Bus driver playing Christian Music

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Anonymous wrote:Who is this really bothering? Are your non-Christian kids really this intolerant that they can’t listen to Christian music? I really don’t get why that would make anyone uncomfortable unless they are really really intolerant of other beliefs.

I love music from all religions. It’s fun to listen to.

If the bus driver is sitting there lecturing kids and trying to convert them, that would be a totally different answer from me, but this is kind of ridiculous.

We have a bus driver shortage. Complain about unsafe bus drivers, not ones playing some music.

It’s not intolerance, there are lots of Christians in positions of power trying to push the limits of the establishment clause all the time. They are well funded and organized and continuously bringing cases like the recent football coach one and passing laws like the Bible teaching law in Ohio. The only way (and the best way imo, in our best available system) to combat that is to also fight (legally) constantly over where the line is and should be. I think it’s fair to say that people don’t really care that much about whatever the particular thing in each of these cases is, it’s more about the continual tug of war over the whole concept. I think the bus music thing is probably a bad choice of battlefield and that’s why I would leave it alone.

There are like zero Christians in power on the Fairfax County school board, and very few Christians on the board of supervisors.

You are using a fake argument.

Teach your kids tolerance.

Why is it always christians wanting tolerance toward them, but not remotely sharing the sentiment in the reverse?

Not true. Christians tolerate a lot.

Ummm ok

Again, there are prayer rooms in schools and we all know who they are intended for. Not Christians. Also the same people who use the rooms also have full employee accommodations during the day to use it when requested. No other religion is getting a 30 minute “prayer” break in their day.

It does NOT take 30 minutes to do a few rakat, even including wudu. That seems like an abuse of tolerance to me. 15 minutes should be enough time to wash up, pray and get back to class/office.

That's ridiculous. Not to mention the fact that you can make up prayer and Muslims in America have been doing it for decades. If it is disrupting the school day and/or other religions aren't getting similar accommodations, it should be scrapped. If it's that serious, go to an Islamic school. Imagine Catholics coming late/dipping out early for mass every day.

lol. Catholic school exists.

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TBH, the local DC Christian station (WGTS) is so tepid and bland, you could hardly distinguish it from mainstream pop.

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Anonymous wrote:First show me in the constitution where is says separation of church and state. Ill wait

It's called the Establishment Clause if you want to educate yourself - the first part of the very first amendment to the Constitution. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

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Anonymous wrote:Who is this really bothering? Are your non-Christian kids really this intolerant that they can’t listen to Christian music? I really don’t get why that would make anyone uncomfortable unless they are really really intolerant of other beliefs.

I love music from all religions. It’s fun to listen to.

If the bus driver is sitting there lecturing kids and trying to convert them, that would be a totally different answer from me, but this is kind of ridiculous.

We have a bus driver shortage. Complain about unsafe bus drivers, not ones playing some music.

It’s not intolerance, there are lots of Christians in positions of power trying to push the limits of the establishment clause all the time. They are well funded and organized and continuously bringing cases like the recent football coach one and passing laws like the Bible teaching law in Ohio. The only way (and the best way imo, in our best available system) to combat that is to also fight (legally) constantly over where the line is and should be. I think it’s fair to say that people don’t really care that much about whatever the particular thing in each of these cases is, it’s more about the continual tug of war over the whole concept. I think the bus music thing is probably a bad choice of battlefield and that’s why I would leave it alone.

There are like zero Christians in power on the Fairfax County school board, and very few Christians on the board of supervisors.

You are using a fake argument.

Teach your kids tolerance.

Why is it always christians wanting tolerance toward them, but not remotely sharing the sentiment in the reverse?

Not true. Christians tolerate a lot.

Ummm ok

Again, there are prayer rooms in schools and we all know who they are intended for. Not Christians. Also the same people who use the rooms also have full employee accommodations during the day to use it when requested. No other religion is getting a 30 minute “prayer” break in their day.

Completely agree.

During her time as a FCPS School Board member, Abrar Omeish worked very hard to push for this, as did last year’s student representative to the school board. The accommodation for prayer areas and time during school hours does interfere with space and may even represent a schedule disruption to the non-Muslim population in FCPS schools. However, the only uproar I see here is because a bus driver was listening to Christian music?

