Top traffic cameras bring in $1 million PER WEEK

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Anonymous wrote:I’m middle class, I drive the SL so I don’t pay this stupidity tax. And enforcing speed limits IS about safety.

Drive the SL OP.

The problem is that speed cameras don't enforce speed limits, especially if you are a VA or MD driver. On the contrary, speed bumps actually enforce speed limits.

What a great argument for speed-camera reciprocity.

-Maryland resident

There is reciprocity between DC, MD, and VA, but only for tickets issued by police officers. The law doesn't allow reciprocity for speed cameras tickets.

Maryland and Virginia could enter into reciprocal agreements with DC, and should do so.

https://lims.dccouncil.gov/downloads/LIMS/47968/Introduction/RC24-0078-Introduction.pdf

Virginia And Maryland Rebuffed D.C.’s Request To Force Drivers To Pay Traffic Camera Tickets

https://dcist.com/story/21/10/08/virginia-and-maryland-rebuff-dc-request-to-force-drivers-to-pay-traffic-camera-tickets/#

Tickets written by police are subject to reciprocity under the Non-Resident Violators Compact, in which 44 states (including Maryland, Virginia, and D.C.) participate. But the automated ticket cameras are not included under those agreements.

Right. That needs to change.

It should change, but it will never change. That change would be a political harakiri for MD and VA politicians. "The District has hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of outstanding fines at stake, which could prove challenging for neighboring politicians who don’t want to appear to be doing the District’s bidding, city officials said."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2021/12/28/dc-virginia-maryland-ticket-reciprocity/

It should change, and it can change. There's already reciprocity for non-automated citations. I'm sure Maryland and Virginia elected officials want DC drivers in Maryland and Virginia to have to pay their automated citations. So there you go: reciprocity.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m middle class, I drive the SL so I don’t pay this stupidity tax. And enforcing speed limits IS about safety.

Drive the SL OP.

The problem is that speed cameras don't enforce speed limits, especially if you are a VA or MD driver. On the contrary, speed bumps actually enforce speed limits.

What a great argument for speed-camera reciprocity.

-Maryland resident

There is reciprocity between DC, MD, and VA, but only for tickets issued by police officers. The law doesn't allow reciprocity for speed cameras tickets.

Isn't MD's camera fine like $40, while DC's is $125? No reason for reciprocity when the fines are so different. Not enough upside for MD.

Maryland and Virginia could enter into reciprocal agreements with DC, and should do so.

https://lims.dccouncil.gov/downloads/LIMS/47968/Introduction/RC24-0078-Introduction.pdf

Virginia And Maryland Rebuffed D.C.’s Request To Force Drivers To Pay Traffic Camera Tickets

https://dcist.com/story/21/10/08/virginia-and-maryland-rebuff-dc-request-to-force-drivers-to-pay-traffic-camera-tickets/#

Tickets written by police are subject to reciprocity under the Non-Resident Violators Compact, in which 44 states (including Maryland, Virginia, and D.C.) participate. But the automated ticket cameras are not included under those agreements.

Right. That needs to change.

It should change, but it will never change. That change would be a political harakiri for MD and VA politicians. "The District has hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of outstanding fines at stake, which could prove challenging for neighboring politicians who don’t want to appear to be doing the District’s bidding, city officials said."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2021/12/28/dc-virginia-maryland-ticket-reciprocity/

It should change, and it can change. There's already reciprocity for non-automated citations. I'm sure Maryland and Virginia elected officials want DC drivers in Maryland and Virginia to have to pay their automated citations. So there you go: reciprocity.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m middle class, I drive the SL so I don’t pay this stupidity tax. And enforcing speed limits IS about safety.

Drive the SL OP.

The problem is that speed cameras don't enforce speed limits, especially if you are a VA or MD driver. On the contrary, speed bumps actually enforce speed limits.

What a great argument for speed-camera reciprocity.

-Maryland resident

There is reciprocity between DC, MD, and VA, but only for tickets issued by police officers. The law doesn't allow reciprocity for speed cameras tickets.

