JMU EA is out

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Anonymous wrote:Marylander here and I agree state public schools should prioritize in-state applicants and require higher stats of out-of-state applicants. I think some VA publics do, including UVA and WM. It’s disappointing when publics prioritize higher OOS tuition over raising the academic caliber of the student body. But I’m not convinced that’s always the case when students with lower grades or SATs get accepted over others that are more competitive on those two metrics. We’re not privy to other equally important parts of the application.

Yes, I believe UVA is mandated to have at least 2/3 of all students to be in-state residents. That is why it is easier to get into UVA as a VA resident, as opposed to being out of state.

I don't know why JMU and VT don't also do something like this?? I assume, as mentioned above, that the higher OOS tuition makes it easier on the budget.

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Honors college acceptance letter is out.

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Anonymous wrote:Marylander here and I agree state public schools should prioritize in-state applicants and require higher stats of out-of-state applicants. I think some VA publics do, including UVA and WM. It’s disappointing when publics prioritize higher OOS tuition over raising the academic caliber of the student body. But I’m not convinced that’s always the case when students with lower grades or SATs get accepted over others that are more competitive on those two metrics. We’re not privy to other equally important parts of the application.

I agree. But when the college website says to aim for at least a 3.6 GPA and A's and B's in core subjects, and posts it average test scores, you would expect the OOS-ers to have more than a 3.5 GPA. They should be 3.9+ and on the higher end of the median range of test scores.

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Anonymous wrote:Marylander here and I agree state public schools should prioritize in-state applicants and require higher stats of out-of-state applicants. I think some VA publics do, including UVA and WM. It’s disappointing when publics prioritize higher OOS tuition over raising the academic caliber of the student body. But I’m not convinced that’s always the case when students with lower grades or SATs get accepted over others that are more competitive on those two metrics. We’re not privy to other equally important parts of the application.

I agree. But when the college website says to aim for at least a 3.6 GPA and A's and B's in core subjects, and posts it average test scores, you would expect the OOS-ers to have more than a 3.5 GPA. They should be 3.9+ and on the higher end of the median range of test scores.

Only like 30% of JMU enrolled students actually submit scores. Hard to enforce this if 70% don't even submit (which includes a bunch of OOS folks too).

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Anonymous wrote:I will be over the moon if any of my three kids go to JMU!!! I went there in the 90’s as did my sister. Both of us have great careers and absolutely loved our time there.

One of the reasons I love hiring JMU grads is they don’t think their sh*t doesn’t smell.

Wow. That reflects highly on JMU. Eloquently stated.

Perfect reflection of the poster's point. JMU isn't full of elitist judgy snobs.

I don't get these comments. It isn't full of elitist judgey snobs because elitist judgey snobs can get into much higher-ranked schools.

Not a reflection on JMU but merely how the world works. Iowa State and University of Oregon and Colorado State (all generally the same rank) also aren't filled with elitist judgey snobs. GMU and VCU I gather are also not filled with elitist judgey snobs.

Is this all a veiled snipe at UVA or something?

Even among higher ranked schools, some are more known for their elitist judgy snob vibe—like Duke and, yes, UVA. High stats kids need not automatically be elitist snobs.

Many people on this site who are obsessed with rankings like to sneer at a school like JMU. What these comments are saying is that, yes, we know that our kids’ stats are not high enough for some schools, but we’re fine with that because we prefer the culture of the lower ranked school anyway.

Does that help?

DP. I would add that some of us JMU parents of students with stats that ARE high enough for some other schools also prefer the culture of the "lower ranked" school anyway. As PP said, high stats need not equal elitist snob.

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Anonymous wrote:Marylander here and I agree state public schools should prioritize in-state applicants and require higher stats of out-of-state applicants. I think some VA publics do, including UVA and WM. It’s disappointing when publics prioritize higher OOS tuition over raising the academic caliber of the student body. But I’m not convinced that’s always the case when students with lower grades or SATs get accepted over others that are more competitive on those two metrics. We’re not privy to other equally important parts of the application.

Yes, I believe UVA is mandated to have at least 2/3 of all students to be in-state residents. That is why it is easier to get into UVA as a VA resident, as opposed to being out of state.