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Anonymous wrote:First show me in the constitution where is says separation of church and state. Ill wait

It's called the Establishment Clause if you want to educate yourself - the first part of the very first amendment to the Constitution. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

Somehow, I don't think playing Christian music on a school bus is "establishment of religion."

I do think that we have trouble getting school bus drivers and if this makes her happy, let her listen. It's probably to drown out the kids and she likely knows there are no offensive words being played.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is this really bothering? Are your non-Christian kids really this intolerant that they can’t listen to Christian music? I really don’t get why that would make anyone uncomfortable unless they are really really intolerant of other beliefs.

I love music from all religions. It’s fun to listen to.

If the bus driver is sitting there lecturing kids and trying to convert them, that would be a totally different answer from me, but this is kind of ridiculous.

We have a bus driver shortage. Complain about unsafe bus drivers, not ones playing some music.

It’s not intolerance, there are lots of Christians in positions of power trying to push the limits of the establishment clause all the time. They are well funded and organized and continuously bringing cases like the recent football coach one and passing laws like the Bible teaching law in Ohio. The only way (and the best way imo, in our best available system) to combat that is to also fight (legally) constantly over where the line is and should be. I think it’s fair to say that people don’t really care that much about whatever the particular thing in each of these cases is, it’s more about the continual tug of war over the whole concept. I think the bus music thing is probably a bad choice of battlefield and that’s why I would leave it alone.

There are like zero Christians in power on the Fairfax County school board, and very few Christians on the board of supervisors.

You are using a fake argument.

Teach your kids tolerance.

Why is it always christians wanting tolerance toward them, but not remotely sharing the sentiment in the reverse?

Not true. Christians tolerate a lot.

Ummm ok

Again, there are prayer rooms in schools and we all know who they are intended for. Not Christians. Also the same people who use the rooms also have full employee accommodations during the day to use it when requested. No other religion is getting a 30 minute “prayer” break in their day.

It does NOT take 30 minutes to do a few rakat, even including wudu. That seems like an abuse of tolerance to me. 15 minutes should be enough time to wash up, pray and get back to class/office.

That's ridiculous. Not to mention the fact that you can make up prayer and Muslims in America have been doing it for decades. If it is disrupting the school day and/or other religions aren't getting similar accommodations, it should be scrapped. If it's that serious, go to an Islamic school. Imagine Catholics coming late/dipping out early for mass every day.

lol. Catholic school exists.

Their a minority your not, show some respect. A lot of xenophobia and bigotry against other immigrants and their languages/religions here.

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Again, there are prayer rooms in schools and we all know who they are intended for. Not Christians. Also the same people who use the rooms also have full employee accommodations during the day to use it when requested. No other religion is getting a 30 minute “prayer” break in their day.

Christians are apparently supposed to pray 7x per day: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_prayer_times

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Why is it always christians wanting tolerance toward them, but not remotely sharing the sentiment in the reverse?

Not true. Christians tolerate a lot.

This brings to mind when the Satanic Temple asked to hold an after school club because Christians were allowed to have one at a Virginia School. The local Christians *called in a bomb threat* to prevent the Satanic Temple from being allowed to meet, and then the school tried to throw the Satanic Temple club out because it's existence was "disruptive". This is the picture of Christian tolerance that we see.

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Anonymous wrote:Their a minority your not, show some respect.

It's disastrously stupid takes like this that are the reason our country is such a mess right now.

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Anonymous wrote:Their a minority your not, show some respect.

It's disastrously stupid takes like this that are the reason our country is such a mess right now.

Good, that's what Dems deserve if your unwilling to be left enough to include others, and only care about winning.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is this really bothering? Are your non-Christian kids really this intolerant that they can’t listen to Christian music? I really don’t get why that would make anyone uncomfortable unless they are really really intolerant of other beliefs.

I love music from all religions. It’s fun to listen to.

If the bus driver is sitting there lecturing kids and trying to convert them, that would be a totally different answer from me, but this is kind of ridiculous.