Maryland and Virginia could enter into reciprocal agreements with DC, and should do so.

https://lims.dccouncil.gov/downloads/LIMS/47968/Introduction/RC24-0078-Introduction.pdf

Virginia And Maryland Rebuffed D.C.’s Request To Force Drivers To Pay Traffic Camera Tickets

https://dcist.com/story/21/10/08/virginia-and-maryland-rebuff-dc-request-to-force-drivers-to-pay-traffic-camera-tickets/#

Tickets written by police are subject to reciprocity under the Non-Resident Violators Compact, in which 44 states (including Maryland, Virginia, and D.C.) participate. But the automated ticket cameras are not included under those agreements.

Right. That needs to change.

It should change, but it will never change. That change would be a political harakiri for MD and VA politicians. "The District has hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of outstanding fines at stake, which could prove challenging for neighboring politicians who don’t want to appear to be doing the District’s bidding, city officials said."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2021/12/28/dc-virginia-maryland-ticket-reciprocity/

It should change, and it can change. There's already reciprocity for non-automated citations. I'm sure Maryland and Virginia elected officials want DC drivers in Maryland and Virginia to have to pay their automated citations. So there you go: reciprocity.

Isn't MD's camera fine like $40, while DC's is $125? No reason for reciprocity when the fines are so different. Not enough upside for MD.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m middle class, I drive the SL so I don’t pay this stupidity tax. And enforcing speed limits IS about safety.

Drive the SL OP.

The problem is that speed cameras don't enforce speed limits, especially if you are a VA or MD driver. On the contrary, speed bumps actually enforce speed limits.

What a great argument for speed-camera reciprocity.

-Maryland resident

There is reciprocity between DC, MD, and VA, but only for tickets issued by police officers. The law doesn't allow reciprocity for speed cameras tickets.

Maryland and Virginia could enter into reciprocal agreements with DC, and should do so.

https://lims.dccouncil.gov/downloads/LIMS/47968/Introduction/RC24-0078-Introduction.pdf

Virginia And Maryland Rebuffed D.C.’s Request To Force Drivers To Pay Traffic Camera Tickets

https://dcist.com/story/21/10/08/virginia-and-maryland-rebuff-dc-request-to-force-drivers-to-pay-traffic-camera-tickets/#

Tickets written by police are subject to reciprocity under the Non-Resident Violators Compact, in which 44 states (including Maryland, Virginia, and D.C.) participate. But the automated ticket cameras are not included under those agreements.

Right. That needs to change.

It should change, but it will never change. That change would be a political harakiri for MD and VA politicians. "The District has hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of outstanding fines at stake, which could prove challenging for neighboring politicians who don’t want to appear to be doing the District’s bidding, city officials said."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2021/12/28/dc-virginia-maryland-ticket-reciprocity/

It should change, and it can change. There's already reciprocity for non-automated citations. I'm sure Maryland and Virginia elected officials want DC drivers in Maryland and Virginia to have to pay their automated citations. So there you go: reciprocity.

Isn't MD's camera fine like $40, while DC's is $125? No reason for reciprocity when the fines are so different. Not enough upside for MD.

Are you serious? Yes, there is a reason for reciprocity. There are plenty of reasons for reciprocity. Maryland has exactly the same interest in stopping dangerous driving that DC has.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m middle class, I drive the SL so I don’t pay this stupidity tax. And enforcing speed limits IS about safety.

Drive the SL OP.

The problem is that speed cameras don't enforce speed limits, especially if you are a VA or MD driver. On the contrary, speed bumps actually enforce speed limits.

What a great argument for speed-camera reciprocity.

-Maryland resident

There is reciprocity between DC, MD, and VA, but only for tickets issued by police officers. The law doesn't allow reciprocity for speed cameras tickets.

Maryland and Virginia could enter into reciprocal agreements with DC, and should do so.

https://lims.dccouncil.gov/downloads/LIMS/47968/Introduction/RC24-0078-Introduction.pdf

Virginia And Maryland Rebuffed D.C.’s Request To Force Drivers To Pay Traffic Camera Tickets

https://dcist.com/story/21/10/08/virginia-and-maryland-rebuff-dc-request-to-force-drivers-to-pay-traffic-camera-tickets/#

Tickets written by police are subject to reciprocity under the Non-Resident Violators Compact, in which 44 states (including Maryland, Virginia, and D.C.) participate. But the automated ticket cameras are not included under those agreements.

Right. That needs to change.