I don't know why JMU and VT don't also do something like this?? I assume, as mentioned above, that the higher OOS tuition makes it easier on the budget.

the vast majority of JMU students are in-state students, more than UVA's 2/3. UVA probably had to implement the quota because they were getting too close to too many OOS students.

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Anonymous wrote:I will be over the moon if any of my three kids go to JMU!!! I went there in the 90’s as did my sister. Both of us have great careers and absolutely loved our time there.

One of the reasons I love hiring JMU grads is they don’t think their sh*t doesn’t smell.

Wow. That reflects highly on JMU. Eloquently stated.

Perfect reflection of the poster's point. JMU isn't full of elitist judgy snobs.

I don't get these comments. It isn't full of elitist judgey snobs because elitist judgey snobs can get into much higher-ranked schools.

Not a reflection on JMU but merely how the world works. Iowa State and University of Oregon and Colorado State (all generally the same rank) also aren't filled with elitist judgey snobs. GMU and VCU I gather are also not filled with elitist judgey snobs.

Is this all a veiled snipe at UVA or something?

Even among higher ranked schools, some are more known for their elitist judgy snob vibe—like Duke and, yes, UVA. High stats kids need not automatically be elitist snobs.

Many people on this site who are obsessed with rankings like to sneer at a school like JMU. What these comments are saying is that, yes, we know that our kids’ stats are not high enough for some schools, but we’re fine with that because we prefer the culture of the lower ranked school anyway.

Does that help?

DP. I would add that some of us JMU parents of students with stats that ARE high enough for some other schools also prefer the culture of the "lower ranked" school anyway. As PP said, high stats need not equal elitist snob.

I would also note that when new graduates of highly rated schools end up at Booz Allen or SAIC with JMU grads, their snobbery manifests even harder because they aren’t sure what they spent $350k on.

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Anonymous wrote:I will be over the moon if any of my three kids go to JMU!!! I went there in the 90’s as did my sister. Both of us have great careers and absolutely loved our time there.

One of the reasons I love hiring JMU grads is they don’t think their sh*t doesn’t smell.

Wow. That reflects highly on JMU. Eloquently stated.

Perfect reflection of the poster's point. JMU isn't full of elitist judgy snobs.

I don't get these comments. It isn't full of elitist judgey snobs because elitist judgey snobs can get into much higher-ranked schools.

Not a reflection on JMU but merely how the world works. Iowa State and University of Oregon and Colorado State (all generally the same rank) also aren't filled with elitist judgey snobs. GMU and VCU I gather are also not filled with elitist judgey snobs.

Is this all a veiled snipe at UVA or something?

Even among higher ranked schools, some are more known for their elitist judgy snob vibe—like Duke and, yes, UVA. High stats kids need not automatically be elitist snobs.

Many people on this site who are obsessed with rankings like to sneer at a school like JMU. What these comments are saying is that, yes, we know that our kids’ stats are not high enough for some schools, but we’re fine with that because we prefer the culture of the lower ranked school anyway.

Does that help?

DP. I would add that some of us JMU parents of students with stats that ARE high enough for some other schools also prefer the culture of the "lower ranked" school anyway. As PP said, high stats need not equal elitist snob.

I would also note that when new graduates of highly rated schools end up at Booz Allen or SAIC with JMU grads, their snobbery manifests even harder because they aren’t sure what they spent $350k on.

But in all honesty...they don't end up at McKinsey, or Citadel or Goldman Sachs or Blackstone with JMU grads...which is why their snobbery exists to start.

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Anonymous wrote:Marylander here and I agree state public schools should prioritize in-state applicants and require higher stats of out-of-state applicants. I think some VA publics do, including UVA and WM. It’s disappointing when publics prioritize higher OOS tuition over raising the academic caliber of the student body. But I’m not convinced that’s always the case when students with lower grades or SATs get accepted over others that are more competitive on those two metrics. We’re not privy to other equally important parts of the application.

I agree. But when the college website says to aim for at least a 3.6 GPA and A's and B's in core subjects, and posts it average test scores, you would expect the OOS-ers to have more than a 3.5 GPA. They should be 3.9+ and on the higher end of the median range of test scores.