We have a bus driver shortage. Complain about unsafe bus drivers, not ones playing some music.

It’s not intolerance, there are lots of Christians in positions of power trying to push the limits of the establishment clause all the time. They are well funded and organized and continuously bringing cases like the recent football coach one and passing laws like the Bible teaching law in Ohio. The only way (and the best way imo, in our best available system) to combat that is to also fight (legally) constantly over where the line is and should be. I think it’s fair to say that people don’t really care that much about whatever the particular thing in each of these cases is, it’s more about the continual tug of war over the whole concept. I think the bus music thing is probably a bad choice of battlefield and that’s why I would leave it alone.

There are like zero Christians in power on the Fairfax County school board, and very few Christians on the board of supervisors.

You are using a fake argument.

Teach your kids tolerance.

Why is it always christians wanting tolerance toward them, but not remotely sharing the sentiment in the reverse?

Not true. Christians tolerate a lot.

Ummm ok

Again, there are prayer rooms in schools and we all know who they are intended for. Not Christians. Also the same people who use the rooms also have full employee accommodations during the day to use it when requested. No other religion is getting a 30 minute “prayer” break in their day.

It does NOT take 30 minutes to do a few rakat, even including wudu. That seems like an abuse of tolerance to me. 15 minutes should be enough time to wash up, pray and get back to class/office.

That's ridiculous. Not to mention the fact that you can make up prayer and Muslims in America have been doing it for decades. If it is disrupting the school day and/or other religions aren't getting similar accommodations, it should be scrapped. If it's that serious, go to an Islamic school. Imagine Catholics coming late/dipping out early for mass every day.

lol. Catholic school exists.

Their a minority your not, show some respect. A lot of xenophobia and bigotry against other immigrants and their languages/religions here.

Assimilation is a thing.

As for me not being a minority, you are incorrect.

Even if I were not, the point still stands. It would be disruptive to have kids constantly getting up and leaving class every day. The time of prayer changes and most of the time only the noonish prayer would be during the school day. Likely most kids just wait and make prayer up at home rather than getting up and leaving in the middle of a test or their classmate's book report etc.

Reasonable accommodations are a lovely thing and a feature of our American way of life. A great deal of assimilation is necessary so that we can all be Americans with one strong culture (and regional/religion/ethnic variation, but it can't be too great).

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Anonymous wrote:Who is this really bothering? Are your non-Christian kids really this intolerant that they can’t listen to Christian music? I really don’t get why that would make anyone uncomfortable unless they are really really intolerant of other beliefs.

I love music from all religions. It’s fun to listen to.

If the bus driver is sitting there lecturing kids and trying to convert them, that would be a totally different answer from me, but this is kind of ridiculous.

We have a bus driver shortage. Complain about unsafe bus drivers, not ones playing some music.

It’s not intolerance, there are lots of Christians in positions of power trying to push the limits of the establishment clause all the time. They are well funded and organized and continuously bringing cases like the recent football coach one and passing laws like the Bible teaching law in Ohio. The only way (and the best way imo, in our best available system) to combat that is to also fight (legally) constantly over where the line is and should be. I think it’s fair to say that people don’t really care that much about whatever the particular thing in each of these cases is, it’s more about the continual tug of war over the whole concept. I think the bus music thing is probably a bad choice of battlefield and that’s why I would leave it alone.

There are like zero Christians in power on the Fairfax County school board, and very few Christians on the board of supervisors.

You are using a fake argument.

Teach your kids tolerance.

Why is it always christians wanting tolerance toward them, but not remotely sharing the sentiment in the reverse?

Not true. Christians tolerate a lot.

Ummm ok

Again, there are prayer rooms in schools and we all know who they are intended for. Not Christians. Also the same people who use the rooms also have full employee accommodations during the day to use it when requested. No other religion is getting a 30 minute “prayer” break in their day.

It does NOT take 30 minutes to do a few rakat, even including wudu. That seems like an abuse of tolerance to me. 15 minutes should be enough time to wash up, pray and get back to class/office.