It should change, but it will never change. That change would be a political harakiri for MD and VA politicians. "The District has hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of outstanding fines at stake, which could prove challenging for neighboring politicians who don’t want to appear to be doing the District’s bidding, city officials said."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2021/12/28/dc-virginia-maryland-ticket-reciprocity/

It should change, and it can change. There's already reciprocity for non-automated citations. I'm sure Maryland and Virginia elected officials want DC drivers in Maryland and Virginia to have to pay their automated citations. So there you go: reciprocity.

D.C. drivers do have to pay automated citations in Maryland and Virginia, so far as I know. (I've gotten a Maryland camera ticket and paid it, certainly.)

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Anonymous wrote:I’m middle class, I drive the SL so I don’t pay this stupidity tax. And enforcing speed limits IS about safety.

Drive the SL OP.

The problem is that speed cameras don't enforce speed limits, especially if you are a VA or MD driver. On the contrary, speed bumps actually enforce speed limits.

What a great argument for speed-camera reciprocity.

-Maryland resident

There is reciprocity between DC, MD, and VA, but only for tickets issued by police officers. The law doesn't allow reciprocity for speed cameras tickets.

Maryland and Virginia could enter into reciprocal agreements with DC, and should do so.

https://lims.dccouncil.gov/downloads/LIMS/47968/Introduction/RC24-0078-Introduction.pdf

Virginia And Maryland Rebuffed D.C.’s Request To Force Drivers To Pay Traffic Camera Tickets

https://dcist.com/story/21/10/08/virginia-and-maryland-rebuff-dc-request-to-force-drivers-to-pay-traffic-camera-tickets/#

Tickets written by police are subject to reciprocity under the Non-Resident Violators Compact, in which 44 states (including Maryland, Virginia, and D.C.) participate. But the automated ticket cameras are not included under those agreements.

Right. That needs to change.

It should change, but it will never change. That change would be a political harakiri for MD and VA politicians. "The District has hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of outstanding fines at stake, which could prove challenging for neighboring politicians who don’t want to appear to be doing the District’s bidding, city officials said."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2021/12/28/dc-virginia-maryland-ticket-reciprocity/

It should change, and it can change. There's already reciprocity for non-automated citations. I'm sure Maryland and Virginia elected officials want DC drivers in Maryland and Virginia to have to pay their automated citations. So there you go: reciprocity.

Isn't MD's camera fine like $40, while DC's is $125? No reason for reciprocity when the fines are so different. Not enough upside for MD.

Are you serious? Yes, there is a reason for reciprocity. There are plenty of reasons for reciprocity. Maryland has exactly the same interest in stopping dangerous driving that DC has.

Ok but then DC should have to chip in extra for the reciprocity since its tickets cost so much more. Why should DC collect $125 from MD drivers, while MD only collects $40 from DC drivers. I am glad MD refuses to go along with something like this.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m middle class, I drive the SL so I don’t pay this stupidity tax. And enforcing speed limits IS about safety.

Drive the SL OP.

The problem is that speed cameras don't enforce speed limits, especially if you are a VA or MD driver. On the contrary, speed bumps actually enforce speed limits.

What a great argument for speed-camera reciprocity.

-Maryland resident

There is reciprocity between DC, MD, and VA, but only for tickets issued by police officers. The law doesn't allow reciprocity for speed cameras tickets.

Maryland and Virginia could enter into reciprocal agreements with DC, and should do so.

https://lims.dccouncil.gov/downloads/LIMS/47968/Introduction/RC24-0078-Introduction.pdf

Virginia And Maryland Rebuffed D.C.’s Request To Force Drivers To Pay Traffic Camera Tickets

https://dcist.com/story/21/10/08/virginia-and-maryland-rebuff-dc-request-to-force-drivers-to-pay-traffic-camera-tickets/#

Tickets written by police are subject to reciprocity under the Non-Resident Violators Compact, in which 44 states (including Maryland, Virginia, and D.C.) participate. But the automated ticket cameras are not included under those agreements.

Right. That needs to change.

It should change, but it will never change. That change would be a political harakiri for MD and VA politicians. "The District has hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of outstanding fines at stake, which could prove challenging for neighboring politicians who don’t want to appear to be doing the District’s bidding, city officials said."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2021/12/28/dc-virginia-maryland-ticket-reciprocity/

It should change, and it can change. There's already reciprocity for non-automated citations. I'm sure Maryland and Virginia elected officials want DC drivers in Maryland and Virginia to have to pay their automated citations. So there you go: reciprocity.

