NYT: Men where have you gone, please come back.

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Anonymous wrote:Men are cracking up at this article online, and the comments are gold. For years now, women have been telling men to go away, you're lower than dirt. We don't need you! Well, they listened, and they want nothing to do with you. They are happy to pay off their mortgages and cars, and hang out with the guys, hassle free. And now you want them back? They're saying no, thanks. We're good.

Might want to look further south at more traditional cultures, that value masculinity and marriage.

Many are moving here.

The marriage rate in DCnis higher than every southern state and the marriage rate in NY state is also higher than 1/2 the southern states including GA, LA, KY and MS.

Nevada and Hawaii are the highest and Louisiana is the lowest.

I think the pp may have been referring to central/south America? I spend half the year down there and it's like night and day. I don't even date when back in DC. Just look at some of the insane comments by unhinged women on this site. Just not worth it IMHO.

So you engage in sex tourism in impoverished countries and somehow think this is a win for you? Yikes.

All that happens is those women "upgrade" when they get their green card and find out there are men who will treat them better. But thanks for getting them legal status!

+1 OMG, dude is clueless. Basically, he is saying that he can't hack it in the US so he has to go to a poorer country, where women are more desperate, to get any. Men like PP want the US to go back to the 1950s when women needed men to open up a bank account and had to rely on them for everything. That's the only way he can feel like a real man.

How pathetic.

The female incels sure are all over this one. Lots of guys live in Latin América and date normal women. Not a single one of them prefers to date American women.

Your knowledge of the outside world is so limited that you and your smooth brain has to rely on ridiculous stereotypes. You're so gross and you wonder why you can't give it away for free

LOL, I'm an immigrant, married to another immigrant from a different culture.

People usually marry others within their culture. Latin American men don't want to marry American women because they want their women to cater to them, cook, clean, do all the housechores, childcare. Latin American men tend to be misogynistic. My parent's culture is like this, too. I married a man from a culture that is not like that. He is my life partner, and we've been married for 20+ years.

Your example just shows that misogynistic men don't want independent women. Thanks for proving my point.

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Anonymous wrote:Men are cracking up at this article online, and the comments are gold. For years now, women have been telling men to go away, you're lower than dirt. We don't need you! Well, they listened, and they want nothing to do with you. They are happy to pay off their mortgages and cars, and hang out with the guys, hassle free. And now you want them back? They're saying no, thanks. We're good.

Might want to look further south at more traditional cultures, that value masculinity and marriage.

Many are moving here.

The marriage rate in DCnis higher than every southern state and the marriage rate in NY state is also higher than 1/2 the southern states including GA, LA, KY and MS.

Nevada and Hawaii are the highest and Louisiana is the lowest.

I think the pp may have been referring to central/south America? I spend half the year down there and it's like night and day. I don't even date when back in DC. Just look at some of the insane comments by unhinged women on this site. Just not worth it IMHO.

So you engage in sex tourism in impoverished countries and somehow think this is a win for you? Yikes.

All that happens is those women "upgrade" when they get their green card and find out there are men who will treat them better. But thanks for getting them legal status!

+1 OMG, dude is clueless. Basically, he is saying that he can't hack it in the US so he has to go to a poorer country, where women are more desperate, to get any. Men like PP want the US to go back to the 1950s when women needed men to open up a bank account and had to rely on them for everything. That's the only way he can feel like a real man.

How pathetic.

The female incels sure are all over this one. Lots of guys live in Latin América and date normal women. Not a single one of them prefers to date American women.

Your knowledge of the outside world is so limited that you and your smooth brain has to rely on ridiculous stereotypes. You're so gross and you wonder why you can't give it away for free

Yeah getting insulted by a passport bro who pays poor women for sex is not the flex you think it is.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a guy - I want to sympathize with this guy(s) who keep posting - and they have some points about the double standards applied these days. But the sex tourism and “girls are easy now” and all the weird Tateworld stuff and everything that stems from it is legitimately concerning. The radicalization of young men is rapidly spreading. It is a cancer. They don’t realize they’re being influenced by malign actors who are trying to destroy western society.

Take some responsibility for your own actions . Stop blaming women. Stop watching YouTube. You’re not entitled to anything.

The fact that this whole men’s rights/incel perspective is what passes for conservatism these days is disgusting. What happened to pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and not whining like a little b**ch about how unfair things are and how everyone is out to get you? Man up. You are pathetic.

And this condescension is exactly why Trump won with young men. It's almost comical how you still don't get it.