Only like 30% of JMU enrolled students actually submit scores. Hard to enforce this if 70% don't even submit (which includes a bunch of OOS folks too).

They could require test scores from OOS applicants. If you have different minimum standards, you can require additional information. Personally, I think JMU needs to re-think the "optional" for an essay/personal statement and "optional" letter of recommendation. They should up their application requirements for in-state. It would seem less "random" to those deferred or rejected.

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Anonymous wrote:I will be over the moon if any of my three kids go to JMU!!! I went there in the 90’s as did my sister. Both of us have great careers and absolutely loved our time there.

One of the reasons I love hiring JMU grads is they don’t think their sh*t doesn’t smell.

Wow. That reflects highly on JMU. Eloquently stated.

Perfect reflection of the poster's point. JMU isn't full of elitist judgy snobs.

I don't get these comments. It isn't full of elitist judgey snobs because elitist judgey snobs can get into much higher-ranked schools.

Not a reflection on JMU but merely how the world works. Iowa State and University of Oregon and Colorado State (all generally the same rank) also aren't filled with elitist judgey snobs. GMU and VCU I gather are also not filled with elitist judgey snobs.

Is this all a veiled snipe at UVA or something?

Even among higher ranked schools, some are more known for their elitist judgy snob vibe—like Duke and, yes, UVA. High stats kids need not automatically be elitist snobs.

Many people on this site who are obsessed with rankings like to sneer at a school like JMU. What these comments are saying is that, yes, we know that our kids’ stats are not high enough for some schools, but we’re fine with that because we prefer the culture of the lower ranked school anyway.

Does that help?

DP. I would add that some of us JMU parents of students with stats that ARE high enough for some other schools also prefer the culture of the "lower ranked" school anyway. As PP said, high stats need not equal elitist snob.

I would also note that when new graduates of highly rated schools end up at Booz Allen or SAIC with JMU grads, their snobbery manifests even harder because they aren’t sure what they spent $350k on.

But in all honesty...they don't end up at McKinsey, or Citadel or Goldman Sachs or Blackstone with JMU grads...which is why their snobbery exists to start.

I like that so many JMU grads are focused on altruism and out there in the world working at places that need their help, where they aren't a dime a dozen - rather than superficial name recognition competing for the highest bank account balance.

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Anonymous wrote:Marylander here and I agree state public schools should prioritize in-state applicants and require higher stats of out-of-state applicants. I think some VA publics do, including UVA and WM. It’s disappointing when publics prioritize higher OOS tuition over raising the academic caliber of the student body. But I’m not convinced that’s always the case when students with lower grades or SATs get accepted over others that are more competitive on those two metrics. We’re not privy to other equally important parts of the application.

Yes, I believe UVA is mandated to have at least 2/3 of all students to be in-state residents. That is why it is easier to get into UVA as a VA resident, as opposed to being out of state.

I don't know why JMU and VT don't also do something like this?? I assume, as mentioned above, that the higher OOS tuition makes it easier on the budget.

the vast majority of JMU students are in-state students, more than UVA's 2/3. UVA probably had to implement the quota because they were getting too close to too many OOS students.

Yes. According to collegefactual, at JMU, 74.2% are in-state. VT had 66.7% in-state.

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Anonymous wrote:Acceptance is very school dependent, and in my Fairfax County school Naviance data (McLean/Langley), a 3.6 gpa is not a safety or a slam dunk by any means. Even with a 34 ACT.

Interesting because I'm looking at Gonzaga scattergram and last year everyone with 3.2 and over got in, regardless of test scores (scores ranged from 1030-1500 but I'm not going to check who was test optional bc there are a ton of kids who applied), So a 3.6 with 34 GPA would absolutely be a slam dunk

FCPS Naviance shows weighted GPA, so not a direct comparison. I have a student at McLean/Langley and a weighted GPA over 3.5 and SAT over 1350 was a near guarantee for 2024.

You are not looking at the same scattergram I am looking at. 3.5 did not get anyone in.

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Anonymous wrote:I will be over the moon if any of my three kids go to JMU!!! I went there in the 90’s as did my sister. Both of us have great careers and absolutely loved our time there.

One of the reasons I love hiring JMU grads is they don’t think their sh*t doesn’t smell.

Wow. That reflects highly on JMU. Eloquently stated.

