NYT: Men where have you gone, please come back.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a guy - I want to sympathize with this guy(s) who keep posting - and they have some points about the double standards applied these days. But the sex tourism and “girls are easy now” and all the weird Tateworld stuff and everything that stems from it is legitimately concerning. The radicalization of young men is rapidly spreading. It is a cancer. They don’t realize they’re being influenced by malign actors who are trying to destroy western society.

Take some responsibility for your own actions . Stop blaming women. Stop watching YouTube. You’re not entitled to anything.

The fact that this whole men’s rights/incel perspective is what passes for conservatism these days is disgusting. What happened to pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and not whining like a little b**ch about how unfair things are and how everyone is out to get you? Man up. You are pathetic.

And this condescension is exactly why Trump won with young men. It's almost comical how you still don't get it.

LOL. Oh I know why Trump won. Refer to” “malign actors intentionally trying to destroy western society.” The fact that you weirdos actively participate in the radicalization and whine about being condescended to just makes you useful idiots. MAN UP and stop the self loathing whining. No one is going to fix this for you. Trump doesn’t give a shıt about you. You are going to have to figure out how not to be a drain on society all by yourself.

4 more years of Vance it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a guy - I want to sympathize with this guy(s) who keep posting - and they have some points about the double standards applied these days. But the sex tourism and “girls are easy now” and all the weird Tateworld stuff and everything that stems from it is legitimately concerning. The radicalization of young men is rapidly spreading. It is a cancer. They don’t realize they’re being influenced by malign actors who are trying to destroy western society.

Take some responsibility for your own actions . Stop blaming women. Stop watching YouTube. You’re not entitled to anything.

The fact that this whole men’s rights/incel perspective is what passes for conservatism these days is disgusting. What happened to pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and not whining like a little b**ch about how unfair things are and how everyone is out to get you? Man up. You are pathetic.

And this condescension is exactly why Trump won with young men. It's almost comical how you still don't get it.

LOL. Oh I know why Trump won. Refer to” “malign actors intentionally trying to destroy western society.” The fact that you weirdos actively participate in the radicalization and whine about being condescended to just makes you useful idiots. MAN UP and stop the self loathing whining. No one is going to fix this for you. Trump doesn’t give a shıt about you. You are going to have to figure out how not to be a drain on society all by yourself.

4 more years of Vance it is.

Yes it’s certainly possible that 50.1% of voters who show up in 2028 will be radicalized or sympathetic with those who have. We certainly saw that in 2024 and 2020. There’s not a lot to be done about decades of low education attainment and the rise of social media rotting peoples minds and infusing society with lies and propaganda.

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Anonymous wrote:Men found a solution to their problems. They either left women alone and retreated from the dating world altogether or they got a passport and went abroad to find the women they liked. American women, especially those in the academic and business fields, seem angry and embittered. They always complain men are going to Asia and South America for sex and subservient low educated women. But you almost never see American women in large numbers with foreign men who are hotter, more educated, and have higher incomes than American men. On paper, alot of European men match the qualifications and beliefs American women are looking for. Several off the bat I can name from Sweden, Switzerland, Norway that match the average progressive female. The truth is that those men don't want them either. And a degree and career is not a factor of attraction with most men. It's about your looks, femininity, humility and kindness, and maternal qualities. Younger women, especially those abroad, tend to have these factors in spades without the combative and propagandized nature of an older, educated, professional woman.

I love that the equivalent for men dating “subservient low educated woman” is a woman dating a “hotter, more educated higher income man”

Like you literally admit you’re buying sex and subservience from low educated women as a flex? Is this a joke?

I’ll also say, I don’t know any women complaining about these men. If they’re such a LBH, it’s likely the local women didn’t want him anyway. Instead of working on being a better person and partner, they go buy sex where it’s cheap. They don’t even have enough money to pay American sex worker prices 😂

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Anonymous wrote:But they are unobtainable. 3% of men are 6ft tall or taller and also earn over $100k per year. That's what women everywhere are saying is the minimum standard. They won't "settle" for anything less.
Take 2 seconds and read this forum and see how all the women here immediately write off a guy that makes under $100k

