Culture for Girls at Southern Schools

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Anonymous wrote:Kids self select beginning in middle school. Cliques formed among looks, sports, theater/arts, nerds etc.

And kids change a lot over those years. I wouldn't pigeonhole them. Just like in college. Someone might be interested in a sorority freshman year and be done with it by sophomore year.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, this is a thing in the south. The conformist, appearance heavy culture can be so horrible that kids feel they need to transfer. Speaking from personal experience. Cough cough UVA.

I’m not denying that this is the experience of people with certain groups at UVA. But it is not the case throughout the university, which is large and full of all types of students.

The people repeatedly slamming and stereotyping entire universities over the appearance of some sorority girls sound like they never left high school.

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Seriously. Use some basic math. Five “stereotypical” sororities with 50 pledges per year is a total of 1,000 kids.

How large are the schools you all are stereotyping? 8,000 kids? 20,000 kids? More? 🤦‍♀️

That is 25% to 10% of the women at these schools.

Yeah, but who pays attention to the people not in your orbit once you get to college?

Saying that these random pretty sorority girls who are not in your kids' social world when they go to a college of thousands or tens of thousands of students are going to ruin your daughter's college experience or saying they scarred you decades later is a very middle school approach to life.

I was a poor kid working multiple jobs at a big state flashship with a very strong and dominant greek life. I only had 3 friends my whole time there that were part of that world. One guy who hung out with my friends at the student union between classes, who I think was from the same high school as a friend. He was very involved in his frat, but was so funny, smart, and interesting. And 2 coworkers who were from the "prettiest" sorority on campus. They were gorgeous and looked the part. But they were awesome. Smart, witty, friendly and kind. Two of the nicest girls I met my entire time in college. We didn't overlap at all socially, but they both enriched my college experience. Other than that, the only greeks I knew were people I casually knew from classes, where we had enough shared degree interest to make small talk or discuss the classwork.

Who judges people like this based on their grooming practices and hair color? You are missing out on some great people and experiences by stereotyping these young women like you are still in middle school.

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The CEOs of Sorority Row

Despite negative stigmas associated with Greek life, affiliated women leverage their chapter experiences in the job search.

By Hayley Glatter
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/09/the-ceos-of-sorority-row/499331/

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, this is a thing in the south. The conformist, appearance heavy culture can be so horrible that kids feel they need to transfer. Speaking from personal experience. Cough cough UVA.

I’m not denying that this is the experience of people with certain groups at UVA. But it is not the case throughout the university, which is large and full of all types of students.

The people repeatedly slamming and stereotyping entire universities over the appearance of some sorority girls sound like they never left high school.

+1

Seriously. Use some basic math. Five “stereotypical” sororities with 50 pledges per year is a total of 1,000 kids.

How large are the schools you all are stereotyping? 8,000 kids? 20,000 kids? More? 🤦‍♀️

That is 25% to 10% of the women at these schools.

Yeah, but who pays attention to the people not in your orbit once you get to college?

Saying that these random pretty sorority girls who are not in your kids' social world when they go to a college of thousands or tens of thousands of students are going to ruin your daughter's college experience or saying they scarred you decades later is a very middle school approach to life.

I was a poor kid working multiple jobs at a big state flashship with a very strong and dominant greek life. I only had 3 friends my whole time there that were part of that world. One guy who hung out with my friends at the student union between classes, who I think was from the same high school as a friend. He was very involved in his frat, but was so funny, smart, and interesting. And 2 coworkers who were from the "prettiest" sorority on campus. They were gorgeous and looked the part. But they were awesome. Smart, witty, friendly and kind. Two of the nicest girls I met my entire time in college. We didn't overlap at all socially, but they both enriched my college experience. Other than that, the only greeks I knew were people I casually knew from classes, where we had enough shared degree interest to make small talk or discuss the classwork.

Who judges people like this based on their grooming practices and hair color? You are missing out on some great people and experiences by stereotyping these young women like you are still in middle school.

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BTW, I think you meant AND, not BUT in the bolded sentences.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kids self select beginning in middle school. Cliques formed among looks, sports, theater/arts, nerds etc.

And kids change a lot over those years. I wouldn't pigeonhole them. Just like in college. Someone might be interested in a sorority freshman year and be done with it by sophomore year.

People deactivate. It's fine.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, this is a thing in the south. The conformist, appearance heavy culture can be so horrible that kids feel they need to transfer. Speaking from personal experience. Cough cough UVA.