LOL. Oh I know why Trump won. Refer to” “malign actors intentionally trying to destroy western society.” The fact that you weirdos actively participate in the radicalization and whine about being condescended to just makes you useful idiots. MAN UP and stop the self loathing whining. No one is going to fix this for you. Trump doesn’t give a shıt about you. You are going to have to figure out how not to be a drain on society all by yourself.

Well, there is a winning message that is going to rally the disaffected youth. You are more interested in being right than building something better….

I am not a red pilled, but like any good scam, there are elements of truth in there.

In any election there will be voters who you just won’t reach and will disagree with you. I think it’s reasonable to assume the radicalized incel community isn’t likely going to vote for a democrat anytime soon.

Sure, but then why make a clearly antagonistic message that oozes contempt if it is not going to change the targets of the message? The message also runs the risk of alienating people at the margins.

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Anonymous wrote:Men are cracking up at this article online, and the comments are gold. For years now, women have been telling men to go away, you're lower than dirt. We don't need you! Well, they listened, and they want nothing to do with you. They are happy to pay off their mortgages and cars, and hang out with the guys, hassle free. And now you want them back? They're saying no, thanks. We're good.

Might want to look further south at more traditional cultures, that value masculinity and marriage.

Many are moving here.

The marriage rate in DCnis higher than every southern state and the marriage rate in NY state is also higher than 1/2 the southern states including GA, LA, KY and MS.

Nevada and Hawaii are the highest and Louisiana is the lowest.

I think the pp may have been referring to central/south America? I spend half the year down there and it's like night and day. I don't even date when back in DC. Just look at some of the insane comments by unhinged women on this site. Just not worth it IMHO.

So you engage in sex tourism in impoverished countries and somehow think this is a win for you? Yikes.

All that happens is those women "upgrade" when they get their green card and find out there are men who will treat them better. But thanks for getting them legal status!

+1 OMG, dude is clueless. Basically, he is saying that he can't hack it in the US so he has to go to a poorer country, where women are more desperate, to get any. Men like PP want the US to go back to the 1950s when women needed men to open up a bank account and had to rely on them for everything. That's the only way he can feel like a real man.

How pathetic.

The female incels sure are all over this one. Lots of guys live in Latin América and date normal women. Not a single one of them prefers to date American women.

Your knowledge of the outside world is so limited that you and your smooth brain has to rely on ridiculous stereotypes. You're so gross and you wonder why you can't give it away for free

Yeah getting insulted by a passport bro who pays poor women for sex is not the flex you think it is.

+1 sick burn

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Anonymous wrote:Happily married, mid 40s guy here.

I read the article and thought the likeliest explanation is simply that guys are just not in to her. Just because she can't get any serious interest from men personally doesn't tell us much about society.

Her personal observations about the ratio of men to women out on date night in wicker park also seem pretty dumb.

+1. She sounds like a loser who doesn’t know how to date so she’s lonely. NYT has really gone downhill.

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Anonymous wrote:Men are cracking up at this article online, and the comments are gold. For years now, women have been telling men to go away, you're lower than dirt. We don't need you! Well, they listened, and they want nothing to do with you. They are happy to pay off their mortgages and cars, and hang out with the guys, hassle free. And now you want them back? They're saying no, thanks. We're good.

Might want to look further south at more traditional cultures, that value masculinity and marriage.

Many are moving here.

The marriage rate in DCnis higher than every southern state and the marriage rate in NY state is also higher than 1/2 the southern states including GA, LA, KY and MS.

Nevada and Hawaii are the highest and Louisiana is the lowest.

I think the pp may have been referring to central/south America? I spend half the year down there and it's like night and day. I don't even date when back in DC. Just look at some of the insane comments by unhinged women on this site. Just not worth it IMHO.

So you engage in sex tourism in impoverished countries and somehow think this is a win for you? Yikes.

All that happens is those women "upgrade" when they get their green card and find out there are men who will treat them better. But thanks for getting them legal status!

+1 OMG, dude is clueless. Basically, he is saying that he can't hack it in the US so he has to go to a poorer country, where women are more desperate, to get any. Men like PP want the US to go back to the 1950s when women needed men to open up a bank account and had to rely on them for everything. That's the only way he can feel like a real man.

How pathetic.

The female incels sure are all over this one. Lots of guys live in Latin América and date normal women. Not a single one of them prefers to date American women.

Your knowledge of the outside world is so limited that you and your smooth brain has to rely on ridiculous stereotypes. You're so gross and you wonder why you can't give it away for free

LOL, I'm an immigrant, married to another immigrant from a different culture.

People usually marry others within their culture. Latin American men don't want to marry American women because they want their women to cater to them, cook, clean, do all the housechores, childcare. Latin American men tend to be misogynistic. My parent's culture is like this, too. I married a man from a culture that is not like that. He is my life partner, and we've been married for 20+ years.