That's ridiculous. Not to mention the fact that you can make up prayer and Muslims in America have been doing it for decades. If it is disrupting the school day and/or other religions aren't getting similar accommodations, it should be scrapped. If it's that serious, go to an Islamic school. Imagine Catholics coming late/dipping out early for mass every day.

lol. Catholic school exists.

Their a minority your not, show some respect. A lot of xenophobia and bigotry against other immigrants and their languages/religions here.

Assimilation is a thing.

As for me not being a minority, you are incorrect.

Even if I were not, the point still stands. It would be disruptive to have kids constantly getting up and leaving class every day. The time of prayer changes and most of the time only the noonish prayer would be during the school day. Likely most kids just wait and make prayer up at home rather than getting up and leaving in the middle of a test or their classmate's book report etc.

Reasonable accommodations are a lovely thing and a feature of our American way of life. A great deal of assimilation is necessary so that we can all be Americans with one strong culture (and regional/religion/ethnic variation, but it can't be too great).

Do the kids actually get up during class to go pray?

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Anonymous wrote:Who is this really bothering? Are your non-Christian kids really this intolerant that they can’t listen to Christian music? I really don’t get why that would make anyone uncomfortable unless they are really really intolerant of other beliefs.

I love music from all religions. It’s fun to listen to.

If the bus driver is sitting there lecturing kids and trying to convert them, that would be a totally different answer from me, but this is kind of ridiculous.

We have a bus driver shortage. Complain about unsafe bus drivers, not ones playing some music.

It’s not intolerance, there are lots of Christians in positions of power trying to push the limits of the establishment clause all the time. They are well funded and organized and continuously bringing cases like the recent football coach one and passing laws like the Bible teaching law in Ohio. The only way (and the best way imo, in our best available system) to combat that is to also fight (legally) constantly over where the line is and should be. I think it’s fair to say that people don’t really care that much about whatever the particular thing in each of these cases is, it’s more about the continual tug of war over the whole concept. I think the bus music thing is probably a bad choice of battlefield and that’s why I would leave it alone.

There are like zero Christians in power on the Fairfax County school board, and very few Christians on the board of supervisors.

You are using a fake argument.

Teach your kids tolerance.

Why is it always christians wanting tolerance toward them, but not remotely sharing the sentiment in the reverse?

Not true. Christians tolerate a lot.

Ummm ok

Again, there are prayer rooms in schools and we all know who they are intended for. Not Christians. Also the same people who use the rooms also have full employee accommodations during the day to use it when requested. No other religion is getting a 30 minute “prayer” break in their day.

It does NOT take 30 minutes to do a few rakat, even including wudu. That seems like an abuse of tolerance to me. 15 minutes should be enough time to wash up, pray and get back to class/office.

That's ridiculous. Not to mention the fact that you can make up prayer and Muslims in America have been doing it for decades. If it is disrupting the school day and/or other religions aren't getting similar accommodations, it should be scrapped. If it's that serious, go to an Islamic school. Imagine Catholics coming late/dipping out early for mass every day.

lol. Catholic school exists.

Their a minority your not, show some respect. A lot of xenophobia and bigotry against other immigrants and their languages/religions here.

Assimilation is a thing.

As for me not being a minority, you are incorrect.

Even if I were not, the point still stands. It would be disruptive to have kids constantly getting up and leaving class every day. The time of prayer changes and most of the time only the noonish prayer would be during the school day. Likely most kids just wait and make prayer up at home rather than getting up and leaving in the middle of a test or their classmate's book report etc.

Reasonable accommodations are a lovely thing and a feature of our American way of life. A great deal of assimilation is necessary so that we can all be Americans with one strong culture (and regional/religion/ethnic variation, but it can't be too great).

This is exactly my point, already assuming their not Americans, and I don't know why another religious group being able to do their prayers freely has anything to do with another playing their music. Them praying does not interfere with your life but that music does, it is bigoted.

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Anonymous wrote:First show me in the constitution where is says separation of church and state. Ill wait

It's called the Establishment Clause if you want to educate yourself - the first part of the very first amendment to the Constitution. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

You know what an establishment of relgion is right? It's something several of the colonies had, that is an established, aka a "state" religion. That is to say that several ofthe new states had a state church, and they all weren't the same church. As such, they didn't want a federal church for all of the states, an until the adoption of the 14th amendment, having a state church wasn't aproblem.

