I am observing the biggest leftward cultural shift since 2008
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Anonymous
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NP. I'm reading this thread with a bit of astonishment mixed with amusement. Does the OP actually think that she can manifest a leftward cultural shift simply by (falsely) stating we're in the middle of one?
If anything, the country is reacting to and moving away from the LWNJ nonsense foisted upon us over the last five or so years. Perhaps we will wind up somewhere in the middle as the pendulum swings. But further left? No way. |
Anonymous
+1 Spot on. The Hunger Games description is dead on. That PP is such an emblematic douchebag example of why Democrats are so hated. The entire party is filled with vile people like PP. And of course I am a Democrat too, but one who knew Trump would easily win. I’m depressed at the absolute rot of the party and probably going to register independent soon. |
Anonymous
| OP is witnessing a small but loud part of the Democratic Party doubling down on ideas that will keep them out of power(except in deep blue cities) for a generation. It truly is a death spiral with no way to pull out or eject, just crash and burn. |
Anonymous
This. Especially if a fresh new talent doesn’t emerge before the next presidential election. Who are they going to run? Newsom? AOC? They desperately need a Trump or Obama like figure to appear soon for any shot. |
Anonymous
If you mean the DSA wing, I don't really agree. That's not my politics (I'm center left) but we have been running moderates (HRC, KH in her campaign) and it hasn't resonated. |
Anonymous
Because you’re running untalented politicians who have been artificially propped up by their spouse or DEI for their entire careers. |
Anonymous
But the problem is the Affordable Care Act did not live up to its promise of lowering healthcare costs. Do you pay less in healthcare (defined as cost of insurance and out of pocket)? Do your doctors charge your insurance companies less? Sure the ACA expanded coverage but the premise of expanded coverage was that fewer people would seek care in emergency rooms and that would lower costs (bc the healthcare providers were complaining the source of high costs was bc they had to treat the uninsured in emergency rooms). The ACA does include some important provisions (forcing insurance companies to cover preexisting conditions) but it also was a huge source of additional revenue for private insurance companies who do not pass their profits along to consumers. And by focusing on coverage you also don’t give any incentive to providers to curtail costs. If Harris campaigned on her original healthcare policy from 2020 (universal coverage which allows greater leverage in cost negotiation) that would have been something to consider. Campaigning on expanding ACA when ACA has flaws is not the answer. |
Anonymous
The election clearly showed a response to the cultural issues that the left was pushing. What Trump and co have accomplished for billionaires (and nobody else) in six months will likely result in a swing to the left on economic issues. |
Anonymous
| Op, what we are witnessing is major disappointment, if not disgust, with the current major parties. The shift is that people are beginning to wake up to the fact that the current major parties don’t have to be the two we have now. |
Anonymous
| I haven't noticed this shift at all - more just a polarization at both ends thanks to MAGA and the shift of the right to the far right. But if it happens, then great. I'm a democratic socialist and think it's about time people woke up and saw this country's economy for what it really is. |
Anonymous
The left has had several superstars with great potential in the past decade (Stacy Abrams, Mayor Pete, Cory Booker, AOC, Newsom) - but they've basically been crushed by the party's geriatric leadership, who keep pushing moderates that no one really likes that much (Biden and Harris, for example) either because they think it's safe or because, as AOC and Bernie Sanders claim, they are pandering to corporate interests. Either way, democratic voters are disgusted with the losses and failures, and want to see a change. I personally would join the democratic socialists if they had a real party. I'll vote dem as long as I have to, but I'm hoping for either a new party or a substantial leadership change (i.e. massive retirements). |
Anonymous
That’s not the point. PP said “when was the last time you heard Dems talk about healthcare” and then called me a douchebag when I pointed out that Harris talked about it throughout her campaign. You obviously didn’t listen to the clip since she talked about expanding it. Honestly the problem here is that you and pp are also mudslinging, and constantly moving the goalposts. People overwhelmingly like Dem policies. I don’t know what’s so hard for you Dems to understand about this?! Harris was likable. There’s credible evidence showing she had more votes due to election rigging. |
Anonymous
I like Harris a lot. But my point was not that she didn’t talk about healthcare but that in 2024 she didn’t position healthcare the right way. It should be about “expanding ACA” it should be about fixing it or trying something new. I so wish the Dem candidates were more forthright about the policies they ish that work as well as the ones that are not working. Continuing to say ACA is a success that needs to be “expanded” when it’s clear to people that they are paying more for healthcare does not resonate. I’m not moving any goal posts - I just think the Dem establishment is not setting the right goals. In this case it should be lowering healthcare costs. Not doubling down on a specific policy / legislation they supported that didn’t meet the goals. What I really like about Mamdani is that he openly says his 5 govt covert stores (in food deserts not replacing any private stores) is an experiment that he plans to try, assess, and change depending on the outcome. That is what we need more of - not Hiliary Clinton who was so sure she had a “policy for that” but a candidate who has new ideas and proposes them as trials to honestly assess if they work. Our currently current challenges are complex and our mix of free market and government intervention complicates things. So there is no way to know what the solution is before it’s implemented. Another example - the Trump baby bond. That will produce a great data set to monitor to see if establishing a fund at birth for each child (long called for by progressives btw) actually moved the needle in terms of income inequality. |
Anonymous
| We already had crazy left for a while Obama , Biden that's why the economy is messed up. Trump has been in office for like 7 months. I see a far right shift especially with young boys and men also note the read wife the trad wife tiktok trend among young women |
Anonymous
I like Mandani too. As a progressive, I’m all for new ideas. BUT, I’m pushing back on the Dems not talking about or trying to reduce healthcare costs. Biden signed the No Surprises Act, which capped ER visits out of network. Then, Harris broke the tie for the Inflation Reduction Act, which helped with medical debt and healthcare costs. Here’s a decent description of it. While, again, you may think it doesn’t go far enough they are out there trying to do something. The GOP just shot down a federal minimum wage increase in April, which would have benefited lots of low income Americans. Yet, another purported Dem pp calls this the Hunger Games and that the Dems are elites trying to push down the little people, when factually that isn’t true in the least. https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/4932212-how-democrats-are-making-health-care-more-affordable/amp/ |