I’m not denying that this is the experience of people with certain groups at UVA. But it is not the case throughout the university, which is large and full of all types of students.

The people repeatedly slamming and stereotyping entire universities over the appearance of some sorority girls sound like they never left high school.

+1

Seriously. Use some basic math. Five “stereotypical” sororities with 50 pledges per year is a total of 1,000 kids.

How large are the schools you all are stereotyping? 8,000 kids? 20,000 kids? More? 🤦‍♀️

That is 25% to 10% of the women at these schools.

Yeah, but who pays attention to the people not in your orbit once you get to college?

Saying that these random pretty sorority girls who are not in your kids' social world when they go to a college of thousands or tens of thousands of students are going to ruin your daughter's college experience or saying they scarred you decades later is a very middle school approach to life.

I was a poor kid working multiple jobs at a big state flashship with a very strong and dominant greek life. I only had 3 friends my whole time there that were part of that world. One guy who hung out with my friends at the student union between classes, who I think was from the same high school as a friend. He was very involved in his frat, but was so funny, smart, and interesting. And 2 coworkers who were from the "prettiest" sorority on campus. They were gorgeous and looked the part. But they were awesome. Smart, witty, friendly and kind. Two of the nicest girls I met my entire time in college. We didn't overlap at all socially, but they both enriched my college experience. Other than that, the only greeks I knew were people I casually knew from classes, where we had enough shared degree interest to make small talk or discuss the classwork.

Who judges people like this based on their grooming practices and hair color? You are missing out on some great people and experiences by stereotyping these young women like you are still in middle school.

A lot of the sororities do.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, this is a thing in the south. The conformist, appearance heavy culture can be so horrible that kids feel they need to transfer. Speaking from personal experience. Cough cough UVA.

I’m not denying that this is the experience of people with certain groups at UVA. But it is not the case throughout the university, which is large and full of all types of students.

The people repeatedly slamming and stereotyping entire universities over the appearance of some sorority girls sound like they never left high school.

+1

Seriously. Use some basic math. Five “stereotypical” sororities with 50 pledges per year is a total of 1,000 kids.

How large are the schools you all are stereotyping? 8,000 kids? 20,000 kids? More? 🤦‍♀️

That is 25% to 10% of the women at these schools.

Yeah, but who pays attention to the people not in your orbit once you get to college?

Saying that these random pretty sorority girls who are not in your kids' social world when they go to a college of thousands or tens of thousands of students are going to ruin your daughter's college experience or saying they scarred you decades later is a very middle school approach to life.

I was a poor kid working multiple jobs at a big state flashship with a very strong and dominant greek life. I only had 3 friends my whole time there that were part of that world. One guy who hung out with my friends at the student union between classes, who I think was from the same high school as a friend. He was very involved in his frat, but was so funny, smart, and interesting. And 2 coworkers who were from the "prettiest" sorority on campus. They were gorgeous and looked the part. But they were awesome. Smart, witty, friendly and kind. Two of the nicest girls I met my entire time in college. We didn't overlap at all socially, but they both enriched my college experience. Other than that, the only greeks I knew were people I casually knew from classes, where we had enough shared degree interest to make small talk or discuss the classwork.

Who judges people like this based on their grooming practices and hair color? You are missing out on some great people and experiences by stereotyping these young women like you are still in middle school.

A lot of the sororities do.

Are you 13?

What they do should matter zero to you if you are a functioning adult.

[Anonymous]

UVa is a hellhole but not as bad as Vanderbilt. Best to stick to HYPSM and top schools in the Northeast.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, this is a thing in the south. The conformist, appearance heavy culture can be so horrible that kids feel they need to transfer. Speaking from personal experience. Cough cough UVA.

I’m not denying that this is the experience of people with certain groups at UVA. But it is not the case throughout the university, which is large and full of all types of students.

The people repeatedly slamming and stereotyping entire universities over the appearance of some sorority girls sound like they never left high school.

+1

Seriously. Use some basic math. Five “stereotypical” sororities with 50 pledges per year is a total of 1,000 kids.

How large are the schools you all are stereotyping? 8,000 kids? 20,000 kids? More? 🤦‍♀️

That is 25% to 10% of the women at these schools.

Yeah, but who pays attention to the people not in your orbit once you get to college?

Saying that these random pretty sorority girls who are not in your kids' social world when they go to a college of thousands or tens of thousands of students are going to ruin your daughter's college experience or saying they scarred you decades later is a very middle school approach to life.