Where does this nonsense come from? Seriously anyone who spends any time with other humans can see with their own eyes woman do in fact date and marry men well under 6 ft. My husband is below average height, never bothered me at all. One of my good friends is 5 ft 7 and her husband is shorter than her. They are happily married. The only way you can spout this nonsense is if you actively lie to yourself. The $ half is not as obvious unless you know people well but clearly there are men earning less than $100k who are happy in relationships. These kinds of lies are stopping you from taking a look at yourself and figuring out the real reason women don’t want to date you. If you want to be single great, you go for it! But don’t act like you had no choice when it is so incredibly obvious that many men are in fact doing just fine with the same attributes you have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Men found a solution to their problems. They either left women alone and retreated from the dating world altogether or they got a passport and went abroad to find the women they liked. American women, especially those in the academic and business fields, seem angry and embittered. They always complain men are going to Asia and South America for sex and subservient low educated women. But you almost never see American women in large numbers with foreign men who are hotter, more educated, and have higher incomes than American men. On paper, alot of European men match the qualifications and beliefs American women are looking for. Several off the bat I can name from Sweden, Switzerland, Norway that match the average progressive female. The truth is that those men don't want them either. And a degree and career is not a factor of attraction with most men. It's about your looks, femininity, humility and kindness, and maternal qualities. Younger women, especially those abroad, tend to have these factors in spades without the combative and propagandized nature of an older, educated, professional woman.

I love that the equivalent for men dating “subservient low educated woman” is a woman dating a “hotter, more educated higher income man”

Like you literally admit you’re buying sex and subservience from low educated women as a flex? Is this a joke?

I’ll also say, I don’t know any women complaining about these men. If they’re such a LBH, it’s likely the local women didn’t want him anyway. Instead of working on being a better person and partner, they go buy sex where it’s cheap. They don’t even have enough money to pay American sex worker prices 😂

+1

Men who go to Colombia and Thailand to hire prostitutes are NOT men that anyone wants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But they are unobtainable. 3% of men are 6ft tall or taller and also earn over $100k per year. That's what women everywhere are saying is the minimum standard. They won't "settle" for anything less.
Take 2 seconds and read this forum and see how all the women here immediately write off a guy that makes under $100k

Where does this nonsense come from? Seriously anyone who spends any time with other humans can see with their own eyes woman do in fact date and marry men well under 6 ft. My husband is below average height, never bothered me at all. One of my good friends is 5 ft 7 and her husband is shorter than her. They are happily married. The only way you can spout this nonsense is if you actively lie to yourself. The $ half is not as obvious unless you know people well but clearly there are men earning less than $100k who are happy in relationships. These kinds of lies are stopping you from taking a look at yourself and figuring out the real reason women don’t want to date you. If you want to be single great, you go for it! But don’t act like you had no choice when it is so incredibly obvious that many men are in fact doing just fine with the same attributes you have.

These are just internet talking points from the chronically online. Nothing to do with what actually happens in the real world.

Same as "high value men don't care about your brains or accomplishments they just want a pretty and nice waitress." My social circle is full of high earning men and every single one of them married a peer from college, grad school, or professional networks.

[Anonymous]

So is the answer to “where have all the men gone” Colombia and Thailand to buy cheap sex? Have we solved it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Men found a solution to their problems. They either left women alone and retreated from the dating world altogether or they got a passport and went abroad to find the women they liked. American women, especially those in the academic and business fields, seem angry and embittered. They always complain men are going to Asia and South America for sex and subservient low educated women. But you almost never see American women in large numbers with foreign men who are hotter, more educated, and have higher incomes than American men. On paper, alot of European men match the qualifications and beliefs American women are looking for. Several off the bat I can name from Sweden, Switzerland, Norway that match the average progressive female. The truth is that those men don't want them either. And a degree and career is not a factor of attraction with most men. It's about your looks, femininity, humility and kindness, and maternal qualities. Younger women, especially those abroad, tend to have these factors in spades without the combative and propagandized nature of an older, educated, professional woman.

I love that the equivalent for men dating “subservient low educated woman” is a woman dating a “hotter, more educated higher income man”

Like you literally admit you’re buying sex and subservience from low educated women as a flex? Is this a joke?

I’ll also say, I don’t know any women complaining about these men. If they’re such a LBH, it’s likely the local women didn’t want him anyway. Instead of working on being a better person and partner, they go buy sex where it’s cheap. They don’t even have enough money to pay American sex worker prices 😂

+1

Men who go to Colombia and Thailand to hire prostitutes are NOT men that anyone wants.

