fees are $26,456. UVM's tuition and fees are $19,996. All exclusive of housing, of course.

What is peculiar about W&M fees compared to the other VA publics is a $1 284 a semester “auxiliary fee” charge and a $1,204 a semester fee for “intercollegiate athletics” which adds up to $4,084, hence the surcharge over, say, UVA. I asked about that because DD has no interest in “intercollegiate athletics” but they were firm it had to be paid.

Many schools are now passing on the costs of NIL to their students. At least W&M is up front about what it’s for and doesn’t hide it?

The state requires public schools to publish fees. All state four year colleges have intercollegiate athletics fees ranging from $732 at VT to $4,186 at VMI.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Entire country is on stolen land.

Not manhattan, we bought it for seashells!

Even Manhattan. The Native Americans thought it was more or less a lease and the land would be returned.

BS.

I am going to need to speak with a Native American Canarsee Tribe chief in 1626 before believing your self-serving and twisted narrative. Can you arrange that?

NYC was purchased fairly. End of story.

And you can prove the Canarsee understood land deeds by going to the Canarsee courthouse and researching legal conveyances from the 15th and 14th centuries.

The time within which they could quiet title in their favor passed some centuries ago. That history is a footnote, of no practical significance or consequence. Real estate transactions now follow modern legal frameworks, and title to land can either be challenged or it cannot. If not, blathering about who used to own it is just so much hot air.

I wasn't saying the ownership should revert. I was just making the argument that there might have been misunderstandings in the transaction due to language and differing views on land "ownership".