I was a poor kid working multiple jobs at a big state flashship with a very strong and dominant greek life. I only had 3 friends my whole time there that were part of that world. One guy who hung out with my friends at the student union between classes, who I think was from the same high school as a friend. He was very involved in his frat, but was so funny, smart, and interesting. And 2 coworkers who were from the "prettiest" sorority on campus. They were gorgeous and looked the part. But they were awesome. Smart, witty, friendly and kind. Two of the nicest girls I met my entire time in college. We didn't overlap at all socially, but they both enriched my college experience. Other than that, the only greeks I knew were people I casually knew from classes, where we had enough shared degree interest to make small talk or discuss the classwork.

Who judges people like this based on their grooming practices and hair color? You are missing out on some great people and experiences by stereotyping these young women like you are still in middle school.

A lot of the sororities do.

Are you 13?

What they do should matter zero to you if you are a functioning adult.

Do you not understand the point of this thread? Pls read the original post.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's terrible and present at almost all southern schools. Vanderbilt, UVA, SECs are the worst offenders. Some schools like Rice do not have this problem, but most do. Extremely shallow people and rampant, deep-seated lookism.

My UVA daughter ended up pledging a sorority this year. It’s not one of the so-called top tier sororities but she’s found welcoming, kind, fun women there. And it’s not all white women. Just wanted to put that out there. Two of her closest friends are Asian American and they pledged other sororities.
Not saying she should rush but trying to make the point that not all UVA sororities are like the ones described in this thread.

Even Southern schools have smaller sororities that aren’t just focused on looks and finding a husband like it’s 1950. Your daughter made a good decision. Kindness does not describe the White blondes wearing pink only sororities.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, this is a thing in the south. The conformist, appearance heavy culture can be so horrible that kids feel they need to transfer. Speaking from personal experience. Cough cough UVA.

I’m not denying that this is the experience of people with certain groups at UVA. But it is not the case throughout the university, which is large and full of all types of students.

The people repeatedly slamming and stereotyping entire universities over the appearance of some sorority girls sound like they never left high school.

+1

Seriously. Use some basic math. Five “stereotypical” sororities with 50 pledges per year is a total of 1,000 kids.

How large are the schools you all are stereotyping? 8,000 kids? 20,000 kids? More? 🤦‍♀️

That is 25% to 10% of the women at these schools.

Yeah, but who pays attention to the people not in your orbit once you get to college?

Saying that these random pretty sorority girls who are not in your kids' social world when they go to a college of thousands or tens of thousands of students are going to ruin your daughter's college experience or saying they scarred you decades later is a very middle school approach to life.

I was a poor kid working multiple jobs at a big state flashship with a very strong and dominant greek life. I only had 3 friends my whole time there that were part of that world. One guy who hung out with my friends at the student union between classes, who I think was from the same high school as a friend. He was very involved in his frat, but was so funny, smart, and interesting. And 2 coworkers who were from the "prettiest" sorority on campus. They were gorgeous and looked the part. But they were awesome. Smart, witty, friendly and kind. Two of the nicest girls I met my entire time in college. We didn't overlap at all socially, but they both enriched my college experience. Other than that, the only greeks I knew were people I casually knew from classes, where we had enough shared degree interest to make small talk or discuss the classwork.

Who judges people like this based on their grooming practices and hair color? You are missing out on some great people and experiences by stereotyping these young women like you are still in middle school.

You just wrote that there was a pretty sorority. They judged other girls and only accepted who they determined were attractive

Did these gorgeous girls ever invite you to a party or to hang out after work?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Might look at moderate LAC’s like Colgate, Bucknell, Holy Cross, and Colby.

Can't speak for Holy Cross and Colby but Colgate and Bucknell in no way seem like fits for OP's daughter. Both are white, preppy, fratty, Bro-ish.

I think the list was a good list to look at.

We did not get that vibe at all and know kids at all of those schools. They attract a portion of private school kids, but them to have a lot of down to earth kids who do not care what you wore/rushing was not not like the south where they care about how many Cartier bracelets you have in your bracelet stack.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, this is a thing in the south. The conformist, appearance heavy culture can be so horrible that kids feel they need to transfer. Speaking from personal experience. Cough cough UVA.

I’m not denying that this is the experience of people with certain groups at UVA. But it is not the case throughout the university, which is large and full of all types of students.

The people repeatedly slamming and stereotyping entire universities over the appearance of some sorority girls sound like they never left high school.