Relgious tests, state churches, and collecting taxes on behalf of the church wasn't a problem at all for much of the early united states.

To this day there is no established church in the USA, indeed there's no prohibition on teh government having any involvement with ANY religion as a whole.

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just don't be upset when your student is failing a class because they miss 30 minutes of instruction or 30 minutes of test/quiz time 2-3 times a week because they are in the prayer room.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is this really bothering? Are your non-Christian kids really this intolerant that they can’t listen to Christian music? I really don’t get why that would make anyone uncomfortable unless they are really really intolerant of other beliefs.

I love music from all religions. It’s fun to listen to.

If the bus driver is sitting there lecturing kids and trying to convert them, that would be a totally different answer from me, but this is kind of ridiculous.

We have a bus driver shortage. Complain about unsafe bus drivers, not ones playing some music.

It’s not intolerance, there are lots of Christians in positions of power trying to push the limits of the establishment clause all the time. They are well funded and organized and continuously bringing cases like the recent football coach one and passing laws like the Bible teaching law in Ohio. The only way (and the best way imo, in our best available system) to combat that is to also fight (legally) constantly over where the line is and should be. I think it’s fair to say that people don’t really care that much about whatever the particular thing in each of these cases is, it’s more about the continual tug of war over the whole concept. I think the bus music thing is probably a bad choice of battlefield and that’s why I would leave it alone.

There are like zero Christians in power on the Fairfax County school board, and very few Christians on the board of supervisors.

You are using a fake argument.

Teach your kids tolerance.

Why is it always christians wanting tolerance toward them, but not remotely sharing the sentiment in the reverse?

Not true. Christians tolerate a lot.

Ummm ok

Again, there are prayer rooms in schools and we all know who they are intended for. Not Christians. Also the same people who use the rooms also have full employee accommodations during the day to use it when requested. No other religion is getting a 30 minute “prayer” break in their day.

It does NOT take 30 minutes to do a few rakat, even including wudu. That seems like an abuse of tolerance to me. 15 minutes should be enough time to wash up, pray and get back to class/office.

That's ridiculous. Not to mention the fact that you can make up prayer and Muslims in America have been doing it for decades. If it is disrupting the school day and/or other religions aren't getting similar accommodations, it should be scrapped. If it's that serious, go to an Islamic school. Imagine Catholics coming late/dipping out early for mass every day.

lol. Catholic school exists.

Their a minority your not, show some respect. A lot of xenophobia and bigotry against other immigrants and their languages/religions here.

Assimilation is a thing.

As for me not being a minority, you are incorrect.

Even if I were not, the point still stands. It would be disruptive to have kids constantly getting up and leaving class every day. The time of prayer changes and most of the time only the noonish prayer would be during the school day. Likely most kids just wait and make prayer up at home rather than getting up and leaving in the middle of a test or their classmate's book report etc.

Reasonable accommodations are a lovely thing and a feature of our American way of life. A great deal of assimilation is necessary so that we can all be Americans with one strong culture (and regional/religion/ethnic variation, but it can't be too great).

Do the kids actually get up during class to go pray?

I doubt it.

Why would you leave in the middle of your geometry test, or tell the teacher you can't take it because you have to make the noon prayer, only to have to go to the trouble of making up the geometry test later when you can just make the prayer up at home that afternoon?

Why would you miss instructional time in AP Physics to go down the hall up the stairs and around the corner to pray, when you can just make the prayer up at home later?

I actually don't think it's a bad thing to have a small room set aside for kids to do their noon prayer right after school or before their soccer games or whatever, provided the various categories of Christian kids also get a small non-denominational room if they want to pray at any given time, and you have a quiet room for the Buddhists (preferably one with a window that faces trees/nice landscaping) one for the Hindus etc. etc. Lots of kids might appreciate a space to go and still their minds in the middle of the day or after a long day at school, before their practices/band rehearsals/student government meetings.

Again, you have to have the extra space, and you have to provide the same to all the various religions.