Perfect reflection of the poster's point. JMU isn't full of elitist judgy snobs.

I don't get these comments. It isn't full of elitist judgey snobs because elitist judgey snobs can get into much higher-ranked schools.

Not a reflection on JMU but merely how the world works. Iowa State and University of Oregon and Colorado State (all generally the same rank) also aren't filled with elitist judgey snobs. GMU and VCU I gather are also not filled with elitist judgey snobs.

Is this all a veiled snipe at UVA or something?

Even among higher ranked schools, some are more known for their elitist judgy snob vibe—like Duke and, yes, UVA. High stats kids need not automatically be elitist snobs.

Many people on this site who are obsessed with rankings like to sneer at a school like JMU. What these comments are saying is that, yes, we know that our kids’ stats are not high enough for some schools, but we’re fine with that because we prefer the culture of the lower ranked school anyway.

Does that help?

DP. I would add that some of us JMU parents of students with stats that ARE high enough for some other schools also prefer the culture of the "lower ranked" school anyway. As PP said, high stats need not equal elitist snob.

I would also note that when new graduates of highly rated schools end up at Booz Allen or SAIC with JMU grads, their snobbery manifests even harder because they aren’t sure what they spent $350k on. [/quote]

But in all honesty...they don't end up at McKinsey, or Citadel or Goldman Sachs or Blackstone with JMU grads...which is why their snobbery exists to start.

You lack reading comprehension. Like, this completely went over your head. PP said Booz Allen and SAIC. We aren’t talking about the selective places you listed. Hence the comment, “ their snobbery manifests even harder because they aren’t sure what they spent $350k on.” But you got your shot in about JMU! Thanks for continuing to prove the point about snobs.

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Anonymous wrote:I will be over the moon if any of my three kids go to JMU!!! I went there in the 90’s as did my sister. Both of us have great careers and absolutely loved our time there.

One of the reasons I love hiring JMU grads is they don’t think their sh*t doesn’t smell.

Wow. That reflects highly on JMU. Eloquently stated.

Perfect reflection of the poster's point. JMU isn't full of elitist judgy snobs.

I don't get these comments. It isn't full of elitist judgey snobs because elitist judgey snobs can get into much higher-ranked schools.

Not a reflection on JMU but merely how the world works. Iowa State and University of Oregon and Colorado State (all generally the same rank) also aren't filled with elitist judgey snobs. GMU and VCU I gather are also not filled with elitist judgey snobs.

Is this all a veiled snipe at UVA or something?

Even among higher ranked schools, some are more known for their elitist judgy snob vibe—like Duke and, yes, UVA. High stats kids need not automatically be elitist snobs.

Many people on this site who are obsessed with rankings like to sneer at a school like JMU. What these comments are saying is that, yes, we know that our kids’ stats are not high enough for some schools, but we’re fine with that because we prefer the culture of the lower ranked school anyway.

Does that help?

DP. I would add that some of us JMU parents of students with stats that ARE high enough for some other schools also prefer the culture of the "lower ranked" school anyway. As PP said, high stats need not equal elitist snob.

I would also note that when new graduates of highly rated schools end up at Booz Allen or SAIC with JMU grads, their snobbery manifests even harder because they aren’t sure what they spent $350k on.

But in all honesty...they don't end up at McKinsey, or Citadel or Goldman Sachs or Blackstone with JMU grads...which is why their snobbery exists to start.

I would be disappointed if my kid went to work for McKinsey.

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I agree. But when the college website says to aim for at least a 3.6 GPA and A's and B's in core subjects, and posts it average test scores, you would expect the OOS-ers to have more than a 3.5 GPA. They should be 3.9+ and on the higher end of the median range of test scores.

This was my issue with JMU last year. It's one thing to admit more OOS students for $$ purposes but to have an entirely different standard for OOS feels different as a taxpayer. NoVA kids with way higher GPAs (sometimes as much as 1.0 difference) and more rigor are passed up for OOS students with zero AP/DE and GPA (many less than 3.5). These OOS stats I'm referring to are posted by parents on a FB group for "average" college applicants. I do know that it works this way in other states too with OOS kids needing less than instate for places like Rutgers (and sounds like PSU now).