+1

Seriously. Use some basic math. Five “stereotypical” sororities with 50 pledges per year is a total of 1,000 kids.

How large are the schools you all are stereotyping? 8,000 kids? 20,000 kids? More? 🤦‍♀️

That is 25% to 10% of the women at these schools.

Yeah, but who pays attention to the people not in your orbit once you get to college?

Saying that these random pretty sorority girls who are not in your kids' social world when they go to a college of thousands or tens of thousands of students are going to ruin your daughter's college experience or saying they scarred you decades later is a very middle school approach to life.

I was a poor kid working multiple jobs at a big state flashship with a very strong and dominant greek life. I only had 3 friends my whole time there that were part of that world. One guy who hung out with my friends at the student union between classes, who I think was from the same high school as a friend. He was very involved in his frat, but was so funny, smart, and interesting. And 2 coworkers who were from the "prettiest" sorority on campus. They were gorgeous and looked the part. But they were awesome. Smart, witty, friendly and kind. Two of the nicest girls I met my entire time in college. We didn't overlap at all socially, but they both enriched my college experience. Other than that, the only greeks I knew were people I casually knew from classes, where we had enough shared degree interest to make small talk or discuss the classwork.

Who judges people like this based on their grooming practices and hair color? You are missing out on some great people and experiences by stereotyping these young women like you are still in middle school.

You just wrote that there was a pretty sorority. They judged other girls and only accepted who they determined were attractive

Did these gorgeous girls ever invite you to a party or to hang out after work?

Foyine girls are the most privileged class of people in America. There are plenty of white people living in poverty. Plenty of black people living in poverty. Straight people, gay people, cis, trans, Christian, atheist, all living in poverty. How often do you see a truly foyine girl, like a legitimate dime, living in poverty? Almost never.

Sorority rush, with its frenetic, high-stress process and exclusionary policies, simply prepares young women for this reality.

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We did a full day visit to UVA, with tour, eating out, etc. Walking around, the student body looked and dressed totally normal. It wasn't only gorgeous people or only dressed up people. It looked like a normal cross section of people.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, this is a thing in the south. The conformist, appearance heavy culture can be so horrible that kids feel they need to transfer. Speaking from personal experience. Cough cough UVA.

I’m not denying that this is the experience of people with certain groups at UVA. But it is not the case throughout the university, which is large and full of all types of students.

The people repeatedly slamming and stereotyping entire universities over the appearance of some sorority girls sound like they never left high school.

+1

Seriously. Use some basic math. Five “stereotypical” sororities with 50 pledges per year is a total of 1,000 kids.

How large are the schools you all are stereotyping? 8,000 kids? 20,000 kids? More? 🤦‍♀️

That is 25% to 10% of the women at these schools.

Yeah, but who pays attention to the people not in your orbit once you get to college?

Saying that these random pretty sorority girls who are not in your kids' social world when they go to a college of thousands or tens of thousands of students are going to ruin your daughter's college experience or saying they scarred you decades later is a very middle school approach to life.

I was a poor kid working multiple jobs at a big state flashship with a very strong and dominant greek life. I only had 3 friends my whole time there that were part of that world. One guy who hung out with my friends at the student union between classes, who I think was from the same high school as a friend. He was very involved in his frat, but was so funny, smart, and interesting. And 2 coworkers who were from the "prettiest" sorority on campus. They were gorgeous and looked the part. But they were awesome. Smart, witty, friendly and kind. Two of the nicest girls I met my entire time in college. We didn't overlap at all socially, but they both enriched my college experience. Other than that, the only greeks I knew were people I casually knew from classes, where we had enough shared degree interest to make small talk or discuss the classwork.

Who judges people like this based on their grooming practices and hair color? You are missing out on some great people and experiences by stereotyping these young women like you are still in middle school.

You just wrote that there was a pretty sorority. They judged other girls and only accepted who they determined were attractive

Did these gorgeous girls ever invite you to a party or to hang out after work?

Foyine girls are the most privileged class of people in America. There are plenty of white people living in poverty. Plenty of black people living in poverty. Straight people, gay people, cis, trans, Christian, atheist, all living in poverty. How often do you see a truly foyine girl, like a legitimate dime, living in poverty? Almost never.

Sorority rush, with its frenetic, high-stress process and exclusionary policies, simply prepares young women for this reality.

Oh my God! Aren't you sick and tired of people calling you a loser!??