I think this is true, but there is an angry old hen on here compulsively complaining about sex tourists, which is totally irrelevant to the article. A lot of what is going on regarding dating is honestly more about cultural changes than blaming women or men, IMO.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a guy - I want to sympathize with this guy(s) who keep posting - and they have some points about the double standards applied these days. But the sex tourism and “girls are easy now” and all the weird Tateworld stuff and everything that stems from it is legitimately concerning. The radicalization of young men is rapidly spreading. It is a cancer. They don’t realize they’re being influenced by malign actors who are trying to destroy western society.

Take some responsibility for your own actions . Stop blaming women. Stop watching YouTube. You’re not entitled to anything.

The fact that this whole men’s rights/incel perspective is what passes for conservatism these days is disgusting. What happened to pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and not whining like a little b**ch about how unfair things are and how everyone is out to get you? Man up. You are pathetic.

And this condescension is exactly why Trump won with young men. It's almost comical how you still don't get it.

That’s rich…wasn’t it the right calling the left snowflakes? Now that these young men are the snowflakes it’s condescension?

BTW…young men have always been Republican voters. Reagan won 61% of the 18-30 make vote in 1984 (and a majority in 1980)…vs Trump won 54% in 2024.

Trump actually won a larger share at 58% in 2016 than he won in 2024.

[Anonymous]

This article and thread is ridiculous. It's not rocket science. Society (meaning women and teachers) spent the last twenty years telling boys they're toxic masculinity is killing America and they need to sit down, shut up and let the women lead. That's why men are not stand up any longer, at least some of them, and I do not blame them for one moment. My DS will not even open a door for a woman any longer that is not a relative, society has taught him that, women have taught him that, he did not learn that from his family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This article and thread is ridiculous. It's not rocket science. Society (meaning women and teachers) spent the last twenty years telling boys they're toxic masculinity is killing America and they need to sit down, shut up and let the women lead. That's why men are not stand up any longer, at least some of them, and I do not blame them for one moment. My DS will not even open a door for a woman any longer that is not a relative, society has taught him that, women have taught him that, he did not learn that from his family.

Blaming society for your son being a POS is rich. You know these lessons start at home, you clearly could have course corrected if you tried or wanted to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This article and thread is ridiculous. It's not rocket science. Society (meaning women and teachers) spent the last twenty years telling boys they're toxic masculinity is killing America and they need to sit down, shut up and let the women lead. That's why men are not stand up any longer, at least some of them, and I do not blame them for one moment. My DS will not even open a door for a woman any longer that is not a relative, society has taught him that, women have taught him that, he did not learn that from his family.

Blaming society for your son being a POS is rich. You know these lessons start at home, you clearly could have course corrected if you tried or wanted to.

Course corrected to do what? Not leave women alone? You sound remedial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This article and thread is ridiculous. It's not rocket science. Society (meaning women and teachers) spent the last twenty years telling boys they're toxic masculinity is killing America and they need to sit down, shut up and let the women lead. That's why men are not stand up any longer, at least some of them, and I do not blame them for one moment. My DS will not even open a door for a woman any longer that is not a relative, society has taught him that, women have taught him that, he did not learn that from his family.

Blaming society for your son being a POS is rich. You know these lessons start at home, you clearly could have course corrected if you tried or wanted to.

Wait so not opening a door for a woman equates to pos? What?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This article and thread is ridiculous. It's not rocket science. Society (meaning women and teachers) spent the last twenty years telling boys they're toxic masculinity is killing America and they need to sit down, shut up and let the women lead. That's why men are not stand up any longer, at least some of them, and I do not blame them for one moment. My DS will not even open a door for a woman any longer that is not a relative, society has taught him that, women have taught him that, he did not learn that from his family.

This is insanity. Are you really distressed that your son doesn’t hold the door for people anymore (which is weird, by the way, every person in my family both male and female holds the door for others) and this makes you think men are being told that women are in charge now? I have a son who is a great guy and a husband who is a wonderful role model to him. Even still there are moments where I feel like they really just don’t get it. My husband once was describing how it was a shame he doesn’t want to didn’t want to be in certain situations because he was afraid of being accused of inappropriateness and I was like “you realize women don’t want to be in that same situation because they are afraid of being raped and murdered, right?” And no he hadn’t thought of that. He just thought it was sad some one might accuse him of something. That’s the kind of ignorance that leads to men feeling like victims when women are still facing actual abuse and violence at much higher rates.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't even know what this means.

I have a very engaged and awesome boyfriend (49yo.) I also have 3 boys - 21, 18 and 15. The 2 older ones have girlfriends. My dad is present and great.

None of them are away. If anything, my boys think social media has bodysnatched the girls.

What does this mean?