Isn't MD's camera fine like $40, while DC's is $125? No reason for reciprocity when the fines are so different. Not enough upside for MD.

Are you serious? Yes, there is a reason for reciprocity. There are plenty of reasons for reciprocity. Maryland has exactly the same interest in stopping dangerous driving that DC has.

Ok but then DC should have to chip in extra for the reciprocity since its tickets cost so much more. Why should DC collect $125 from MD drivers, while MD only collects $40 from DC drivers. I am glad MD refuses to go along with something like this.

Because the Maryland drivers committed traffic infractions in DC.

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There’s zero incentive for reciprocity for the same reason none of the jurisdictions are focusing on ghost cars with fake temp tags. There also are multiple interested government actors with their own self-administered automated traffic enforcement: states, counties and municipalities.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s zero incentive for reciprocity for the same reason none of the jurisdictions are focusing on ghost cars with fake temp tags. There also are multiple interested government actors with their own self-administered automated traffic enforcement: states, counties and municipalities.

And that reason is...?

[Anonymous]

It's not clear to me why DC doesn't go gung-ho on booting and towing cars with tons of fines - especially if the car has MD or VA plates.

Take those cars to Blue Plains and have the drivers pay off their balance to get the car back. Can't pay? The vehicle goes up for auction.

The DC government is loath to actually enforce any of its traffic laws. That's why you're seeing traffic fatalities rise - bad drivers go unpunished and don't get their keys taken away.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not clear to me why DC doesn't go gung-ho on booting and towing cars with tons of fines - especially if the car has MD or VA plates.

Take those cars to Blue Plains and have the drivers pay off their balance to get the car back. Can't pay? The vehicle goes up for auction.

The DC government is loath to actually enforce any of its traffic laws. That's why you're seeing traffic fatalities rise - bad drivers go unpunished and don't get their keys taken away.

Correct. If you’re going to have cameras, you need to actually make sure people pay the tickets. Otherwise the deterrent effect is minimal, especially for the worst offenders. If DC was actually interested in safety, it would be taking more aggressive action to collect the money. I think DC is satisfied that there are enough people willing to pay obediently without any further action required by DC; thus the revenue maximization goal is achieved.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not clear to me why DC doesn't go gung-ho on booting and towing cars with tons of fines - especially if the car has MD or VA plates.

Take those cars to Blue Plains and have the drivers pay off their balance to get the car back. Can't pay? The vehicle goes up for auction.

The DC government is loath to actually enforce any of its traffic laws. That's why you're seeing traffic fatalities rise - bad drivers go unpunished and don't get their keys taken away.

up for auction.

The DC government is loath to actually enforce any of its traffic laws. That's why you're seeing traffic fatalities rise - bad drivers go unpunished and don't get their keys taken away.

The city does boot and tow some vehicles, but not nearly enough. A few factors inhibit the city from doing more booting and towing.

First, the number of boot and tow crews is minimal. And IIRC Bowser tried to cut them entirely during her budget proposal this year.

Booting efficacy is lowered by the fact that boots can easily be removed. Apparently there are people offering removal services for hire or the affected car owners can simply follow directions provided by YouTube videos and so forth.

Towing cars across DC to the impound lots takes forever - an hour or two round trip - and this limits the number of vehicles that can be impounded.

At some point, the impound lots were also full because the city was not being very efficient in disposing of them. This may be fixed now, but if not all vehicles are successfully auctioned it doesn’t take much for the backlog to fill the lot.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not clear to me why DC doesn't go gung-ho on booting and towing cars with tons of fines - especially if the car has MD or VA plates.

Take those cars to Blue Plains and have the drivers pay off their balance to get the car back. Can't pay? The vehicle goes up for auction.

The DC government is loath to actually enforce any of its traffic laws. That's why you're seeing traffic fatalities rise - bad drivers go unpunished and don't get their keys taken away.

The city does boot and tow some vehicles, but not nearly enough. A few factors inhibit the city from doing more booting and towing.

First, the number of boot and tow crews is minimal. And IIRC Bowser tried to cut them entirely during her budget proposal this year.

Booting efficacy is lowered by the fact that boots can easily be removed. Apparently there are people offering removal services for hire or the affected car owners can simply follow directions provided by YouTube videos and so forth.

