Camp Mystic

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s quite shocking, looking at how close and flat to the river those cabins were, that no one at the camp or local authorities ever envisioned this might happen. Would require a stunning lack of imagination on all parts.

How could they not have checked the weather, let's say weather dot com, which would have put out an alert so even if no local alert system in place, they would have known. Prayers.

Why do you assume they didn't? I think part of the reason assumptions and stories people are being made up right now are due to the fact that the camp is focused on the families and the missing, not to mention that their patriarch died. They don't have the bandwidth right now to tell the story. Yes we are hearing from some counselors and campers but nobody really knows (yet) what the staff was doing in the wee hours.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.today.com/news/jenna-bush-hager-camp-mystic-texas-flooding-rcna217176?

Jenna Bush explains some of what makes Mystic and the Hill Country camps special, and talks about the Eastland family, the owners, as well.

I thought this was very sweet and really put things into perspective. We don't have this culture here since it's so transient.

Completey off topic, but... Jenna Bush has really aged.

Uh, she's 43.

Stop expecting her to look like the partying 20 year old that went into the White House.

[Anonymous]

I think Jenna looks great since she cut her hair.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.today.com/news/jenna-bush-hager-camp-mystic-texas-flooding-rcna217176?

Jenna Bush explains some of what makes Mystic and the Hill Country camps special, and talks about the Eastland family, the owners, as well.

I thought this was very sweet and really put things into perspective. We don't have this culture here since it's so transient.

It's not all transient actually

PP you don’t get it. It’s just not the same. I lived in TX a few years. Very different culture.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Atheist and I sent my kids to a similar camp. Amazing summer experience and really wonderful people. In our experience, it exposed them to the good kind of Christianity- the kind, loving side of real Christianity. Of all the things I spend money on, it’s up there with the very best.

Is your background Christian?

No. Raised by atheists too.

I have nothing against religion when it’s not used as an excuse to hurt or oppress other people. Done well, it can help people personally, the community, and the world. And like all forms of mediation, prayer can bring people a sense of peace and control. Sadly, though, the authoritarian nature of most religions lends itself to attracting bad people who manipulate believers for their own benefit or agenda.

If I could believe in a higher power, I’d likely be Episcopalian. But I just don’t. None of it makes sense to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.today.com/news/jenna-bush-hager-camp-mystic-texas-flooding-rcna217176?

Jenna Bush explains some of what makes Mystic and the Hill Country camps special, and talks about the Eastland family, the owners, as well.

I thought this was very sweet and really put things into perspective. We don't have this culture here since it's so transient.

It's not all transient actually

PP you don’t get it. It’s just not the same. I lived in TX a few years. Very different culture.

Right? LOL. PP probably has had the same neighbor for 5 years and is amazed.

[Anonymous]

The why didn’t they move all the girls is based on hindsight - after knowing there was a 100 year flash flood that rose far beyond what anyone in the area had ever seen before.

They did move girls. They just couldn’t predict the future to know how fast and far the water would rise. Many others were caught in the flash flood as well. Families in cabins and RVa and others near the river. No one knew what would happen.

It’s easy to look back and say well if I had been near x when there was a natural disaster of an earthquake, tornado, tsunami, monsoon, flash flood that was a 100 year type event I would have been able to predict it myself and have left before any danger - but that’s just a cognitive way of coping. To feel you would have been able to control an uncontrollable situation. That you would have Ben the one to have figured out before anyone else what was happening and taken heroic action. In reality, that wouldn’t be what happens but people feel the need to believe they personally can control Mother Nature to feel in control and to cope with random acts of nature.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The why didn’t they move all the girls is based on hindsight - after knowing there was a 100 year flash flood that rose far beyond what anyone in the area had ever seen before.

They did move girls. They just couldn’t predict the future to know how fast and far the water would rise. Many others were caught in the flash flood as well. Families in cabins and RVa and others near the river. No one knew what would happen.

It’s easy to look back and say well if I had been near x when there was a natural disaster of an earthquake, tornado, tsunami, monsoon, flash flood that was a 100 year type event I would have been able to predict it myself and have left before any danger - but that’s just a cognitive way of coping. To feel you would have been able to control an uncontrollable situation. That you would have Ben the one to have figured out before anyone else what was happening and taken heroic action. In reality, that wouldn’t be what happens but people feel the need to believe they personally can control Mother Nature to feel in control and to cope with random acts of nature.

It's the same with the 2004 Tsumani and earthquake I suppose...I sadly have to believe it truly came out of nowhere like a wall of water. In the middle of the night also, so people couldn't SEE it happening.

The story of the father trying to kayak to his daughters (not at camp) broke my heart.

[Anonymous]

💔💔💔

This is truly too horrific to even comprehend.

Young girls, enjoying their summer vacation, the 4th of July, etc.

May all of their precious souls rest in paradise. 🕊️🕊️🕊️

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s quite shocking, looking at how close and flat to the river those cabins were, that no one at the camp or local authorities ever envisioned this might happen. Would require a stunning lack of imagination on all parts.

How could they not have checked the weather, let's say weather dot com, which would have put out an alert so even if no local alert system in place, they would have known. Prayers.

Why do you assume they didn't? I think part of the reason assumptions and stories people are being made up right now are due to the fact that the camp is focused on the families and the missing, not to mention that their patriarch died. They don't have the bandwidth right now to tell the story. Yes we are hearing from some counselors and campers but nobody really knows (yet) what the staff was doing in the wee hours.

Because an accouncement was made a few hours earlier.

[Anonymous]

These "100 year" weather events are now occurring much more frequently. People need to plan better and take warnings more seriously.

[Anonymous]

Maybe this is a dumb question but are there not alarms that can be installed in the ground that would sound if water reached a certain level? I have them in my house behind every toilet. Is there no such thing for camping?

[Anonymous]

I do not remotely compare losing a parent with losing a child. But I learned when my mom died of aggressive cancer at 60 that safety and control are completely an illusion. We were never safe and we never had control. It didn’t happen “for a reason” and I sure as hell hope it wasn’t “God’s Plan” to take her from us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe this is a dumb question but are there not alarms that can be installed in the ground that would sound if water reached a certain level? I have them in my house behind every toilet. Is there no such thing for camping?

I don’t get this either. People have them near laundry machines or in second homes that alert them to literally drops of wetness. How can it be that hard?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe this is a dumb question but are there not alarms that can be installed in the ground that would sound if water reached a certain level? I have them in my house behind every toilet. Is there no such thing for camping?

Yes there are alarm systems that can be installed and have been in other Texas counties and were proposed for this county but this county didn’t want to pay for them.

So don’t tell me its too “political” to say this could have been prevented with better policies and better leaders.