Your example just shows that misogynistic men don't want independent women. Thanks for proving my point.

You didn't prove what you think you proved.

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Anonymous wrote:Men are cracking up at this article online, and the comments are gold. For years now, women have been telling men to go away, you're lower than dirt. We don't need you! Well, they listened, and they want nothing to do with you. They are happy to pay off their mortgages and cars, and hang out with the guys, hassle free. And now you want them back? They're saying no, thanks. We're good.

Might want to look further south at more traditional cultures, that value masculinity and marriage.

Many are moving here.

The marriage rate in DCnis higher than every southern state and the marriage rate in NY state is also higher than 1/2 the southern states including GA, LA, KY and MS.

Nevada and Hawaii are the highest and Louisiana is the lowest.

I think the pp may have been referring to central/south America? I spend half the year down there and it's like night and day. I don't even date when back in DC. Just look at some of the insane comments by unhinged women on this site. Just not worth it IMHO.

So you engage in sex tourism in impoverished countries and somehow think this is a win for you? Yikes.

All that happens is those women "upgrade" when they get their green card and find out there are men who will treat them better. But thanks for getting them legal status!

+1 OMG, dude is clueless. Basically, he is saying that he can't hack it in the US so he has to go to a poorer country, where women are more desperate, to get any. Men like PP want the US to go back to the 1950s when women needed men to open up a bank account and had to rely on them for everything. That's the only way he can feel like a real man.

How pathetic.

The female incels sure are all over this one. Lots of guys live in Latin América and date normal women. Not a single one of them prefers to date American women.

Your knowledge of the outside world is so limited that you and your smooth brain has to rely on ridiculous stereotypes. You're so gross and you wonder why you can't give it away for free

Yeah getting insulted by a passport bro who pays poor women for sex is not the flex you think it is.

Yes that never happens in the US!

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Men found a solution to their problems. They either left women alone and retreated from the dating world altogether or they got a passport and went abroad to find the women they liked. American women, especially those in the academic and business fields, seem angry and embittered. They always complain men are going to Asia and South America for sex and subservient low educated women. But you almost never see American women in large numbers with foreign men who are hotter, more educated, and have higher incomes than American men. On paper, alot of European men match the qualifications and beliefs American women are looking for. Several off the bat I can name from Sweden, Switzerland, Norway that match the average progressive female. The truth is that those men don't want them either. And a degree and career is not a factor of attraction with most men. It's about your looks, femininity, humility and kindness, and maternal qualities. Younger women, especially those abroad, tend to have these factors in spades without the combative and propagandized nature of an older, educated, professional woman.

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Anonymous wrote:Men are cracking up at this article online, and the comments are gold. For years now, women have been telling men to go away, you're lower than dirt. We don't need you! Well, they listened, and they want nothing to do with you. They are happy to pay off their mortgages and cars, and hang out with the guys, hassle free. And now you want them back? They're saying no, thanks. We're good.

Might want to look further south at more traditional cultures, that value masculinity and marriage.

Many are moving here.

The marriage rate in DCnis higher than every southern state and the marriage rate in NY state is also higher than 1/2 the southern states including GA, LA, KY and MS.

Nevada and Hawaii are the highest and Louisiana is the lowest.

I think the pp may have been referring to central/south America? I spend half the year down there and it's like night and day. I don't even date when back in DC. Just look at some of the insane comments by unhinged women on this site. Just not worth it IMHO.

So you engage in sex tourism in impoverished countries and somehow think this is a win for you? Yikes.

All that happens is those women "upgrade" when they get their green card and find out there are men who will treat them better. But thanks for getting them legal status!

+1 OMG, dude is clueless. Basically, he is saying that he can't hack it in the US so he has to go to a poorer country, where women are more desperate, to get any. Men like PP want the US to go back to the 1950s when women needed men to open up a bank account and had to rely on them for everything. That's the only way he can feel like a real man.

How pathetic.

The female incels sure are all over this one. Lots of guys live in Latin América and date normal women. Not a single one of them prefers to date American women.

Your knowledge of the outside world is so limited that you and your smooth brain has to rely on ridiculous stereotypes. You're so gross and you wonder why you can't give it away for free

Yeah getting insulted by a passport bro who pays poor women for sex is not the flex you think it is.

Yes that never happens in the US!