Towing cars across DC to the impound lots takes forever - an hour or two round trip - and this limits the number of vehicles that can be impounded.

At some point, the impound lots were also full because the city was not being very efficient in disposing of them. This may be fixed now, but if not all vehicles are successfully auctioned it doesn’t take much for the backlog to fill the lot.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m middle class, I drive the SL so I don’t pay this stupidity tax. And enforcing speed limits IS about safety.

Drive the SL OP.

The problem is that speed cameras don't enforce speed limits, especially if you are a VA or MD driver. On the contrary, speed bumps actually enforce speed limits.

What a great argument for speed-camera reciprocity.

-Maryland resident

There is reciprocity between DC, MD, and VA, but only for tickets issued by police officers. The law doesn't allow reciprocity for speed cameras tickets.

Maryland and Virginia could enter into reciprocal agreements with DC, and should do so.

https://lims.dccouncil.gov/downloads/LIMS/47968/Introduction/RC24-0078-Introduction.pdf

Virginia And Maryland Rebuffed D.C.’s Request To Force Drivers To Pay Traffic Camera Tickets

https://dcist.com/story/21/10/08/virginia-and-maryland-rebuff-dc-request-to-force-drivers-to-pay-traffic-camera-tickets/#

Tickets written by police are subject to reciprocity under the Non-Resident Violators Compact, in which 44 states (including Maryland, Virginia, and D.C.) participate. But the automated ticket cameras are not included under those agreements.

Right. That needs to change.

It should change, but it will never change. That change would be a political harakiri for MD and VA politicians. "The District has hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of outstanding fines at stake, which could prove challenging for neighboring politicians who don’t want to appear to be doing the District’s bidding, city officials said."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2021/12/28/dc-virginia-maryland-ticket-reciprocity/

It should change, and it can change. There's already reciprocity for non-automated citations. I'm sure Maryland and Virginia elected officials want DC drivers in Maryland and Virginia to have to pay their automated citations. So there you go: reciprocity.

It won't change. It was already tried and rejected.

"Virginia And Maryland Rebuffed D.C.’s Request To Force Drivers To Pay Traffic Camera Tickets"

https://dcist.com/story/21/10/08/virginia-and...fic-camera-tickets/#

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Anonymous wrote:I’m middle class, I drive the SL so I don’t pay this stupidity tax. And enforcing speed limits IS about safety.

Drive the SL OP.

The problem is that speed cameras don't enforce speed limits, especially if you are a VA or MD driver. On the contrary, speed bumps actually enforce speed limits.

What a great argument for speed-camera reciprocity.

-Maryland resident

There is reciprocity between DC, MD, and VA, but only for tickets issued by police officers. The law doesn't allow reciprocity for speed cameras tickets.

Maryland and Virginia could enter into reciprocal agreements with DC, and should do so.

https://lims.dccouncil.gov/downloads/LIMS/47968/Introduction/RC24-0078-Introduction.pdf

Virginia And Maryland Rebuffed D.C.’s Request To Force Drivers To Pay Traffic Camera Tickets

https://dcist.com/story/21/10/08/virginia-and-maryland-rebuff-dc-request-to-force-drivers-to-pay-traffic-camera-tickets/#

Tickets written by police are subject to reciprocity under the Non-Resident Violators Compact, in which 44 states (including Maryland, Virginia, and D.C.) participate. But the automated ticket cameras are not included under those agreements.

Right. That needs to change.

It should change, but it will never change. That change would be a political harakiri for MD and VA politicians. "The District has hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of outstanding fines at stake, which could prove challenging for neighboring politicians who don’t want to appear to be doing the District’s bidding, city officials said."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2021/12/28/dc-virginia-maryland-ticket-reciprocity/

It should change, and it can change. There's already reciprocity for non-automated citations. I'm sure Maryland and Virginia elected officials want DC drivers in Maryland and Virginia to have to pay their automated citations. So there you go: reciprocity.

It won't change. It was already tried and rejected.

"Virginia And Maryland Rebuffed D.C.’s Request To Force Drivers To Pay Traffic Camera Tickets"

https://dcist.com/story/21/10/08/virginia-and...fic-camera-tickets/#

You might have noticed that Maryland has a different governor now.