Are you trying to say being a passport bro is better than being an American paying for sex? I don’t personally hang out with men like this so I haven’t “ranked” them per se, but I’d still think the guys trying to buy mail order brides are worse

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Anonymous wrote:Men found a solution to their problems. They either left women alone and retreated from the dating world altogether or they got a passport and went abroad to find the women they liked. American women, especially those in the academic and business fields, seem angry and embittered. They always complain men are going to Asia and South America for sex and subservient low educated women. But you almost never see American women in large numbers with foreign men who are hotter, more educated, and have higher incomes than American men. On paper, alot of European men match the qualifications and beliefs American women are looking for. Several off the bat I can name from Sweden, Switzerland, Norway that match the average progressive female. The truth is that those men don't want them either. And a degree and career is not a factor of attraction with most men. It's about your looks, femininity, humility and kindness, and maternal qualities. Younger women, especially those abroad, tend to have these factors in spades without the combative and propagandized nature of an older, educated, professional woman.

Just say the educated professional women can’t stand you and you have to flash $20 bills in poor countries to get attention :/

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a guy - I want to sympathize with this guy(s) who keep posting - and they have some points about the double standards applied these days. But the sex tourism and “girls are easy now” and all the weird Tateworld stuff and everything that stems from it is legitimately concerning. The radicalization of young men is rapidly spreading. It is a cancer. They don’t realize they’re being influenced by malign actors who are trying to destroy western society.

Take some responsibility for your own actions . Stop blaming women. Stop watching YouTube. You’re not entitled to anything.

The fact that this whole men’s rights/incel perspective is what passes for conservatism these days is disgusting. What happened to pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and not whining like a little b**ch about how unfair things are and how everyone is out to get you? Man up. You are pathetic.

And this condescension is exactly why Trump won with young men. It's almost comical how you still don't get it.

LOL. Oh I know why Trump won. Refer to” “malign actors intentionally trying to destroy western society.” The fact that you weirdos actively participate in the radicalization and whine about being condescended to just makes you useful idiots. MAN UP and stop the self loathing whining. No one is going to fix this for you. Trump doesn’t give a shıt about you. You are going to have to figure out how not to be a drain on society all by yourself.

Well, there is a winning message that is going to rally the disaffected youth. You are more interested in being right than building something better….

I am not a red pilled, but like any good scam, there are elements of truth in there.

In any election there will be voters who you just won’t reach and will disagree with you. I think it’s reasonable to assume the radicalized incel community isn’t likely going to vote for a democrat anytime soon.

Sure, but then why make a clearly antagonistic message that oozes contempt if it is not going to change the targets of the message? The message also runs the risk of alienating people at the margins.

People who travel for sex to Colombia aren’t “on the margins”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/20/style/modern-love-men-where-have-you-gone-please-come-back.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Wonder what posters here think of this and if things are equal in dc or no?

I would be curious if the author, in addition to her anecdotes, talked to 24, 34 and 44, and 64 year olds.

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I don't believe American women are "choicefully single" (word to Tracee Ellis Ross) but rather, they had no choice as the bottom of the dating pool and doubled down on singledom as a coping mechanism, having waited entirely too long to pair bond with suitable males when they were younger. Now as leftover women they're creating toxic content on tiktok, instagram, and youtube warning younger women on the "dangers" of the patriarchy and groomers. Typical pipeline for the femcel girlboss who bought all the propaganda in college and now slaving away in corporate America for the white men she detest.

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Anonymous wrote:Men found a solution to their problems. They either left women alone and retreated from the dating world altogether or they got a passport and went abroad to find the women they liked. American women, especially those in the academic and business fields, seem angry and embittered. They always complain men are going to Asia and South America for sex and subservient low educated women. But you almost never see American women in large numbers with foreign men who are hotter, more educated, and have higher incomes than American men. On paper, alot of European men match the qualifications and beliefs American women are looking for. Several off the bat I can name from Sweden, Switzerland, Norway that match the average progressive female. The truth is that those men don't want them either. And a degree and career is not a factor of attraction with most men. It's about your looks, femininity, humility and kindness, and maternal qualities. Younger women, especially those abroad, tend to have these factors in spades without the combative and propagandized nature of an older, educated, professional woman.

You’re saying nothing that leads me to believe you haven’t been radicalized by YouTube propaganda.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe American women are "choicefully single" (word to Tracee Ellis Ross) but rather, they had no choice as the bottom of the dating pool and doubled down on singledom as a coping mechanism, having waited entirely too long to pair bond with suitable males when they were younger. Now as leftover women they're creating toxic content on tiktok, instagram, and youtube warning younger women on the "dangers" of the patriarchy and groomers. Typical pipeline for the femcel girlboss who bought all the propaganda in college and now slaving away in corporate America for the white men she detest.

Whoa, are you pro-grooming? Why would you include that in your screed? You think it’s ok for adults to groom children? What the actual f***